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is this, dare i say it, the exact same race living in different countries?
>>57313904
Yes
>>57313904
fuck off we are not european we came from steppes we are not even caucasian
>>57313975
I'd love to be black but I am cursed with this white skin
Everyday I dream of being an alpha black male in USA , playing basketball and fucking every girl from any race
some are just muslim greeks some are subhuman
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Are Greeks just christianized Turks or are Turks actually islamized Greeks?
>>57314818
Turks are mongolised and then hellenised and then anatolianised africans
>>57314762
Why do people hate turks so much? I genuinely don't get it.
Turks in the UK are not even practising Muslims, they don't commit much crime either and usually work in hairdressers/fast food places.
They're barely distinguishable from Greeks, Italians or Spaniards.
>>57314846
this. we are true moors
>>57314943
Turks are scum, but so are spainiards
>>57313904
Pretty much.
>>57313904
I think they look different.
>>57315028
Why are they scum?
>>57313904
Mostly western turks in regions like Izmir and the northern Cappadocian and Pontic Greeks in the Black Sea Region.
Also don't listen to the other roaches speaking, there's no such thing as Anatolian peoples or Anatolian culture.
>>57314943
You haven't seen German Turks or Alamanci as they call them, or Turks in Turkey, and you generally don't seem to know any history.
>>57314943
Good Joke Mehmet
>>57314943
t.mehmet osmanoglu
>>57314943
>t. Turk in the UK
>>57315166
>>57315183
No onions in my doner
>>57315209
>>57315183
>>57315166
>>57315142
Not an argument
>>57313904
In terms of genetics Anatolians are subtly different from Greeks, but it's not due to any medieval steppe influence.
>>57315267
It is, you need to get familiar with Turkish history and with Turks, to realise why one would hate them.
Go do that, then post your bullshit.
>>57315130
>Biggest historical enemy of europeans
>Happy that Europe is going to shit
>Turkish nationalists are the most obnoxious human beings in the world
They are all scum
I couldn't tell Turks and Greeks apart
t. been in both countries
>>57315267
Turks look like Arabs here and Greeks,Italians and Spaniards look different
>>57315142
>no such thing as Anatolian peoples or Anatolian culture
Did the Hittites not leave descendants?
>>57315329
Depends on where you've been in Turkey
>>57315320
>>57315309
>muh history
>muh minority nationalism
Literally fuck off.
What is so bad about the average turk in 2016?
>>57315142
>>57315366
it's other way around. greeks were invader in anatolia.
>>57315256
>No onions in my doner
so thats what this song is about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nzRd1Il59w
>>57315385
pls stop
>>57315385
>Trivializing things with "muh"
>Expecting Turks to change, ever
The average Turk in 2016 tapes drywall and still brags about how amazing turkey is and how they enslaved europeans at one point.
>>57315130
People started to hate turks after they invaded Cyprus, which sparked a small conflict with the EU. People also want Turkey to pay repertations to Armenia because of the killing of 500.000-1.5million people. Turks are also hated because of the Ottomans, as they constantly were at war with Europe and the europeans saw them as the ultimate threat, it kinda carried on from time. The biggest reason Turkey is hated today though is because there are claims that they support ISIS, and probably the most important aspect, is that they shot down the Russian Jet which made Putinbots furious.
Turkey in general has a very "I don't give a fuck" attiude, which slows down dipolmatic relations and makes them generally disliked.
>>57315366
Yeah, a 1000 years of non-existence usually dillutes your blood.
>>57315385
People don't change you retard, that shit only exists in Disney movies, Turks from the Seljuk Empire until today were warmongering horseniggers and everything else, like administration and diplomacy was usually taken care of by converted slavs/greeks/armenians, that went on as the time passed, and your average Turk is like an angry manlet usually.
>>57315385
stop
>>57315442
we did enslave europeans. we colonised their smelly continent for really long time and once they tried opposite we kicked their smelly ass into oblivion. we truly are superior to europeans.
>>57315609
>Muh balkans
Yeah big accomplishment. You're only validating our hatred Mehmet.
>>57315637
>muh heritage
>>57315609
>Now turks try desperately to work in Europe because turkey is a smelly brown shithole with kurds and other people killing them
>>57315609
>kicked their smelly ass into oblivion
You're forgetting something Suleiman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence
>>57315668
>Implying I'd have to be of balkan descent to hate the turks
I'm half anglo, Half Mik'maq
>>57315637
> a Canadain talking about relevancy.
:^)
Ahem
>>57315705
>muh half anglo heritage fuels my hatred towards turks even though they have done nothing to upset muh greater forefathers
>>57315637
>be invader european white trash
>randomly attack innocent tiny turk tribes
>get your ass kicked
>do it again
>get your ass kicked again
>managed to lose 10 times in a row
visit us again we will test something :^)
>>57315712
Way better place to live than Turkey.
>>57315755
even somalia is a better place to live in than turkey
step it up
>>57315752
I could be Asian and still be disgusted by you Turks. You're proud that you tried to snuff out civilization. See
>>57315754
>>57313904
Turks are real Greeks from former empire, Modern Greeks are really Southern Slavs
>>57315782
>thousands of clueless bastards going apeshit on foreign lands because "muh sacred places "
>civilization
>>57315811
No, bulgarians, serbians, bosnians and croats are southern slavs, they are even darker than turks.
>>57315856
>They weren't retaliating! only chimping out!
>By the way we Turks wuz attila n sheit too.
>>57315309
You're never getting Constantinople back, bro. Yeah it sucks and I understand its cultural and emotional significance to your people but you need to learn to let go and fix your own problems instead of just hating the descendants of people that only did to your ancestors what they did to so many other cultures before them.
>>57313904
Most likely.
>>57315909
>berbers
>muslims
>>57315909
They just couldn't get over the fact that they have lost the territory.
>>57315996
Yes. It was an attack on Christendom all the same from brown subhumans
>>57316020
Yeah so they were trying to reclaim it. "Chimping out" Is what you turks did to get it in the first place. You paid the price in the end though. Modern Turkey is shit and you're all trying to leave.
>>57315915
You really don't know any modern Greek history, do you?
Since the conception of the Modern Greek state we've always lived in poverty, with no supplies and with massive starvation, yet we kept expanding and expanding and expanding, this little debt crisis is nothing much if you see the history Greece has been through.
But what do you expect
Burger """""""""""""""""education""""""""""""""""""""
>>57315811
>Unironically believing in Bulgarian memes
>>57316038
It was not an attack on Christendom, it was just a bunch of raiders invading countries that were too stupid to unite because they couldn't decide which inbred royal would be the next king. Were the Vikings seen as attackers of Christendom because they believed in other Gods and killed and invaded Christan lands?
>>57316082
Why so angry canadian ? I see you wvery turkey hate thread. Does a turk bullied you ?
>>57316144
No because they are "cool" and "badass" warriors
And also muh odin
>>57316144
>Take European christian slaves
>They paler the more expensive
That's an attack on Europe and Christendom.
>Were the Vikings seen as attackers of Christendom because they believed in other Gods and killed and invaded Christan lands?
Of course. But they converted eventually and weren't shitskins.
>>57316198
I've been banned for days, But most other leafs hate turks too.
>>57314943
But we're white, unlike t*rks
>>57316144
It was, since Muhammed wanted to conquer Constantinople since the Emperor didn't want to convert, and it was an attack on Christendom because they forcefully converted the remaining
Ghassanids during the beginning of their expansion.
The only reason the muslims didn't outright convert/kill everyone, is because, like all semitic peoples, they are more greedy than angry, like the good Jews they are, they made the Christians and peoples of other religions, pay the Jizya.
>>57316216
No, todays Vikings are seen as "le epic nordic pagan warriors who didnu nuffin. You're just trying to antagonize an entire peoples group because of a bunch of Raiders invading the country of your anchestors hundreds of years ago
ITT:
TIDF
>>57316216
>That's an attack on Europe and Christendom.
>its okay when we do it to others
>its not okay when others do it to us
lul, balkans was literally a turkish colony for a few hundred years
>>57316320
Vikings were cool but they were also were European and not as disgusting in general. They didn't take slave boys captive to fight their people or create eunuchs. Turks were truly vile. The difference is, Vikings raided anglo saxons and the frannks but got converted and then helped Europe and contributed. I.E Normans, Byzantine Varangians.
>You're just trying to antagonize an entire peoples group because of a bunch of Raiders invading the country of your anchestors hundreds of years ago
Not mine ancestral homelands, but look at the turks ITT they are trying to rub it in peoples faces. Justifying this hatred.
>>57316391
Your pedo prophet started it, it's retaliation, so it's okay if we do it to you, so fuck off Mehmet.
>>57316391
I'm not Balkan. You're ignoring what I said, the vikings were attacking other Europeans and Christendom witch was wrong. They did it briefly and converted. Context is important mehmet. Plus they weren't sand niggers like you.
>>57316459
Indo-Aryans
That's why
>>57316453
They're not trying to rub anything into anyone, its just turkish """"""""""""banter""""""""""", take it easy lad not everyone on the internet is serious
>>57316252
If that is the case why leafs hate turkey. Like we didn't even went to war with you. I can understand a disdain for turks in general but hating a country just because western media sheningans about isis (see https://youtu.be/Ta75NNb6MQ8 isis calls russia, iran and turkey axis of evil), the whole cyprus "invasion" or historical events from 500 years ago is utterly pointless and self-harming.
Seriously why the fuck a leaf give a shit about middle eastern meme country ?
>>57316485
we have not changed our ways with islam really, you are not special either
turkic invasions had been going on since 1000bc+ starting in china and moving westward
anatolia is the final position we settled in is all
also ottomans were literally a muslim turkish byzantine empire, they weren't very turkic and evolved into the current turkish culture over time
>>57313904
>>57315103
they are literally the same
>>57316552
It's not banter though. The internet is full of Turkish nationalists who believe it or not, truly mean the things they say. They are jealous of Europeans and get their rocks off to the idea of inhabiting European lands.
>>57316391
georgian looks like my dad
>>57316525
>""vikings""
viking were a meme group, northern europe did not convert willingly, they were conquered into conversion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
also ottomans had a lot of christians fighting in their armies from the beginning, at a few moments in history they even had full christian armies fighting for them on the balkans front
>>57316549
>Implying Persians are shitskins
When you Germanics were eating plants covered with shit after being recommended by the druid to do it, the Persians were building Empires, same as us.
>>57316571
>utterly pointless and self-harming
It's not the fact that these events happened, it's that you take pride in these events.
>>57316612
Actually you did, if you look at the mongols, and some other Turkic nomads, you'd see that they were just conquerors, and really good at being "multicultural" for their time, but after being influenced by islam, things took a turn for the worst.
>muslim turkish byzantine empire
No
Just because Mehmed said so, it doesn't mean it is.
The Ottomans had nothing to do with the Romans, and that's painfully evident if you actually studied Eastern Roman history.
>>57316636
That goes for every country, I don't think the Turks ITT are being serious, at least I can't imagine.
I live next to a few turks and they are very kind people, maybe a bit too loud, but other than that they're okay. You'll always find idiots on the internet and in real life but every peoples group has its good and bad people
>>57316636
>They are jealous of Europeans
how come? "the best white is dead white" is a common saying here.
>>57315385
>Ignoring History.
British Education.
>>57316696
Janissaries were stolen children from Christian families, not Christians themselves, and the only times you were helped by Christian troops, was either when the people were too poor and had to enlist in the army to survive, or you fought against Catholics that were despised by the Orthodox troops.
>>57316089
>Since the conception of the Modern Greek state we've always lived in poverty, with no supplies and with massive starvation
This proves nothing other than your country's own incompetence. You're like the Mexicans who think their government will take back California any day now because the population is growing and that this will solve all their problems despite the fact that they live in a failed state while their opponent is as strong as ever. Accept your past and present for what it is and forge better cultural and economic ties with Turkey, improving both your countries and placing your differences behind you.
>>57316802
not jannisarries you olive nigger, actual christians fighting for them
read a book
>stolen
forcefully recruited, we also picked that up from the byzantine empire who used to do the same thing to slavs
>>57316718
>It's not the fact that these events happened, it's that you take pride in these events.
Because you take pride in Alexander and Spartans too.
Why we can't be proud of our history ? Do we really need to be self hating cucks like swedes and germans to be likeable.
If so we won't take it and you can be mad all day that today istanbul belongs to us.
>>57316391
I didn't realize Georgians and Armenians looked so different. I thought they came from the same genetic stock?
>>57316896
>Surrounded by a huge Empire, which Empire never bothered to improve infrastructure, education and industry when you were free.
>Poor illiterate farmers suddenly rebel and free eachother
>Freemasonic families go ahead and try to rule parts of Greece only to be denied by based Kapodistrias
>Kapodistrias assasinated
>Shitty republic gets formed
>Shit king forced down our throats by the Great Powers
>Dragged on to wars every decade, eventually draining our coffers
>Win most of the wars
>WW1 happens, we become a sick pen for the allies
>""""""Republican"""""""" Jew causes a civil war between the nation, leading Northern Greece to fight for the allies
>Turks with the help of another Jew, "rebel" and the Turkish Republic is formed
>Kind of improving
>Have very based dictatorship
>WW2 happens
>We beat the Italians
>Germans blitzkrieg us
>German/Bulgarian/Italian occupation awful
>Greeks starved
>Partizan revolutionaries rise up, mostly communists
>Capitalist revolutionaries also rise up
>Greece is free
>Civil War between Capitalists and Communists
>Capitalists win
>We aren't subjugated by the Iron Curtain
>fast forward a few years
>Based coup d'etat
>Military junta
>Based Papadopoulos want to complete our union with Cyprus
>Papadopoulos deposed by CIA-supported goon
>Retard manages to pull back the Greek army just in time so that the Turks attack
>Regime falls
>Socialism becomes prevalent due to all the shilling from the expelled communist Greeks from the civil war and how "bad" the junta was
>all parties in Greece become socialist/centrist
>incompetence
You don't know shit, Burger. Fuck off and fuck you.
>>57316958
You didn't read my post did you, out of the few times Christians actually fought for you, was due to extreme poverty, or special cases where the Christians fighting for you hated the Christians you were fighting against, great example Hungary and the Serbs.
>>57317026
>Alexander
A conqueror loved by all, beat back the Persian threat of subjugation and was regarded by all who he ruled over as a saviour, even being crowned as a pharaoh for liberating Egypt from the Achaemenids.
>Spartans
Highly intelligent peoples that were tough warriors and very respectful of the rules of war and managed to beat back the Persians along with the other Greek states when the Achaemenid Empire was at its might.
>Turks
Kill, pillage, forcefully convert, destroy, destroy, not improve, slavery, genocide etc etc
There's nothing honourable about Turkish history, you have always been known as destroyers, as enemies, as bastards of the muslims, there is nothing for you to be proud, other than destruction and death, but for a muslim, that's enough.
take it to /pol/ lads
>>57317355
A nation that can't determine its own fate is incompetent. I'm sorry, but that's a correct description. Mexico has had tons of hardships and revolutions too, but nobody hesitates to call them out on their shittiness. Why should anyone support a country with an unstable government wanting to seize territory from their more successful neighbor for nationalist reasons?
>>57317794
If you actually bothered to read, most instabilities to our goverments was caused due to foreign intervention.
For example
The Greek Monarchy
The Communist propaganda by the Soviets and the Yugoslavs
and the EU.
We were too powerless to determine our own fate, and when we finally could, the people were too brainwashed to do it.
>>57317355
no it wasn't
christians fought alongside ottoman turks from the very beginning until the 19th century, quite frequently and voluntarily
since you have never actually read history and took your information from pol and propaganda you don't know about this of course
>>57314943
Because this is secretly a kurdish propaganda board.
>>57318092
>muh /pol/ is a waisis and propagandist board meme
Devsirme recruits were muslim converts you roach
>>57317197
Armenians are Indo-Europeans who are virtually indistinguishable from middle-easterns.
Georgians are indigenous Caucasians speaking a non-IE language. There's literally nothing in common between us except for religion, and even that is a little bit different since Armenians have some coptic elements in their church.
>>57317527
>there is nothing for you to be proud
The Ottomans breathed new life into the rotting corpse of the Roman Empire and restored its millennia-old purpose: waging war and taking as many slaves as possible. They tolerated other faiths (to an extent) while the Christians rioted and sold each other out over hair-splitting theological differences. Trade prospered under them, and they created monumental works of architecture that had not been equaled since Justinian's reign.
They also gave you gyro.
>>57314818
How would Greeks be christianized Turks if Turks showed up in the region after it was christianized?
>>57316612
Why do westernized Turkish women dress like hookers?
>>57318428
Putting some minarets around Hagia Sophia doesn't mean shit
>>57318623
This is a meme-tier TV show that's why they are dressed like hookers
>>57317988
Mexico had similar problems and worse.
>and the EU.
that one's your own damn fault and you know it.
>We were too powerless to determine our own fate, and when we finally could, the people were too brainwashed to do it.
So why should you now be entrusted with Eastern Thrace if your people are so easily manipulated and subdued?
>>57318624
The Blue Mosque is a separate structure that just resembles the Hagia Sophia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Ahmed_Mosque
>>57318428
>monumental works of architecture
Even though their greatest building remained the Hagia Sophia
>while the Christians rioted and sold each other out over hair-splitting theological differences
Implying the Sunni Turks didm't hate the Shia muslims
People of faiths hate heretics more than heathens.
>waging war and taking as many slaves as possible
You forgot the part where they were civilized, cultured, intellectual, scientific and very liberal in some matters
>trade prospered
As it always had, you had to be extremely retarded to NOT make money by controlling the Bosphorus
>had not been equaled
and still haven't
>but m-muh blue mosque
Literally showing the penis envy of the Ottomans when they realised that their grand building were nothing but turds in comparison to the Hagia Sophia.
>>57318692
>Only Eastern Thrace
Wow, you really don't know history huh...
Anyways, I'm not saying we should be given the lands now, because we'll only fuck up even more, since the Jews and co. have shilled their way into making Europe even more socialist. But now, the refugees are flooding Europe, Europeans are becoming disdainful, right-wing parties are rising up, and when the right becomes more prevalent, then it should take them.
>>57318328
i am not talking about the devsirme recruits you absolute nigger, i am talking about actual volunteer christian forces
devsirme jannisarries were a small but elite unit of the ottomans, the back of the army was sipahi heavy horse cavalry and the other foot-soldiers were mixed units from the balkans including christians and other religions.
i am not saying that ottomans were a 'good' aligned empire, but you seem to think in your rotten greek brain that they were somehow worse than the other empires of their time
also read a fucking book, you neo-albanian softass olive oil smuggling euro money hoarding bimbo bitch
>>57318799
blue mosque is similar because ottomans picked up byzantine architecture as their main style
they also built other structures in accordance with that architectural style, like hot baths, toilets, fountains, aqueducts etc.
>>57318873
>uwaa ottomans never built anything!
its because you, in your uncivilized, niggerish ways, demolished and burned nearly all ottoman structural heritage everywhere you gained independence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims#Destruction_of_Muslim_heritage
this is why i hate the balkan colonies sometimes, they literally went full nigger mode in the 19th century
>>57319144
I already mentioned those Christian volunteers you fucking roach, and they either volunteered in the Sipahi forces because they were poor, or the vassals were obliged to bring troops, or Christians that hated other Christians even more.
It was not the norm for the Ottoman army to have Christian volunteers other than devsirme.
>>57315459
>People started to hate turks after they invaded Cyprus, which sparked a small conflict with the EU.
>Turkey in general has a very "I don't give a fuck" attiude, which slows down dipolmatic relations and makes them generally disliked.
any neutral observer looking at the cyprus conflict can see that the greeks were being reckless nationalistic assholes and got exactly what they had coming to them
you can talk shit about lots of horrible shit turks have done over the years, but that isn't one of them
>>57315309
>i hate an entire people because le oppression
retard
>>57319330
>boo hoo Greeks destroyed our shitty mosques
>boo hoo
Fuck you, you built things we didn't even want in our lands (after you forcefully occupied them) and yet you call us niggers?
HA
>>57319419
>using le
>not realising that people don't change
Go back to plebbit Effendi
>>57314943
My cousin works in Germany. He opened an autoshop near Frankfurt and employed cheap workforce. He says Turks are more hardworking than Greeks, but he minds their praying pauses instead of eating and other stuff you do during breaks (he's a hardline Catholic)
I also have another cousin, who's a mature man with a career in Mercedes (20 years). He's worked with Italians, Turks, Greeks, former Yugoslavs. He says there is no major difference between Italians and Greeks. Both are stubborn, lazy and self-righteous, ex-Yus are a banterious bunch and Turks just keep to themselves (obvious social reasons) but are good workers. Of course, he knows more Turks on welfare than working, as he said. But those who he worked with are apparently much better than Greeks
The real world says something else, and bases people on a bit of merit along with that healthy bias. You won't get an honest opinion here from competing country. Even I would spend half a day explaining why Croatia is better than Serbia, but the truth is there
Turkey is better off than Greece, more powerful, more wealthy, more competing, a better financial centre, better military, also having stunning nature, thriving tourism sector...
There's the matter of individual wellbeing, but it's a matter of time Turkey will surpass every single one of us here. Just like Romania was dirt poor ten years ago while Croatia shot for the stars (was on the same level Slovenia is today), but then the recession happened. Romania is looking up now, it already surpassed us. Turkey will too. And if they didn't have the dangerous construction blob, they'd be a great market of cheap goods and services
>>57319332
well first of all they could not volunteer for the sipahi forces because sipahi forces were landowners and other turkish mounted units, not christians
secondly yes it was a common occurance for christians to volunteer and fight alongside the ottoman army other than devsirme, some fiefs (albania, serbia, wallachia) even held standing armies that joined with the sultan whenever he went on a campaign, there are recorded christian troops fighting as far as in the iranian mountains from the balkans, and indeed there were christian turks as well (karamanli)
as i have said, you don't seem to know anything, at all about the history of these events
so how about you read a book first? olive nigger.
>>57319540
>not realising that people don't change
you really are a dense motherfucker
Turkish are literally just Greeks speaking a Turkic language.
>>57318692
>Mexico had similar problems and worse.
C H I C A N O
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GET OUT WITH YOUR FOREIGN SYMPATHIES BENEDICT
>>57319771
And your picture accurately describes why that's not true
>>57319650
You see this flag?
That's the flag used be Greek sipahis in the Ottoman Empire
So you're incorrect about what you're saying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Greece
Plus, you haven't given any sources to your claims, whereas in this article http://ieg-ego.eu/en/threads/models-and-stereotypes/from-the-turkish-menace-to-orientalism/emrah-safa-gurkan-christian-allies-of-the-ottoman-empire#ChristiansintheServiceoftheOttomans
Only Greeks that hated the venetians volunteered in the Ottoman navy and that falls in my theory of Christians hating other Christians more than muslims, and vassal troops that mostly changed sides, and, surprise surprise, hated other Christians.
>>57319330
>colonies
These "colonies" were the main manpower and taxes source in the empire. Imagine what kind of a shithole was Anatolia, Euphrates and Tigris, ME Littoral...
No honest academic, Turkish or not, ever called Rum(elia) and its administrative division "colonies". Ever
>>57313904
Western Anatolians are civilized people and atheists they are also related to ancient Greeks.
There many Muslim Greeks in WesternTurkey that got Turkified and refuse to pay denbts and while glorifying the ones who cucked them up aka the Ottomans.
>>57319934
In the beginning, they were not, but after faulty Turkish administration, the economic growth shifted from the Balkans to Anatolia, and the Balkans became a shithole.
>>57318873
>Even though their greatest building remained the Hagia Sophia
It's a very nice building. Should they have destroyed it instead like the Christians did to so many pagan temples and oracles?
>You forgot the part where they were civilized, cultured, intellectual, scientific and very liberal in some matters
And you forgot the same for the Ottomans.
>hurr blue mosque doesn't count because it's based off hagia sophia
Why should this matter? Is it somehow less impressive because it is based off the designs of a culture 1000 years previous? The Suleiman Mosque is even bigger and looks more aesthetic, is it also disqualified from greatness for resembling one of the finest works of architecture ever conceived?
>since the Jews and co. have shilled their way into making Europe even more socialist. But now, the refugees are flooding Europe, Europeans are becoming disdainful, right-wing parties are rising up, and when the right becomes more prevalent, then it should take them.
If you think that the resurgence of center right immigration policies means that the rest of Europe will be on board with your plan to commit genocide against one of NATO's most powerful members over a nationalist masturbation fantasy you are deluded.
Get over your hatred and grow up.
>>57319878
The difference between them is less than the difference between Russians and Ukrainians or Germans and the Dutch. They are practically identical.
>>57319898
>g-g-greeks only volunteered when they wanted x
we were talking about christians, not greeks. you were saying that the christians fought rarely alongside the ottomans, but that does not reflect reality
from the page you posted
>While recruitment to the devşirme system entailed conversion, at the provincial level, Christians could find employment in the Ottoman military while preserving their religion.17 They were generally used as auxiliary forces; however, they also existed within the more prestigious tîmâr system, a system of prebends under which land was granted for a limited term in exchange for military service.18 Furthermore, the Ottoman army contained several contingents of their Christian vassals, situated on the left flank of the army where the Rumili askeri, "the Balkan soldiers"
>There were Christians in the navy as well. We do not know much about the early Ottoman navy. According to the scattered information in western sources, however, we do know that the Ottomans employed Christians in their fleets as early as the 15th century. In 1416, the Venetian admiral Pietro Loredan (c. 1482–1570) encountered Genovese, Sicilians and Catalans among the captured Ottoman sailors.20 One can find more examples among the Ottoman corsairs in North Africa.
>>57319934
rumelia became the economic base during the golden years and the rise of the empire. ottoman turks basically saw balkans and europe as a land of adventure and possibilities, ottomans sent yoruk turkmens to the area for them to settle, they moved turks into cities to create a supportive muslim base there as well but anatolia was always a backbone to the ottomans
you can see this when you research how much shit the celali revolts stirred in the empire
>>57320255
>>You forgot the part where they were civilized, cultured, intellectual, scientific and very liberal in some matters
>ottomans were scientific, cultured, intellectual
i don't know about that, i don't think ottomans were good in those fields at all honestly. sure the palace was great for such things, but they never bothered to educate the common folk
ottomans were a war based neo-byzantine empire, they should have reformed long before the tanzimat during their golden years just like the europeans to stay competitive, but they thought themselves greater than anyone else so they were destroyed.
>>57320255
>against one of NATO's most powerful members over a nationalist masturbation fantasy you are deluded
Wow, you JUST proved to me that you're a turk
Most NATO members don't actually want Turkey alongside them, and since they're being aggressors to the upcoming Russia - Turkey conflict, they won't give a flying fuck
>Why should this matter?
Because one was build in 1616 and the other was built 537, yet it still manages to be much better
>civilized
a demented form of muslim civilization doesn't mean being civilized
>cultured
muslim culture barely a significant culture
>intellectual, scientific
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>very liberal in some matters
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>57320425
>which land was granted for a limited term in exchange for military service
So... They were poor and wanted lands
So, I was right.
There were barely any Turkmens in the Ottoman Empire, let alone in Balkans
>>57313904
Not at all.
Turks have mongoloid skulls
>>57316262
you wish
>>57313904
I believe we, the Turks, the Germans, and the Dutch are all the same people. I really can't tell the difference in posting when seeing any of those flags.
>>57320576
well the whole structure was rebuilt many times, but it was built by romans, not greeks. modern day greeks don't have anything to do with the ancient greeks, not genetically and not culturally.
also that whole post is just memespewing, do all greeks have brain damage like you?
>>57315754
>not posting this
>>57320612
But they have two eyes and one mouth, just like us.
You can't ignore the facts that we're the same people.
*farts*
>>57320904
>claims I'm memespewing
>rumlars nut greks, greks ar slav torks
http://www.scribd.com/doc/302459563/1426088197019
Fuck off Erdocuck
>>57320923
>using wikipedia as a credible source for battle reports
0
>>57321041
>the turkish population that entered anatolia was around 200k
>the anatolian population was around 11million
kek stopped reading there, this is probably one of the turkish baitposters from /tr/
>>57321081
>those battles aren't won because wiki says so
i agree with you on casualities/strength but you cant shill a won war
>>57321081
>>57321161
>kek I'm denying the truth since it goes against my turanic ideas
>>57321212
>black m*tal
lmao. also varg thinks "turks" came from central asia. he is an ignorant meme "musician"
>>57314943
Turks have horrible diaspora
>>57316612
Do Turk women commonly dye their hair blonde?
>>57320425
>rumelia became the economic base during the golden years and the rise of the empire. ottoman turks basically saw balkans and europe as a land of adventure and possibilities, ottomans sent yoruk turkmens to the area for them to settle, they moved turks into cities to create a supportive muslim base there as well but anatolia was always a backbone to the ottomans
you can see this when you research how much shit the celali revolts stirred in the empire
It was the backbone of Ottoman cavalry, because it was organized on big feudal patches with easily mobilized horsemen/archers (which were very effective and popular in the Ottoman armies up until the 17th century. For all other purposes, Rumelia, this side of the Empire, was always the economic backbone
The wealth and populace Anatolia amassed was through resettlements (most of the times forced, 16th and 17th century) and labour imposed on Rumelian administrative units. Fiscal surveys of the Empire show clear importance of Rumelia over Anatolian Eyalet from 16th to 18th century
>>57321212
>wikipedia uses other sources so its fine
wikipedia actually rarely ever uses direct sources. it generally uses books written by authors that have looked at the actual sources, or sometimes worse, articles written by people that have read the books of people who have looked at sources
there is also the fact that these pages are often made and controlled by highly nationalistic and autistic internet personas who do nothing but use shitty one sided unrealistic source material for their own personal masturbation pages
using wikipedia as anything other than information outlier or a lead to more source material is absolutely retarded
>>57321272
where did you come from then?
>>57315385
The average 2016 Turk is literally
>muh Ottoman history
>muh dindunuffin
>muh north cyprus
>muh kurds are subhuman
>>57321272
Where the fuck else would you all have come from? Did you just emerge from ten thousand years old burrows underground in 11th century anatolia?
>>57315103
>I have never been to Greece and Turkey
They are literally same people. It's just in Europe we use term "Muslim" as a carpet name for all brown people because Islam is an easier target. Can't say "brown people" to not seem racist.
>>57321212
Aren't you Christian?
>>57321437
The Turkic characteristics are gone from your everyday Turk
Turks are just aGreek/Kurdish/Armenian/Caucasoid/Anatolian mixture
>>57321489
>somewhat tanned
>shitskins
>doesn't know that the pale hwhite myn were barbarians too
What group did classical Greeks belong to if they're now so similar to Turks? I'm not great with ancient ethnicities.
>>57315915
>Hey they genocided your ancestors, stole their land, and don't acknowledge it but you should forgive them because X years have passed
>>57321375
well i can agree with your post, i think calling balkans a colony was perhaps going too far. the importance of rumeli came from the florishing trade on the shores as well
also it should be noted that a lot of the production requirements and trade bases from anatolia was shifted to north africa and levant as the empire absorbed the mamluk empire quickly after the war
>>57321546
>The Turkic characteristics are gone from your everyday Turk
apart from the slant eyes and dark black hair?
>>57321561
>Ancient Greeks
>Modern Greeks
Nigel, I...
>>57321591
Gee why does it sound so similiar
>>57321546
>people on that pic
>just """""somewhat tanned""""" tanned and not shitskin
I dunno man, I visited both countries. People in Turkey didn't seem much darker than those in Greece. Literally looked all the same to me.
>>57320576
>Wow, you JUST proved to me that you're a turk
My ancestry is English and French, two groups of people who have done far more for the world in the past 200 years than yours has in the last 1400. Turkey is our ally against Russia, and if you want to be ruled by Putin I suggest you move to Crimea.
>demented...barely a significant culture, hahaha
The Ottomans were no better or worse than contemporary Spain in these aspects up until 1492 when Columbus accidentally found the Americas.
And yes, the Ottomans were more liberal in that they encouraged freer markets than most of Catholic Europe and they became a haven for Jews fleeing from mass hysteria.
>>57321646
They are like a combination of chinks and shitskins
>>57321561
hellenic, indo-european
>>57321591
>genocided greeks
well if we had there wouldn't be any greeks alive today, greece was under turkish control for over 500 years
>>57321546
I think he's (the Pole) not approaching this from a white supremacist perspective of "bad brown people look the same", so I don't know how he warranted your comment about pale people being barbarians too.
He just stated something factual. A good portion of people from here to the Turkish coast can easily be mistaken for something else
>>57317794
>the holocaust would be okay if Germany had won!
>>57321561
western anatolians.
Some turks might look greek but it's rare for greek to look turkish, turks got too many foreign influx, from steppe mongols to arabs and some minor celtic tribe settle in the middle of turkey. Also some sexing with some slavs both for greece and turkey.
>>57317988
Don't forget about what we did lmao
>>57321646
Look at their eyes chiko , they eyes never lie
>>57321672
Depends on where you went in Greece and Turkey, if you went in Atheniggerstan of course you'd see more brownies, and the pic you posted is of Communists, which most darkies support, because "muh human rights and shit"
>>57321802
Yeah I forgot, the CIA-backed junta
Oh you America, putting your nose everywhere and deposing democratic governments in the name of democracy
>>57321760
This "Turkic" look is rare in Turkey, and just let me see a Turk from here mistaking almond eyes for Turkic genes, I fucking swear, mate...
>>57319569
Turkey is still poorer than many eastern European nations...
At the current rate it is growing slower than many EE's as well.
>>57321715
Except Corfu
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>tfw 50% Hellenes 50% Romans
>tfw untouched by the Ottoroach Empire
>tfw was under European Rule
God save the queen, lads.
>>57321721
>A good portion of people from here to the Turkish coast can easily be mistaken for something else
yup you got my point, I visited both countries and people all looked like the people in that Greece protest photo I posted above.
Just giving my honest opinion on what I've personally seen.
>>57321833
Dude on the left looking away is pretty handsome honestly
>>57321715
Genocided does not indicate a full genocide.
The Jews got genocided, but they still exist.
>>57321715
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
And it was 360 years, not 500 years, that was the Bulgarians
>>57321833
le eyes chiko, le eyes
>>57322000
by paki standards?
>>57321876
You're welcome dude right wing coup lmao
>>57321932
How exactly did they sort out who was Greek and who was Turkic during the forced population transfers?
>>57322000
t. chavette
>>57313904
Western Turks are like Greeks and nobody cares about the rest.
>>57322028
jews got "trimmed"
>>57322028
>Actually believes in the Holohoax
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>57322055
Those people are most likely from Ankara (Ancyra) or some place in Eastern Turkey, maybe Antakya (Antioch)
>>57322091
Unfortunately only Papadopoulos reign was any good, the later Coronels were retards and eventually we lost Cyprus to the Turks because of them, so I don't really appreciate what you did.
>>57322091
Basically the ones who were Muslims and the ones who were Christians.
Look up the term "ethnoreligious", it was true for the Greeks, not so much for the Turks.
>>57322055
And this is basically what Turks in Thrace look like if you ever been in West Thrace.
>>57321918
the current economic growths slow down is because of the instability and the government, we still have a lot of potential growth left
>>57317988
>we were powerless
>we did no evil
>the evil white man is holding us down
literally nigger tier
>>57321908
genetically we are mixed to all hell. currently genetics testing in turkey is actually illegal as well. the source used for these maps is also a very shady one, i forgot the name but they all literally use the same one
>>57321833
we come from oghuz turks, who are different than kazakhs a bit
You stupid idiots stop to fail for this bait.
>>57322262
I mean genetically there's no doubt that we're two whole different races BUT. A large part of our population is "turkified" which basically means carrying all those characteristics that make kebabs useless.
Just read some of the replies from both Greek and Turkish posters and hide the flags, you wont be able to tell them apart.
>>57313904
No greek.
Its Germany & Turkey. Merkel give us passport to fuck Europe.
>>57321918
It requires more maintenance than most Eastern European nations. On an individual basis (GDP per capita, for example, rights for certain groups like homosexuals and son on) Turkey still has a way ahead. The important thing is, their way/road is much wider than ours. They will catch up and eventually surpass us. They already have a market the size of all Balkan republics together. The forecasts are looking stable so far. They're working on pegging that inflation, reaching their goals towards the end of 2016. My personal estimates (take this with an atom of salt) is that Turkey will match our 21k PPP by 2020. I sincerely think the days of big macroeconomic instability for Turkey is over. Every website I scoured so far shows slow and sure growth. They have the needed legs for this. An unicameral parliament, an Erdogan cult (not a personal favourite but he gets the job done) and why do I say this? Because these instabilities happened because of politics and its failure to implement good policies. They will go/converge towards European markets and set a path for stability
>>57322281
>nigger tier
says the kebab
POT
KETTLE
BLACK
>>57322383
>Turkified
Culturally, somewhat
Genetically, nope
>>57322262
Pomaks are Bulgarian muslims
>>57321465
>turks
>turks
>>57322055
>grey wolves
literally kurds having an identity crisis
>>57321833
>diaspora turks
lol
>>57321546
explain my green, slanted eyes
I know there are lots of albanians in TUrkey.Do they mix with the turks?
>>57322529
Sultan rape woman !!!
>>57322529
Some genes remained, you're most likely Kurdish Armenian though if you are from the east, or slavic bulgar if you're from the west
>>57322563
Albanians are not a race
Just Austrohungarian memes
>>57322495
Why are you now bringing up Space Marines?
>>57322632
im tatar-jew. you are wrong
>>57322716
That explains it
Ashkenazi Jews are actually originated from a Turkic Nomadic group called the Khazars during the Early Middle Ages.
>>57313904
Ok, chappie. Let's break this down once and for all then. Here's some Turkish Y haplogroups.
>>57322806
yeah
>>57322702
its their handsign in that pic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_(organization)
it started as an interesting organization, currently its cancer
i have known two grey wolf supporting people in my life, one was a moroccan immigrant families son, the other was a kurd
>>57321161
>Turks are actually Turkic
Sure thing Mehmet, you're no different than Armenians and Kurds.
>>57322905
And here is Greek Y. Lots of similarities but Turkish seems more robust.
>>57321212
Yeah and have you ever checked those sources? Most are bullshit or biased. They are still written by humans you know. Not god.
>>57322905
>>57323060
Both are largely J2 and R1b, so mostly middle-eastern and western Euro.
>>57323053
>that post means that i am saying that turkish people are majorly turkic
can you spell braindamage for me?
the numbers are wrong as fuck, that is what i was saying
>>57319357
>but that isn't one of them
Except they're still occupying the northern part of the island to this day, displaced local populations Greek and Turkish alike and deported mainland Turks into the occupied part and calling them "Cypriots". Not to mention that they're threatning us to give them our natural gas which is located in our areas, but of course you'd sympathized with that judging from your nationality.
>>57323289
Too bad you chimped out and started killing Turks
Now pay the price kek
>>57313904
>>57314943
I don't know... i think its just a another /int/ meme started by buthurt slavs or something and everyone jumped on board because memes.
I barely ever see Turks but the ones I do see are pretty mild mannered and polite
>>57323406
Get out of my country mehmet
>>57321918
we are doing ok.
>>57323399
>Now pay the price kek
>South part is rich
>North part is as poor as Turkey and have to go beg for jobs in the South
I think someone's paying the price for their actions, but I don't think it's the Greeks. It's the same with kebabs fleeing to France only to get even more frustrated and start shitting up things with their suicide bombers.
>>57323289
come on now, invasion of cyprus was justified
we should have resolved this issue a long time ago but that is just the failure of turkish diplomacy desu
>>57323519
north part is poor because they are not recognized as a country by anyone else, they are literally living on turkish taxpayer neetbux
>>57323470
What's the problem? You don't have to mind.
>>57323586
>boo hoo we aren't recognized
>>57323519
>1974
>Turkey come save us from le evil Greeks they want us to become European and civilized
>fast forward 2016 please TURKEY LEAVE! WE WANT TO JOIN THE GREEKS !
you literally can't make this shit up, kebabs are completely useless
we actually cause more butthurt than israel US and russia combined. based a f
>>57323640
it is an illegal invasion by international law, but a morally right choice by the turkish government at the time
also i'm off, video is for you papadapoulos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsyRAPU8g0
>>57323741
you're leaving? was the turkish police tipped off again that you're visiting 4chan or other sites that let you express your opinions freely?
>>57323661
>kebabs are completely useless
not as useless as you though
>>57323741
>Wanted to help EOKA remove the britstains from Cyprus
>Turkish military zergs the island
>Morally right
There's nothing morally right the Turks have done, fuck off.
>>57323830
they fucked up big time there, had they decided to become european and civilized they would be able to drill for their natural gas and oils, and today they'd probably be as rich as Switzerland.
BUT NO! They actually preferred to stay muslim , be controlled by random kebab dictators and live like they did in medieval times, I mean talking about making all the wrong choices in life.
lel too much greek butthurt in this thread
Because Turks are violent genocidal land-grabbers who prey on civilians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batak_massacre
>>57323830
Please remind me again who won WW2?
>>57323986
If we're the ones butthurt, how come you're the one fleeing to white countries and blowing shit up ?
>>57314943
Memes, Turks are okay
>>57324167
dang dude contain you asshurt for a minute
>>57324187
Are we supposed to trust a muslims about that?
>>57324201
or else what? are you gonna rape the last two white women left in Brussels?
>>57324242
>>57324256
>>57324319
>Islamic Caliphate of Lelgium
kek
>>57324242
I'm a catholic but whatever gayreek
>>57324402
>Cucktholic
No difference
>>57313904
>>57314943
I literally have nothing against Turkey or Greece. They have similarities (kebabs gyros lmao) but a lot of differences too (different cultural backgrounds, religion etc) but generally I have never had a problem with either.
I think the whole Turk-roach is a meme because /int/ thrives on banter and memes. And also since there's an anti-muslim rhetoric/bant here because of Isis and cause Islam is generally pretty shitty* I guess it's more likely for Turkey to be a punching bag about it - even though at least Western Turkey is more casual and not like all the Middle Eastern countries in comparison (Saudi Arabia I'm looking at you)
Turkey definitely isn't perfect however and Greece is definitely the better country (no offense Turkey) but they don't deserve all the hate here either
* on the subject of Islam being shitty - have you tried comparing it to the teaching of say Taoism? Islam is fucking horrific in comparison and the only reason people defend it is because "muh multiculturalism not all muslims" pipe dream of equality which is really difficult to achieve without separating religion/state which is something Islam based countries THRIVE upon for the basis of control of the population. It's fucking hypocritical how it's acceptable to criticise America and Christianity but Islam? NO, BIG FUCKING NO NO - we might offend people!! I could go on.
>>57324839
The whole Turk-roach meme came to existence after an autistic Greek spammed Turks are roaches every day for weeks on /int/ until it cought on (probably the same guy in this thread right now)
Before that the roach meme was aimed at Brits.
>>57326234
Do you prefer getting called a roach, kebab or shitskin?
>>57314943
Only Turks I've met in real life were all disgusting shit heads, weather they looked white or not
>>57324839
>they don't deserve all the hate here either
Have you actually met their diaspora?
In the Netherlands, they commit the second most crimes in proportion to their population, only beaten by Moroccans. You say they are "secular", but a significant minority, so pretty much half of them, is deeply religious. Mosques are spreading like weeds through the country, and the Turks are by far their most prolific attendants.
Combined with their ridiculous government it's pretty easy to see why the roach meme has caught on.
>>57323477
haha greeks are poor as fug
>>57327192
0_o
>>57326692
>In the Netherlands, they commit the second most crimes in proportion to their population, only beaten by Moroccans.
Waarom lieg je op het internet? Antillianen en Surinamers staan hoger.
>>57323975
There is no natural gas or oil here though we have no resource that is worth anything
>>57327288
>>57327445
I didn't know Konsantiniyye was richer than all of Greece.
>>57327288
Still far better than at least a country that's likely to default
>>57327445
>>57327453
>>57327507
>>57327521
o_0
>>57327521
>Implying poverty can faze the Greeks
>>57326692
>>In the Netherlands, they commit the second most crimes in proportion to their population
sauce?
>>57327288
Eastern and Western Turkey should be counted seperatly desu. They are mostly Kurds. Majority of Turks live in west.
https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BCrkiye'de_iller_baz%C4%B1nda_ki%C5%9Fi_ba%C5%9F%C4%B1na_d%C3%BC%C5%9Fen_y%C4%B1ll%C4%B1k_milli_gelir
Turks are pretty much richer then Greeks lol.
>>57327666
He is lying. Don't know why.
Turks are the biggest group of foreigners here but Moroccans, Surinamese and Antillians are higher.
>>57314026
Is this a new copypasta?
>>57327718
ok let's see
Gr 17,703
Tr 9,180
>turks are far richer than Greeks excluding the Kurds
ok so that would mean that the turkish population has at least > 17,703
Turks in Turkey : about 60 million
Kurds in turkey : about 15 million
so
(17703*60/75)+(x*15/75)=9180
so that would put the Kurdish gdp pp at x >= $ -24,912
sure, why not
>>57328080
>x >= $ -24,912
x <= $ -24,912
>>57327659
>>57327664
Your country would default sooner or later if EU didn't support anymore.
Before that, pay back all debt.
sorry but turks are white
this is the average greek
