Baghdad edition
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/balt/
>>57438755
>pissed on bulgarian flag
>>57438785
why the fuck do you even care about servia joining your shitty union so much, you autistic natocuck
>>57438820
>cummed on Lithuanian flag
>>57438755
balt more like barf xDDDD
>>57438849
cum isn't white it's red
>http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Whoarewe.html
he three countries launched immense propaganda justifying their claims on Macedonia and so emerged the so-called "Macedonian Question", which is nothing but three conflicting and contracting views: (1) that the Macedonians were Greeks (the view of Greece), (2) that the Macedonians were Bulgarians (the view of Bulgaria), and (3) that the Macedonians were Serbs (the view of Serbia).
Do Bulgarians and Serbs claim Alexander as their own now?
>>57438755
>>57438830
>There are Serb volunteers fighting in Donbass and Lugansk.
this means nothing
there's bulgarian volunteers fighting for the separatists in Donbass too and we're in NATO and EU
>>57438929
>This website is dedicated to this struggle of the Macedonian nation and its documented 25 centuries of history. We are Macedonians, not Greeks, not Serbs, not Bulgarians, not Slavs. We are Macedonians just like our Macedonian forefathers who more then 100 years ago fought for free and independent Macedonia, and struggled against the Greek, Serbian, andBulgarian propaganda, and we are Macedonians just like our ancestors who conquered the Persian Empire and ruled the known world for centuries before Rome was even a power. We proudly present you, the reader, with our rich history beginning with its roots in Ancient Macedonia.
0_o
>>57438945
me on the left
>>57438929
the thing you're quoting is talking about fyromians not ancient macedonians who are extinct
>>57438661
>A lot of Bulgarians aren't truly Orthodox
wanna know why?
HINT:church was something "bad" between 1945-1990.
My religion is my personal thing, and i won't connect myself on such retarded bullshit as "muh religion" or "muh haplogroup"
>One is a pseudo-USA cucked by the USA and the other is the western equivalent of the Warsaw Pact with commands issued from Washington.
>t.Romanian living in Austria
you are almost as hypocrite as the half-bulgarian/half-britbong shitting on the UK
>>57438712
>pro-eu shitposters
i gave you my arguments, you responded with the same "hur-dur pro-EU shits"
i guess, i better argue with my shoe than with you
>>57438929
Khan-Iubigi Alexandaruh was pure blooded bulgar, fuck off
>>57439014
>and ruled the known world for centuries before Rome was even a power.
>>57438985
Orthodox brotherhood, m8. And don't act like Bulgarians wanted to join the EU inasmuch as your traitorous politicians did(plus some half truths and disinformations from the media to get the people to comply).
>>57438794
No.
Unlike you we were never a part of the Soviet Union or the Warsaw pact.
We produced our own weapons.
Based and inspired by Russian but still, we made them.
Yugoslavia and Serbia even now have a good weapons industry.
Except modern supersonic fighters, and anti-air defences.
Even that was in the making, without any soviet help, french actually, but the civil war cut the project short.
We actually still have the plans and the designs of the plane and technical knowledge to make them, just no money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Avion
We did have also have a few gems of our own in our Army.
At the time of the making this was the best rocket launcher made in the world, with the longest range which could actually be doubled
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-87_Orkan
Our tanks are a little less armored versions of Russian T90s, but produces by us, not the russians, designed by us as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-84AS
As I said, Yugoslavia had a good arms industry, and Serbia inherited that mostly, we also have a good arms industry, and actually export stuff all over the world.
So, no we are not reliant on Russia to buy our weapons
>>57439014
this shit is 2abstract4me
Who /KERATAS/ here ?
Kerata e kerata
>>57439116
half of bulgaria is made up of pro-russia cuckshits
the other half is made up of pro-EU cuckshits who also love russia
it's autistic as fuck 2bh
>>57439116
>Orthodox brotherhood
i dont give a singe shit about my orthodox brothers, i dont give a single shit about russia, about serbia, about romania, the same way i dont give a single shit about germany or france or usa.
the only think that i care about is the wellbeeing of MY country and MY people, and for one or another reason the best thing for my country right now is to be part of the EU and NATO.
doesnt mean im a big fan of them either
>>57439074
>My religion is my personal thing
Religion is social in character, you are not a hermit monk, salvation is found within the community - first your local parish, then your mitropoly, then your patriarchy, then the overall One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ - the Orthodox Church composed of all right believing laymen and clergymen alike.
>t.Romanian living in Austria
Nice name calling.
>>57439309
this tb h
>>57439312
>Religion is social in character, you are not a hermit monk, salvation is found within the community
>2016
religion is, and should be a personal thing in 2016.
>Nice name calling.
you know i'm right
>>57439309
Sums up the Bulgarian mentality nicely. I love Bulgarians.
>>57439309
but bruv, if you are with NATO and EU, means you hate Russia and love JewSA
>>57439429
sounds like you want a certain great ape to fuck your hellenic asshole
>>57439309
>the only think that i care about is the wellbeeing of MY country and MY people
If you are a Christian, your people is the Orthodox people of which the Bulgarian nation are a part of. Christ comes before nation, Kingdom of Heaven before state. You must love your nation, but not in the detriment of your brothers in faith.
>>57439426
>religion is, and should be a personal thing in 2016.
Holy Tradition, m8. Just because you are an enlightened evropean doesn't mean that Orthodoxy can be whitewashed to suit your decadent lifestyle. You can join your local papist or protestant parish for that.
>>57439517
Please fuck my Serbian ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0kSJzSASE
>Igor Bruta
is it a common name in the balkans?
>There are Serb volunteers fighting in Donbass and Lugansk.
that's not something you should be proud about, тbh
>>57439309
T H I S
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>>57439309
Perfect, one more reason to annex Bulgaria and genocide ethnic Bulgarians in the upcoming Orthodox Empire.
>>57439601
he wanted a multicultural bulgaria
>>57439591
This. Imagine how much of a subhuman you have to be to think it's a good idea to die in some east slavic chernobyl shithole.
>>57439591
there's bulgarians there too
guy on the left is bulgarian
>>57439607
Grease, why aren't we friends yet?
Also tell me about your army. By sheer numbers you're stronger than Germany, but what's it like in real life.
>>57439748
and i'm not proud of that fact
they should all return back here in coffins, тbh
>>57439748
A degenerate and a traitor.
>>57439751
The conscripts are basically parade fodder and some soldiers still use M1 garands for training, the food is not the best and the work is exhausting and tiring, but because the conscripts are treated as shit, they can endure the shit conditions war has to offer.
Now the special forces are a whole different story...
>>57439811
>they should all return back here in coffins
CRAAAAAAAWLING IIIIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIN
>>57439309
don't worry probably no christian thinks of you as their brothers either
>>57439640
>he wanted a multicultural bulgaria
but, not 2016 Europe multicultural.
>>57439871
he literally wanted greeks bulgarians and turks to live together peacefully in bulgaria outside of ottoman presence, which is autistic as fuck
>>57439849
cringy, i agree, but you know i'm right
>>57439830
Says the 4chan shitposter.
>>57439844
Ellada strong.
>>57439921
>Superior Greeks living among tatar cigans and filthy oghuz turkmens
You're absolutely right.
>>57439852
im not worried at all, is this supposed to be an insult?
>>57440003
what?
>>57439607
You'll be bankrupt at the first minute you try it.
Besides, our stronk air foce will repel any invasion
>>57439921
>which is autistic as fuck
back then it wasnt.
plus, he wanted everyone to be equal, not to fucking love eachothers.
this means, if a bulgar/greek/turk commit a crime he'll be sued by one law, no matter what his ethnicity is.
>>57439957
Lubricant for the tracks of Ukrainian tanks.
>>57439988
Double dubs speak the truth
>>57439957
Why the fuck is an Austrian religious? Dijasporic?
>>57439811
>>57439830
>>57439957
there's a group called Pravoslavna Zora that work and fought together with serbian chetkins in Ukraine
>>57439591
>>57439668
Why not ?
There were Russian volunteers in Bosnia and croatia
Greek as well.
We're just repaying the favor.
Also fun fact, Lugansk was actually a Serbian republic for a time in the 18th century, given to Serbs to settle there by the Russian Empress.
>>57439957
>>57440089
why does he wear the smurf hat
>>57440089
here's a picture of them in Kosovo
>>57440051
>implying Ukrainian cucks would have pulled the current stallmate were it not for Western involvement
>>57440089
Nice.
>>57440076
Yes.
>>57439852
bolgars will always be our brothers even if they dont want to
and greeks are the oldest orthodox nato and eu nation, why are you forgeting thet dimitrius, you are hypocritical
>>57440182
Do these guys actually do stuff or do they just like dressing up like commandos and doing volunteer border patrol in ukraine?
>>57440049
>Implying we couldn't steamroll the balkans in a month
Also, we have the best pilots in NATO and much better equipment and army than you, blind nationalism and Dinko is not going to save you.
>>57440089
Yar har fiddley dee
>>57440133
I actually knew of a special forces guy that was traumatized from the Bosnian war, that every time he'd open a door, he'd freeze.
Why? Well because the Bosnjaks used to put grenades without the pins inside bottles on top of doors, and when someone opened the door, the grenade would fall and explode, and he saw about 3 men dying like that.
>>57440133
>Why not ?
because they are doing the same that albozergs did to you, retarded prick. You literally throw more oil in the fire.
If you, as a Serb don't justify what happened with Kosovo, you shouldn't justify what's happening in Ukraine today.
With retards like you, no wonder Serbia is insulated by the whole continent.
>Also fun fact, Lugansk was actually a Serbian republic for a time in the 18th century, given to Serbs to settle there by the Russian Empress.
shaking my head. you should kill yourself lad. if not, go to /ex-yu/ to express your autism there.
>>57440215
пpивeт бpaтaн
>>57440215
we're in nato because turks would fuck us up day 1 we get out otherwise.
we're trying to keep equal distance in any matter where nato and orthodox countries get involved
bulgarians may be your brothers, but our historical ties run deep with their invasions, everyone knows if they still got any irredentism, it's 100% directed towards us
>>57440270
You need money to wage wars and your nation doesn't have any. The moment you declare war, your supplies will be stretched way beyond your capabilties and you probably know what that means.
Leave the wars to people who have the money and not nations who are on life-support
Besides I wouldn't underestimate based Dinko.
>>57440390
пpивeт, кoмpaд
>>57440440
>Bulgarian irredentism towards Greece
Not with free travel within the EU, not really.
>>57440440
>everyone knows if they still got any irredentism, it's 100% directed towards us
that's bullshit. We technically border territories that were taken from us through the wars, therefore we border ourselves.
>anime posting Russians
Beria please come back and bring lots of ammo.
>>57440215
>>57440533
reeeeee weebshitter
>>57440440
>we're in nato because turks would fuck us up day 1 we get out otherwise.
>"its okay when we do it" :^)
>everyone knows if they still got any irredentism, it's 100% directed towards us
ahahahahahahah
ah
HOLY
FUCKING
SHIT
do greeks actually believe this?AYY LMAO, didnt expect the greeks to be fyrom tier deluded
>>57440266
Yes.
They do a lot of stuff.
This guy is a famous sniper in ukraine, one of the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkOSbdtE9TE
Here, the journalist follows him through some things.
he stays safely away from the most of the fighting, but Deki kills one ukranian sniper.
>>57440326
you are retard.
There is no such thing as Ukraine, it even existed.
It shouldn't exist even now westernmost parts should be polish, the rest Russian.
Kosovo was Serbian throughout history yes ?
Crimea was Russian.
Ukraine simply took it, and they took it back.
>>57440440
>irredentism, it's 100% directed towards us
topkek
the only thing Bulgaria cares and ever cared about is fyrom, nice baseless arguments, sperg
>>57440634
>invade us 3 times throughout the last century
>the only reason you stopped was because the cold war would turn nuclear otherwise
>we're deluded
ay lmao senpaitachi
>>57439116
>he fell for the orthodox brothers meme
it's like i'm on youtube
>>57440708
>There is no such thing as Ukraine, it even existed.
just like fyrom, it didnt stop you from brainwashing them for 70 years tho :^)
>>57440720
>>57440634
>>57440560
>>57440539
taqiya, tri moreta somewhere else backstabbers
>>57440720
Well Macedonia has Pirin, Ohrid, and a coast in it.
>>57440773
>grease shitting up the thread
How unexpected.
>>57440596
>>57440634
there is nothing wrong with anime, maybe 4chan is not the site for you if you no like it, yes?
>>57440773
Be Orthodox all the way or find some other 'church'. Petty russophobia and Orthodoxy aren't compatible.
>>57440881
>most of the replies are butthurt boogars
>can't even link correctly
I guess now you'll call me butthurt etc
what a bunch of kids
Hey guuurrrlllss
Gay Bosnian Diaspora here, AM A :D
>>57440990
are you gay?
>>57440990
Do you like getting fucked by big bulgarian gorilla?
>>57440708
>There is no such thing as Ukraine, it even existed.
Kosovo was never an independent state either, are you ok with changing that too?
>Kosovo was Serbian throughout history yes ?
Kosovo was also Bulgarian through some period of time, right? Nis too. Belgrade is named Belgrad by Bulgarians. Is it OK if we come to sack our shit back?
>Ukraine simply took it
history less? Crimea was given to Ukraine. You don't give away shit that you will later want back.
>>57440981
forgot to remove it 2bh
gotta randomly click a post number to get my qr box
>>57440990
Are you Bosnian?
>Shitting on based EU and NATO
eeh.. you guys realize how much better it is to be born in the balkans than ukraine or russia? feels good to be part of the civilized world, even if not officially in fyrom, we're surrounded by it.
>>57440981
>b-butthurt
this is your argument every single day, despite you sounding way more butthurt
>>57441083
>civilized world
Grease wants communism and brotherhood with the Russians.
>>57441021
Yes
>>57441027
No whites only sorry :V
>>57441076
I was born there yes, but I had to give up my citizenship to get US citizenship
>>57441137
>projecting this hard
its actually a bulgarian that calls greeks randomly butthurt to get a reaction
>>57441035
Are you retarded? Crimea was given to the Ukrainian SSR which was a territorial-administrative division of the Soviet Union, not some independent country.
It's exactly the same shit that Bosniaks and Croats pulled. Ukrainians wanted Soviet borders without the Soviet Union(or its legal successor, the Russian Federation).
>>57441150
by grease do you mean the single greek /balk/ poster that's the only one who wants this?
>>57441083
i love how all of the big Russiaboos actually move to the evil and sigusting west instead of going to live in based Russia like the romanian diaspora
cant figure why tho....
And im not even anti-russia or anything, my grandma was Russian
>>57441150
but bulgaria, you are the east
>>57440889
>Petty russophobia and Orthodoxy aren't compatible
what does russophobia have to do with orthodoxy you stupid retarded russiaboo gypsy?
fucking stay in austria and never come back here,russian cocksucker
>>57440777
People living in Macedonia are Bulgarians
top kek anon.
>>57441191
>Crimea was given to the Ukrainian SSR which was a territorial-administrative division of the Soviet Union
Yes, and Moscow is not the Union in the full sense to demand it back.
>>57441191
>Are you retarded?
not sure if i am, but you sure are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Did you even read what i wrote?
>>57441277
It is the legal successor of the Soviet Union and there's that.
>>57441279
They didn't give away anything. It was a territorial readministration, Ukraine wasn't a country.
>>57441270
i know?
>>57441234
Solid points senpai
Actually let's leave out russia, just ukraine. That place is beyond saving.
>>57441215
We love both USA and Russia
USA For Turning us into a first world country (for a while)
And Russia for being our greatest ally against the T*rks and orthodox bros
>>57441364
The thing is, I can live with Crimea inside Russia, because of purely demographic reasons.
Russia wants a land corridor to Crimea and control over the neighboring territories that provide water and electricity, hence the chimpouts in Lugansk and Donetsk.
>>57441452
You know that a joke and a meme.
Good on you, first tatar to admit it.
>>57441270
There's a lot of serbs and bosniaks in skopje. and 20% shiptar
>>57441184
>b*sniaks
>white
>>57440889
>Petty russophobia
what if it's not petty, tho?
Soviet Russia literally destroyed orthodoxy for Romania, Bulgaria and Russia.
The same people (their successors) nowadays, the big orthodox "muh brothership, memba when we freed you from the durks, anon?" killed their tzar and his whole family, who actually did something about freeing us.
Are you retarded or just extremely thick skinned hypocrite?
>>57441459
I really want trump to win and build great diplomatic relations with russia
eu can clearly handle jackshit
>>57441528
>50% of fyromians would rename to south serbia
i would eat their babies in front of them 2bh
>>57441364
>They didn't give away anything.
everything was already set in the 90's when the USSR collapsed. Remember this, or you just don't want to mention that period, because it will affect your solid arguments?
>>57441591
>great diplomatic relations with russia
Trump will quickly need to turn hawkish if he becomes president, the people who elected him will demand it.
>>57441247
You are a Russophobe and an euro-atlantic loving mankurt that promotes Orthodox in-fighting.
>>57441474
Ukraine shouldn't exist in the first place. At best, the core of Ukraine should unite with Belarus to have their Western fetish tempered and the rest be divided amongst its neighbors.
>>57441586
A small elite composed mostly of Bolshevik Jews, not the Russian nation. Stop equating the leadership of a country with the countrymen themselves. Russians suffered the most under Communist oppression.
>>57441673
Define '''''set'''''.
>>57441579
Whiter than u ţbh
>>57441528
i really dont understand if you are trying to communicate right now, shqiptar
>>57441720
>Ukraine shouldn't exist in the first place
Well, Putin's invasion created it.
>>57441720
You better tell all those people living in ukraine they shouldn't exist as a separate nation, I'm sure thy'll listen to you.
>>57441674
he'll do whatever he thinks is best, he doesn't get swayed but other opinions
the only time he shat on putin was on a tv commercial to get the necessary votes
it's clear he thinks of china as the enemy and the dickwaving contest with russia as childish
>>57441720
>Ukraine shouldn't exist in the first place
You shouldn't exist too but tough luck
>>57441771
The Poles and the Vatican did, but anyhow, Ukraine as an '''independent''' state deserves all the shit it can get for betraying Russia in favor of a Western yoke.
>>57441807
You don't care if a schizophrenic calls himself mentally sound, same principle applies here. Or are you going to advocate a double standard for FYROMians?
>>57441720
>Define '''''set'''''.
"set" as "this is Ukraine, this is Russia, ok? ok."
Are you really retarded?
>>57441528
so what exactly is fyrom, serious question for a sec.
do they consider themselves slavs? if so how are slavs linked with macedonia since them lot came in the 7th century.
on serious note, mims aside how do they perceive themselves?!
>>57441855
do you actually think that trump has any chance of winning?even /pol/ doesnt actually belive this, americucks are more liberal than even half of the western euros right now, if nothin big hapens Shillary is guaranteed to win this
>>57441674
At the very most Trump will pretend to be friends with Russia like George Bush did. But he will more than likely take an anti-Russia stance like every fucking american president has since 1946
>>57441720
>da bolshevik and da j00z were da bad guys
>us good russians dindu nuffin we suffered too!
there's a good reason romania is a russophobic country,those fucking subhumans have been trying to destroy us before communists seized power
do you mind explaining to me where our treasury disappeared?because as far as i know it was pre-communist russia who took it from us
you need to kill yourself immediately,or at least change citizenship
>>57441924
With Ukraine being in the Russian sphere of influence. It was implied from the start. Now they pay the consequences.
>Are you retarded?
>>57441977
We gave it to Tsarist Russia, Soviet Russia didn't give it back. Your point is?
>da rasan boogeyman wantz tu distroy as
Megalomania at its finest.
>>57441965
well I hope he wins, he's the best of the bunch
>>57441920
Actually no I'm on the opinion that everyone should have the right to decide for themselves. If the macedonians want a separate nation, identity they can go right ahead, I wouldn't be losing ant sleep over it. Other Bulgarians may disagree, that's their problem not mine.
>>57441932
Most of them consider themselves Macedonians and slavs.
Macedonia is 70% identifies as Macedonia, 25% as albozergs, 1.2% as Serbs, 0.001 as Bulgarians (about 1000 people).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Macedonia
>>57441932
>so what exactly is fyrom
A young South-Slavic independent republic that also has 20% Albanians and 10% other ethnic groups (no Bulgarians, unless you count the fact that 5% of them have applied for Bulgarian citizenship in the past 10 years).
>do they consider themselves slavs?
The "antichki" idea is almost out of steam, they are Slavics now (except the Albanians).
>>57441965
Hillary has too many friends in high places to lose. It is impossible. If it were down to only popular vote though, Trump might have a shot.
>>57442082
>this proxy
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house
>>57442218
>implying I'm pro-Putin
Article 282, nigger.
Where were you when you realized Romanians are literally and unironically Bulgarians?
>>57442082
how come after all these years they won't give us back our gold?or at least what's left of it
spain got robbed by those subhumans too
>>da rasan boogeyman wantz tu distroy as
our history says so you deluded russtard,remember what happened to those moldovans who got forcefully assimilated in their own lands?
I have recently found a Japanese novel that write about a country which look exactly like Yugoslavia in 1980s but in an alternative world. But I don't have sufficient Japanese skill to read it...
>>57442283
at home
>>57442185
>Skopje census counts 1000 Bulgarians.
>58,608 Fyromians have Bulgarian citizenship
Serbfag, if you need proof the EU is effective, pay attention to the Austrian flag. Whatever country he left behind is at a net gain.
>>57442185
>Macedonians and slavs
that doesn't make sense though, how can someone wake up one morning and say im this culture group now.
you are either a macedon or a slav, how can you be both?
>>57441977
>where our treasury disappeared
it's in safe place (Moscow) next to ours, don't worry about it.
>>57442283
>tfw both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews
SEAKIKES
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GAS THE SEAKIKES BALKAN WAR NOW
>>57442346
you don't realize the extent of brainwashing and propaganda these cucks went through
at this point it would be a mercy to just round them up and shoot all of them in the head and end their suffering
>>57442289
based
>>57442346
They brainwash us every day. We have an obligatory 2 hours of Alexander recitals before bed time to strengthen our identity.
>>57442457
During the Minute of Hatred, do you hate on Persians or Ottomans?
>>57442306
Because we situated ourselves as serfs to their political enemies, they have no reason to give them back.
>our history says so
Our history says that they were the ones to liberate us from Turkish yoke and the ones to modernize us(Kiselyov). And don't boohoo me about Eastern Moldavia, I don't see you promoting the same kind of attitude in regards to our butchered Transylvania or how the Entente double crossed us after promising the integral historical regions in which Romanians dwelled.
Had it not been for Romanian russophobia, we'd be united with Moldavia by now(and with the current crisis in Ukraine, maybe even Budjak and Northern Bukovina). But eh, you won't complain about Emil Constantinescu legitimizing Ukraine's borders since you are a Westcuck, it's alright when the West crosses us over since dey be gud masterz.
>>57442538
macedonia has always been at war with persia
>>57442333
Implying they just don't get your passports to get out of Macedonia and freely travel to EU.
>being this dense
kek
>>57442586
Really? I thought they were hipsters and wanted a 2nd citizenship
>>57441720
>A small elite composed mostly of Bolshevik Jews, not the Russian nation
Tell me, how did a handfull of Jews managed to win the Civil war?
>>57442457
ok fair enough, so you are actually a slav hence in a way grease is correct in vetoing macedonia since the name comes with territorial disputes
>>57442586
>implying that even if they tore their pasoshi the moment they received them, that number does not constitute political capital
Or in the case of Makedonia, unnecessary investment and involvement. Bulgaria fucking bled for that region in the late 19th early 20th centuries.
>>57442703
With the help of uneducated factory workers and discontent low ranking soldiers.
>>57442703
the communist leadership in every communist country in europe had unproportionally high amount of jews
>>57442738
they should name themselves whatever the hell they want imo, it was the claims to the whole of ottoman region of macedonia and the ancient heritage claims that drew us in the shitflinging standoff
>>57442777
Godly trips, subject closed. G'night /balk/.
>>57442777
Which gives you a base of roughly 20 mil manpower vs 140 mil supposed pro-tsar/pro-kerensky. How do they win? Jewish magic?
>>57442774
>bled for that region in late 19th/early 20th century ?
What, you mean establishing schools designed to brainwash them, just like greeks did ?
be honest with yourself family.
>>57442738
>you are actually a slav
Short story: Used to be Bulgarian, after getting rid of the Turks, by a set of circumstances, became Not-Bulgarian.
>>57442855
>According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total
>>57442567
>Our history says that they were the ones to liberate us from Turkish yoke
some liberation that was
>the ones to modernize us(Kiselyov)
literally who?all those crumbling factories were built by him before they were sold for scraps to ukrainians/russians
of course you wouldn't know that you filthy diasporashit
>>Had it not been for Romanian russophobia, we'd be united with Moldavia by now
>Had it not been for Romanian russophobia we'd be united with the lands that the soviets/tsars wanted so badly to be russian
> But eh, you won't complain about Emil Constantinescu legitimizing Ukraine's borders since you are a Westcuck
i've never mentioned america or nato in my posts you retarded shill
>>57442915
Well Bulgarian kings established that one school in Ohrid back in the day.
>>57442855
>jews marginalised in every euro country the live
>communism promises equality for everyone
>jews jump at the chance to be equal
>it's not a conspiracy
>>57443011
meant to say "all those factories were built by nea ceasca"
>>57443020
>>it's not a conspiracy
are you implying that i think that marxism is a jewish conspiracy?
>>57442915
you stupid motherfucker i would beat the shit out of your smug faggot face 2bh yes i'm butthurt
>>57438730
Looks like Athens
>>57443075
kek u mad bro
>>57443020
>jews jump at the chance to be equal
so they make you believe
>>57443075
reserve your gorilla strength for the race war priqtel :^)
>>57443073
No I just used it as a phrase.
>>57443016
Who cares ?
Did you hold on to it for 1000 years ? No ?
Before it fell to the turks, entire macedonia was serbian, some parts for more than a 100 years.
It's not like Bulgaria had an iron hold on the region before that as well, it was constantly traded between you and the byzantine empire.
>>57443075
why ? You also know that almost all Albozergs hold a Serbian passport and identity card in Kosovo as well ?
Does that magically make them Serbian, just like it makes macedonians who take a bulgarian passport bulgarian ?
Of course not.
>>57443186
we're talking historically, they are bulgarians
now they can identify themselves as cambodians for all i care
Look faggots, I'll tell you a secret about this place that I want you to remember.
There is no identity crisis here and no one ever questions their origin. The identity as being "Macedonian" and slavic is as firm as they get. You are all viewed as foreigners in fyrom, like it's the most normal thing ever.
>>57443364
A more appropriate word than "firm" is "cemented" to be real. I always chuckle when someone says there's an identity crisis going on in this country.
>>57443344
How are they historically Bulgarians ?
They're a slavic nation.
When Bulgarians came on the balkans, they were not slavs.
How could they possibly be bulgarian then ?
>>57443364
I know, that's what I said.
Family is from Macedonia.
Why are diaspora posters the worst
>>57443477
Kicevo?
>>57443477
slavic is a linguistic group you nig
>>57443449
yeah your identity is very cemented with those statues of alexander the great, tsar samuil and old pakistani "royalty" of supposed macedonian identity visiting your country and treated as kings
>>57443527
>identity
ancestry*
>>57443477
macedonians have never once been mentioned in history books as a separate ethnic group and the byzantine and turkish sources state that the slavs in macedonia were bulgarians
i don't care what macedonians wish they are today, the fact is what they were in the past, and that is something you can't argue against
>>57443477
Bulgars =/= Bulgarians
>>57443635
how come =))))
>>57443681
bulgars = nomadic conquerors
bulgarians = bulgars + slavs + thracians + whatever the fuck else lived here before they came
romanians = bulgarians
>>57443521
Take a wild guess who wasn't a part of that lingustic group you flaming faggot.
Your tatar ass.
>>57443616
>Bulgarian history books said everybody in history considered them bulgarians so it must be so.
That's simply not true, you'll find a lot of greek sources claiming they are greeks and most of them just refer to them as slavs, not bulgarians, not serbs, just slavs.
you'll also find sources from 14th and 15 century saying they're Serbs.
Ancient sources mostly just changed the name, when the regions got conquered.
>>57443635
Yes they are, they are your ancestors who came to the balkans and formed an alliance with slavs.
They might be extinct and have little connection to todays bulgarians, but that doesn't matter since they existed 1000 years ago, which is the timeframe we're talking about.
>>57443759
>romanians = bulgarians
u wish =)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>57443830
weren't bulgarians the inventors of the cyrillic alphabet?
>>57443830
>That's simply not true, you'll find a lot of greek sources claiming they are greeks
possible, a lot of greeks lived in macedonia
>and most of them just refer to them as slavs, not bulgarians, not serbs, just slavs.
that's wrong you mouthbreathing mongoloid
>you'll also find sources from 14th and 15 century saying they're Serbs.
no you won't, show me those sources
>>57443517
iirc, grandfather was from Veles, grandmother from Kumanovo.
>>57442960
hmm, so although at heart you may feel bulgarian or lets say slav you've gone so deep into this whole macedonian thing that you need to play it through to the end, otherwise well fuck knows what might happen otherwise. i guess uncertainty might be the key...
>>57443527
I get that you're stupid but let me re-phrase that in a way that it clicks in your brain.
A statue does not a nation make. Is that how the british do it?
Those statues are tacky decoration, it's obvious.
Also you're quoting some random bursts of autism to discredit what I'm saying (which is reflective of the reality here). Well if it makes you feel any better about this place losing any connection to bulgaria, what the serb said about 50% in favor of renaming to south serbia is not correct either.
>>57443932
Greeks were.
Everybody considers the greeks and Saints Cyril and Methodius the inventors except the bulgarians.
That should tell you something
macedonia = albania
albania = greece
greece = turkey
Therefore macedonia = turkey
>>57443830
that's wrong, sources call them by their regional name, and the people in that region of macedonia who were called macedonians were bulgarian slavs and greeks
>>57442289
wew that's sick
>>57444044
now answer this effendi
kosovo=?
>>57444120
kosovo also albania
>>57443954
There was another serbian anon on /ex-yu/ that had relatives in Kichevo, though you were him.
>>57444120
srce srbe
>>57444044
uhh
(?)
>>57444009
Glagolica
Bulgarians invented ћиpилицa in their Preslav autism labs
>>57444009
except cyril and methodius didn't invent the cyrillic
>>57443954
>Kumanovo
eeeeeeeeeeew
>>57444009
This post discredited pretty much everything you posted so far. Please double check what international historians agree on when it comes to the creation of the cyrillic alphabet.
>>57444178
ill gut you kunt
>>57444205
>preslav
>it was actually afterslav
what did they mean by this?
>>57443954
Unless they were colonizer Serbs, you are an honorary Tatar. You may claim your pasosh at the local Bulgarian embassy. Congrats.
>>57444246
they meant that you should fuck off back to /tv/
>>57444044
effendi = цyцк
>>57444051
>Bulgarian slavs
no such thing, in that time.
You had alliance with 7 slavic tribes, none of whom lived in Macedonia.
Your original first state you created, did not include FYROM.
You conquered that territory, and called them Bulgarians.
That territory wasn't abandoned or empty it was already populated by slavs and greeks.
They can't be bulgarians.
>>57444209
>>57444205
>Cyrillic is derived from the Greek uncial script, augmented by letters from the older Glagolitic alphabet, including some ligatures. These additional letters were used for Old Church Slavonic sounds not found in Greek. The script is named in honor of the two Byzantine brothers,[6] Saints Cyril and Methodius, who created the Glagolitic alphabet earlier on. Modern scholars believe that Cyrillic was developed and formalized by early disciples of Cyril and Methodius of Bulgarian origin, most notable of which was Clement of Ohrid.
except the disciples of the monks were greeks, not tatars.
>>57444272
my family had to leave per orders from Marshall Tito, since nobody who identified as a Serb could remain in Macedonia, so it could be created.
very few people are tatars in macedonia at all.
FYROM was already inhabited at the time, they just conquered it held it for some time and then traded with byzantines and serbs for it.
Population didn't magically became tatars when it got conquered.
That's until the turks came
>>57442586
say this to all the makefags in Studentski Grad, lmao
>>57443099
its athens
>>57444647
holy shit, that shqiptar education
>>57444647
Did you even read that quote you blind fuck? It literally says the disciples were of Bulgarian origin. Based monastery in the south east of Ohrid lake.
I can't guarantee about our exact genetics and origin, as you said this used to be medieval Serbia too. But based on language and dialects only, Macedonians are Bulgarian.
>>57444647
autistic cuck kill yourself
>>57444846
historically, not now.
Who knows what the future holds.
>>57444647
Nigger, you are contradicting your citation from wikipedia, which clearly states that the disciples are of bulgarian origin. Now I know you're just baiting.
Also, on the macedonian region back then, I've got news for you. The mix between bulgars(among others) with macedonians began as early as 670.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuber
>>57444647
no one denies that Bolgarians created the Cyrillic alphabet
http://learnrussian.rt.com/alphabet/the-history-of-the-cyrillic-alphabet/
>>57444951
macedonians as for people from the region then (slavs)
>>57444846
Tatars just added that to the wiki
Doesn't mean it's true.
Mostly because it can't be true.
Macedonia was already inhabited at the time bulgarians conquered it.
People from there only in name changed to bulgarians in nothing else they become like tatars.
So they were either slavs or greeks, bulgarians they were only in the name since the territory was under bulgarian administration at the time.
>>57444834
>>57444852
>>57444951
>>57444974
I explained it.
This is all just tatar brainwashing.
>>57444647
>Bulgarian slavs
no such thing, in that time.
You had alliance with 7 slavic tribes, none of whom lived in Macedonia.
Your original first state you created, did not include FYROM.
You conquered that territory, and called them Bulgarians.
That territory wasn't abandoned or empty it was already populated by slavs and greeks.
They can't be bulgarians.
They were bulgarians only in name, nothing else.
>>57445039
>>57445039
i always wondered how did slavs,or any other peoples for that matter,get assimilated back then
did their women fuck all the native men?
did the slav men breed with the native women resulting in mixed couples which were considered taboo?
did their offspring have identity issues?
someone please enlighten a clueless retard
>>57445039
i dont know what is in wiki or what is not, im just telling you the historical facts that we study in Russia
even the link posted you is a our source and not wikipedia, dont know why you are so butthurt
>>57445039
>>57445039
You are retarded but Serbian and Bulgarian royalty intermarried in Macedonia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Du%C5%A1an
This uber Serb married a Bulgarian queen.
I'm going now.
>>57445233
I think it was more along the lines of
>Roman and greek influence losing power in balkans
>slavs migrate in
>local government is all controlled by slavs
>local people learn slavic
>People mix
>integration happens
>>57445039
whats up with that giant inferiority complex of serbia towards us?why are you still butthurt, you ar literally our neighbor that no one gives a shit about and we have pretty much no relations.
>>57445233
easy
slavs were cucks and enjoyed the BBC
>>57445310
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_of_Bulgaria
quick question: I heard some Cyrillic characters look different in italic mode in different country? Are they same in non-italic mode?
>>57445408
yes
>>57445386
>Their wedding night was held at the royal court in Skopje
Serbo-Bulgarian racemixing capital since 1331!
>>57445259
Just shows your Tatar and Turkic origins family.
you were never slavs.
>>57445310
That bitch gave him the weak ass baby that destroyed the empire.
>>57445340
We would like to keep it that way, but you're not getting a cm of Macedonian territory.
>>57445310
dushan was half bulgarian
>>57445477
we will soon :^)
pls intervene so we can have another surdulica :^D
hehe
>>57445408
I fucking hate when they write cyrillic in italic, because it's so hard to decipher. It's mostly pretentious douchebags who do it to decorate their hipster news site.
>>57445570
Shqip we will race mix your women too, it's skopje.
>>57445408
I don't really get your question
BUT, interesting fact:
Russians have tried (and mostly succeeded) to monopolize the cyrillic scripts, i.e. having russian version of Times New Roman, Arial, etc. scripts in cyrillic.
>>57445555
Keep dreaming tatar ;)
Took three countries to invade us so you could have your massacre>
>>57445472
kings and queens from everybody intermixed from those times.
Last emperor of the Byzantium was half serb.
>>57445660
>Took three countries to invade us so you could have your massacre>
yeah only needed one 2bh
>>57445639
>Skopje 100% shqiptar
Yo popejunkie if you're here watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TxjrHPHypA
>>57445691
Come fight us faggots, we'll make Vukovar out of Sofia.
>>57445789
>So proud
>much kebab removing
>>57445694
oyoyoyoyyooi
>>57445789
the last time we fought 1v1 we cucked you so hard austria had to step in
>>57445789
>serbia acts tough
how cute, you are litearlly the shittiest balkan country warfare-wise
you dont have a single war won agisnt us in your history(aside for when it was 5vs1)
your army was always an utter joke, that got btfoed even by bunch of croat peasants lmao
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