How do american right wingers deal with the only cool people being left wing?
Willie nelson, jimmi hendrix, the beatles, the doors all left wing...
Right wing people, Hitler, Stalin, George Bush and hill billies and neo nazis.
How do you live with that?
stop listening to dad rock
>right wing
>Stalin
wow
>>57506492
The right wing has Ted Nugent
>>57506519
>implying he wasn't
authoritarianism is right wing
Who says Hitler isn't cool
>>57506510
I listen to all kinds of music.
go back to /mu/ and stop saying dad rock.
You probably post in K pop threads.
I don't understand why being pro guns is considered right wing.
It's like pro freedom, and anti authoritarian...
>>57506492
They're only "cool" by your own arbitrary metric, they've done nothing of actual prestige or merit. Hitler was pretty cool though, went from being a homeless painter to fuhrer of the third reich. What did Hendrix do? Play a guitar with his teeth and sing about DUDE WEED? pssh.
But yea, pic related is totally cool right? Being a leftist is so cool you guys.
>Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs....Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"
>>57506584
>authoritarianism is right wing
It can be left or right, stalin was left wing authoritarian
>>57506670
OP is a retard and doesn't know what he's talking about
>hippies were left wing
holy shit I never realized!
>>57506736
>It can be left or right, stalin was left wing authoritarian
there's no meaningful distinction between right and left wing authoritarians. The difference is in appearance only.
>>57506736
>Stalin was left wing authoritarian
LOL!
>>57506492
I've got two names for you dude: John Wayne and Elvis.
>>57506767
Yea but the USSR was nominally left wing. It's also my understanding that Fascists are a tad more economically liberal than an authoritarian socialist state like the USSR.
>>57506803
Capitalist commodities?
>America was founded on some vague notion of progress
>being somewhat progressive has always been a part of our culture (relative to the times)
>American conservatives are butthurt because they know that going back to older ideals will lead to some form of progress again
I'd suggest you read "The Reactionary Mind", it explains things way better than I can.
>>57506584
Authoritarianism isn't measured left or right, it's measured up or down.
>>57506822
Economics is irrelevant if the means of production are not in the hands of the larger populace. As the power was entirely in the hands of the state in the USSR, there was meaningful difference between it and any other authoritarian regime. Technically, yes - but in function it was fascism just like any other.
>>57506828
>>57506855
No, it was authoritarianist communist regime, not fascist. You don't get redefine things because you think they are fascists.
>>57506907
Use whatever terminology you want, but the people had no power over their own lives and so there was no difference from their perspective - of 99.9% of the population. That is what I mean when I call it fascism. There's just no real difference.
The horseshoe theory is real. So tired of these 20-something Chomsky dicksuckers and stormweenies
Neither contribute anything tangible for society but pages of bitching and moaning about how millions of people need to die for their ideal world
>>57506822
The USSR/CCCP could easily be described as fascist towards its mid/late years. They tried communism and slowly but surely went further from it. If you are talking about fascism in the sense of close business ties between leaders and companies who have monopolies
>>57506830
The whole politics of "progressive" is just a meme. Every single person in their own mind is a "progressive". The truth is the modern movement is ja joke. You also use the word conservative. The progressive movement is not liberal in the classical sense.
>>57506946
You might just as well call nazi germany's regime communist under your pretense then
oh wait that will not do because that was a fascist regime and fascism is always bad, even when it's actually communism! communism is good!
>>57506803
Elvis was making black music and acting sexual promiscuous, encouraging women to act like sluts for fun, he also did drugs.
How is that right wing?
>>57506966
the horsehoe theory is a joke
>>57507006
because right wing ideals are not necessarily only christian morals: the ideology
>>57507006
>black music
>sexual promiscuity
>encouraging sexual promiscuity
>doing drugs
and these have to do with an individual's political beliefs how?
they weren't "cool" because they were left-wing. they were "cool" because they were counter-culture. back then conservatism was mainstream. it's why 4chan started out left-wing as fuck but turned right-wing, because progressivism became the new mainstream. being a "leftist" isn't considered edgy anymore, being "rightwing" is.
>>57506989
If you know literally anything about communism and fascism, which you clearly don't, you will know that they're polar opposites. Communism is in nature a libertarian system. The role of the state as implemented by Lenin and other authoritarian leaders is a complete departure from communist thinking in its original form.
>>57507020
How? Both sides want different things but use the same methods that corrupt any real message or movement the further you go.
>>57506966
Of course progressivism isn't economically classically liberal. They call it classical liberalism because nobody uses "liberal" like the old definition. And no, I don't think progressive politics are a meme. The most consistent thing about progressives and their ideologies is a desire for a reduction of social hierarchy, while conservatives want to preserve it.
>>57507065
I think the dispute between you and that guy is you look at how both sides work in practice, and he's looking at ideology.
ITT: an abstract form of shitposting
>>57507057
No, there's two kinds of gommunism, one is the authoritarian shit in which state decides what you'll do for the next 5 years, the other is anarcho faggotry in which factory or field communes decide what they do for 5 years. The only difference is that anarcho communist regime can't literally never form a coherent society, it's fucking hippie pipe dream
>>57506966
>If you are talking about fascism in the sense of close business ties between leaders and companies who have monopolies
But ideologically they weren't fascists. Fascists aren't just right wing authoritarians, there's a spiritual component to it that was totally lacking in the USSR. Perhaps I'll agree with you that they were at least right wing authoritarians, but they were by no means fascist.
>>57507074
How has a reduction ever worked before? You know as well as I do the progressive movement is not just for better social programs.
You can see much of how social hierarchy works in Europe. It's really not that different from the US, they just have better social programs and healthcare
It's a joke movement
>people are so tribal they'll reply to this making fun of the one or two caricatures they disagree with
>>57507074
>The most consistent thing about progressives and their ideologies is a desire for a reduction of social hierarchy, while conservatives want to preserve it.
No, they don't want a reduction in social hierarchy. They actually want to strengthen it by passing laws that make the lives of the population slightly better so they do not suffer constant abuse from the state capitalist system, which prevents them from revolting when things get too bad for them to bear. Progressivism is meant to placate the working class, not help them. Its intentions are vile in nature.
>>57507107
>The only difference is that anarcho communist regime can't literally never form a coherent society, it's fucking hippie pipe dream
nice memes.
>>57507050
>>57507050
>What does things like being pro black, pro drugs and pro sexual promiscuity have to do with political opinion?
>>57507129
Yes. Just look at how less racist/sexist society has become. Look at how there's generally more income equality in developed nations that poor ones. There are massive variations in social hierarchy between cultures.
>>57507120
>Fascists aren't just right wing authoritarians
Why do you have to flaunt how retarded you are?
![s77062502[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XkJpMOe.jpg "s77062502[1].jpg")
>>57506803
And John Wayne ran like a ponce
>>57507141
>anarcho autist who refuses to recognises differences in any ideology to the right of him
I'm done.
>>57506695
I think he meant "popular" you buttmad person.
>>57507181
Have you even read any fascist literature or just leftist and capitalist-bias writings about it?
I really don't know how anyone could consider a black music making, drug user as right wing...
>>57507190
There's no difference for the people who are forced to live under those regimes. That is all I'm saying. Whatever petty differences you can come up with, fine, I don't dispute that. I don't think it matters in reality though, as long as the population is suffering, like they do in every authoritarian regime, whether it be capitalism, fascism, state communism, or whatever else.
>>57507212
Regardless, he's using popularity as a measure of superiority.
>>57507164
Changing the race doesn't mean anything to me really. It's the same roles but new people of diverse backgrounds. As I said, the progressive movement in modern America is not just for less income inequality and better social programs which I am 100% for, their movement has been hijacked by radicals like many other small movements
>>57507226
It's a fact that fascism means being right wing.
You can't be a fascist and be all like "Freedom for everyone, down with authority"
It doesn't make sense.
>>57507182
elvis was just justin bieber for his time. a pretty white boy cuck who stole all hisdance moves, music, and style from niggers and repackaged it for pleb america. he wasn't leftist or conservative, just a run of the mill hedonist
>>57507257
I think this is probably the most accurate. He did cause a rift in society that helped pave way for the counterculture of the 60s, though.
>>57507253
>It's a fact that fascism means being right wing.
Yes I'm arguing against the people saying the USSR were fascists. Maybe they were right wing, like Fascists, but ideologically they were INCREDIBLY dissimilar.
>>57507257
So he was like a more successful version of vanilla ice?
>>57507249
t. Never lived under anything like segregation
There was a time when people genuinely wanted poor blacks to be below poor whites at almost all costs and were afraid of blacks becoming middle class, which does increase social hierarchy. You can get cynical and say it's all the same and nothing ever changes, but that's just not true.
>>57507253
The modern usage of the term has been so bastardized by Communist-sympathizers it's insane
>>57507343
I think it's more bastardised by rednecks who hate stupid vegan hippies and blame all left wing people for the stupid vegan hippies and their bullshit that even other left wing people hate.
Lmao these people didn't care about politics at all. Things become cancerous when you start identifying yourself with a political group rather than your own personality. Identity politics is killing America
>>57507257
He only took that stuff so far though. Later, he asked Nixon to ban the Beatles from the U.S. because of their associations with drug culture, the anti-war movement, and other sentiments he considered "anti-American."
>>57507328
So what does this have to do with modern-day progressives? They are fighting a perceived racism with racism. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Our social hierarchy is pretty much nonexistant based on race. You cannot police racial quotas while promoting freedom and equality. If one man is racist, the system is not racist. Instead of witch-hunting white people and businessman you need to establish laws promoting an equal field and hindering bad business practices.
>>57507389
Clearly you don't know what fascism is if you think rednecks have anything to do with it. Fascism is now the go-to word in the western world for anybody right-wing. It's a boogyman word with no real meaning anymore. How you think fascism has been changed by rednecks who dislike hippies is simply stupid, especially in your country.
>>57507449
>Later, he asked Nixon to ban the Beatles from the U.S. because of their associations with drug culture
irony at its finest
>>57507529
But they are still fighting hierarchy. White people are still richer than blacks on average. They see that as hierarchy and want to change it. You can't deny that is fighting hierarchy. You can disagree with their aims all you want, but they're being consistent.
>>57507578
Asians make the highest on average and smaller ethnic groups even higher. It's financial hierarchy which will always exist and exists in the closest thing to socialist utopias in the world.
I absolutely agree with you until your last point. They are fighting a hierarchy and want a system to police who of what race makes what $ amount instead of addressing the issue of class movement in the US. They're not consistent at all because they want exactly what white segregationists wanted, a hierarchy based on race instead of education and worth and free market standards
I'm not saying the black community doesn't have issues to do racial prejudice in the past, I'm saying the issue is class mobility not modern race relations and white/Asian CEOs
I get sooo mad every time I hear a retarded celebrity giving their retarded opinions about politics and economy, I wouldn't even let them vote if I could.
>>57507698
To be fair, they generally support affirmative action, which penalized Asians even more than whites.
>>57506492
because left wing is a young thing. At that age you still count on what you can get even if you are in the workforce or college.
>>57506492
>Willie nelson, jimmi hendrix, the beatles, the doors all left wing...
They never brought it up probably because they didn't care.
Zappa was Conservative.
>corporations pander to what is mainstream
>being liberal is mainstream
>the free market is literally responsible for the liberal media and neither side likes to admit this
Lmoa
>>57507880
>>the free market is literally responsible for the liberal media
which explains why fox news utterly dominates the other news networks in ratings right. if you mean capitalism is responsible in the sense that liberal media is an agenda pushed by globalist overlords who want to further expand marketshare for selling their products and conducting trade, then sure. if you meant the proliferation of liberal media is demand-driven by the masses, then no. liberal media is not representative of the majority in america at all.
But it was crazy rich right wingers pushing the eccentrics of the left for profiteering
>He doesn't know
>>57508100
>global elite bankers
You mean Jews?
>>57506492
I'm lefty as all fuck, but most great composers were right wing in a hipster way, except for Wagner, a plain old anti-Semite
>Brahms was a German nationalist who believed Germanness and Lutheranism to be synonyms
>Mussorgsky and Rimsky-Korsakov believed Russian music to be innately superior
>Stravinsky believed all learning should be reserved for the elite, and that most people should be peasants or soldiers to support the artist/ruler/philosopher class
>Schoenberg believed absolute monarchy was the only natural form of government
>Webern was a literal Nazi despite being friends with Schoenberg
>>57508126
Here's /pol/'s take
>>57508074
They know they need to bring in younger viewers because it's the fasted growing demographic and cable TV, including 24 hour news is really suffering due to lack of viewership. Young people are largely liberal, and so that's what they need to do to increase their audience. Fox news is the largest bastion of traditional 24 hour tv made for old people who were used to it being that way back in their day. Fox appeals to the white working class, and they are also an extremely important demographic. All parts of society need to be indoctrinated for the state capitalist system to function.
>>57508181
all these viewpoints were commonplace in their time. they would be considered centrists back then, only seems right-wing today
>>57506492
I don't know how they deal with it, Ausbro. It must be weird.
>>57508208
This Ben Garrison guy seems like a faggot. But then that lumps him together with literally every single poster on /pol/...
>>57506695
You sound incredibly butthurt. That doesn't help spread your opinion there m80.
>>57508281
You're a cool guy who I bet is also attractive and secure.
>>57506492
The coolest man to ever walk the Earth, a gun loving Republican.
>>57506519
>Not realizing that Stalin replaced worker's state to state capitalism
>Hitler, Stalin, George Bush and hill billies and neo nazis.
I'm sure they live with it by doing something about their ideology instead of singing about it like whiny faggots
>>57506492
>Stalin
>Right Wing
>>57506695
I guess it's true that most /pol/lacks are underage
>>57511206
They're also Muslim.
![Joseph-Stalin-e1393974431298[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JV4pFH8.jpg "Joseph-Stalin-e1393974431298[1].jpg")
>>57506492
>Stalin
>Right wing
>>57506584
are you retarded
>>57506564
The man who shit in his pants are not cool.
>>57506867
How much Nixon did pay them for that photos?
>>57507825
Libertarian. Not conservative.
>>57511018
This
>>57506492
It's like comparing a guitar and a fucking trumpet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YrG4pI004
fascism and communism are both cool
anything violently opposed to whatever the status quo of the time is inherently cool
the current global neo-liberal capitalist order is neither right nor left and people are poking holes in it from a variety of amusing directions
>>57506492
left wing singers are not that popular in right wing controlled areas
right wing areas listen to country stuff and other right wing music
>>57506492
>hitler isnt cool
>john wayne isnt cool
>clint eastwood isnt cool
get out melbournian
Cucks
>>57506492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmFSR2E4sCY
i don't know this Johnny Rebel guy looks cool
>Americans talking about history
