Why don't Irish people want to speak their language? What's the problem?
>>57689451
Gaylick unfortunately serves almost no purpose aside from muh heritage. The Irish, at least in terms of language, were firmly cucked by the Anglos. Such is life
irish language is ugly and difficult to pronounce
>>57689451
No purpose.
>>57689908
>>57690017
irish is more beautiful than english
literally everyone speaks this abomination nowadays
>>57689451
No ideas. Finns managed pretty well against Swedish and Russian rule. Guess the English language just hit harder than you'd think.
>>57690017
>difficult to pronounce
Not really, it's just not written phonetically at all.
>'Tiocfaidh ár lá'
>'Chucky ar la'
>>57690558
>irish is more beautiful than english
This is the most autistic post I've read on /int/ today
Irish is gay
>>57691028
>unitedstatian
>>57689451
There is no point in speaking it unless you are a medieval language enthusiast, i.e you have autism.
Does it matter? Am I less of an Irish person for thinking so? No
>>57691402
Oh and I might add, Irish people and eastern europeans probably have a different perspective on it since retaining their languages was the only protest they made
>>57691402
>Am I less of an Irish person for thinking so?
yes
>>57691785
>mfw eastern europeans think language autism is a legitimate form of resistance instead of actual resistance
I've got a joke for you:
Is Latvian man car breaks down. He see nearby barn to shelter in. He enters, and sees farmers daughter. Oh! Hot Stuff!
But she has already been rape by soldier.
>>57689451
Fairly difficult (initially) spelling. Difficult grammar to learn to begin. Small number of speakers.
It's a shame as I speak Welsh. I'd encourage people to learn it.
>>57691402
Stop bullying your language
>>57692042
what does this have to do with eastern europeans?
>>57692106
I'm not good at languages
>>57692140
Because you are a latvian
>>57689451
The 1922 counterrevolution brought the self-hating West Brits to power. We are slowly overturning this, but it will take decades if not centuries to set things right.
>>57691402
Yes you are. If you reject Irish you literally have no culture left of your own
>>57692226
nice bantz
>>57692398
>i'm not Irish because I reject the culture of menopausal psycopath Irish teachers and middle class 2 week gaelschoil holidays
Go fuck yourself
>>57692545
>le "I failed at learning Irish because it was taught wrong" meme
>>57691402
you are worse than us
>>57692270
Hope so. There's something about Irish people/culture I like
>>57692659
I passed it yet I cant speak it, how is it being taught right?
>>57692666
I have a very clear Irish identity since I work in Northern Ireland and face anti-Irish racism every single day. Does it matter if I dont speak some language nobody speaks? I dont think so, I'm probably more Irtish than most.
>>57691028
>implying it's not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlYkfUGfvFY&list=WL
>>57692829
You did the absolute bare minimum and then gave up?
>>57691402
honestly yes. it's depressing to me that this seems to be the general sentiment of the irish.
you complain about getting cucked by brits, everyone is taught of the struggles of ireland, yet you don't want to preserve something that's purely yours.
there's no reason to not at least want a bilingual ireland.
No amount of patriotism could revive a language in a country where everyone already speaks the international lingua franca. It's only going to get harder as time goes on and internet penetration and the effects of globalisation increase.
>>57693310
Most Irish people are lazy as fuck and blame all of their shortcomings on external factors. I think this is a catholic thing
>>57693413
if israel could do it, why not ireland?
>>57693309
I was forced to study it for 14 years in school, passed the final exam after 14 years and yet I cant speak a word of it. Does that sound like a well planned system to you? Can YOU speak it motherfucker?
>>57693511
So you trudged through your education with a shitty lethargic attitude and now you wonder why you have not retained it?
And you have the gall to blame anyone else for this?
>>57693472
Israelis didn't all speak the lingua franca when they decided to revive Hebrew. And immigrant Jews came from a variety of countries so they had a need for a common language.
>>57693747
then we just need to kill english
>>57692961
It's definitely better than Welsh.
>>57692153
Because you're not learning them for long enough.
You weren't born fluent in English.
>>57693747
thats not even remotely similar to Irelands current situation
>>57693840
and raise spanish
Irish language was forbidden under English rule for a long time,then the famine happened. People spoke Irish in the countryside because there wasn't really any police to monitor it,but many were bilingual in cities because of British businesses and trade. They would speak English for business and Irish at home (like modern day India). Then the famine happened. Millions upon millions died and emigrated. The famine mostly affected the rural areas and people who spoke the language either died or moved to America where Irish was useless. Then once it was over, the rural areas where extremely underpopulated and Irish was becoming less and less spoke in cities. When the war of independence started,the Black and Tans would beat or kill anyone who spoke Irish. So nobody in the city would dare speak it and people in the countryside would try but eventually the black and tans would find out and kill them. So now you have an entire generation of children who never spoke the language and never learned it because it was forbidden. Then once the war of independence was over and Ireland "won" we were still a commonwealth with the King as head so British trade and immigration continued. Efforts were made to have more Irish speakers and they succeeded but as time went on and multinational companies started blooming and American media was made,English became more and more useful but Irish was pointless. Fast-forward to today where it is bearly spoken because all of Europe can speak English now so there was no benefit economically or socially.
Our English is slightly different to Anglo-english however. We speak Hiberno-english which is the same except we indoctrinated Irish words to our everyday use.
>>57693947
That's my point.
>>57693680
If everyone in Ireland goes through similar education but still no-one actually speaks Irish then maybe the problem lies somewhere other than the vast majority of the population having a 'shitty lethargic attitude'.
>>57693963
tl;dr The Famine basically killed our language.
>>57693917
both are pretty nice tbqpafh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhG8btO_RKY
>>57694091
The problem is that there is no reason to speak it, it has no modern words for modern concepts. The clostest analogy that comes to mind is the Maori word for telephone: "taki-taki"
>>57694235
Sounds better when sung.
>>57692754
That's probably your autism.
what was the brits fuckin problem anyways cucking ireland like that?
>>57694444
Mum I got quads.
>>57694444
hey lad ive been to ireland
>>57689451
There's something sickening about Irish. The English letters give Irish a familiar look but the marks and senseless ordering of the letters make it queer and barbaric.
>>57694685
It's rooted in medieval attitudes of genocide, they wanted to clear out all the people to turn it into a big farm with more food for themselves
As the Romans always knew, the expansion and maintaining of one's language is the surest way to keep one's civilization alive. Despite a wide variety of languages from the lands they conquered, they were still successful in making Latin the only language of all government and military, even in the east. However the Irish are too lazy to even have their government and military speaking Irish, so it's only a matter of time until reabsorbtion into the superior kingdom next door.
>>57689451
It was banned twice by our close friends across the water
>>57694293
Most languages face the same problem.
What do you think Indians or Russians do when some new object or concept comes into existence?
>>57693917
Some of those words are very similar to italian. Finestr is finestra here.
>>57695146
blaming your failures on events that happened 200 years+ ago is Arab-tier as fuck desu
>>57695197
Those are countries with 100,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 people
>>57694920
That's because it's supposed to be written like this
>>57695342
Irrelevant
Latin once had less speakers than Irish does today
Nobody forced the Irish to abandon gaylick and adopt English, they did it themselves. The Anglo-Irish ruling class gave zero fucks what the nig nogs ouside the Dublin Pale spoke.
>>57695342
hello there, irrelevant nation reporting from a device that is not a loan word in my language
>>57695062
>one's language is the surest way to keep one's civilization alive
Your wife's son speaking your language is the surest way to keep your family line going.
>>57695525
Slovenia didn't have 800 years of genocide and anti-Slovenian language laws though
>>57694685
>protestant reformation happens
>be protestant nation with tense relations with a bunch of catholic nations
>rebellious catholic nation right next door
>gather some protestants from the anglo-scottish borders and drop them in ulster
>have them seize some land and forbid them from employing anyone besides other planters or irish who convert to protestantism and speak english
>hey this 'colonialism' thing isn't bad, let's go try it somewhere else
>fuck colonising the rest of ireland, we empire now
>we need the irish's food more than they need their food, irish leave to live elsewhere
>accidentally spread a hundred gazillion potato niggers throughout the empire
>world war one
>oh fuck we forgot about ireland
>empire is kill
wew
Many people there probably view irish as old-fashioned and useless. English is amongst the most spoken language in the world and is the language of all the movies and music from the United States while irish is probably just spoken by a few people in remote rural areas in Ireland.
>>57695215
That's a loan word from Latin.
>>57695455
>Penal Laws of 1660
>No person of the popish religion shall publicly or in private houses teach school, or instruct youth in learning within this realm
This killed literary Irish
But which is the best?
>>57695669
>Slovenia didn't have 800 years of genocide and anti-Slovenian language laws though
>>57695830
But what about all the GOOD things we did for you?
>>57694235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WnFW5mgPbk
Dia daoibh, a chairde. Is mise an anon le Gaeilge líofa.
>>57695976
Nothing like what happened in Ireland though, I mean I'd be lying if if I said I was an expert in Slovenian history but it cant have been that bad when your language still exists. Either that, or the circumstances are different. If Germany had won WW1 I'm sure there would be no Slovenian language today but I'm just speaking out of ignorance here.
>>57696234
Understand every word yet cant speak a word of Irish since thats babbies first Irish lesson
>>57696230
>"To be" isn't morphed when used as an auxilliary verb
literally Tarzan tier
>>57696168
> But what about all the GOOD things we did for you?
What, like the time Cromwell and his friends exterminated 50% of our population because we didn't join his fanatical fundamentalist religion?
Cromwell and his NMA were literally the ISIS tier
>>57696242
anglicisation or germanisation or italianisation have nothing to do with the usage of modern loanwords, at least not in this context. On the other hand, russians were never under any threat of systematic repression, yet ever since Peter the Great, they took on an incredible amount of loan words.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is this >>57694293
is a shit excuse.
>>57692829
How do you say modern stuff in Irish, like "internet" or "electricity"? Do you use the English word or do you pull a made-up word out of your collective arse like the French do?
>>57696768
Idirlin
Leictreach
>>57696768
An t-idirlíon is the Internet. Electricity is leictreachas which is just an Irish version of the English word. There's actually a word in Irish that describes that - béarlachas.
>>57693840
Give me a good reason
>>57696657
As the (you) I'd say you are a bitch nigga and no Slovenian ever laid his life on the line for his country because he was too much of a bitch. We have a proud lineage of psychopaths who butchered their neighbours in a hail of bullets for perceived slights, what the fuck do you have? >muh language?
>>57696768
m8, the word electricity has a greek root
>>57696657
I don't get this ideal of linguistic purism that my countrymen love so much.
Irish is supposed to be a living language and all living languages import loanwords. Language should be a tool that you use and abuse every day, not some precious gem to be kept up on a high pedestal and looked at every once in a while
>>57689451
At least they're not as cucked as Scotland. Those guys aren't even a country any more.
>>57696768
Internet and electricity are made up pseudo greco-latin words, hardly pure english
>>57696768
>An t-idirlíon is the Internet
How was that arrived at? Does it actually mean anything or is it just a new jumble of letters deemed to sound Irish enough by some sort of panel?
>>57696968
While I generally agree with you, I think it's lazy to use a loanword when there is a perfectly reasonable way to construct the word using the language's own roots.
Often though, it can't be done and in those cases, it's quite okay to just use the loanword.
It's mostly just an aesthetic thing I guess.
>>57696951
no, (You)!
>>57697168
They just make up stuff desu
>>57697044
The only country ever to turn down their own independence. At least the Irish fought and the Welsh preserved their language and culture.
>>57696968
Good point but there are many ways to it.
Either direct copy and paste or you make the term up in your own language if the word doesn't flow well by using other words to consist of it.
>>57690962
Tfw I looked it up and it really is pronounced like that...fugg and I thought French pronounciation rules were hard to learn. Chucky ar la
Irish teachers are abysmal. The only way to get a kid to learn Irish to a sufficient level is to send them to an Irish school but Irish schools are abysmal at everything that isn't Irish, so the kid ends up borderline retarded. Lesser of two evils really. Planning on teaching to my kids alongside English to solve this issue.
>>57697168
Yes
>>57697583
An bhfuil Gaeilge agat?
>>57697342
They wanted to remain in a union with 3 other countries. Who could blame them, the Union is lovely.
>>57691402
Yes you are and a cuck on top of it. Faggot
>>57691402
>>57694920
>English letters
wat
>>57694920
Latin letters.
>>57691402
Meme iontach a chara, thar barr.
>>57692948
You're from Boston?
>>57697671
Learning. Got the same problem I've had with every language I've ever learned, I can read the fuckers with ease within a few weeks of starting. Takes me fucking yonks to write and speak it. I don't know why my brain can't formulate sentences properly in other languages. I might just be retarded.
Bring back Old English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfaEGU45lKA
>>57694920
>English letters
>>57697760
>>57697880
>>57697886
Go fuck yourselves, I am a monolingual english speaker and more Irish than 98% of so called Irish people
>>57697692
>northern Ireland is a country
lmao
>>57697993
No bully. We deserve to be a country for the sheer fact that we've managed to resist cultural Marxism and kept fag marriage out.
>>57697880
Go raimh maith agat chun Gaeilge a fhoghlaim. Tá daoine ann gan bród ar ár dteanga.
>>57697895
Honestly, you'll get the hang of it. Try do a week in the Gealtach and you'll be speaking it reasonably well. My hardest issue was bí/is and sentences with two or more verbs. But, the more you learn, the easier it is.
>>57697993
Best Irish accent.
>>57697992
>Does it matter if I an irish man does not speak my own language?
ftfy
and yes it does.
>>57690558
>Why are you Gauls speaking Latin, don't you know Celtic is your heritage!! No one will be speaking kindly of Latin in the future! It is an ugly tongue! No one and I mean no one, will ever one day call this the language of love! You cucks!!! Stop speaking latin!!!
>You 2000 years ago
>>57697796
Take some English letters
>wat
Pepper it with crap
>'wát`
Give it unpronounceable consonant clusters
>nl'wátp`
Give it strange dipthongs
>nl'wáiotp`
There, you have Irish.
>>57698233
>English letters.
Also there's no w in the Irish alphabet.
>>57697796
>>57697954
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_alphabet
>>57698233
>English letters
>>57697168
>An t-idirlíon
>An
Definite article, 'the'
>t-
Grammatical construct. An initial 'i' can't come after a final 'n' in Irish, so a t is put in there to separate them
>idir
Between, connecting. Compare with Latin 'inter-'
>líon
Line, thread, net
>>57698386
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet
>>57698233
>nl'wáiotp
Pronounced: Greeve.
>>57698465
Good job but that doesn't mean the English alphabet doesn't exist autist
>>57698386
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
>>57698115
No it's actually quite horrible
>>57698079
But If you were part of us then you could help resist against the leftists ;_;
>>57696951
>We have a proud lineage of psychopaths who butchered their neighbours in a hail of bullets for perceived slights, what the fuck do you have? >muh language?
OF! OF! OF! OF!
TUJEGA NOČEMO, SVOJEGA NE DAMO!
NAROD SI BO PRAVICO VZEL SAM!
etc. etc. It's that time of year when such things are dusted off and commemorated, you see.
>>57697206
>While I generally agree with you, I think it's lazy to use a loanword when there is a perfectly reasonable way to construct the word using the language's own roots.
Nothing wrong with this
t. Croatian linguist
>>57698233
>Irish is the Polish of extinct languages
Alright, but then why must we look at shit like 'wszysztko' on /int/'s front page every single day? I wish all the stupid meme languages would go away.
>>57698571
>No it's actually quite horrible
For you.
>>57698079
This. They even qualified for Euro 2016.
>>57698571
If we were a part of you, we'd also have queer marriage. Go back to being Catholic, xenophobic nationalists and we'll think about reunification then.
>>57698571
>Quite horrible
Reckon you're thinking of specifically the Belfast accent. qts in places like Newry sound qt as fuck.
>>57698603
Yeah but I bet you were not as hardcore as us. Reading about the history of "the troubles" and certain massacres which happened in recent memory, the details of which would turn your stomach because they were done in the name of nationalism, is very much not conductive to the current argument
>>57698706
>eyepatch russia
literally who
>>57698896
Yeah I was desu. My mistake
>>57698803
Im afraid the multiculturalists are too ingrained in our society now
>>57699025
It was nice knowing you lads tbqh. The gay marriage vote was the final nail in the coffin of my Irish Nationalism.
>>57699131
Sinn Fein aren't a nationalist party anymore and will never get my vote.
Gerry says their aim is to create a "progressive Ireland"
>>57699131
What's wrong with queerbags and faggots?
>>57698105
Is breá liom é, mo chara.
>>57699390
Mar mise chomh maith, a chara.
>>57699323
Likewise lad. Both sides of the border need a right wing Irish Nationalist party.
>>57699348
They're disgusting queerbags and faggots. Marriage isn't a right. Marriage still means something here. Divorce rate is like 16% on the island. Watch your side of the island's rate skyrocket, normalising divorce and leading to a fuckton of single mothers raising little criminal cunts.
I love how you ask the question as if we're all literally refusing to speak our native tongue, like it's some disease, then on comes the british acting like they played no part in it, and are proud of their history and aren't also cucked to the highest order. /int/(segregation) is absolute cancer, kill yourselves please.
>>57698896
>Yeah but I bet you were not as hardcore as us.
We did slaughter 10.000 or so of our own people after the war for being collaborators. Then we declared anyone who had been so much as interned by Nazis to be a traitor, kids included, and banned them from social respectability for the rest of their lives.
>>57699003
Do you think it's the language that makes so many Poles want to emigrate? Are you in truth fleeing those massive clumps of borrowed Western consonants arranged into an order that would make even Slavs queasy?
why speak irish when you can speak the language of commerce
sure have your heritage but in the larger scheme of things not alot of people speak irish well alot more people speak English, Chinese, and Spainish.
If your out in the world your probably gonna run into someone that speak those three. Irish one in a million.
>>57699529
You literally cant handle the bant(z)
>>57689451
Because if they speak Irish no Englishman would understand their long but fun rants against England.
>>57700220
Plus they have Joyce, better than pretty much every English writer.
>>57692659
That's not a meme, you fucking faggot nigger.
>>57700324
Tbf, it's taught awfully. But regardless, I learned it myself.
>I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.
>>57700562
Joyce was a west brit, I dont know why you New Worlders fellate him
>>57700300
That's a very /lit/ thing to claim.
>>57700562
>Joyce
Brits and the Irish are a carcinogenic stain on fiction literature
And no, before you start "muh Orwell, muh Shelley, muh Chaucer, Shakespeare, Wordsworth". Leave fiction to the French, Russians, Italians. Brits and Germans are good at non fiction. Stay in non-fiction
Stop liking what I dislike
>>57700955
>croatia
How about "muh dick"
>>57701080
The English are innumerably better than the Irish and the Scots, let alone the Welsh
>>57700955
Imo only Brits and Americans should write fiction. The French are too autistically invested in material detail and the Russians are too interested in politics and sociology. The Brits have a way of portraying the surface of everyday life without going to extremes and agitating for some sort of revolution. And history, I think, has vindicated them: the continent has replaced or paired literature with the social sciences, and only in the Anglosphere is it still alive and kicking in its pure, 19th century form.
The Irish are alright as writers though, they're surrealists and humourists. Scandis are close to Brits in their literary sensibilities, so I like them too, and the Italians, even Germans, have produced works that explore form rather than ideology. But by god, keep the Russian and French classics and their academic supporters here on the Balkans far away from me.
