is mexico really that bad?
>>57985283
No, because they export their worst to us. Thanks, Mexico.
Some parts are decent, others are absolutely 3rd world
>>57985283
depends on how attached you are to your head
>>57985283
>.gif
>is a still image
No, it depends. There are places where one should avoid because of the drug war, even then you'll just get in trouble if you do stupid things you shouldn't be doing anyways. To be honest there are places in the USA where you'd be worse off. I'm retiring there because people are still free there, and it's absolutely gorgeous and peaceful. The people are friendly, cheerful and helpful. Are you that Croatian mexiboo? I always imagine you like the guys in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQLA16dI5og
>>57985283
In the 90's when i was in the 5th grade we once saw a documentary about mexico city and these pictures where so horrifying that i even after all these years couldn't forget them
>drug cartels
>ch*** prostitution
>no clean drinking water
>corrupt police, politicians
>air pollution
>no health care
>jails are literally hell on earth
Mexico is scarier than any horror movie
Let's see.
Yes, it is.
But at least food is great.
>>57985283
nope, but america is obsessed with us, they really like to trhow us shit
>>57985891
and was an american documentary right ?
>>57985283
Yes
>>57986091
>and was an american documentary right
Probably yes
>>57985891
You just described the USA...
>drug cartels
Prohibition invented the gangster/cartel culture
>ch*** prostitution
Good thing that stuff never gets posted on 4chan, or that we have dedicated boards to that on other chans.
>no clean drinking water
What do they drink then?
>corrupt police, politicians
Please direct me to that magical country were they don't have corrupt police or politicians.
>air pollution
We still have air reports in Los Angeles, and back in the 90's the smog (word invented here) used to get so bad, that they would recommend kids didn't go to school.
>no health care
That's why old and poor white people flock to Tijuana and other border towns to see doctors, dentists and buy the same medicine their doctors prescribe at a cheaper price.
>jails are literally hell on earth
Besides Eurocuck places like Sweden where they have Svën come in and prep the bulls, where do they have prisons that aren't hell?
>>57985283
Yes. And they made us worse too. Wherever those brown smelly dirty spic manlets go they make it worse.
>>57985283
Yes. Why do you ask idiot?
>>57985283
Parts of it are. Most of it is just what you'd expect from a typical lower-middle income nation. It's a lot better off than other nations in it's income bracket but the parts that are bad are extremely bad.
>>57985717
All places are dangerous. What about the 12 idiots kidnapped in Cuatlancingo, Puebla on Feb 2016? At keast they were chopped off quickly same day and dumped in NaOH bins to dissolve next morning. Rooberies are everyday shut and a lot of crimes as far as 99% are never denounced and even less punished
>>57985283
No, absolutely not. Mexico belongs to the nations that will carry the future. Remember what I'm about to tell you...Mexico is the future
>>57985891
Fuckin a nice tight pussy of a 15 yo girl its not bad. You demand your whores to pay taxes ogre
>>57985717
>I'm retiring there
cool i read campeche is nice place for old people
>Are you that Croatian mexiboo? I always imagine you like the guys in this video
no unfortunately i dont know to play any instruments
>>57986059
your oc? every time i see different versions of that pic lele
>>57986277
We drink bottled water ir filtered at home
>>57985283
Yes. When I went there the company that was paying for the trip had to provide an armed bodyguard to escort me anytime I was outside the teeny tiny safe zone in Mexico City. If you're a foreigner and you step outside the high security area, you WILL be killed in moments.
>>57986462
Almost 60% of idiots here earn less than 1 USD per day
>>57986552
Yes, OC. But it is the ultimate map.
>>57986552
Better retire to Oaxaca City
My cousins went to live there since their dad got a pretty important job opportunity in the DF and they have a 24/7 bodyguard even though they live in the richest, safest part of the city.
Mexico would be first world if not for NAFTA.
>>57986658
What are you on about?
>>57986649
Well it depends. But Mexico City itselfs concentrate all the worst of Mexico. Also, was your bodyguard able to speak in englis ir was he an idiot?
>>57986708
That's old data.
>>57986658
That absolutely can't be true
>>57986658
I don't think that's accurate.
>>57986764
mexico would be first world if it wasn't filled with mexicans.
>>57986816
Most of that data is from 2015, the ones that are not, are the most recent I could find.
Parts of your pic, on the other hand, are not even real.
>>57985283
>one of the top ten most visited countries in the world
>that bad....
No it's not only a faggot shit would say that.
>>57986277
Get on the other side of the wall, beaner brains
>>57986784
He only spoke Spanish, but he was a pretty cool guy.
>>57986847
>>57986858
That's because he is wrong. Less than 1% of the population live like that.
If the cartel were to suddenly disappear, how much would Mexico improve? Significantly, or only slightly?
>>57987084
Murder rate would drop significantly, probably like Chile.
And that's enough for me. But not gonna happen.
>>57986921
>Donald trump
>even getting elected by the Republicans.
Hahahaahahahhahahha
Dumb shit.
It's bad, not gonna lie, but define "that bad".
http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/insight-crime-homicide-round-up-2015-latin-america-caribbean
>still not sure if this is real, but posting it anyway.
>>57987158
Not only the murder rate, but most things would normalise. Cartels have their intricate fingers in politics, infrastructure and society. Murder would drop, sure, but legislation would get breathing air, tourism would skyrocket, things would finally get going
>>57985891
i prefer mexico than your germanzi nation
>>57987084
The cartel is a symptom, symptomatic treatments only work short therm, if at all.
>>57985891
Yeah but we have no muslims
>>57987399
It's a symptom of "the war on drugs". And poverty. But mainly the war on drugs and the fact that we are next to the biggest drug consumer in the world.
If the war on drugs were to stop, then crime would take another form if we don't deal with poverty as well.
>>57987308
Yes all that is true lad, our economy would improve incredibly.
That's why USA doesn't gonna allow it?
They will keep giving guns to the cartels for ever.
meh
>>57986091
este tio esta obsesionado con vosotros
>>57987309
Fuck off back to Africa muslim swine
>>57987637
It's in the U.S. interest that we have a great economy, desu. North America would be a whole lote better if we improved. Immigration would no longer be a problem, NAFTA would grow tremendously, etc, etc.
Other thing is that their citizens are still very conservative and a lot of their politicians are fucking retarded (not like ours, but still).
>>57987763
nazi PUTO
>>57987637
Of course it's not in U.S's interest to see a powerful Mexico. Don't you see their minority? Do you recognize the magnitude of shit the U.S would find itself with a powerful Mexico? Not because Mexico would become a threat itself. The citizens of America would become a threat. Mexico, due to its past, present and let's not hope future problems, didn't accept a multicultural society the U.S has. They have a much more "firm" hierarchy...
That absolutely doesn't mean Mexico and Mexicans should blame all of their problems on the U.S, because that's simply not true
>>57987914
We have bad luck.
>>57987914
New Spain (Mexico) was the ebst spanish colony, and they were bigest than US in the past
>>57988023
I don't know much about Mexican history then, just highlights. The civil wars, how you changed presidents like socks, the monarchy, the Mexican-American war. I gained some knowledge by reading "Why Nations Fail" by D. Acemoglu. It proved a useful "comparative" insight into American and Mexican situations
The only way to "alleviate" the cartel situation is to raise the standard of the populace. Only satisfied people will not go for desperate measures, like becoming drug mules and overworking in black market factories...
The cartel plays on your lack of education and social reform
I don't want to sound like a fucking chairo, but how much does our media affect our country in a negative way?
>>57985283
It's less Third World than any other Latin American country, except maybe Chile
>>57988210
They were the best colony for agrarian and mineral exploatation. Biggest in population due to said opportunities they afforded. Not because of any industrial, infrastructural or social advantage...
It had an advantage, yes. In the form of those very same resources, however, bad management led Mexico where it is today
Even the reforms of Porfirio Diaz, for example, AGAIN served for large landowners and interest groups
>>57988240
burger you don't know what you are saying
>>57986658
>self hating faggot telling lies
meh
>>57988227
Not that much desu. The media only wants to make money (as it is their job), and they do with the shit programing they have, so why would they change? If they could make triple the money they make with educational tv, they would. The problem is deeper, ignorance has been perpetuated by the shit governments we have had, before the media even existed.
They don't have vision, but they are not evil.
>>57988350
Having traveled extensively through Latin America, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about
>>57985380
>13kb
how many seconds did it take to figure out that one, kevin?
If you are a super rich person, you will live like a king. A literal heaven. Cheap food, cheap labor, cheap services.
see:
> ://www.instagram[.]com/richkidsofmexicocity/?hl=en
If your income ("i") is between this range: i ≤ 3,000 USD and i ≥ 1000 USD; you can live pretty comfy.
If your income is less than one thousand dollars per month you will struggle to be comfy (id est, you might have to use public transportation, or live with the minimum things necessary), but will be OK overall.
If your income is less than 300 per month you are fucked. This is hell. Everyone and everything will take advantage of you. Employers, police, public services, politicians, chakas and everyone who can outsmart you.
Bonus points: if you are white and/or good looking and/or tall, most people will respect you and will not mess with you.
Basically, all girls are whores, and it is super easy to get your dick wet. Unless you are a super loser and/or super ugly.
>>57987285
If el salvador is the biggest shithole in latin america why does every el salvadorian seem to have such massive pride in their country?
>>57988673
Third world countries are more likely to be patriotic for some reason. With a few exceptions, like Finland.
>>57988456
All I see is an intellectual black hole.
>>57988456
I viewed that instagram profile a while back. What I notice is how ....Caucasian this "scene" is. People that would be considered "average", or even "ugly" here are celebrated in Mexico as axioms of beauty...You have one, plain and pale Mexican girl with brown eyes and brown hair, but just because she's pale and has that "castiza" look, Mexico "loves" her.
Your country is hurting from a racial divide
>>57988856
Caste System is still in effect, not in full force, but it's pretty much alive, despite the fact that most Mexicans would claim that racism is non-existent in this country.
>>57988401
Which parts did you visit? Not only from Mexico, but Latin America.
>>57987870
This. Mexicans like saying that it'd be better for the US if Mexico stayed poor but it's pretty much the polar opposite. For example I'm pretty sure Mexico accounts for about a full third of all Lincoln sales and US pickup truck sales. I'd say the only sector of the Mexican economy that the US would prefer stay weak is agriculture because our food subsidization system is pretty corrupt.
>>57988733
A-and USA
>>57989253
Not really. More Mexicans claim that they would fight for Mexico, than Americans claim they would fight for the U.S.
I don't have the graph, but it's out there.
>>57989158
The U.S depends on Mexico for exports, but tell me, would an industrialized (actually "tertiarized", services given privilege in the world we live in) Mexico not prove an obstacle for the U.S exports? Wouldn't competitiveness rise between the two?
>>57989334
That's because mexicans assume they mean a defensive war whereas americans assume they mean yet another expeditionary war that has nothing to do with them.
>>57989426
Maybe.
They are fucking patriotic and one of the best latin americans country behind Argentina
Still some zones of Mexico are fucking NO-go
>>57988856
>castiza
crioles(white mexicans?) or criollos in spanish, i viewed too and they look spaniards and some mestizos.
>>57989549
lov u
>>57989400
Yes. The US would like Mexico to keep buying our products and working in American owned factories making far less than what they would have payed Americans. America wants Mexico on a leash.
>>57989583
>they look spaniards and some mestizos.
thye look like
>>57987870
The people that really rule in the US want inmigration,as cheap labour. That is why the only person that openly speaks about kicking the illigals is narcicist that self finances his campaing.
>>57989103
In Mexico, I've been to Monterrey, SLP, DF, and Cozumel (wooo Spring Break!).
For the rest of Latin America:
>Panama City
>Cali, Colombia
>Bogota, Colombia
>Flew into Cuzco, Peru and hiked the Inca trail up to Machu Piccu... this part of Peru was pretty nice
>Cordoba, Argentina
>Sao Paulo, Brazil
And you know, I would argue that going to Miami, Florida counts as going to Latin America. It's certainly shitty enough, and has more Cubans than Americans.
>>57989606
But if Mexicans were richer they could buy even more of our products
>>57989549
>behind Argentina
nah.
>>57989606
Big corporations maybe, emphasis in maybe. But it would be better for the general population of every country in North America if we improved.
>>57989583
Castizo = Mestizo + spaniard (or any white person, really).
>>57989683
I'm talking "more". Not simply raised standard, but getting such a standard that there is no large divide between the average U.S and Mexican citizens. Canada is a prosperous country, but it has a tiny population. It can't increase its potential (quantitatively speaking), only efficiency. Mexico is in a position to do both
>>57988317
Mexico city was described as the most cosmopolitan place in America,and it was the most urbanized area of America by far(the 13 colonies only had 8 coties with more than 8000 people). They just had to pay their own independence unlike Americans that got the money from Spain and France,and the criollos didnt had a phylosophy behind the movement unlike the US,they just wanted more money for themselfs. The history of Mexico is pretty sad.
>>57989807
Mexico will never rise as much as to challenge the American status quo. Their economy is already more than 17 trillion. We could be a lot better, first world even, but that's about it.
All Mexico needs to do is get rid of it's drug problems with Asean tier drug laws. I think Mexico is country where Islam might actually be beneficial since all catholic nations end being shit
I've been to Mexico, so I can say more than most on here.
>vacationed in DF, Puerto Vallarta and Yucatan. didn't die, great service, beautiful beaches, beautiful culture and ancient shit
>lived in Monterey for 5 years, 3 for school and 2 living with gf of time there
I mean I guess this goes without saying but as long as you're not retarded and look for trouble and stay out of the more dangerous areas, you should be golden.
I fucking hate the country because my gf I had there was crazy and drove me insane. Mexican bitches are spicy and all but man they're batshit.
>>57990005
american "education"
>>57989158
Is a strong China benefitting the US middle and working class?
A strong Mexico would be that on steroids,just because they are at your backyard and dont need to ship crap.
>>57989783
It would be better for the general population but not corporate profits in the short term thus the US would never go for it.
>>57989807
Canada can increase its potential by trying to be something than yet another gas station masquerading as a cunt.
>>57990081
>but man they're batshit.
Imagine having one of those lunatics as your mother.
>>57990194
No,its probably the opposite, if Mexico develops,is going to be through attracting American industries,and this would hurt more to the average american than to the corporations that will save tons of money as labour is cheaper in Mexico
>>57989783
are there spaniards ? are bad or good people...or what?
>>57985891
>ch***
why would you censor the word child you weird kraut
>>57990307
Of course there are Spaniards in Mexico. Companies like Telefonica operate there.
>>57989936
Yeah not really, Spanish settlers only cared to properly develop Mexico City. This centralization in fact continues, but Mexico City is, and was a tiny fraction of the New Spain/Mexico territory. By the time we got our independence most of the north parts of the country were barely populated.
Then, after the war, Ferdinand VII refused to make a commonwealth. He is literally one of the most retarded persons in human history. The world would be speaking Spanish if he did, but here we are. Spain never helped it's former colonies after that either. You even tried to reconquer us.
>I don't have anything against Spain btw, I actually like your country a lot
>>57990124
China is not the same as Mexico m8, they have really different interest than that of America. Mexico, on the other had doesn't. They also have a population bigger than 1 billion and are one of the biggest countries on earth, and they wont take away American hegemony anytime soon.
Mexico would never be that big. So yeah, it's in their interest that we improve.
>>57990279
Thats literally already what happend. Manufacturering moved there to pay shit wages and keeps them in poverty and takes those jobs from the US. NAFTA hurts all three countries workers involved but it's great for corporate profits which is why the US pushed so hard for it. Becuase us policy is largely the policy of the corporate sector.
>>57990244
can only imagine bud. but moms of Mexican friends of mine were always so nice to me, are they generally very warm and nice to friends?
>>57990279
>labour is cheaper in Mexico
And it also takes good paying jobs from Americans. Illegals are not stealing their jobs, NAFTA is.
It is bad, but it's still better than Africa or most of the Middle East though. It is still ''livable'' to the point that there are still people willing to live there.
You can apply that to most Latin American countries though (except those really poor like Haiti, Bolivia or Nicaragua, these one and Sudan are the same shit).
>>57988856
This. It's fucking cancer. What's worse is that Mexicans don't even fucking detect it and just automatically peg whiteness to positivity. I've literally had Mexicans tell me I'm more white than Mexican because I speak English and have a slightly above average income, despite being a legit Indio.
>>57989400
That would happen if Mexico started developing their own advanced systems that were better than the US. Stuff like designing and building their own cars, electronics, aircraft, technology and the like. The US would start to worry about being over taken like what happened with US-Japanese relations in the 1980s. This would only happen though if Mexico totally started outdoing the US in this sector. Mexico does make some of their own electronics, aerospace and automotive technology and I haven't ever heard of US attempts to mess with Mexican industry (except for oil). Contrarily the US outsources a lot of design and manufacturing to Mexico now. I think the US would prefer Mexico industrially and financially strong but not strong enough to project power abroad and become another China or Russia. I don't think Mexico will end up like that anyway because I don't see Mexico as a nation that's out to expand and fuck over other countries to carve out a power network.
>>57990364
not actual spaniards from peninsula dude, i said that spaniards with criollo heritage , they were ruler class in the past
>>57989971
It might not reach American BoT, but it can reach a firm social cohesion, attract back educated chicANOS and become a much more concurrent country. I doubt it can be toe to toe with the U.S, ever, but who says it can't compete?
Trust me, they don't need a richer Mexico. They need an export market and cheap workforce. "Better infrastructure and a better Mexico is essential to increase trade and cooperation in NA". Fuck that. Those are just stories. We know that a strong Mexico would polarize the American populace. Imagine an economically strong Mexico, and the neighborly U.S, with tens of millions of Chicanos, right on the border, rapidly expanding. It's like we rewind Croatian history back three decades, when Serbs constituted 11% of Croatia's population, saying "We want a strong Serbia, to increase our trade balance, create a bridge of cooperation and understanding. This is necessary for our region".
You'd have to be an idiot to wish this...no matter how "civilized" your country is
Plus, the economic ramifications. All those Central Americans opting for Mexico instead of the U.S for cheap labour. let's say, driving U.S wages up.. Mexico becoming more competitive in specific branches, world businesses shifting for Mexico. Chinese cooperation with Mexico, any number of scenarios that weaken U.S aggressive export policy towards Mexico
>>57985283
I would rather live here than there. What does this tell you?
>>57990566
That the Zetas beheading style is more painful than the ISIS one?
>>57990554
Mexico's cheap labour only really benefits big corporations, while it actually hurts the general population.
>>57987531
So cartels would go away and peace would reign should the drug war end? Are you stupid?
Sorry, I mean, Lo Sientto.
Tu eres stupido?
>>57990438
The North was never developed as the inmigration was too low,as it happened in most colonies until the XIX century. Nueva España was the most cosmopolitan place in the continent. And why should we have helped Mexicans? They betrayed us in the worst period of our history in the middle of an invasion and a covil war. Your little experiment failed,and current Mexico its the result.
>>57990438
Mexico is in the backyard of the US. It would be way cheaper overall,as you can hire people with very low wages,and the transport wouod be way cheaper. It is kind of happening right now btw,sectors like aerospace are moving to Mexico.
>>57990554
Are you Croatian that used to live in Mexico?
>>57990501
>That would happen if Mexico started developing their own advanced systems that were better than the US. Stuff like designing and building their own cars, electronics, aircraft, technology and the like.
This may be necessary for competitiveness but not necessarily for development. When was the last time you saw Australia or Singapore building their own brands of cars or electronics?
>>57990544
They still exist m8. Its obvious. Probably most Mexicans have at least 20% of Spanish blood. And pure criollos probably exist,as the rulling classes tend to marry each other
>>57990772
No. I'm just a Croat
>>57990705
They don't stay cheap, "dumb" labour forever
>>57990438
>Then, after the war, Ferdinand VII refused to make a commonwealth.
he is the worst king in our history, all people here hate him....fucking idiot
fuck france too
>>57990797
The biggest sector in Singapure's economy is manufacturing m8...
>>57990704
Don't know. But tens of thousands more killed in Mexico since 2007 than in Iraq. Plus, Mexico is not friendly to people wanting to protect themselves with personal firearms. How else are you supposed to do it when the police are too busy doing drugs and fucking each other to help you?
>>57990858
Manufacturing for foreign companies based in Singapore.
>>57990439
NAFTA isnt hurting Mexico. Their manufacturing sector is growing,and better paying jobs are appearing,isnt that what you wanted,a wealthier Mexico?
>>57990831
How are you so informed on Mexico? Just pure interest?
>>57986885
mexico would be first-world if the spaniards exterminated the indians to a handful and put them into reservations
>>57990914
And? If a company is from Brazil and all its factories are in China, the bigger impact of the economy and the product is made on China
>>57990916
>NAFTA isn't hurting Mexico
It sure as hell is. It's entirely about corporate profit and pays the workers far less than what they are worth. Manufacturering has grown substantially but the standard of living has seen much lower growth than what it should. NAFTA exploits the shit out of them.
>>57990722
M8, the real independentist didn't betray you, they were living like shit under the Spanish rule. (that is, mestizos, amerindians, and even creoles). They saw an opportunity when France invaded you, and they took it. They were losing by the way, because the conservatives (the ruling class of new spain = peninsulares) were killing them quite efficiently.
The conservatives, on the other hand. actually betrayed you because they didn't like the Cadiz constitution.
But even then, a commonwealth would have been better for everyone, including Spain.
Also, the north never had big immigration and industrialization, as developing the colonies was never the intention of the Spaniard kings.
>>57990929
>informed
The shift I'm spewing is visible from thousands of miles away. I wish I was informed
>>57990931
I disagree. Mexico would be great if they didn't fucking stuff their Indians in wooden housing and used them as cheap labour to mine silver and gold and just desecrated their shrines, converted them and left the cities and infrastructure in tact, developing on from these foundations. But no, they had to resettle entire cities into barracks-style habitations, where soon disease crept (from poor conditions of course) and wiped out enormous numbers of potential workforce and intelligentsia
Peru had around 300 people per km2 before the Spaniards started their reduction (reducciones) policy. Around 14 million people living there. I n 1840es, Peru had around a million and a half people.
That's what happened
>>57991130
Sorry, Cusco had that density (region of Cuzco), my bad...
But Peru had a large population, still
>>57990438
say that to my face fgt irl see what happens
>>57991121
Do you think that the living conditions in Spain were better than in Mexico? And the biggest supporters of remaining in Spain were focused mainly in the places with the highest native population, the biggest loyalist focus were in Peru and in Bolivia,the places with the most natives.
I dont know how the commonwealth would have had any impact. Portuguese tried and failed. We will never know.
>>57990716
>If the war on drugs were to stop, then crime would take another form
>crime would take another form
Do you even know how to read?
>>57990716
are you an american soldier on iraq?
>>57991052
They paid the workers the median salary in Mexico,even if you dont want to believe it those garbage wages are pretty good for some people. You seem to be quite delusional m8. Companies would never open a company in Mexico and put american wages because the cost of livings are different and also the infraestructure is way worse
>>57991332
Living conditions were better for full Spaniards thanks to the caste system, yes. They still are, actually.
>>57990974
Exactly. Is not necessary for the country to create new brands to achieve development like the anon said. Just let the free market flows and attract foreign investment with a good infrastructure, a thing China does a lot in it's SEZ's.
Chile is doing this right now as well, and for this reason they're also the country with the largest HDI in Latin America.
>>57985283
Yeah. Honestly. Yes, coming from a natural born US citizen.
>>57991454
He is right senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT6AvAhDx8Q
The median salary in Mexico is shit, btw.
>>57990438
>Mexico would never be that big. So yeah, it's in their interest that we improve.
Your reasoning is really bad. There is more layers to hegemony than "absolute numerical greatness and vast domination in all fields economy related".
And Spain was shit itself. What do you expect of a shitty empire and kingdom? I remember writing a fucking thesis on Spanish economic incompetence...can't really be arsed to do it again. They lost 2 million people when emigration was still not a fad....life inside Spain was so bad, they moved to OTHER European kingdoms. Not colonies, for benefits and such. OTHER kingdoms in Europe. I wrote about the encomienda and the reducciones of the Spanish crown...
Every decent New Worlder should be informed on the imbecile, inbred and incompetent Spanish administration
>>57991476
I mean Spaniards in Spain. The Spaniards that went to America where usually hidalgos,low nobility that wanted to rise. The plebs in Spain had the same living conditions as plebs in Mexico
>>57991332
The only reason the portuguese started the commonwealth was because the royal family ran from Portugal and settled themselves in Brazil when Napoleon invaded them, forcing themselves to develop this place. Before that it was never of their interest to develop any of their colonies as well and the moment Napoleon was out and they wanted to return to Portugal and make Brazil a colony again, the commonwealth was disbanded and Brazil became independent.
>>57990124
>Is a strong China benefitting the US middle and working class?
Depends. They take a lot of factory jobs but they buy more of our exports than any other country on earth. It definitely benefits the upper class, partially benefits the middle class and screws the lower class.
>>57990905
But also per capita? Mexico is huge
Dunno the exact situation in your place, but I have the feeling that since 2003 not a single day has gone by in Iraq without someone blowing something up somewhere, at least there's a news report about it every couple days like that even here
>>57991454
The pay is still shit. I'm not saying they should pay them the same as Americans otherwise they would not go to Mexico in the first place but there is a big gap between American wages and what they pay now. The point is, from the perspective of the American companies is to have cheap labor not to enrich Mexico. They don't care about the development of Mexico. The standard of living since 94 has improved but it is very sluggish. I should mention that while Mexican firms are expected to play fairly with American firms American firms don't have to play by the same rules. American agribusiness is one example of how we still protect our industries but force free trade on them. The whole agreement primarily benefits American corporations.
>>57991541
You can post the same video about China,but attracting foreign capital is one of the few ways to develop. Mexican wages have been garbage since Mexico didnt industrialized in the XIX century
>>57991720
The plebs in Spain weren't proto-slaves, as the amerindians were. So yes, plebs in Spain lived better than Amerindians and Mestizos.
>>57991733
I know that,but I dont think that a Spanish-Mexican commonwealth would have been any better than what happened in Brazil
>>57991798
Do you know how the oligarchies worked here? You should inform yourself,life here was pretty shitty,and that is why so many people flew in the XIX century.
>>57991787
Of course they dont care about Mexico. But they are helping them. More jobs and infustry leads to higher wages. This how development works. It doesnt happen because people are nice to each other.
>>57991793
>You can post the same video about China
I know, which is why China has lower living conditions than we do. I don't think anyone wants that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI
>>57991942
sigh. I'm not saying plebs were living fine, but yes, it is a fact that were better off than Amerindians and Mestizos. That's literally one of the most important reasons why the independence happened.
>>57988456
mas chilangas
>>57990931
Mexico is shit specifically because they tried to marginalize massive parts of the population based on radicalized castes. After the racism died down the same mentality of screwing over others and treating your fellow Mexican like garbage lived on, but in the form of people with connections vs people without connections instead of white vs indian.
>>57991733
The Iberian kingdoms didn't know much about the word "industrialization" and their societies were rigid in structure, clergy and "big" landowner oriented. True feudalism all up to the spring revolutions in the middle of the 19th century, even being late for them. Don't even know why Salazar fought for his banana empire back in the day...not like they did anything notable for those blacks there, or even went further than primitive plantation related manufacturing. I mean, a viable industrial land such as Brazil was their coffee, sugar and mate central...
I mean, I didn't fell for the "industrious Frenchman/Anglo, benevolent to them all" meme, but just thinking about Spanish and Portuguese colonial administration/relations makes me physically sick. The land they "sat" on, and what they made of it...
>>57991793
Attracting foreign capital IS the way to develop. It's the ultimate way to kickstart. If you don't have a consolidated capital of your own, get them to give you theirs
>>57992055
The reasons why Mexico is poor is completely different from the reasons China is poor. China has a unique, isolationist history. Their land and population much harder to control due to lack of infrastructure, warlords, who were actually appointed officers who would do things on the whim. You see, China already have a large population when it started developing. This is why they're lagging. Development is still catching corners of the country
>>57992016
Development has to come from the country developing though. In Mexico's case the plan is just to use them as a cheap source for products and as a consumer market. If they raised wages or taxes on those companies that set up factoreis there the factories would simply move on to the next weak government that would allow them to exploit a workforce.
>>57992262
NAFTA is not good for Mexico. It could have been, but it was signed in the interests of corporations. The same thing that it is happening with the TPP.
>>57992456
NAFTA is not good for Mexico, we agree there. I'm talking about foreign investment in general
>>57992055
China is way better right now. Is simple logic,development takes time
>>57992055
Actually per capita Mexico was wealthier than Spain. Plebs were treated equally bad,but unlike Mexico our national identity wasnt built upon that,so we dont really pay that much attention to it
>>57992262
Basically this. That or a capitalization forced by the state like the USSR,but those are way bloodier and give worse results
>>57992401
How does a country developed through develop? That is stupid. A country needs capital to developed,as capital increases productivity and makes the product competitive. If you dont attract capital you are doomed to be like the current african countries,relaying on very poor agriculture which is basically the history of mankind until the industrial revollution
>>57992602
Capitalization by the state is in other words called planned economy. Let the people "in the field" do the field work and plan expansions/re-purposing of the field...if you understand what I'm trying to say
The capital has to come from knowledgeable people, people mentally invested into the field as well. Not a bunch of bureaucrats. especially not those from Mexico City. What do they know about a project in Michoacan? How willing are they to invest there, without primarily thinking about the benefits to the Federal District? And so on
Decentralize
>>57992829
I agree,but is the only other way to industrialize.
>>57992754
Sure you attract capital. The country that is developing needs to be able to regulate and tax these industries though and the wages need to be decent to elevate the population. The state should also seek to protect its own industries during development so that it can complete on a fair playing ground. You think that Mexican companies can compete fairly with American ones? NAFTA was entirely about expanding American corporate power and economically dominating it's border countries and this should be no surprise. It's nothing new. That's been American economic policy since the beginning. American corporations did not move to Mexico to help them or to raise wages they came to exploit them and that just what they are doing and nafta is also hostile to any Mexican protectionism. Ironic considering during American development we were highly protectionist with our own industries and in fact still are with subsidies to our agribusiness. If Mexico were to do that however they would be highly discouraged and face retaliation from the US.
>>57993047
We can't observe it through the good "old" way of industrializing. Not all things are in demand as before. Mexico needs to assess which resources/tools/products are required on the market and can they capitalize on that. They can't just pump out expensive factories, prop them up and say "we have jobs!". I'm sure there are fields where Mexico can excel. One field, two fields, three fields, and you redistribute the capital for new projects.Look at Italy. It's the fourth economy on a small patch of land known as "Europe". 8th in the world. They're not Germany, China, the U.S, but they're competitive. Everyone knows of the "Italian design". Because Italy has a few fields it is renowned it, and attracts investment there
Just don't turn Mexico into a shithole reliant on tourism
>>57991768
You would be mistaken. Bombs are not THAT frequent. Scattered fighting every day or so, but bombings away from the front lines are relatively rare.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/10/isil-vs-mexican-drugcartelsunitedstatesislamophobia.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-staggering-death-toll-of-mexicos-drug-war/
>>57993269
You are so naive...
Do you understand basic economics? Mexico has littke capital,and the few that it has is own by a small oligarchy. The entrance of foreign capital helps to liberalize the economy and have a healthier one for that matter. And Mexico's only way of attracting foreign capital is through cheap labour.
>>57993292
I agree. Usually manufacturs tend to find their own niche in the free market. Switzerland is the best example,their economy is so free that its manufacturing is extremelly specialized,which has lead to great quotas of prosperity. But for Mexico to find this niche,it needs to open the economy as much as it can,Chile should be Mexico's role model
>>57993467
Bingo.
>>57993467
Cheap labor provided by american companies that are more than willing to pull out when it's time for wages to rise. While the Asian Tigers, japan, and the Western powers industrialized with NATIVE industries with a state the protected their industries, Mexico accepts America industries that they don't hardly tax and let their local industry compete on the same terms with well established US firms. Hence why they haven't developed for shit.
>>57987285
>argentina so low
i really dont know how
>>57993573
South Korea should be Mexico's model of economic progress. Mexico has the U.S's vicinity, their capital and their attention (same as Korea did), solid resources and the possibilities to thrive in a chemical-petroleum surroundings. Only this requires revamping and redefining the Mexican nation as well. Which would be a welcome addition. Shape the people through the economy
>>57989666
mexico better tan cordoba?
really?
>>57985283
Lets ask nick cage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvFcURVQCi0
>>57987285
HahahaahhahahjHHhahahahHAHhahaHAHA
Fucking SAVAGES
Teletiranía
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9BL_YX7ftM
>>57987285
>Peru
>Ecuador
>Bolivia
>Chile
Glorious andean law enforcement.
>>57995445
To be honest both in rural peru and in bolivia murders are not really informed.
But Peru is getting pretty safe, went there last december, backpacking in peru was consiodered risky 10 years ago, now is really safe (if you don't include being killed by a car).
>>57986708
Baja California confirmed for best place in Mexico.
How do you guys think Mexico would have turned out had the Insurgents emerged victorious? Like if Hidalgo, Morelos or Guerrero had defeated the peninsular government.
>>57993965
Oh yes, I remember hearing that Mexico and South Korea were pretty similar during the 70's or 60's. And they are now a first world nation, and well, we are Mexico. Although they have less population and easier landmass, so there's that.
>>57992528
Amerindians and mestizos were not the same as the average pleb in Spain, they still get treated like shit to this day.
>>57987285
Rest of Latin America are you even trying?
>>57997716
Probably still pretty shit.
>>57999686
the 300.000 gorillions was what fucked us up
>>57985283
3-1
>>58000139
>>57999697
Probably even worse desu
>>57985283
Mexico is worse than Syria.
You got all these wikipedia experts and autists trying to explain why Mexico is shit: it's the economy, it's the US, it's colonialism, it's global warming.
Mexico is shit because Mexicans are all brown and stupid.
>>58002462
Y-you too
>>57985283
The people are nice. The country is a shithole.
>>57985283
Depends, goes from nice place to deep shithole to dangerous place.
Northwest is "Safe", Baja california gets fucked up every now and then.
North, northeast, west, central and south mexico are places you should avoid.
East is a somewhat good place, Southeast is ridden with immigrants.
>>58002787
>central
>>58002787
>Baja california gets fucked up every now and then.
By hurricanes.
Sonora loves you, you are our shield.
>>58002816
Hi DF anon.
>>58002834
Hello.
>>57985283
yes it is. Mexicans are a peasant race. Only meant to serve. The new world order allows them to brag about being hard workers but they are no job creators.
>>57993965
South Korea relied too much on having an authorotarian goverment and US money. Chile seems more feasable to me
>>57993855
Mexican companies are getting more competitive too. And deslocating factories is more expensive than you may think.
>>57990438
>>57990722
>>57991121
I think you are both forgetting that Miguel Hidalgo rebelled against King Joseph Bonaparte, not Ferdinand
>>58002787
>central
>places you should avoid.
>bajio
>not GOAT
>>57990566
you like drone strikes?
>>57990831
did you know that one of the most famous mexican mafia members was a coratian-american?
>>58006954
*croatian*
>>57985283
if you're pretty headstrong it's alright
