What is the different between Israeli and Jews?
>>57621077
israel is a country
judaism is a religion
some israelis aren't jewish and some jews aren't israeli
fuck them all though
not all Jews are Israeli
not all Israelis are Jewish
I thought Japanese people were smart. I guess South Korea really is better.
>>57621157
>>57621167
then what identity do people living in Israel who don't believe Judaism have?
Why do they live there?
>>57621595
We call ourselves Israelis. Just like Turks living in Germany, despite it being homeland of the Germans.
And why not live here? Everything around Israel is shit, Europe is going to shit and I like it better here than in the US. I know that Jews served the countries where they lived and were often big patriots, why can't we do the same here?
And Jews don't see themselves as "religion". They say that they're a nationality that's interconnected with unique religion- with the later being depended on the former, but the former not on the later.
>>57621595
Because we were born here. Some 30 of Israelis are atheists.
The early Zionists were utopian socialists and in many cases fedoras; they thought the Jewish religion was superstitious nonsense that kept them confined to a shtetl. One could say that they were close to Ataturk's secular Turkish nationalism in their beliefs.
>>57625618
When the jew burkas first came our socialist forefathers accepted them because they wanted to gather all of the jews in Israel, believing that in a generation the penguins would all be converted into proper Israelis, muscular farmers and warriors instead of feeble torah-reading exiles. What happened is that they have slowly, our generations, outbred the socialists and are now taking over the country. How foolish were we to not see the threat. Now Israel is fucked. Not because of any external foe - we've always beaten those - but due to a cancer from within.
>>57621077
You damn moron
>>57622305
Can non ethically Jewish people convert to Judaism? Are they seen as not real Jews by your people generally?
In the US, One is loved by conservatives because they are white, the other is loved by liberals because they keep big blue states blue.
Personally I know a bunch of Jews who hate or feel nothing about Israel and are still close friends with me despite the fact that I have a Palestinian flag in my room
>>57626468
It is actually commonly thought here that American jews largely despise Israel because they are liberals and Israel is a very conservative state.
>>57626308
Shut up France. Japanese don't generally care/learn about the outside world and Jews aren't mentioned there like they are in the west all the time
>>57626462
Clearly they can and they have. I mean have you seen Persian Jews, my GF is one and she looks more Persian than the Ayatollah.
Orthodox are typically leery about it, but conservatives and reforms are always willing to welcome new members (it's kinda hard and you have to do a lot, but some people do it).
>>57626259
>foolish not to see that
shut the fuck up trying to sound like you know what you're talking about. It was totally unexpected
>>57626538
A lot go on birthright, my gf did it (cause muh free trip), it only made her hate Israel.
>>57626462
There is a big split about this very subject in Israel. Secular Israelis only care about the ethnic component and view Israel as an ethnic state with no special religious meaning. Religious Israeli jews see jewishness as, well, religious. But a lot of the religious jews belong to the far right and so are very racist and thus kind of reject certain ethnicities as being unable to become jews. Fucked up, I know.
>>57626694
your gf seems like a stupid uncultured bitch, and also spoiled af. I wouldn't touch either of you toxic people with a barb pole.
>>57626468
why would you taint your room with the flag of a non-country in your
>>57626694
Haha, the feeling is usually mutual as far as the left-leaning Israelis go because Birthright is a right-controlled organization which is meant to brainwash right-leaning American jews and import them here, thus earning the right more votes.
>>57626766
>Israel
>culture
Wew lad even your neighbours dwarf you in culture
>>57626766
>Stupid
She's actually really smart, we met at a good uni and she's in med school
>Uncultured
Yeah, no. She just hated the people, she's always had problems with other Jews though, she spent most of her childhood in a Muslim country with few Jews so it kinda makes an impact on the way she sees the world.
>Bitch
Only sometimes, she's usually pretty nice at least to me
>Spoiled
She's not even close to rich and certainly not spoiled actually, I try to give her nice things but she's content with very little.
Just admit to the fact that your country kinda sucks if someone feels any empathy towards muslims.
>>57621077
What's the difference between the Japanese and Koreans? They both look the same to me.
>>57626935
if by that you mean that they're a bunch of manlets then I agree
>>57626967
You've got muslims living in Israel who know what's good for them and they wouldn't trade Israeli rule for anything.
>>57626935
I'd normally agree that Israel is not a very artistic nation but if you compare us to the rest of the middle east we absolutely do come ahead. We fall behind just about every European nation though. Israel is primarily good at tech and science and little else.
Judaism is a religion.
Israeli is a nationality.
Like asking the difference between Shinto and Japanese.
>>57627050
Yeah, but there is racism against them and then there's the whole Palestine situation. Muslims have to stay at 20% of the population, it's not like they can fuck or immigrate their way into relevancy.
Israel may have a few Muslims, but there's also the whole Palestine situation and the "East Jerusalem is Israeli clay"
>>57627263
I wouldn't bet on that. they seem to be cheating their way on the Israeli equivalent of SAT's straight into med school, where they will soon outnumber the jews.
>>57627263
Don't bother arguing with that guy. He sounds like he has his mind made.
>>57627070
Turkey Iraq Egypt are ahead I agree that Jordan Lebanon (better food) gulf countries aren't
Being fair though Israel did amazing things agriculture science and Nobel winners way ahead of 90% of the world even though the country is so young.
>>57627050
>Jews
>Not manlets with big noses
>>57621294
Japan flag is not always real Japanese in /int/.
Maybe 60-70% of Japan flags are not Japanese.
>>57627405
I'm probably taller than you and my nose is straight my dudester. What say you with regards to this?
>>57627391
ahh the voice of reason is here to do his little hasbara routine
They have big nose because air is free
Both are shit
>>57627489
desu I think the government absolutely should hire me and other /int/ shitposters to do JDF. I would just spend all day dealing hot bants, full time, 6 days a week. By the end of the year we would have full control of the bant market. No one would dare to resist.
>>57627485
Oh yea, I forgot.
>>57627663
except you seem to be doing softcore explanations rather than bantering these plebs into submission
>>57627070
>Turkey
>Iran
>Egypt
>Iraq
>Pre-shitstorm Syria
The Middle East is artistically beautiful... do you really think you can beat the thousands of years old artistic tradition of a place like Iran. I mean the Safavid Empire was founded by a poet. There are some absolutely beautiful Mosques and that's just architecture, you really think some guys who've been there for 100 years can match this... or the Blue Mosque in Turkey?
>>57627767
Imagine the autism needed to do all that.
>>57627766
I got tired of trying to convince people of anything. I am a weary warrior poet of the keyboard. All I want to do is to shitpost and meme in piece. However if the IDF called me and told me I need to serve my country I would return to my old ways and savagely bant goyim on the interwebs.
>>57627767
cool. good thing those 1000 year old poets are the same people that are living in the middle east today!
>>57627878
just do what I did and go atuda-mode. Spend the best years of your life shitposting in between study sessions
>>57627767
Is it really fair to attribute ancient architecture, art and poetry to the modern form of these countries? Only Turkey has an active art scene of any significance nowadays.
>>57627841
It used to be that rich people (especially in more fiscally responsible conservative cultures) didn't want to spend their money lavishly. Spending your money lavishly would just get people to try to leech off you. So they would contribute all of or a lot of their money into building or contributing into the building of Mosques. Also Sultans and Shahs would build them to please the public, show off the country's or city's wealth. Obviously a lot of autism goes into any building like that
>>57626259
not only on a religious level, but also the large influx of mizrahim changed the secular culture of israel, and "orientalized" the country, while before it was pretty much ultra-western
>>57621595
I dont know. Nobody likes them or wants them here. They usually do our low paying and hard labor jobs that Jews don't want to do, such as cleaning, construction workers, supermarkets cashiers, etc
>>57627909
It was like 500 years ago, but whatever. There is still a good artistic tradition especially in architecture... you gotta admit Azadi Tower is pretty good looking
>>57628133
>Implying haridim aren't primarily unemployed durkahs and rusim aren't primarily doctors and teachers
anon..
>>57628159
looks kinda gaudy desu. Kind of like the islamic-theocracy flavor of soviet brutalism
>>57628209
spotted the russian
tahzor le rusia
>>57627767
>>57628159
I think a lot of the old stuff is really cool looking.
>>57628232
leh laavod aluka :)
>>57628209
Haridim work by praying. Don't lie about you Russians, you came here with fake certificates and they only let you work as doctors because they didn't want to discriminate you. Your younger generation is mostly illiterate. Most of the prostitues and house cleaners in Israel are Russian or east European.
>>57628295
hhhh kshe tahzor le volgograd boris
>>57628343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOBqF7p0vcA
>>57628232
It was built like 8 years before the Iranian Revolution that brought the Ayatollah into power by the secular friend of the USA and Israel Muhammad Reza Pahlavi.
But even post revolutionary painting and that whatnot are pretty good in Iran, and that's just one country. The same can be said about Turkey and pretty much everywhere but the Saudis
>>57628249
Neither of those are particularly old, the Pink Mosque was finished in 1888, I mean I guess that's old, but on the scale if history that's after the First Aliyah
>>57628343
>Work by praying
LARPing isn't work Anon.
>Don't lie about you Russians, you came here with fake certificates and they only let you work as doctors because they didn't want to discriminate you.
Bullshit. They don't let you use soviet diplomas. My mother had to do all of the tests all over again.
>Most of the prostitues and house cleaners in Israel are Russian or east European.
That would be mizrahim senpai.
>>57628457
that makes even more sense since he was a borderline commie. He's a good guy but that thing is kind of bleh imho
>>57628623
I wouldn't call Muhammad Reza a commie by any means, I mean he pretty much came to power by capitulating the Oil fields to BP (then the Anglo Iranian Oil Company), there were some social democratic programs and if you're basing commie off of the USSR SAVAK was very similar to the KGB (though at the time the FBI and CIA weren't much better, the CIA in fact much worse). He only came to power because the US and Churchill thought that Mossadegh was too much of a commie as he wanted to nationalize the oil fields.
Both before and after the revolution Iran was very much a capitalist state, it flirted with pseudo-socialism under Mossadegh, but the US deposed him and brought back the Shah (destroying democracy)
Some Israelis have foreskin. No Jew has foreskin.
That's the main difference.
Israelis are 99% brown. European and American Jews are more white looking.
>>57621077
i will translate the words in english.
Israel=Wrestling/Struggeling with G-d
Jew(Yahudi)= Someone who Admit, Knows and Thanks.(related to G-d)
Hebrew(Evri)= "One sided" hes on the otherside of the river.(opposition)
t:iam not a jew tho, i study them
A problem I have with Israel, they got rid of Yiddish a great Germanic language for a pretty much dead language
>>57629285
It was in an effort to forge a new kind of Israeli. See
>>57626259
>>57628933
Israel was a small garden created by Stalin to spread communism to arabs, but the leaders betrayed him and went with the british empire(aka USA(UK)) for money, now they suffer a lot and hated all over the place.
>>57629510
You're confusing the order of the events. Stalin opposed Israel right until it was actually a thing.
>>57626259
i can tell you that this is fuking bullshit.
1 torah reading jews came to israel waaaaaay before the state, they bought all the swamps from beduins for pennies(it was europian jews tho)
2 when yemeni jews came to israel the zionists cut off their sidelocks and put them into kibutzcamp and didnt allow them to have religion fed them pork etc. most jails are with those kids cuz they dont know religion.
3 ben gurion made a law the jews who want to study can study torah in order to prevail jewish traditions and nation spirit, "no torah no israel"
4 herzl and his gang wanted to stop antisemitism and create a jewish state anywhere, he had a different plan before, he wanted to convert all jews to catholicism to stop antisemitism.
>>57629499
Herzl's flaw was nationalism, him and the early Zionists thought that they could create a state based on religion and keep it moderately socialist. As Yugoslavia proved Nationalism will kill socialism
Not a Trotskyist but he wrote a decent essay on Zionism that tl;dr says "Shit like that won't work until there is global socialism, or else it will degrade into nationalism, if a bunch of Jews wanted to live with each other after people's natures changed with socialist education and economy it could work, but the Zionists are gonna be fucked"
He ended up being right.
>>57628343
Is it true that Israel-born Jews don't like new repatriates from post-USSR?
>>57629510
The Balfour Declaration that created Israel happened a few months before the October Revolution and was done by the British in a haphazard way to attempt to get German and Austro-Hungarian Jews to defect and stop fighting as they would be like "Sweet I don't gotta be with these Krauts anymore"
It didn't work, but it created Israel. Stalin and Truman both recognized Israel on the same day and their relationship largely deteriorated when Israel got too close to the US and became more capitalistic than what the early Zionists envisioned.
That being said, all the people who attacked Israel were non-aligned and closer with the Yugoslavians than with the Soviets
>>57629636
no
(you) are confuseing the order of events.
Israel State was his idea and plan long time ago, he opposed it cuz jews betray him and went with the british empire. meaning he was opposing it because british took control and zionist went for the money like whores. it created inner fighting in soviet union and it collapsed.
stalin->israel to spread commuism to arabs->jews betray him->take british gold and money(aka USA(british empire))->stalin butthurt sent all jews to siberia->lots of inner fighting->soviet union collaps.
>>57629885
There was a lot of anti-Russian racism back when I first came over here. There is some even now, but only about as much as there is against any minority. Russians are probably the best-off racial group in Israel after Ashkenazim.
>>57629885
They only like them because they fuck with Palis by living in the Settlements and vote for Bibi
>>57630078
Zionism started at the end of the 19th century, back when Stalin wasn't Stalin.
>>57630078
This is just so wrong it's sad... I don't know how you could be so wrong
>>57629756
>2
Never heard of that.. I know they tried to force them to be secular, taking off their sidelocks but forcing them to eat not Kosher? Strange.
>3
He made that law thinking there will always be around 500 ultra religions Jews that will keep the Jewish religion safe, he expected Israel to be almost completely secular in the future.
>>57629885
read >>57630113
Even though I heard some say of the Russian Israelis to seem to show little effort to fit in and that people don't like, that they don't care about Israel, they just saw it as a place to escape the collapsing USSR using some Jewish heritage.
There is a stigma that they stick together in groups and only speak Russian with each other so no one can understand them, at work, in the office, in the army/etc. All I can say I never really got to meet those kind of Russians and that I have many Russian friends and they aren't at all like what I just described.
>>57630217
No, zionist idea was a plan to destroy islamic world and spread athiesm aka communism to arabs. Stalin had this idea of creating israeli state or a "jewish communist military base" in arab world.
jews went their way(money, greed) now british empire try to destroy arabs with "democracy!"
>>57630968
>>57629756
cool story bro
i like how you use so many obvious lies in such creative ways
>>57630586
good for you talking to an actual nazi, you cuck. feeding off of all his false arguments even though he had 0 sources to back up his replies.
>>57630586
why do you think you dont know that ? they wont tell you the truth....
i know a famous zionist leader who shot religious jews which came with a boat because they didnt fit in his few.
hitler wanted to exchange jews for medical trucks from the zionists, but they refused.
zionists=satanist
satan hates religions especially muslims and jews, so he wants to destroy them in one big blow.
>>57631252
>/pol/ infographs
>/pol/
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>double
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>spacing
Gee, I wonder where you came from.
>>57631174
you are russian, you dont care about jewish souls, i do care.
i dont lie tho
>>57631396
fuck off you butthurt faggot
>>57631317
hmmmm, boogidi woogidi booo.
>>57631417
go back to the steppe you antisemetic russian pork eater!
>>57631468
>>57631515
fuck off you /pol/ shill
>>57630968
>spread athiesm aka communism to arabs.
Implying it's a bad idea
Totalitarian communism is the only thing that can destroy mudslims.
>>57631537
i honestly never visit /pol/
why are you scared of the truth ?
>>57631648
you sound /mad/ :^)
>>57631599
it is in progress. thanks to ISIS, more and more people feel disgusted by islam especially the youths.
also the leader of Al Qaida ayman Zawahiri is a russian agent of fsb, trained in dagestan.
>>57631672
i feel dull and relaxed cuz i eat nice food, given by the heavenly father.
>>57631826
don't lie just tell us why are you so /angry/? :^)
>>57631892
iam not angry.
so back on topic.
israel state aka zionism was created in order to destroy jewish religion(israel) and arab religion(ishmael)
zionists aka satanist worship the false deity called lucifer, so they are opposing Adonei or Allah, aka Monotheism(believe in one Deity) in order to please their "angel of light" aka lucifer, satan, devil the opposer.
the last remaining nazions are israel and ishmael, this is why they fabricate a war between them in order to establish a NEW SECULAR ORDER, aka novus ordo seclorum.
this is why they try to make muslims look bad terrorist and haredim look like lazy people who only read books all day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqy7B4yFP54
