How would Europeans react if the US were to leave NATO?
dont care
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>>58078461
Why would they ever leave NATO?
>>58078461
nobody cares
In fact it would mean we won't have to supply shit for US retard wars like Afghanistan anymore so it would be good for us.
>>58078461
Terrified that we don't have to take care of them anymore
>>58078610
>any other countries supplying the US
It's the other way around pham
>>58078659
Germany had thousands of troops stationed in Afghanistan for over 10 years because the US invoked the NATO treaty.
Germany never made any such requests to the US.
Only 3 countries actually pay the NATO defense allotment, USA being one of them. If we pulled out, NATO countries would have much less defense, and the small countries would be quickly gobbled up.
>>58078461
>US
literally who
>>58078610
Wihtout the USA you would be a third world shithole like Ukraine. So much unthankful.
>>58078968
This
NATO is the de-facto military of a number of countries.
What would happen is that European countries would spend 4% of their GDP on their military and reinstate conscription like they should.
And that would make Europe relevant again and it would actually be stronger than the US.
>>58078461
they will leave nato too
>>58078461
>US
>leave NATO
Can we? Oh, pretty please can we do that?
>>58078783
>Germany had thousands of troops stationed in Afghanistan for over 10 years
You were barely a 20th of the total coalition forces. You couldn't even provide air support because most of your tech is so outdated. 50% of the coalition was made up of Brits and Americans who, unsurprisingly, took most of the casualties.
>>58079182
Germany was an industrialized, developed country long before the US became relevant on the world stage.
We didn't need the US for that before the world wars and we didn't need it afterwards either since human development does not vanish even if your country loses a war it can rebuild its industry pretty fast with the available know-how.
>>58078461
not give a fuck
>>58078968
http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_01/20160129_160128-pr-2016-11-eng.pdf#page=3
It's 5 now. Still a pathetically low number. 3 meet the % of GDP target and % of defence budget on equipment
>>58079246
Fixed it up for you
>What would happen is that European countries would spend 20% of their GDP on their military and reinstate conscription like they should. And that would make Euros to kill each other again over petty differences like they did before pax america
>>58079423
>human development does not vanish
Tell that to your new neighbors.
>>58079182
Rare Great khan senpai
>>58079182
RARE
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>>58079423
Stupid German. USA give you supplies after war and save you from r*ssia.
>>58079246
This. C'mon brothers. Its not that hard and its only one year of your life at most.
>>58078461
You want a EU superpower then, cause that's how you get a EU superpower
>>58079423
>Germany was an industrialized, developed country long before the US became relevant on the world stage.
Germany existed in 1823?
>>58079390
Still doesn't change the fact that we wouldn't have to send any troops at all for a conflict that is of no interest to us if we weren't part of NATO.
The only possible scenario where the US could ever be relevant to German security is if Russia decided to invade all of Western and Central Europe (yeah, right) which is a likely scenario only in the minds of the most russophobic butthurt belters and even then 500 million Europeans will certainly be able to defend themselves from 120 million Russians with an economic output lower than Italy.
>>58079735
VON BISMARCK'D
>implying American taxpayers will EVER stop paying for our defense
>>58078610
you realize war and the military industrial complex are worth trillions.
>>58080262
how, you direct more money to that part of your industry when in war?
>>58079465
And yet the majority of countries don't pay their fair share and they're always calling "Big bad America: World police" when WE ARE THE WORLD POLICE THANKS TO NATO
>>58079577
Nah. You'd just end up killing each other again like the previous 600 times.
>>58080552
Nothing better than a good purge from time to time.
God knows the old place got too crowded lately
>>58078588
Trump wants to leave NATO.
>>58080712
And then you'd be weak again..like always.
>>58080830
Trump isn't going to be president, though. Your next president will literally be a cuck.
>>58080931
Who then? Hillary is a warhawk, she started the Libyan revolution when she could have avoided it entirely.
>>58080931
Hillary is not a cuck. Come on sven, you are an expert on cucks.
organise within v4, ally with China
>>58078461
That's the best thing that would happen to Europe
>>58080931
Hillary is actually pretty war-hungry and a sociopath, though
Trump doesn't want to leave NATO anyways, he just wants to charge money for its services.
>>58081144
R A R E ?
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>>58078610
>>58078461
Lets ask the Ukraine how their EU buddies helped them in crimea, or what the EU is doing for Ukriane in the eastern Ukraine, besides the dutch sending airliners to get shot down over the airspace, they didnt even hit any rebels. Wonder what would have happened without NATO.
>>58081380
NEW FAG
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>>58081452
thanks lad xx
>>58080931
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
Just because Euro says NO to trump, thats why we need him, show the WORLD how things get done.
you would lose your right to place global pewpew police so never gona happen
>>58080552
Exactly this. Europe would be a shithole without US keeping you in check.
>>58081786
>lose your right
We are America, we will never lose that right. We are all the worlds immigrants living peacefully together, try that anywhere else.
Please make it happen.
I'm tired of Europe using our military. I'm tired of our money being squandered on bases. Please just fucking suspend NATO. Leave us to our own devices.
>>58081913
>We are all the worlds immigrants living peacefu
>>58081144
Which airlines go to your country? Whats it like?
>>58081932
Do you realize that this way usa is ruling the world? And ruling the world has its own costs?
They rule NATO - they rule europe.
They have shitload of troops in asia as well.
>>58081354
Actually he said he's going to force NATO members to pay us for current and all PAST protection. He also said that if members leave, and it breaks up he doesn't care.
>>58081528
nah dude norfolk island is actually rare
>>58082123
>Yes USA you are strong and own the world so please pay trillions of tax payer money to protect us from Russia they are so scary
t. you
At first it will probably lead to a collapse and political restructuring due to European pacifists no longer having to rely upon the US to keep us safe. In the long run (assuming some kind of massive war doesn't start) we're going to be better off. Europe needs to be able to defend itself. A one-way military alliance is vassalage.
>>58082123
This.
>>58082123
I really don't give a shit about ruling the world anymore.
Give the crown to someone else. I just want a functioning fucking economy.
>>58082450
>Rolplaying as countries
>>58079182
Without the USSR your shithole would still be trying to invade China on horseback.
>>58082420
pls read anything about geopolitics and how it works
Also, usa is paying trillion for bases in western europe, especially Cucmany, so apparently they are saving you from french or algeria, I dunno
or maybe saving europe from you ;-)
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>>58079182
Sorry you had to see this
>>58079538
>Stupid German. USA give you supplies after war and save you from r*ssia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany
>>58081144
Hillary is literally, by definition, a cuckold.
>>58078461
Not good 2bh.
Maybe Polan would help us
Probably not
>>58081479
>EU buddies
You realize the EU gives almost zero fucks about Ukraine?
They weren't buddies then, are aren't buddies now.
>>58081786
How? What the fuck would Europe do? Europe is pathetic and our alliances with Britain and other nations would continue.
>>58082123
>usa is ruling the world
We have to hear this all the damn time, and that we're doing so poorly. What does the average American gain from this? Jack. Fucking. Shit.
Europe should take care of its own business. South Korea, too.
>>58082743
we'd allow you to stay but we wouldn't send in any troops
why piss off Russians when it can only get us dead?
>>58082123
>the US is ruling the world
Maybe your shithole. Definitely not the world.
>>58082018
Just because you're too poor to live somewhere nice doesn't mean the rest of the country lives around trash.
>>58082534
>this whole post
This is why I dislike the butthurt belt. They are everything I like, but in the end are still delusional slavs.
Trade with Russia would become booming again I guess. Just like in the old days.
People seem to think that a lot of European countries would be put under a lot of duress if NATO were gone but I think that's a load of fucking shit.
>>58082834
Agreed. Europe is literally worth 12x Russia.
If Europe wanted to collapse Russia without war, it'd just stop buying Russian oil. That simple.
These fucks are just using us all around the world.
Even South Korea doesn't spend enough to defend themselves. America is the one spending to protect the world, and the average American gains nothing but another Iraq or Afghanistan every decade.
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>>58079537
There's this Mongolian poster on /int/ who says he hates it when people respond RARE, so he always uses a proxy.
>>58082897
Your whole post was delusional though. African Americans most definitely do not "live in peace". More people died in Chicago than Americans in Afghanistan over the last 15 years.
America was and still is mostly based upon the work of Northern Europeans.
Just wait till we get to Brazil levels in demographics....
>>58078461
We're still a proxy so I wouldn't care much, Kosovo isn't in NATO and yet Bondsteel is still there
Thanks for using your tax money to invest in us tho ameribros :)
>>58083015
It is. Europe spending 2% of GDP on their military would outweigh Russia's spending by $400 billion.
It's already $400 billion to $60 billion.
>>58083031
>Iraq and Afghanistan were wars to protect the world
Are Americans really this retarded?
>>58083117
Enjoy it when we leave. Bondsteel only exists to keep Serbia from having any ideas.
>>58083239
NATO, or what? You wont leave us behind
>>58083202
I didn't say that
That is the delusion I'm talking about. Politicians justify those wars as being the protect the world, but the average American never sees a benefit from it.
>>58078461
Western Europe wouldn't care. Every country East of Germany would shit themselves.
>>58083175
And I don't think Russia is too keen on acting agressively like during the USSR days, because of exactly that: the USSR days. But neighbouring countries could catch some flak I suppose.
>>58083343
This. I'm not worried at all.
>>58083292
>you won't leave us behind
There's literally no reason to defend your shithole.
>>58083343
They would definitely stop acting so uppity pretty fucking fast.
>>58083398
Countries that cannot defend themselves have no right to exist.
>>58083406
This from someone who cant place us on the map? We've always been a cooperative proxy and there's no amount of internet asshurt that will change that
>>58083558
You fucks have never lost anything before so you can't play that card.
>>58083108
>Your whole post was delusional though.
That wasn't me.
>Chicago
I don't live in Chicago.
>Just wait till we get to Brazil levels in demographics....
>we
Yeah, that'll take a while. I live in Vermont.
Besides, our crime problems aren't due to racial or sectarian tension, /pol/.
>>58083597
Your shithole will be dropped the moment circumstances chanfe.
The fact we can't locate your country shows how much we care for it.
>>58083911
>we
Lol, I said you personally cant, my dumb fat american. There are vested interests here and if you are too stupid to figure it out that's your fault.
Again thanks for your tax money, I'll tell you we appreciate it more than Poland but either way both of us are getting it and you are never going to stop doing it unless you turn to shit :)
>>58083666
>aren't due to racial problems
Where the fuck have you been?
>vermont
Alright Bernie Sanders. The world is safe and rich where you are. Oh wait, it's also one of the whitest states.
Don't tell me how it is to live with minorities.
>>58083655
TERPENS
>>58084073
>you personally can't
Moldova, Tranistria, Ukraine, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovakia, the black sea, border your Gypsy HQ. You guys are dying out faster than Nips. Your country is poor compared to Czechs and even Crotians.
You had a fire in a band hall and your Gypsy PM resigned over it.
>>58084209
Noice. Now can you figure out why your tax money is coming here?
And why are you sooooooooo frustrated. We are like, the only country that doesn't hate you poor sods
>>58083655
We were the bitch boy of England for a couple centuries.
We fought for our existence. And yes I say we because my ancestors came here with the Irish in the 17th century.
>>58084286
MUH HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>58084543
Yes, his heritage. What of it?
>>58084269
My tax money?
I pay almost nothing. I'm a college student.
We care about your nation because it is a loyal whore of America. But just like a street whore on the outskirt of Bucharest, the second we see no reason to keep you around you'll be back on the street.
If I was your politicians I'd keep that in mind. Americans don't want to sacrifice for those who won't sacrifice as well. No more freeloaders.
I don't want to be an asshole, but Eastern Europeans are deluded if they think America will always be there for them.
>>58084080
>Where the fuck have you been?
Well, so far I've lived in Cleveland, Chicago, Denver, Pueblo (CO), and Burlington.
Look, just because you can't afford to live somewhere nice doesn't mean they don't exist. What happens in Baltimore or New Orleans has nothing to do with me.
>>58084286
>a couple of centuries
>couple
The thirteen colonies were formed during the 17th century and you declared independence in 1776.
>>58084543
There's literally nothing wrong with claiming my people fought for our independence.
Eastern Europe did no such thing. Without America it would not exist.
>>58084286
You inherited the nation with the most potential ever, so even though most countries experience similar kind of struggles you can never say the US drew the short stick. You were pushed up onto a golden throne by your European ancestors and had it easy-mode from then on. That was what I was trying to imply.
>>58084626
>loyal whore
>wont sacrifice tho lol
>freeloaders
>followed america everywhere post revolution
Dude like, /pol/ opinions aside we'll be an american state before you pull outta here :^)
>>58084714
The original post I responded to is delusional. Here>>58081913
That's where this started and moving the goalposts will change nothing.
>>58078638
" American education " at its finesse form.
You do know Europeans can fight for themselves?
Dont forget if we turned all our resources to the army we would be the strongest union in history we could conquer the planet in less then a year as well.
Dont forget that your army is made of niggers and so called "white trash" .
Your country is made man that were stupid and weak by European standards
>>58084774
>fought for independence
Yeah, in the time when shipping a lot of soldiers overseas was a an infeasibility, not to mention the support you received from france. You're making it sound like it was some gargantuan struggle to free yourself from your british opressors, when literally every colony in the Americas broke away from their mother countries sooner or later.
Having an entire fucking ocean separate you from potential aggressors is a pretty good thing to have, it's kinda harder when they're literally your neighbors.
>>58085184
>Dont forget if we turned all our resources to the army we would be the strongest union in history we could conquer the planet in less then a year as well.
And what language will your army chain of command will use? kek and mate.
>>58085184
>could conquer the planet in less then a year as well
Cant tell if irony or serious
>>58085184
>could conquer the planet in less then a year as well
acalma-te aí
>>58085679
German, what else?
>>58085910
EUROPÄISCHES WELTHERRSCHAFT JETZT!
>>58078461
EU should have its own functioning internal alliance and NORAD should stay at home. Imperialism is dead.
>>58078968
>NATO defense allotment
Is this that arbitrary 2% number Obama keeps demanding and we keep laughing at? Americans couldn't even afford to use their military in low intensity conflict for less than a decade. The Afghanistan/Iraqi wars cost the USA some $4,000b or $6,000b once interest is considered.
Imperialism is dead. Americans are generally pathetic with geography and don't understand the world is a pretty small place. China is only a threat to Americas superpower status and Russia is only a threat to the tiny ass Baltic/Caucus nations. The UK could eliminate 70% of the US population with nuclear strikes within hours if she wanted too, same goes for France. The EU isn't nearly as weak as closeted Americans like to believe.
You can also recall the continental WWII ramp up if you doubt the capabilities, the next one will also be measured in months not years.
>>58084845
And, as you can see, that's not my post.
>>58084771
That means we were under their control for a couple centuries. 17th and 18th.
Even 1776-1800 we were barely independent.
>>58084797
Agreed. Totally agree.
>>58084802
HAHAHAHAHA
You do not sacrifice enoufh in the eyes of the average American.
We will never make you guys a state
>>58078461
France and the UK have nuke. Not much will change.
