Americans made Japan great, developed, free of imperialism and communism but they plunged their SA neighbours into coups, revolutions and drugs. Why?
Americans are assholes like that.
>>58166254
because japan was useful, and needed it to be healthy as a bassal in the pacific to contain ussr
latam countries were never really in danger of falling to commie shit. except, as a reactionary movement vs usa interventionism. like cuba. the turth is this american attitude toward latam comes from before the cold war, its called monroe doctrine, manifest destiny and some other manifestos in which youll find amerishits think they were chosen by god to rule the whole americas. thats why they specially love to pick on latam
>>58166461
I think it's because SE/E Asia is predisposed to being a wet shithole. Japan and S.Korea are the only non-batshit crazy cultures down there and that's because they've been westernized.
>>58166254
what ? russia did you eat cocaine burgers ?
Japs success is 99% due to Japan and 1% due to external factors.
Americans act like their actions completely changed the country from being shit to being great. It's just stupid
>>58166254
japan was a great power in the first place.
had it not been for the ww2 shit, japan would've already been a galactic empire.
>>58166619
You forget about ANGLO'd patrs of China.
>>58166254
Amerina didn't made Japan as great country. As another Japanese says, Japan was enough great before america helped. People are miss understand too much about Japanese history.
>S. Korea
>Thinks gooks aren't batshit crazy
>>58167150
Japan lacked industrial output capability which could only be further enhanced by geographic expansion and subordination from non-Japanese people.
Unlike in the USA, where (at that time) a little under 3 million lived, there was vast industrial capacity available to facilitate the economic power it required to become a superstate.
The Japan-USA war was lost from the start due to the USA's superior industrial output power.
They try to go communist every decade and fuck themselves up
>>58166591
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Whatever u say, History and statically data says all, that Japan had great potential before WW2. Actually better use bit your brain, how Japanese could proceed WW2? Without enough technology and confident they couldn't it so.
>>58171972
Those retards still wouldn't have electricity if it weren't for us
>>58172027
you where not the only ones influencing and opening up japan to westernisation, infact you where a minor factor compared to British and French medling during the meiji restoration.
Don't be so full of yourself
>>58172027
Some American have too much confident to own country. U.S is great country but not so much than they wish. almost Nobel award holder of U.S are foreigner origin.
Japanese archived by themselves.
Anyways talking about JApanese success require many point of view. But at-least, Americans are not so important factor to development of Japan than many people's believe.
>>58172174
yes it is. U have more cool view and educated.
>>58172350
compared to turko-mongol nomads they certainly where good at it historically.
>>58172350
What about are you talking? envy?
>>58166254
Because SEAsians and Mudslimes are uncivilized shitholes
seeing chemicals history, Arab developed at begging and Europe later. Then Japan and America boosted it. Why Arabians are so idiot nowadays to technology?
>>58172174
>you where not the only ones influencing and opening up japan to westernisation,
they were literally frozen in feudal times before american contact.
Around 1850. Japanese majority could write and read more than 60% in average. in same time UK was around 35% France, around 10%. this is best record in world history ever. It says that time, Japanese farmer and their kids could access to academic.
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>>58172508
Proxy vergessen, Davido-kun?
>>58171436
Yep. Japan was by far the first country to be industrialized in the far east. It really was an empire by the time of WW2. Therefore the population was used to high standard of living and trying to pass anything worse than that after conquering it would not work without severe civil unrest.
>>58172541
Because this kind lot of idiots are on yr country, that why your country is still so sad. Don't cry man. Enjoy masturbation with blond porn HAhaha
Fucking Kazakhstan has better English than you lad. You should really just stop.
>>58172672
Japanese only had high living standards compared to other Asians though, in lots of ways it's society was considered backwards by westerners. Japanese living standards improved significantly after the war though, as did its industrial standards. Primarily because so much foreign investment flooded the Japanese market.
"Made in Japan" used to have the same connotations as Made in China does today.
>>58172672
I am Japanese who lives in Germany. I surprised that there are not so many people in this world who educated like u. I like american but also many american's are so uneducated. Then cannot speak foreign language very often. Actually enough stupid Japanese in Japan too. They are too naive.
>>58172855
As I told you Japanese development is based on Japanese effort. Japanese learned Western academic but they did by it by themselves basically.
Where is your parent origin? Are you Yankee? monkey? donkey? Enjoy masturbation.
>>58173020
>Japanese development is based on Japanese effort
The effort would be nothing without American money and technology they steal.
>>58172855
"Made in Japan" used to have the same connotations as Made in China does today.
--> But that company in China is Japan. It is just indicated place of production. Therefore Chinese are angry that they cannot but these hi-quality products because they are made for export but not for domestic market. Too expensive to majority of Chinese even made in China. Use brain man if u have.
>>58172882
What are you doing in Luxembourg?
>>58173165
HAhaha when and how much american gave to Japan the money? show the evidence looser. I am so sorry to your country and brainwashing education. Drink alcohol man.
>>58172855
>Primarily because so much foreign investment flooded the Japanese market.
that's hardly true.
in fact, the share of foreigners in stock market had long been quite low until recently.
japan's development was done by japanese capital, and americans often criticized japan's closed capital market.
>>58173247
Usually I'm in Germany. Sometime I'm at Lux for my girlfriend.
>>58172835
there is no difference between gayrussia and boratstan. we are both third-world shitholes like any post-soviet country.
>>58173268
>brainwashing education
>A Russian says that USA industrialised Japan
You sound reasonable.
>>58166254
Because who gives a fuck about spics? Also, Mexico and Cuba are our only spic neighbors.
>>58166591
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>>58173293
Actually it doesn't so make sense to look stock market. This is even not investment to Japanese economics. Such money is not used for Japanese company as usable resource. Anyways, Japanese are not so much invested by foreigners for the country development. Japanese are investor in international context actually.
>>58172265
>almost Nobel award holder of U.S are foreigner origin
>almost all of U.S are foreigner origin
>>58173370
I wasn't talking about you Russian friend. I was talking about that retarded "you should have gotten be more like educated me" cuck.
>>58173020
Japan post war needed the investment to jumpstart their economy. It's true by the 1960's that it was mostly the government investing in Japan's economy, but before then Japan had gone through nearly 20 years of gradual economic liberalization that included less monopolistic practices and more foreign borrowing. That changed in the 60's, which is largely considered Japan's golden era because it had gone from a net borrower to a net lender.
>>58173390
oh I'm sorry. U should run way from your country. Come Japan or Europa.
>>58173595
You sound like an angry Jap who can't into a dialogue. I didn't say your country is bad, it was jaut made better thanks to USA.
>>58173705
Ok man lol
>>58173565
It seem that you are relevantly educated. Yes it is not wrong. There was some helps just at begging after WW2 in order to recover Japan from eliminated situation. These investment resource are not used for nanotechnology base up because Japanese are enough high-tech country at the time. But Japan didn't have money for the former war. Even no food! Also this boosting is needed because Amerians ware so afraid Japan turn to comunist and being friend of soviet union. It was like bit marshall plan.
*nanotechnology -> technological
>>58166254
>made japan great
That was the Japanese. South Americans are just pathetic.
>>58173705
>it was jaut made better thanks to USA.
that's a question though. while modern japan is not bad, imperial japan had more territories and strategic options to pursue its interests.
>>58171670
Japan had a lot of industry for East Asia.
They just felt like going full retard and attacking a clearly stronger America.
ITT: People blind to history and facts and shilling so goddamn hard against america and grasping at straws because muh anime can't be wrong!
Keep in mind baka gaijin 80 years ago these people would have killed you, then raped your wife and daughter over months. Jesus fuck have a backbone and some self respect.
>>58172855
We had our role in helping turn Japan into our factory, but for the most part it was Japanese efforts.
They had already come a long way ny themselves since the Meiji restoration. What's to say they couldn't continue?
>>58173165
Lmao so explain 1860-1930?
>>58174233
Reason why Japan attacked to america is resources. Japan imported lot of oil from America that is significantly important for the economics. With out oil, technology cannot run. How machine works without oil even we have machine?
Not just for this reason but loosing oil mean losing power and it conclude accept invasion from Europa and U.S for colonization. That time was just so tension everywhere of the world.
>>58173521
Not what that means.
Second Gen Americans are generally way shittier.
>>58173565
Even in 1945-1952 during the occupation most investment was Japanese.
It's a bad meme.
>>58173705
Japan's economy did horribly during America's occupation 1945-1952.
Not that cut and dry.
We were attempting to save them from communism.
Imagine you're surrounded by a fire and have a bucket and a water source. You start throwing the water on it then some dickhead starts pouring lighterfluid everywhere.
That dickhead was your country, OP.
Inferior culture? Did they even manage to build anything for themselves?
>>58174359
You sound autistic.
Japan's economy did poorly 1945-1952 during America's occupation of Japan.
Even during the occupation Japanese investment vastly outweighed American investment.
Arguing that Japan was "made great by America" is patently false. Do Germans owe their success in 2016 to America (and friends) occupation 1945-1951?
>>58174837
>Do Germans owe their success in 2016 to America (and friends) occupation 1945-1951?
yes
because without USA they'd be speaking russian
ungrateful fucks
>>58174532
Your government+military was stupid for attacking America.
Other countries would have continued to give Japan oil. Japan could have tried conquering the Indies (as it later tried) to get oil.
Instead Japan attacked America and started a 4 year war which completely destroyed Japan and the Japanese empire.
Starting a war over oil by attacking America was stupid.
Japanese saw FDR as our emperor, when in fact he had very little support and couldn't just start a war without public support.
Attacking Pearl Harbor made all Americans feel betrayed and gave FDR the go-ahead to destroy Japan.
>>58174804
The dickhead was the Axis.
Nazi Germany made the Soviets a seriously pissed off superpower.
>>58174870
I'm sorry. Do East Germans speak Russian? Poles? Lithuanians? Georgians? Kyrgz?
And if America didn't supply 30% of the Soviets weapons, Germany would never have been conquered.
See how two can play the "what-if" game?
>>58175185
Germany would have fallen because his war policies in the late war were retarded, but I agree in that soviets wouldn't have changed germany that much.
Except it would definitely be a shithole now, because it would have (fully) fallen under soviet control
>>58166254
>Americans made Japan great, developed
Japan was a developed and a world power well before US occupation. That aside, a strong democratic Japan was good for the world and good for the US going forward, so as to further establish its (the US's) hegemony in the pacific with a friendly ally.
>but they plunged their SA neighbours into coups, revolutions and drugs
Because those SA neighbors were dabbling in Left Wing populism and Gommie shit already.
>>58174837
You are autistic. You idiots focus too much on the economy, we protected them from Russia and China, taught them capitalism and democracy.
Without us, every last man woman and child would be shot, buried and burned alive by the Chinese. 100% guaranteed.
>>58175026
I should say there was a notion of "Block economics". Amerina forced to japan to throw right of south part of China for colonazation. Than was a reason too. That was quite unfair for the time.
Anyways, I agree that how that was stupid to start fight with America. No way. simply idiot.
But considerately, reason why Japan started the war is pretty complicated that people believe.
seeing this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note) By Japanese historian, strongly believed that that time's American president was actually not innocent to the war.
>>58166591
>amerishits think they were chosen by god to rule the whole americas.
Well we're certainly more qualified. Look at the shitty job they've done themselves. You could try to say the same for the U.S., but when everyone is doing shitty the standards are lower.
>>58166254
>japan
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>not communist
Japs are one tier below China in all matters regarding civil liberties and social policy. It's an authoritarian, anti-individualist society.
Japan is still the same backwards shithole it was 100 or 300 years ago, only now they've got a more developed infrastructure, school system and business climate, giving them material wealth - but not much else.
Anyways, I'm happy to know that there are well educated Americans here lol. I enjoyed talking u guys. I go cafe now. Bye~~
>>58175282
> That aside, a strong democratic Japan was good for the world and good for the US going forward
A "strong democratic japan" has never existed.
>>58175451
(you)
>>58175500
enjoy masturbation bye~
>>58175500
(you)
>>58175500
>>58175451
Nah, you're full of shit and your opinions are retarded
>>58175618
>says the faggot without a clue about Japanese society
You're welcome to use google and find out, Pekka.
>>58166591
Basically this. We needed the japs to be wealthy so they wouldn't fall under the sway of the gommies
>implying that was because America
Where's that pict about Murrica tried to make Japs adopt alphabets but failed because Japan's literacy rate was better than America at that time.
>>58175840
>implying a good literacy rate in any way makes their writing system good
It's dogshit. Alphabet system #1. Deal with it, 3rd worlders.
>this one jap guy with a proxy
lmao
>>58175268
If America didn't join in the war Russia would be speaking German, or at least the Nazis would not have lossed so badly.
Us joining in changed the war.
That's my point. His What-If begins in 1944. Mine begins when America went to war.
You can't put a gun to someone's head and then claim you're the good guy because you changed your mind and won't kill him now, but instead will shoot his leg so someone else can finish him.
>>58175282
>democratic Japan before the war
HAHAHAHA
>they were not supporting America 100% so they deserve coups and American military dictatorships
Wow great logic Japan!
>>58175409
>we protected them from Russia and China, taught them capitalism and democracy.
>Without us, every last man woman and child would be shot, buried and burned alive by
The delusion in this post is surreal
>>58175426
We weren't going to let the Japanese genocide 35+ million MORE Chinese and invade all of Asia.
When a nation starts attacking everyone, America has all the right to stop helping that nation.
>>58175821
Why didn't they fall to Communism 1900-1940?
Shit tier logic senpai. Our military forces and occupation of Japan 1945-present, combined with Japans powerful navy 1900-1945, were what kept the Commies at bay.
>>58175409
This has to be bait.
You understand who was BTFOing and raping the Chinese 1895-1945 right? America put a stop to that.
>>58166254
because latinos don't have kawaii :3
>>58174518
Portugal, Netherlands, Black sheeps.
>>58175409
>>58176023
This.
>>58175493
>I go cafe now.
Enjoy
My first successful thread :3
