Is it safe to say America won the Vietnam War?
No, the commies achieved their objective and the Americans ran away.
>>58786343
We completed all our objectives and because of the pressure inside U.S that we pulled out later.
>>58786377
So your objective was to kill a bunch of gooks then leave? Because you had no lasting impact on the outcome of the war.
Funny thing is you've just done the same thing in the middle east and now we have islamists running Libya and Egypt, IS in Syria and Iraq, Taliban growing again in Afghanistan.
Thailand always choose the most easily trigger topic so that other country will attack US of A.
so you do this just for the sake of (You) aren't ya?
Well they are a communist regime to this day so I'm going to go with no.
>>58786578
I may sound as a conspiranoid, but I think their objetive was to make money out of a war, also...
>>58786651
communism is dead in both china and vietnam, they just have a wierd type of capitalism with a comunist mythology
>>58786578
Oi, Libya was mostly you Eurozone fucks.
>>58785355
We lost the war but won the bigger war
>>58786343
I've had an American link me an article saying they won but the first sentence said America lost but it's okay since they destroyed the Vietnamese economy. Nam causes some serious asspain
>>58788274
>le mcdonalds = victory meme
Scoreboard ! Scoreboard !
>>58788694
by that logic we won, the kill ratio was like 30-1 plus not to mention the north killed a shit ton more people after they got into power than hey had a horrible famine that killed millions more.
>>58788324
>capitalism over communism isn't winning
>>58785355
Lol it's safer to swim in chernobyl
>>58786343
>the commies achieved their objective and the Americans ran away
No, the Americans ran away and the commies achieved their objective
>>58785355
First off, this thread belongs on /k/
Basically we were winning until public sentiment turned against the war.
We had sat down at the Paris Peace Talks, and promised the South military aid in case the North violated the treaty (which they inevitably would). However when the North invaded, congress had been steamrolled with anti-war members. President Ford tried to convince them in vain to approve military aid for South Vietnam, so remaining American forces had to evacuate.
>>58785355
It's a strange outcome, because even though the side that was backed by Russia and China ended up winning in Vietnam, that side quickly turned its back on Russia and China.
Vietnam is friendlier with the US now than its so-called "comrades" from back in the day.
>>58786578
DELETE THIS
Eisenhower doctrine
J U S T I F I E D
>>58785355
Technically, no.
The North was still communist, the South's government was unable to stand on its own, and the Soviet Union was not deterred from other proxy wars (Afghanistan).
The victory was that we managed to kill a shit-ton of people.
>we could have won, it was just hippies that forced us out
>we actually did win, it's not our fault the south lost after we pulled out
>we lost, but we inflicted so much damage on innocent people it's more embarrassing for Vietnam
Jesus fuck, get over it people. We lost. We did some awful shit while there that more than just hippies objected to.
>>58788274
We should have sent in Ronald first.
>>58786578
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords
WE WON BOYS! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
>>58788804
Vietnam was more nationalist than communist, it was never their objective to defeat McDonalds. By every measure, Vietnam completed their objectives while we didn't.
>>58788324
cucking them over 50 years = victory
>>58789979
thats not true, ho chi mein made certain the massacre all Vietnamese nationalists, infact he did so for the french for years. he was a communist through and through they even had quota executions.
>>58790223
You don't understand, there's a ton of overlap with third world nationalism and communism. He still looked up the American founding fathers and admired us.
Yes, pretty safe
Their communism really means nothing as far as when the Americans thought it was a threat.
>>58785355
I want to know what the story behind this picture is and what side it was supposed to be supporting.
>>58785355
not even vaguely. we're still way more offended by vietnam jokes than by 9/11 jokes.
>>58790385
pulp fiction
>>58786578
>So your objective was to kill a bunch of gooks then leave?
Yes. Is that a bad thing?
>>58790292
bullshit he said that but actions speak millions of times louder than words. our founding fathers didn't approve of quota executions, reduction camps, political oppression and closed borders.
>>58790659
>the founding fathers didn't approve of closed borders
Our borders were closed to everyone except a select few European countries for most of our history.
>>58785355
Y-Yes.
>>58786343
>>58786485
>>58788313
Ignore these posts.
>>58790723
i was refering to the fact that Ho chi mein closed to borders to stop people from leaving. freedom of travel is guaranteed by the constitutions.
>>58790825
Ok well Vietnam still won. They freed their nation from colonialism. All their interactions with the west are on consensual and mutually beneficial terms. They're steadily developing. Muh McDonalds is not an argument.
>>58790880
yes they freed they're nation from colonialism to an objectively worse government that eliminated political opposition lead by a guy who used to murder nationalists for he french who excuted hundreds of thousands of his people, and when the south seperated millions of people fled to the south before the borders finally closed then the North won killed millions of more people. worked people to death in new economic zones and was so bad hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese died at sea when they fled into the ocean on river boats to get away from the communists and after that then had terrible famines.
so yes they freed themselves from colonial rule just as Zimbabwe did.
>>58791420
True. Viet economy in the toilet today and Ho Chi Minh keeps oppressing the white population.
Meanwhile Thailand is Western, modern and democratic.
Beacon of light. Beacon of light.
>>58786578
That was literally the plan.
>>58791420
Could you make your incoherent rambling any less historically accurate please?
>>58791980
what did i say that was false?
>>58792066
Your comparison to Zimbabwe was just retarded.
>>58792113
fine, but North Vietnam was still shit and ho chi mein was a wolf in sheeps clothing and one of the biggest dindu nuffins in history.
>>58791652
>Military dictatorship
>Democratic
wew lad
Also what happened to her she was qt but wasn't she corrupt or something and she was ousted and now there's a military dictatorship
>>58792185
That's not what being debated. They still won the Vietnam war. We left and they took over. End of story
South Vietnam lost the Vietnam War.
>>58792211
Democracy is inherently corrupt.
Military government superior.
>>58792567
t. Prayut Chan-o-cha
>>58792211
I don't blame the military for taking control to be honest. The king is on his deathbed and has brain fluid drained daily to keep him alive.
All while this is happening his son and daughter are fighting over who's going to take the throne, and the US and China have staked their own opposite positions on the matter.
It was shocking to find that most thai know nothing about any of this.
But it primarily annoys me that the US keeps putting out negative propaganda to put pressure on the country; like "slavery" in the farming industry, which is a huge con because of how the farms have set up foreign workers to try and get around the military kicking out half a million illegals.
>>58792567
how easy is it to pick up thai girls without having to pay them.
>>58792567
Meanwhile the yellow shirts are wishing Thaksin was back
K E K
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>>58786578
>>So your objective was to kill a bunch of gooks then leave?
uhh
yeah?
the entire point was to weaken communism there and it worked
do you retards realize the alternative to 'lol USA lost!' was world war 3? We withdraw because China was threatening to join the war.
>>58792819
yeah, but anything is better than China, honestly. China has their own problems with their economy stagnating, increasing hatred of the government, and cultural divisions and rapidly trying to fuck over other countries and buy land, so maybe we're doing them a favor.
>>58792344
Who said they didn't win the war? You said Vietnam wasn't communist
>you will never jump off the skids of a huey into a hot LZ while the doorgunners spray the tree line with their m60s
>>58788179
>communism is dead in both china and vietnam, they just have a wierd type of capitalism with a comunist mythology
You seem to think communism is just economics.
And also, they were both full blown commies economically into the 80's. They changed to state capitalism on their own accord.
>>58793093
Good
Dying for you country should be done by the expendable members of society
>>58788804
>one mcdonalds store is capitalism
>>58789999
After 50 years*
How is it cucked to become richer?
>>58793056
No. I said they were more nationalist than communist. These are not mutually exclusive categories. Third world nationalists are often left wing because they see globalization as destroying their culture. And are you really this retarded? Read the OP. That's at least one person who said they didn't win the war.
>>58788324
>le fuck off back to le you know where
IT
AIN'T
ME
>>58793169
Didn't say anything about dying senpai. The point is to kill the other guy first.
>>58789115
>It's a strange outcome, because even though the side that was backed by Russia and China ended up winning in Vietnam, that side quickly turned its back on Russia and China.
Not on Russia. They are practically allies even today.
Also, China stopped helping them in 1968 with the Sino-Soviet split worsening. Vietnam was a Soviet puppet at the time.
>Vietnam is friendlier with the US now than its so-called "comrades" from back in the day.
No. It is friendlier with Russia than us.
The VCP even in 1966 at the height of Sino support, disliked China.
>>58790292
>He still looked up the American founding fathers and admired us.
Bullshit alarm is ringing
Also, HCM died in the late 60's. He wasn't the one that finished the war.
>>58790582
Well, yes it is.
>>58790723
Wew lad
>>58786578
Tbqh it was our plan all along to destabilize the Middle East and flood your countries with Muslims lmao
No refugees for us
>>58790880
>All their interactions with the west are on consensual and mutually beneficial terms.
Not until the 2000's, and even now that's solely because of China being an existential threat to them.
>They're steadily developing.
Not until the 90's. And even today it's a total shithole.
>>58791652
Nice bait dickboy
>>58791762
No. It literally was not.
>>58792974
Maybe, China tried to buy up all the land in Thailand, just like every other country around the world. Thailand is like their mexico though, and many thai have chinese ancestors. 30Million chinese people vacation in the country every year, bringing in a ton of money.
I don't think either country has anything but their own interests at heart. It does pain me that the US under Obama has almost destroyed the relationship the countries have with eachother, as Thailand has always considered the USA an ally. They can't ignore China either though.
>>58792113
Vietnam is only 3x richer than Zimbabwe.
Let that sink in a little.
>>58792211
Better for them than democracy DESU
>>58792974
>yeah, but anything is better than China, honestly.
Wrong.
>China has their own problems with their economy stagnating,
????????
>increasing hatred of the government, and cultural divisions
???????????
Compared to the past China is way more stable today.
>and rapidly trying to fuck over other countries and buy land,
Which ones exactly? Buy is the keyword. They buy. We conquered the countries China buys from.
>so maybe we're doing them a favor.
No. We are currently not. We have sanctions on them.
There's only 8 Maccas in viet and they're ALL in the south. Compare that to how many Vietnamese restaurants there are in America. Who REALLY won the cultural victory?
>>58793184
So if they were against globalization doesn't McDonalds mean Vietnam didn't win in the end
i dont get it. why didnt the americans fund capitalist guerrillas in south vietnam? thats what the commies did. vietnam would probably have a rich capitalist south today and a shittier semi-communist north (like korea)
>>58793564
NAM'd
>>58793201
I sincerely apologize. Fuck reddit.
But my point is valid. A McDonald's in Hanoi is as meaningless as the local Communist Party organization in Washington DC.
>>58793390
No it was not, but we rolled with it. The side effects were marvelous in weakening the EU.
>>58793564
>country is so shit thousands flee to avoid being murdered
>a good thing
>>58793596
Are you actually equating one (1) McDonland's in 2016 to a loss for Vietnam in 1975?
>>58793715
The anon he responded to was saying we won because there's a McDonalds in Hanoi.
So the ausfag used that logic to point out the 3,000 Viet restaraunts in America.
>>58793715
That's completely irrelevant to my post
>>58793755
I don't even think there is one on Hanoi, they're all in Ho Chi Minh as far as I know. I've been to both cities but that was a few years ago
>>58793727
Yes their vision of the country collapsed to American capitalism and globalism
>>58793551
>Communist dictatorship
>Better than the US
>http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-economic-growth-slows-to-6-9-on-year-in-2015-1453169398
>Tibetan genocide, repressing religious freedom, especially Christian and Tibetan Buhddism, and Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China, free speech repressed, pathetic military that's ill-equipped yet constantly trying to expand their territory and drawing new borders, and completely wiping out their original culture and language and replacing it with communism and simplification.
>"Stable"
Fuck off Bernie, China was ruined because of the current Chinese incarnation, and defending it is beyond fucking retarded, honestly. Stop acting like China is some sort of benevolent rising super power with a few faults. It's a doomed dictatorship that shouldn't be defended at all. Not saying our country is "good", but it's way better than that.
>>58786578
>Libya
That's rich, coming from you.
>>58785355
I'm as Patriotic as they come, but yeah we kinda lost that one. I wasn't a sweeping loss, but a loss all the same.
>>58793937
Hmm, i've got to disagree on the whole tibet thing. That country was a shit hole where the entire population was oppressed by the precious dalai lama and his minions. China literally liberated the people from some of the most brutal dictators in history. They fucking skinned people alive in Tibet, and had some of the most advanced torture devices the world ever saw.
That's probably the only thing china has ever done as a country that i can support morally.
>>58793134
>1,100,00 Dead NVA
More than a few hundred
>>58793390
>No refugees for us
Only if Trump wins. It's all over if the witch gets in office
>>58794043
Okay, you got me. I fell for it lmao. You lost me at that one though, besides that one you did good.
>>58785355
please, not this again
