What are some european values?
Open borders
/balt/
>>57474199
cuckoldry
Individualism unfortunately.
Secularism is a plus.
being proud of not killing each other
wow so peacefu
look at us
much harmony
£0
>>57474199
>>57474376
>£
>european
>value
It's barely worth half a kg.
There is only one race, the Human Race :^) (but we need to make Europe less white because $CurrYear = ((2015 + (CurrYear - 2015))
Open border, free travel, all humans deserve Europe :^)
Do no judge other cultures, be tolerant. :^)
Respect other people's sexual and gender choices. :^)
>>57474199
Other than Christianity, and even that's not universal to all of Europe (Albania anyone?) nothing. All these "European" values the EU loves to whine on and on about are barely half a century old, and in former Soviet shitholes they're barely two decades old.
Hence why the EU is doomed to fail: it claims unity in values it simply does not have, and these values that supposedly always united Europe were made up as they go along.
And the funny thing? With the Lisbon Treaty certain Southern European nations proposed introducing a clause that, only symbolically, refers to Christianity as the common root of European values. This clause was overwhelmingly rejected by the North. They had one opportunity to formulate what has actually united the nations of Europe for over a thousand years, and they let it fly because it would hurt the feelings of sandniggers and Europe's equivalent of Berniefags.
>>57474776
>Southern European nations proposed introducing a clause that, only symbolically, refers to Christianity as the common root of European values.
>This clause was overwhelmingly rejected by the North.
What a surprise.
Being obstructive.
When europeans say "european identity" or "I feel european", what do you mean by this? Christianity? Shared history?
>>57474199
Cultural Suicide
>>57475514
What they mean by this are "values" that are scantly half a century old for most European nations. Shit like democracy, equality for all, LGBT acceptance, separation between church and state, a "welcoming" culture, multicultural tolerance et cetera.
If you noticed that many of these things are still issues in many European member states, you're very sharp. The EU's values are post-modernist values that are retroactively applied to Europe.
You remember that retarded "Deutsch" video ZDF made a while ago?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQkV5cTuoY
Notice that in the crowd of "badass" progressives there's also some guy waving around a European flag. Because what this music video describes are precisely the "values" of the European Union. Values that, at best, you can trace back to the 60s (which indirectly implies that the European culture before that either did not exist or is outdated).
>>57475835
It just seems strange to me, that such an idea of this supranational identity exists. I mean, your countries and cultures are, despite obvious similarities, still pretty different to each other. Asians don't say that they "feel Asian", there is no "south american identity." Is it purely political, or do you really feel yourself not only Dutch, but also "European"?
>>57474199
Chuckholding, Islam and nigger aids.
>>57476127
Most of my countrymen? Yes, because there's nothing left of the Dutch identity? Myself? I can't help but scoff when someone mentions a "European" identity. For reasons I explained earlier it simply does not exist. That's why Europe's """Values""" include those of diversity and multiculturalism: those are the values of those without a culture or those who have given up on their culture.
This is why immigration quite literally culturally enriches Europe: there is no European culture, and it's up to immigrants to destroy national cultures and create an European culture.
This method has a very impressive track record: in the 19th period France already applied this (with non-shitskin immigrants like Italians, Spaniards and Poles) to problematic regions. Immigrants were sent to regions like Picardie, the south, Britanny and the like because it was predicted that these people would not identify with the local cultures but with an overarching "French" identity, which at the time was being created. It worked, in concert with the Jules Ferry laws (which made education free and universal... but only in French). The EU's equivalent of these laws could be all the EU funded propaganda that's slowly but surely even penetrating the education system. Name one educational institute in Europe that depicts the EU as something negative. You literally cannot.
>>57474776
>the "continent" of Europe
>>57476555
>there's nothing left of the Dutch identity
I find this really hard to believe. Hundreds of years of cultural development don't just vanish overnight because of some 50yo political union.
>>57476859
It's hard to build a culture, but a lot easier to destroy one
I agree with Dutchanon
EU should be solely an economic and military partnership.
Yuro countries each have their own identity and can't be forced into a melting pot.
Yuros bantering each other > Awkward forced friendship
not raping women
>>57476127
Being European, often refers to the cultural identity of Italy, Germany, the Benelux countries, Austria, Spain, France (and Switzerland) This is because we've had a long history with each other. Sometimes we're enemies, in other times we're friends. In the most cases we're even one country. I'll give you my country as example. My country has been part of the Roman Empire, the Frankish empire, the Spanish Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Lotharingian Empire, the first French Empire, the greater Netherlands and more recently it used to be controlled by Nazi-Germany. But now there are voices to unite Europe without wars. Because we have been part of those empires, we feel connections with countries that has been part of those empires either
>>57477159
That's the only thing you have in common? Occupation?
>>57476859
>Hundreds of years of cultural development don't just vanish overnight
WW2 followed by decades of cultural marxism isn't exactly overnight either, and if you talk to some old people you're likely to find some traces of Dutch culture. The younger generations simply don't care.
>>57476904
see Mao + China
>>57477214
It's retarded reasoning. By his logic we should have a shitton in common with the Poles because we shared occupation with them by both the French and the Germans as well as common membership of the Holy Roman Empire. In truth we have more in common with a country like Denmark for reasons not related to occupation.
>>57477159
Sorry, but I just can't take it seriously. You feel connection to Spain, because 2000 years ago the territories, which both countries now occupy, were parts of the Roman Empire? And what about Britain? They don't share the cultural identity with you?
>>57477378
all he's trying to say is that there are reasons to unite together (economical, political - doesn't matter), and the best approach is to make that bloodlessly, 'cuz modern people are not supposed to be medieval monkeys with a spikey stick no more (that's the same reason anon keep coming to anonymous image board, even after having some serious quarrels over the topic nobody in their right mind, but shitposters, would care)
>>57477513
>'cuz modern people are not supposed to be medieval monkeys with a spikey stick no more
Kek, funny that you should say that because it was the Middle Ages were territories were passed down, inherited, traded and sold like fucking property. It was the rise of nationalism that got the common man involved in defending "his" borders.
So what you're basically saying is "We're no longer modern monkeys with machine guns", which sounds a lot less condescending and a lot more like THE CURRENT YEAR.
>>57477280
What I try to say is that we have been united for so long already (sometimes by occupation). We just want to unite without blood this time. Let me give an example. Bavaria and Austria have more in common than Bavaria and Brandenburg.
>>57478036
>for so long already
U fookin' wot m8? Starting from the birth of the Netherlands at the start of the 80 Years War, we've been independent for more years than we were united with any other power, including Belgium (which both Spain and France held for longer than we did FYI). Your argument means nothing.
>Let me give an example. Bavaria and Austria have more in common than Bavaria and Brandenburg.
And yet it is united with Brandenburg and not Austria. Their similarities are not related to occupation, but geographic proximity. I doubt for exampel that you'd say any of them have much in common with, say, the Baltic states. Yet even the Baltic States were part of the Holy Roman Empire for some period (I think with the Teutonic Order or something?).
In fact, let me go further: by your logic the Netherlands has less in common with France than France with Senegal. Shall we allow Senegal as a honorary member of the EU considering the French held trade posts in the area since about the 1600s?
>>57477772
>"We're no longer modern monkeys with machine guns"
no, i said we're not SUPPOSED to be like that. Otherwise, Russia would've been already attacked by NATO
Separation of the church and state.
Common law, fair trial.
Renaissance and enlightenment.
Secular education.
Rule of law.
So distinction between, say, middle eastern (muslim) culture and European culture is very clear. Its just sad that European Union has very little European values. European Union does not have rule of law and fair trial, immigrants are allowed to rape and bearded faggots are allowed to call for jihads, if European Union had any European values, they would offer as much foreign support as middle east is offering to Europeans and churches over there.
>>57478879
>Common law
Only in England and Ireland
Elsewhere it's civil law
>>57474199
>european values
Every. Time.
>>57479000
Its what I meant, my English isnt the best.
>>57478879
>Separation of the church and state.
Not only does not a single European constitution dictate this as a value, but many nations have national churches with some heads of state being the head of said church.
>Common Law
Except the majority of Europe uses Civil Law with England (yet not Scotland!) being the only exception
>Fair Trial
Yeah, okay. Whatever. That's simply not having corruption. Cultures all over the world thrived, at least on paper, to make trials fair.
>Renaissance and enlightenment.
Good enough I guess.
>Secular education.
Which we've had... how long? As late as the early 20th century secular education was a controversial subject in many countries in Europe.
>Rule of Law
Again, that's simply the pursuit of not being corrupted. Are you so arrogant that you percieve the fight against corruption as something uniquely European.
Literally all you have is the Renaissance, which is literally nothing more than fapping over Rome, and the Enlightenment, which most of Europe did not fully embrace until after WW1.
Good job, the oldest shared values Europe has according to your theory are scantly a century old. Two centuries if you count the Code Civil (which means kicking out all of the British Isles except an independent Scotland).
>>57474356
Hah it's funny because Europe's history is anything but peaceful hah
>>57479081
I quite like them, our mistake was to expect that dumbfucks around the world would comply to them.
Also the european economic community at 5 was the best thing, anything after was doomed to fail.
>>57474199
What they are today:
Indecisiveness
Submission to the US
Submission to Russia
Pretending to be secular
Doormat syndrome
Bitterness
But somehow there is some underlying wish for Europe to be something. No one seems to know what it is supposed to be. I think in the near-future we will have to decide whether or not we want Europe to be a proper unit or if it is to stay a loosely cobbled together bunch of interests pointing in different directions.
>>57479442
Sadly it fails on the first step as you can see in Europe right now.
>>57475579
>American talking about cultural suicide when half of his cunt is now Hispanic.
>>57479632
Nothing wrong with taco & siesta, hombre
>>57479442
>Human Rights
Which France adopted in 1789 and the rest of Europe... ehhh... 1950s, under international treaties that included many non-European countries
>Democracy
Which, again, many countries only had after WW1
>Rule of Law
Again, "not being corrupt" is exclusively European?
>Secularity
National churches, not a single constitution mentioning this and de facto theocrat caesaropapists disagree.
>Rationality
REALLY? FUCKING REALLY?
>Humanistic thinking
Didn't become mainstream until about a century ago.
Good job, that's at best 100 years of common values on a continent with literally thousands of years of history. We're being pretty fucking selective here aren't we?
>>57479632
>Leaf talking about cultural suicide when half of his cunt is now Asian
>>57479775
>I'll ignore the last centuries of western europe because I don't like it
>>57479775
Yes you faggot, these things are strictly and uniquely European.
In Asia you have that Chinese dictator with his 1 party thing, basically North Korea lite.
In Africa you have shamans eating hearts.
In middle east you have literal goat fucking bearded faggots dictating the courts and schools and everything.
And yes this is all happening, right now, in real time.
So fuck off. Civilization IS mostly European. Otherwise the rest of the world wouldnt try so hard to go to Europe, would they?
>>57479935
You can't really call what only originated in the past few decades and was only fully accepted by all European nations over the past 20 or 30 years "European values", especially when you consider how old Europe is.
>>57479938
>Yes you faggot, these things are strictly and uniquely European.
Uh-huh, not wanting a corrupted regime is uniquely European. Never has anyone outside of Europe tried to root out corruption. To prove this wrong let me create a caricature of this.
You know that Japan has been a democracy with respect for universal human rights longer than your country, right?
>>57480489
........didnt samurai go around cutting peasants to test out their new swords? didnt they have a law where people who did certain jobs (butchers and leather tanners I think, not a weeb so I dont know all that much about their culture), didnt these people worth only 1/8th of other people?
kek your example is shit m7, half of asia is dictatorship, half of middle east is ruled by allah, and half of africa are eating hearts
sure europe isnt perfect but at least more than half of it isnt a dictatorship, isnt ruled by allah and doesnt eat hearts
Bureaucracy hell and unfunded liabilities mostly
basically socialism
>>57480862
>didnt they have a law where people who did certain jobs (butchers and leather tanners I think) didnt these people worth only 1/8th of other people?
I'm surprised you know of this, since very few do. You are referring to the Burakumin, who were a group of people that were at the bottom of the social order in Japan. They worked as executioners, undertakers, butchers or tanners. And because of this they were seen as "unpure" since their work revolved around death. The Burakumin faced severe discrimination over the hundreds of years they existed.
faggotry, since its earliest history
>>57474199
>European
>values
Choose one or the other.
>>57480862
>........didnt samurai go around cutting peasants to test out their new swords?
Didn't Knights?
>half of asia is dictatorship
As was half of Europe until very, INCREDIBLY recently. As in living memory, as in some of the people posting here right now were born when half of Europe was still Soviet puppet dictatorships. And then Spain, Portugal and Greece were dictatorships in the living memory of many of its inhabitants.
