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>>58295516
first for france
>>58295516
Let's all do our best to be nice in this thread.
kacho on
>>58295566
First for Swe…………oh, wait
Reposting from last thread
For all the nihonjin in this thread:
1. How did you first discover 4chan and /int/?
2. What are the main reasons you post here?
3. Do you think your English has improved from posting here?
Thanks! I'm just a little curious tbqh, nothing more.
>>58295588
Do you play old games?
>>58295611
it's actually my first first post in one of those thread
>>58295516
乙
>>58295516
Sausage please
>>58295580
Nice threads are the best threads!
>>58295703
Yui is cute as always
>>58295660
yes. I actually visited that place when I was in Korea.
They don't have many old games anymore and sell sausage outside lel.
I like to play super nintendo and gameboy
>>58295698
http://sakura-hotel-ikebukuro.com/blog/2014/11/
>>58295738
These days children don't even know what gameboy is
I feel I'm old
>>58295660
I play lots of old RPGs.
Usually western ones though.
>>58295653
im Japanese.
1. from Japanese translated thread.
2. improve English
3. little bit, but i confirmed english speaker don't try understanding others.
These fucking doujins, dude. Just how silly this kind of thing sounds to a native speaker? I can say with confidence that I would rather jump out of a window, than read lewds translated to portuguese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ9we6xDvWQ
>>58295837
Please tell me some good British games
Old ones please
Obama is planning on visiting Hiroshima after the G7. I'm interested to see what happens desu
>>58295518
I heard of there being a English futaba-like website called 4chan and I thought I give it a shot to observe how meme works in overseas mechanism.
Finding /int/ and Japanese threads were not hard. I just clicked the link.
>>58295792
I grew up with only a gameboy color.
Every time I take a dump I play Tetris on it
English make thinking easily but also make thinking cheap.
>>58295910
>good British games
Don't do this to me, anon.
It'd be like asking Finland for their top 10 film list.
>>58295516
otu
>>58295984
This.
>>58295869
>silly
that's pretty tame tbph
>>58295855
>1. from Japanese translated thread.
Why anybody would bother to translate shitposts?
>>58295985
>Many major video game franchises are developed in the UK, includingGrand Theft Auto,Tomb Raider,Burnout,LittleBigPlanet,WipeoutandDirt.
GTA is bretty good
>>58295946
He should eat glorious Hiroshima style Okonomiyaki not Osaka style one
>>58296130
Osaka > Gayroshima nukeonomiyaki
>>58295985
w-what? s-sorry…………
Then, what game does British children play?
American game? Finnish game?
>>58295946
nothing good can come from meeting with 4chan's new admin
ようやく週末が来た!今日は何するんですか?
僕はもちろん彼女とデートする予定
>>58295956
How different would you say board culture/memes are here compared to futaba?
From my limited experience (since I'm pretty monolingual), internet culture seems to function surprisingly similar around the world, regardless of the nationality of the posters. I guess that might not make total sense, though, and I'm not anywhere close to being an authority.
>>58296336
仕事で疲れたからマッサージに行きたい
それから美味いものを食いたい……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbqNNN4XmGs
I want to see papa franku fuck max
>>58295985
Top 10 is harsh but Aki Kaurismäki films are good in general, I liked Ariel in particular.
As for bong games, Legacy of Kain series maybe?
>>58296211
American and Japanese.
Though there's one legendary British game, which might be one of the most influential games ever made.
It's called Elite. The British also made Lemmings, which is a good game.
>>58295946
Probably trying to spread jewish influence to Japan. Can't wait until he's thrown out of the white house.
>>58296469
>one of the most influential games ever made.
>It's called Elite.
>>58296381
I really want a massage.
whenever I try to massage my traps myself I get the biggest urge to visit a masseuse
>>58296211
I'd say 90% of the games westerners play are either American or Japanese. And before the Xbox came out and PC gaming became mainstream, it was probably more like 75% Japanese. Kids really liked their Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo, and Playstation back in the day.
>>58296550
How is Elite not influential and a technical achievement?
Keep in mind it was designed for a cheap educational piece of shit computer, too.
Also Tomb Raider was a good series. Was.
オッス!
>>58296626
メッス!
time to forget asia , they only like white males
>>58296596
That didn't really apply to the Brits, most of the time.
They loved their shitty cassette games.
>>58296596
Japanese kids playing Super Mario, Pokemon, FF, Doragon quest, some other nintendo games(animal crossing, kirby)
Does western kids play these game?
>>58296357
As you say I hold that it's rather hard to differentiate both board cultures, but I feel the ethos in 4chan is more similar to 2ch than futaba.
>>58296798
>he never bought shitty cassette games from a Cash Converters or from the back of a white van at the market
normies please go
>>58296872
you'd be surprised how many people find those series the pinnacle of video games
>>58296872
The Dragon Quest games have always sold pretty poorly in the West.
They loved the rest, though.
>>58296211
>Then, what game does British children play?
Pretty much almost exactly what American children play, which is 80% American games.
Even normies will consider you a turbocasual if you touch something like a Mario or Pokemon game these days.
>>58296872
>dragon quest
They're literally who tier in the west, no one's ever heard of them. Pokemon and Mario aren't really that popular anymore either, although a lot of people growing up in the 1990s played them.
俺は一人でシックスフラッグに行ってくるぜー!
一人遊園地最高ー!
>>58296381
マッサージいいな
僕も彼女からマッサージしてもらおうかな
edge (⊿-mix) is an enjoyable song.
>>58296936
>>58296995
But Dragon quest is as good as Mario, Pokemon
>>58297033
Perfume?!??!?
>>58297033
the triangle album and perfume best are perfume's goat
>>58296758
>>58297051
Never said it wasn't good. I love DQ.
They just didn't sell well. It's probably because DQ1 and FF1 came out so close to each other here that kids didn't bother with DQ1 because it was too simple.
>>58297051
>>58297110
In fact, if you want to know how badly it sold, Nintendo even GAVE Dragon Quest to people by mailing it to them for free.
>>58296872
Kids these days still play Pokémon, Mario, and other Nintendo games, though they're less popular then they used to be. FPS's like Call of Duty and Halo are common too, in addition to PC games like Minecraft and TF2.
>>58297110
it might've been toriyama's art too. when I was a wee lad I remember the box art unappealing and a 'dragon ball' rip off or something like that
>>58297228
It's because western children are scared of dragons.
>>58297228
Well Toriyama's art didn't really show up in the West until the Monsters games on Gameboy, and that's only because of fan requests on the Internet.
Personally, I always thought we got shafted with the box art.
>>58297269
spiro used to be popular back then though
>>58297086
I only listen to the best.
>>58297093
I've had no issue with their albums post-GAME
>>58297311
Spiro is a silly cartoon dragon, doesn't really count.
Proper dragons, like in >>58297282 are terrifying for western children.
>>58297311
spyro*
>>58297313
I haven't either, but those two albums are what I listen to most
>>58297282
Some Western box art looks interesting
Like megaman, kirby, Pokemon RBY
They changed it more ………manly? less childish
>>58297219
Skylanders is also really fucking popular, as well.
>>58295946
I've stood there
top kek JAPAN BTFO
>>58297282
このパッケージじゃ売れない・・・
>>58297501
海外の児童書の表紙って感じだ
ファンタジーみたいな
>>58297448
Westerners, particularly Americans, aren't as in to kawaii stuff as Japan. Instead, they want to be cool and badass. So marketers change the boxart to fit those preferences.
>>58297544
He looks angry in American ver
>>58297455
Please don't mention that abomination.
>>58297544
>an agry fat blob trying to be badass
The perfect self-insert for American children.
ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグさんは海外で人気?
>>58297530
竜王に鳥山明独特の愛嬌があるわけでもなく、かといって迫力があるわけでもなく
エニックスは本気で売る気はなかったんだろうな。
ウルティマFC版みたいなもんかね
>>58297671
イギリス人が好き
何故かはわからない
>>58297671
はい、凄く
>>58297671
It's become a symbol of autism along with minecraft. I guess that means yes.
>>58297617
Yep. That's so he looks serious, and therefore cool.
>>58297732
>he looks serious
>therefore cool.
wtf!?
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
it's not kirby
>>58297790
Keep in mind that marketing is probably handled by people who don't play video games most of the time.
>>58297790
You're right. People here find it strange too, which is why the differences between the American and Japanese boxart are pointed frequently here. It's kind of funny desu
>>58297732
For me, kirby=always smiling, happy
Cultural differences are so funny and interesting
Toriyama's art has never been my cup of tea since I was a child.
But being surrounded by many DB and DQ fanboys, I wasn't really able to confess it out loud.
Also there was a chance kids start regarding me as that guy who thinks it's cool to show his defiance toward popular things.
>>58297867
>that guy who thinks it's cool to show his defiance toward popular things.
lel
small world
>>58297851
>>58297816
i see.
westerner don' play japnase video game
>>58297867
自分の道を行け
自分は年代的にはDB見てない人の方が多かったし何も言われたことないな
>>58297816
>>58297851
Your typical adult here doesn't play video games outside of CoD, Madden, and The Sims, though that's changing. Younger adults are getting to be pretty familiar with Japanese video games, though I'm not sure that's going to change the way they market Kirby and stuff.
>>58297671
His games are well known for how awful they've been in the last decade.
>>58298111
Adventure was a mistake.
>>58298081
I assumed we were mostly talking retro here, but that's true I guess.
With that being said, if Nintendo wasn't retarded with their anti-religion policies and we had Megami Tensei here, I would've been all over it as a child.
>>58298013
鳥山って80年代でいったん終わった感がある。
ドラクエ3の作画あたりが一つの境目。
で、懐かしゲームの話はあれか、昨日のシュガーラッシュの余韻かなんかか
>>58298175
Sorry, I didn't mean to quote you lol. I guess what you and I said still stands, though.
>>58297948
It's annoying when you don't even intend to make yourself look ,more cool or mature than others by saying a stuff like that, some people think you do.
>>58298282
>>58298282
that always bothered me too so now i just keep my opinion to myself until i get asked.
今日も、酔っております!
>>58298529
名前を付けて忘れてた!
いつもの博士です
>>58298404
Glad to see Sakanakun finally got zuned...at the cost of losing his longtime friend.
>>58298529
それでこそイタリア人
>>58298529
i heard it's impossible to get a boner while drunk.
is this true? i've only been drunk once
>>58298612
????????
How would drunk people fuck, then?
>>58298529
イタリア人はどんな酒飲むの?
今度はイタリア抜きでやろうぜ
>>58298638
fuck if i know
i always thought the woman would be the only one actually intoxicated in those situations
>>58298612
It's perfectly possible.
What you're referring to is a phenomenon refferred to as "Whiskey dick", which is caused by the way alchohol lowers blood pressure, which makes things like achieving an erection harder, but not impossible.
>>58298652
今度はビール
でも私のいつも飲んでいる酒は96%アルコールです
日本語の名前を知らないけど
>>58298767
酔った女性に手を出すとあとでしんどいぜ(・∀・)
>>58298901
>96%アルコール
ほぼ消毒液やないかい…
もう少し軽いのにしとかなといざってときに
B-dashの途中で吐いたり、
クリボーに引っかかったりするぜ
そんな千鳥足のマリオなんて
>>58298901
スピリタス?
>>58298901
interesting
>>58298938
just wait until she falls asleep
>>58299155
よし、じゃぁどんな風になるかためしてみよう。
今日、午後7時に集合な。集合場所はどこにしようか。カナダと日本の中間でイースター島に集合で。
>>58299312
who's bringing the girl?
>>58299038
すいません、このレスの全てを意味わかんない
>>58299055
そう
96%アルコールが普通に料理とかに使用されてるけど、飲むのがも可能です
他の酒より速く酔えるから、私の好みです
>>58298529
毎日日本語を練習しにここへ帰る
Is this right? I feel like there's something incorrect here.
>>58299403
>the girl
忘れてたorz
ここ、ホモのスレだから
>>58299414
おれなら3%でもキツイのに96%って
>友達がいないの気分
*cringes*
>>58299516
あなたは韓国の女の子ですか?
>>58299452
△。
not good but not bad.
>毎日日本語を練習しにここへ帰る
言いたいことはわかるよ。だから間違いじゃない。
>毎日日本語を練習しにここに来る
のほうが自然かな。
>>58299414
俺も早く酔うために度数の高い酒を飲むことがある
ポーランドの酒ならズブロッカのほうが好き
>tfw I'm not a happy sumo wrestler...
>>58299456
>酔った女性に手を出すとあとでしんどいぜ(・∀・)
>忘れてたorz
mr. policeman, this homo rapist desu.
>>58299529
>*cringes*
It is your self-introduction
>>58299468
日本人って酒に弱いだな、遺伝学的に
私には、ビールなら、酔うまで1.5L以上が必要です
>>58299569
ウオッカだな
味が好きですけど、バーボンの方が好きです
>>58295886
>do you think you're better off alone?
a lifetime of experience says yes.
>Westerners, particularly Americans
Don't pretend Americans are civilized as Europeans. European packages are more artistic.
>>58299646
wwwwwwww
良い切り返しだww
>>58299602
>blonde blue eyed swede
>the face of japan
wut
authority strictly prohibits archaeologists from researching the tombs of ancient emperors,
in order that a problem "whence ancestors of the emperor came" may never be revealed.
It seems to be an inconvenient fact to them that there was the "Korean Conquest" in Japan
like as the Norman Conquest in England, and that the first Emperor Jinmu came from Korea
and he on horseback conquered proto-Japanese tribes, therefore became a King.
>>58299674
日本人はインディアンと同じでアルコールを分解する機能が低いらしい
>>58299674
96%なら、じゃほとんど一発で酔えるのじゃないか?
ちょっとつまんない?
>tfw you want to shitpost but you don't speak moon
Keine Zukunft fur das Volk, das seiner
geschichtlichen Schuld vergessen hat
>>58299692
>Don't pretend Americans are civilized as Europeans
>European packages are more artistic
lel calm down it's just video games. and I made a distinction between them in that post anyway.
>>58299650
for you
ていうか、日本人はスピリタスは無理。
一発で足とられる。目がちかちかするし。
>>58299732
うらやましいですね
少しで酔える能力が欲しい
>>58299739
2-3発で酔える
一人で飲むから、度数低いのアルコールのほうがつまんない
ただ、速くに酔いたい
>>58299742
Knowing Japanese as a foreigner is the best because Japanese people will shower you with compliments just for being able to utter simple words.
And when you reach a level where you can actually hold a conversation, you will always have everyone's undivided attention because WOAH HE'S A FOREIGNER BUT HE CAN SPEAK JAPANESE?!!!?
>>58299832
GOOD!!
thank you brother
>>58299722
Almost every 1st settlers/conquerors which have known histories that have survived antiquity, have creation/origin stories that declare them the first people that came out of nowhere and belong there with essentially a divine right. It's a worldwide phenomena. Universal to a species of stupid impressionable apes easily impressed by such tales and willing to fight to the death to defend their dumbass myths and ideologies. This is a thoroughly predictable, pitiful species.
>>58299876
das rayciss
>>58299893
On their part, yes, it sure is
水割りをください
Japs, is there any National Rifle Association equivalent or any gun advocate organizations over there? Is there any HEMA vs Nippon sword fightan competitions going on over there?
Hello I'm new here.
Do you think it's creepy to like female Japanese football players as a foreigner?
>>58299939
なみだのオカズだけ
>>58299939
水で酒の味を汚すことを許さない
>>58299994
薄めないと死んじゃうから仕方がない
>>58299994
おいしい水は酒の味を汚さない!!(｀・ω・´)
最近はハイボールばかり飲んでる
>>58299942
i think the closest you get to gun advocates are "survival game" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDXkVz18_2w) players and military otaku
>>58299968
Not at all
>>58299843
>一人で飲むから、度数低いのアルコールのほうがつまんない
なるほどね、そうすれば確かに強い酒のほうはマシだな
でも友達と一緒なら、やっぱり逆だ
酒税ほんま死んで欲しい
>>58300043
ならいい
>>58300049
正直に焼酎なら水割りが嫌いじゃない
でも他の酒の水割りが。。。だめですね
>>58300080
そうですね
>>58300080
ブラジルてイタリア語通じるの?
全く関係ない質問なんだが
>>58299561
>not good but not bad
A better way to say this would be, "not bad but also not great".
great>good>okay>bad
>>58299942
Japan is slightly less stupid than that anon.
If they are attacked, they don't need a hundred million half drunk hicks and niggers aiming peashooters every which way.
They will simply allow the giant war machines to emerge from below the floors of every industrial building across the land, and rain down holy robotic nuclear biological terror upon the world. Japan will have its vengeance.
When your population is confined to an island, an unlimited number of dopes running around with small arms going nuts is neither necessary nor desirable.
>>58300148
焼酎こそ割らずに飲まなきゃ。
水割りはウイスキー
あよ
イタリアといえばワインの印象
>>58300200
thank you
勉強になるなぁ
>>58299565
this
i dont understand the obsession and i'd be finished if i ever went there
i have enough of a hard time fitting in where i live, i'd die if i tried fitting in somewhere so different
>>58300232
だよな。それは俺もそう思う。
I ate so many tacos about four hours ago and I'm still so full I can barely move.
>>58300150
ほとんど通じる
ラテン語から進化した国語が全部似ている
読めば、大体の意味を分かれる
>>58300222
もったいないけどね。。。
そんな濃い味を水で弱めるなんて
>>58300232
酔うための飲み物より、ここがワインが飯とあわせて飲む
How much do Japs want gaijin to correct their English in these threads? I'm willing to point out errors, but I don't want to be rude or anything.
>>58300347
Isn't that mostly why they come here?
>>58300321
ドイツ語だけなんで全然違うの?
I hate Americans
>>58300321
>ラテン語から進化した国語が全部似ている
フランス語とイタリア語似てないじゃん
ようしらんけど
>>58300418
me too
>>58300368
Yeah, but it would feel weird to just go through each post and make corrections on each one, unless they want us to do that.
>>58300418
Sucks to be you, Ahmed.
>>58300321
イタリア・スペイン・ポルトガルが似てる印象
Well just wait until they ask if their English is ok then.
>>58300393
ドイツ、オランダ、北欧はインドヨーロッパ語のゲルマン語じゃない?
ラテン語派生じゃないよ
I like japan
>>58300484
post was meant for >>58300436
>>58300393
ラテン語から進化してないから?
北のほうの国の国語が別の原因を持っています
>>58300489の言うとおりです
>>58300425
フランス語を読めばほとんどの意味をつかむ気がする
一度もフランス語を勉強したことないのに
外から全然似てないけど、形や「音」が似ているから、理解できる
>>58300469
そのとおり
>>58300531
lmao weeb
>>58300463
mett
>>58300418
You think you do, try being from here, being surrounded by them, all day, everywhere you go.
They wonder why half the country is suicidal and on antidepressants just to make it through the day.
>>58300591
What state do you live in? It matters.
America fuck yeah XD
>>58300553
>形や「音」が似ているから
俺が聞く限り、イタリア語とフランス語全然音似てないような気がするんだが、そんなもんなのか。
イタリア語は語尾がはっきりしてる感じ、フランス語は鼻にかけて発音する感じに聞こえる
>>58300469
ということは、金平糖、パエリヤ、ピザなんかの単語はイタリア人にも通じるということだね?
>>58300553
英語の語順は日本語と全然違うけど、まだ形容詞の後に名詞が来るから理解できる。
ラテン語系は名詞の後に形容詞が来るからすごく不思議な感じがする。
>>58300553
/luso/に行けば、君が何%くらいわかると思う?
いつお教会に行くですか?
Is this sentence correct?
>>58300553
翻訳してるのはエロ同人だけ?
商業エロまんがは翻訳しないの?
>>58300758
いつ教会に行きますか
>>58300664
まぁ、私の言ってた「音」の意味が発音より、言葉の形の話だった
たとえば、イタリア語で「車」が「Vettura」。フランス語で「Voiteur]。
見るだけで意味が同じだと分かっている
>>58300756
60%かな
>>58300635
States I've lived in: Wisconsin, California, Texas, Florida, Colorado, Mass, Oregon. Also Ontario, Mexico, Zurich, Rome, San Vincenzo, and Paris.
That's why.
>春眠、暁を覚えず
というか、起きたらもう昼だった
>>58300797
ありがとうございます
>>58300887
メキシコ君はキリスト教徒なの?
>>58300868
fuck off normie
>>58300793
お客を頼んでいる作品を翻訳しています
結局、同人か商業か私には違いがない
どっちも翻訳をしたことある
>>58300811
>見るだけで意味が同じだと分かっている
すげー。さすがイタリア。
panzerlied
>>58300936
>お客を頼んでいる作品
お客が頼んでいる作品*
>>58300868
Who the fuck moves that often. Also Texans are nice as fuck. Ever consider you're the problem?
>>58300936
>お客を頼んでいる作品を翻訳しています
え?翻訳者のか?
>>58300936
ちょっとした素朴な疑問なんだけど海外のオタクたちはけっこう日本のエロまんがを読んでるものなんだろうか
>>58301054
そう
イタリアでは母子相姦もののエロが人気のはずだ
how can a woman be so perfect
>>58301108
なんだ、その決め付けはww
>>58301108
イタリア映画といえば、女性家庭教師となにをする少年の話の映画が多いイメージ。
>>58301087
ExhentaiやFakkuのようなサイトのお陰でね
ただですから、もし外人は日本人よりH本を読んでいるかな
>>58301108
何で?
>>58301155
ここが家庭教師が少ない
それと、家庭教師が女性よりいつも男性です
>>58301155
ラウラ・アントネッリ主演のエロ映画があったな
メーテルの声優が声当ててて興奮した
>>58301100
それは凄いな
道理で日本語がそんなに上手い
いつから翻訳者として働いていると聞いてもいい?
我々韓国人は日本人より強い人間たちです。
>>58301207
最近もイタリア映画って、なにかとおっぱい出てくるの?
>>58301274
いや日本人のほうが強いね
韓国人は釜山がちょっと揺れただけで大騒ぎじゃないかww
>>58301274
あなたは私の恋人であることしたいですか?
>>58301219
>メーテルの声優が声当ててて
オードリー・ヘプバーンもあの人だよな。
>>58301340
おめぇが黙っていろ。俺たち韓国人はゴミ虫みたいな日本人をみんなぶっ殺すぞ。
>>58301274
性欲が?
>>58301364
そうそう
たしか池田昌子さんといったはず
>>58301400
どうした韓弧苦
キャラ違ってるぞ
>>58301400
한국사람보다 약한 사람들이 있나?
>>58301404
いっぱいある
ってか韓国人女性のまんこは日本人女性より綺麗で変な匂いをしない。
よく分からないけど日本人女性の方がちょっと汚い。
>>58301413
綾鷹のなれーしょんの人か!!
えらく艶っぽい声の家庭教師になるな
>>58301442
ちがう、あいつはもう精神をのっとられている。
>now that trip is off I may be mistaken for a rude American
>>58301446
사실 나는 한국사람말고 미국사람이에요 ㅋㅋ
>>58301446
역사상 어느나라에도 이길 수 없었던나라 ㅋㅋㅋ
>>58301481
아이고
>>58301450
おれが見た映画ではエロい家政婦だった
ㅋㅋㅋ
>>58301473
韓狐苦の第二形態か
>>58300321
日本、中国、台湾、澳門、シンガポール…漢字圏の人間が漢字で会話通じるようなもんか。
>>58301448
>女性のまんこ
これは韓孤苦じゃないな
>>58301477
i bet you're that peropero fag
you've always been worse than a rude american
>>58301473
また親父とケンカでもしたのかね
>>58301442
>弧
こっちだったっけ?
>>58301550
なんか見た気がする。
家主が太ったおっさんで、家政婦とあれをしている最中に死んじゃうというのしか覚えてないが。
>>58301585
北京か上海から来た観光客と漢字で筆談した事あるけど、思ったよりも通じなくてびっくりした
>>58301585
せれは知ってない
あんな国の言葉を読めば分かってますか?
>>58301630
たぶんそれであってると思う
