Why is Eastern Europe poorer than Western Europe?
Can anyone give me a reason?
>>57288246
>>57288246
Soviet imperialism.
Before that?
Economic exploitation by greater powers.
>>57288246
Western european state have been capitalist for a longer time.
slavs
>>57288246
>colonies
>communism
>>57288400
Dit
>>57288246
cause we are slavshit subhumans, duh
Gommies. We would likely be as rich as Austria without them, on the other hand at least we don't have shitskins.
Because the Serbs fucked it up for them.
>>57288470
kurwa, desu
Norway,Ireland,Switzerland!
Bravo!
I'd say it was communism, if we had 50 years of gapitalism we might have been in better shape I think.
cykablyad, communism has fallen 25 years ago. why do still blame it?
>>57288781
Because it lasted for 50, cykablyadvanjapizdamitjapidor
>>57288498
>>57288648
>>57288781
But before communism, wasn't Eastern Europe poorer than their western counterparts?
>>57288246
Russia.
Lack of colonies.
>>57288246
This little country here.
>>57288246
and anyway a lot of ware here come from Turkey, China and Malaysia. Produce a chair in Siberia and transfer it to the Eastern Europe still more expensive that import a chair from China.
I did quest of a Chezh chair in local area and found nothing.
What is picture? Russia is rich country like Sweden or Norway.
>>57289030
yes, in comparison to the West, we were on par with Spain, Italy and the likes though
>>57288781
do you seriously think 25 years is enough to build a wealthy country from a scratch?
>>57289030
Very interesting question for /his/
>>57289030
before communism the Europe was different: Russian Empire, German Reich, British Empire, French Republic, etc. which were all the same.
>>57289282
But Germany did it.
>>57289030
Yes, which is why communism took off there.
Marx expected Germany and Britain to be the first to become communist because they were the most industrialised, but the opposite happened. Communism seemed like a viable means out of poverty.
>>57289384
Russia is better than Germany.
>>57289265
Only in your wet false-patriotic dreams.
>>57288357
Fucking borat ruining everything
>>57288246
gommunism
>>57288246
because of 1000 years of slavery and a genocide of normal people. for example 99% of russians are slaves
>>57289282
>do you seriously think 25 years is enough to build a wealthy country from a scratch?
I think it is enough to forget about past when you can really do something. If not, you make continue to make movies about bad Russians in 40s and how they could kill your president in 00s.
>>57289396
Why didn't it take off in Ireland, because you were Eastern Europe tier before you joined the EU?
>>57289456
>t. khokhol
>>57288470
this
>>57289384
What do you mean?
>>57289487
>because of 1000 years of slavery
This phrase you said about Roman Empire, right?
>>57288781
Well I'm talking about the period from 1945 up until 1990. If we had capitalism during that period and if we also had trade access with the western world I think our industries could have kept up with the pace of technology that the west pioneered.
Instead we were treated like slaves by the soviets, our military hardware factories were dismantled after we joined the Warsaw pact.
Our airplane factories were turned into washing machine factories.
Traveling to western countries was restricted as well.
Our country was ran by a peasant shoe maker and his clique and there was rampant corruption at every level of society, you had to stay for hours on end to get a piece of bread unless you were in the communist party or had connections.
This corruption has grown so much it still haunts us 25 years later.
There was rampant infringement of human rights. People were conditioned to snitch their neighbors to the Securitate. You had people imprisoned and killed because they dared to mock the ruling party.
This last fact has poisoned our psyche, people that lived during those times have huge troubles talking truthfully even today when they're with their friends and family. They're still spooked someone might rat them out. That's how deep this fear of authority has poisoned our country.
There's many reasons to blame communism, but that doesn't mean we can't hope for a better future.
>>57289522
East Germany
>>57289487
you khokhols really get money per shitposting about Russia here, give up proxy
>>57288246
>>57289626
xD
Blame_The_Russians.jpg
>>57289500
>make movies about bad Russians
who should be the bad guys in our movies about the 40's other than Germans or Russians then? Aliens? Terrorists? Giant lizards from space?
>>57289648
>italy
italy was a 9001th world country?
>>57288362
>>57288498
>>57289467
pls. russia was a retarded country before the ussr
>>57289714
It literally is your fault. Not you as a person, but you as a peoples are to blame.
>>57289648
Oh, that is very interesting indeed
>>57288246
kek
>>57289755
but who was sponsor of revolution oh wait
>>57289787
Back before the Nazis and the Commies fucked your shit up.
>>57289769
Because Russia has always been a shithole. We were saved the same fate because we had autonomy but rest of Easterners were fucked by the reverse Midas touch of the Czar which turns everything Russia touches into shit.
Balkan is shit because Turks are cockroaches.
>>57289648
Is there any data for Russia?
>>57289648
i ve never been able to find the source for those figures
>>57289846
pretty much...then we became eastern after 800 years of being western
>>57289841
Literally just wanted to destabilize the region. Nobody expected you to actually succeed with it. Also if you look at the numbers only something like 10% of the population supported the Bolsheviks.
>>57289855
>1
>N/A
not even pakis and niggers lmao
>>57289728
it would not be matter, but it is a part of propaganda. and another point here - neither aliens nor giant lizards from space never visit Poland, bur Russians will. As tourists, as expats. And how they will be welcomed in Poland after PiS shit films?
>>57289855
>Ukraine
Damn, even Latin America is better than that.
>>57289626
>The subsequent economic restructuring and reconstruction of eastern Germany resulted in significant costs, especially for western Germany, which paid large >sums of money in the form of the Solidaritätszuschlag (Solidarity Surcharge) in order to rebuild the east German infrastructure. Peer Steinbrück is quoted as >saying in a 2011 interview, "Over a period of 20 years, German reunification has cost 2 trillion euros, or an average of 100 billion euros a year
>2 trillion euros, or an average of 100 billion euros a year
>2 trillion euros, or an average of 100 billion euros a year
>2 trillion euros, or an average of 100 billion euros a year
>>57289921
You were central lad. Pretty much a less developed Germany.
>>57288246
Because they have less money than the others
>>57289855
what the fuck is "average weallth per adult"?
whats the median income is a far more imporant question, who gives a shit about the mean
>>57289891
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc#Economies
scroll down
>>57288246
ASIA is the first reason
COMMUNISM is the second reason
its easier to be rich if you don't have to fight all the time
>>57289988
>Pretty much a less developed Germany.
That's mostly because Germany was like 1000 countries lumped together, they weren't one single organism.
>>57289860
>While the Finnish drivers go to buy gasoline in Russia because it is very cheap there and very expensive in Finland
>>57288246
the menality
pooreness in the heads
>>57290047
>ASIA is the first reason
Care to explain?
And it's not like Western Europe was a peace loving region desu.
>>57290351
Our wars were gentlemanly. We didn't burn villages down for fun.
We fought sure, but we left our industry intact. When you fight Russia they rape and burn everything.
>>57290422
germs aren't different
>>57290351
but it was actually
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Cuneo_%281691%29
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_G%C3%BCns
check the numbers in those battles
>>57290422
ottomans as well
>>57289648
It's more or less true although PPP would give a more realistic image. For instance, GDP-PPP was 6,000$ for Poland in 1990 and 12,700$ for the Czech Republic.
>>57290534
WW2 was a different kid of war. Even we got BTFO.
We were allowed to rebuild however. The Russians thought that they were making you pay for your crimes by making you live in the ruins of your cities.
Look at Berlin in the 60s for example.
>>57289955
>And how they will be welcomed in Poland
normally, no one would give a shit. Besides, Russian preaching anyone on propaganda is laughable, you guys are north korea-tier brainwashed. Just take a look at your RT youtube channel, 90 % of their movies about poland are like: EXTREME ANTI RUSSIAN FASCIST FAR RIGHT MARCHES THROUGH WARSAW
https://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaToday/search?query=poland
Why is Ireland so rich?
>>57290351
Ottoman Empire is a big guy
more developed parts of my country are ones that were not under it even though that was hundreds of years ago
not to mention where rest of Balkans is
russia is a big guy
north of carpatian mountains (poland) most of land is flat and that is shitty for defense
this region, and ukraine region too, was never stable
big land empires breaking apart (austro-hungary, russian empire)
add communism to stop development in 20th century
my grandfather was born in the austrian empire, lived in kingdom of Yugoslavia, then NDH, then socialist Yugoslavia and finally in croatia - no continuity
>>57290777
EU subsidies.
Also companies dodge taxes there. It's pretty much the new Switzerland.
Because communism
>mfw little shits still dont understand how terrible it is
>>57290858
because they didn't have to live under it
>>57290858
Why is this guy a meme?
>>57290858
Well communism had a socialist economical system, which is better than capitalist.
So if they hadn't been communist, then they would actually they be even poorer today.
>>57292092
>if they hadn't been communist, then they would actually they be even poorer today.
Are you sure?
>>57292319
confirmed best source
>>57290858
I've noticed that the only people who consider themselves 'communist' present day are white Americans, AKA the people who never experienced communism
>>57290816
True, Ottoman rule brings with it poverty.
They had worse feudalism than Russia, also corruption was widespread.
By the time Greece and Serbia started revolting the Turkish çitluk cronyism destroyed the whole economy west of Edirne. 3 parallel taxation systems with no investment. No education system (reserved for Muslims in mosques, which was even then a shit system long surpassed).
In 1830 there was a grand total of 2 people that spoke French. All educated Serbs got their education in Austria.
Last time Turks built some non mosque infrastructure was in the 1600s
>>57289508
because eamon de valera
>>57289508
forced bantz m80
>dude communism worked lmao
i hope all people like this go to hell
>>57290858
acctually I've talked to a few poles and yugoslav's about this and they all prefer communism. maybe its just nostagalia but idk.
>>57289179
Based Stalin he turn Eastern Europe into a giant brothel for the west
>>57289030
CEE was indeed poorer than the world powers like Germany or UK, but was on par with e.g. southern Europe countries or let's say Austria.
Yes, I think that without communism Czechoslovakia and Hungary would have the same economical chances like the only part of Austria-Hungary that remained western after WWII.
>>57289340
That's not true at all. Russia was still a backwards rural country when gommunism happened, it was not on par with the West. That's why the Japs were able to beat you in the Russo-Japanese War
>>57289340
russian fairy tales
>>57290018
I like how Yugoslavia was ok to meh in GDP but was the the best in living conditions, almost 90% of people had central heating, water and indoor plumbing
>>57293489
all countries were mostly rural back then
Russia was just backwards
Keep in mind that until like 18th century, Russia was mostly away from all the cultural and technical inventions that happened in Europe, it was a strange medievil-like country with very little contacts with the rest of the world.
And after then, the cultural life was concentrated into a few main cities like Petersburg and Moscow. In such a huge country there were only few centres. Russia was basically untouched by civilization.
>>57288246
Gommunism
>>57289340
hehe
>>57293815
Still, Russia didn't have any of the industry that France, Britain, or Germany had. That wouldn't come to pass till Stalin and his boys starved millions to make it happen.
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>>57288246
communism
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what a stupid thread
>>57294154
Germany was fearful of an industrialized Russia, it was predicted (or projected, whatever) that if Russia continued industrializing at the current pace (1906 numbers) it would catch up to Germany in production capacity by 1920.
Without starving millions of Ukrainians and Russians
>>57289714
Lol, you faggots are literally white niggers. Even the victim complex is spot on, what's up with that?
>>57294396
Might I mention that's raw industrial capacity. Still had a much larger population
>>57294396
such predictions are made even today when it comes to 3rd world countries
>India is China of 2020's
etc
>>57294515
>>57294396
Hmm, hadn't read that. It would interesting though, how industrialization would have affected Russia, assuming the communists never take power. Would a revolution replace the Tsar with a democratic republic, or would his power just decline until he's basically a figurehead like in Britain?
>>57294679
If we take it ww1 doesn't happen. Then probably like Britain, yes.
If it does but Russia manages not to lose. By pushing the Brusilov offensive, and doesn't separate peace. Then probably what Kerensky
planned.
Still if ww1 happened Russian industrialization would be delayed
>>57290777
We are undercutting corporate tax rates in our neighbors and basically doing everything right in addition to that. Fuck the haters.
>>57294619
True, but look around you, there's probably something made in China next to you.
Industrialization is a road to 1st world economics. Doesn't instantly make you first world, but it's a huge step. After that service based economy isn't that far off
>>57295040
It's not that simple. Industrialization will get you to 1st world only if it's connected with research and development and also with domestic investors at best.
It's not much of a win situation if your country transfers from agricultural economy to slave working air-polluted economy owned by the others.
>>57296437
>>57295040
You are small countries and in the EU. Just teach everyone english, be politically stable and have a low corporate tax rate and your economy will explode.
Irish banks literally died from too much money. I did not know such a thing was possible.
>>57296535
Czechia and other CEE countries are good for the west countries as they are now - poor and irrelevant. Good for being fucked with and exploited.
>>57288246
Slavs
>>57288498
You guys were objectively worse and poorer than Austria before Communism.
>>57296635
Build motorways and fiber optic broad band with the money the EU sends you and suck corporate dick.
They pay well.
>>57296724
EU actually stopped our motorway money for some pathetic reasons, I guess they mad because rapefugees
I see no reason why we are still in
>>57289648
>1990 dollars
Shit measurement
>>57289648
I honestly don't believe numbers. Capitalistic economies calculate GDP including a lot bullshit to it (I'd say service market, but clearly it's not only that). Provide more honest measurements to the thread.
IF COMMUNISM IS THE REASON WHY EASTERN EUROPE IS SO BAD THEN WHY IS FINLAND DOING OKAY RUSSIA IS RIGHT NEXT TO US GODDAMN
>>57289517
You deserve the conditions that you have in Germany. Feels good. Bye, Ahmed.
>>57296437
So what America was in 1960?
China today is as rich per capita as America was in 1970.
So China's following economic transition as predicted.
And no. Germany's economy is manufacturing based. You don't have to
>1st world only if it's connected with research and development and also with domestic investors at best.
No where is this necessarily true. You can be a first world, high tech manufacturing economy with initial capital completely funded by the government. It just is unlikely.
>>57297046
America in the 1960's was a leader of inovation and technologies owned mostly by domestic investors (inb4 jews and israel), thank you for proving my point
>>57296969
It is not PPP.
PPP would make it much more accurate.
Using nominal 1990 dollars to compare capitalist Western European economies in 1990 to destabilized collapsing communist economies in 1990, is simply deceiving.
>>57297046
Germany isnt nearly as nice as its made out to be. Iv visited both Berlin and Munich and both cities just have nice areas with the rest being quite slummy. Just grey apartments.
>>57297126
That part of my post was addressing a different point here>>57295040
And nothing in your post is necessarily needed.
>>57297170
That applies to any country
>>57297170
Well when I visited Oberbayern in 2013 it was significantly better than Texas and New York (my states). There was far less crime and people left bikes unlocked, no ghettos, etc.
It may have gone to shit now though.
What is your point? Germany is first world as fuck. It's the fourth richest per person PPP wise in the EU.
>>57288246
Geography
>>57297300
I was visiting the countryside near Salzburg on the German side of the border and that blew me away. It was so beautiful and like you said they are oblivious to crime. It just doesnt exist there.
I also got to stay in an apartment block in an average area in Munich. It was slummy. A lot of Germans live in poverty. The crime is nothing like the US but they are poor. Its the same in Berlin.
My point is that Germany is no wonderland. It has rich people and poor people.
>>57297300
Actually I am just being biased. Its normal to live in a house with a large garden in Ireland so seeing all the Germans living in apartments made them seem poor. We are third by PPP I think.
I don't think that it's about IQ or genes. It's pretty much the same all over Europe.
Gommunism, ottomans and moors were a problem, but I blame everything today on extreme levels of corruption and bad leadership.
Let's lok at the dictionary, shall we?
slav (noun)
a person who works very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.
statism
>>57296704
czechoslovakia had a higher gdp than austria before the communist coup
>>57297544
>pic related
>they don't OWN houses
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Commie cunts.
>>57296810
It must be issue from yout side. We still sign new contracts for new stetches without any prob;ems and our new "anti eu" government rules since december.
I actually feel sorry for you people. If Ireland is richer than your country, you literally must be Central African Republic-tier.
>>57288246
It's genetical, but the cultural marxists/tumblrs of 4chan will claim it is "muh combunnisum".
Sure guys. Slavs were kings n sheet
>>57298156
no, it's an EU issue, although they blame the reason on us of course, but obviously the stopping of money is their decision
>>57298008
it did not
>>57298039
I wonder what's the percentage for Russia
>>57298646
That's an interesting one. Must be very high though.
>>57298039
Some of the houses in Dublin are little better than flats with stairs in them. Lots of places could do with having walls knocked down and be changed from 3 down and 3 up to 2 down and 2 up.
Private entrances and private gardens are nice. I think renovating granny houses to modern standards will be big business soon.
>>57298821
Not necessarily, most of Russians live in rural environments.
>>57298039
>If you live in a flat, you're a commie
>Implying Japan, S. Korea and Hong Kong are super commie.
I hope this is the dumbest logic I've seen today.
>>57298920
That's true.
>>57298870
Yes, many houses in Dublin are fucking tiny. Makes me wonder how people had such big families in tiny homes. They must have all been sleeping on top of each other.
>also, Divorcetugal
>>57298976
I was joking m8. I didn't mean every country that has lots of flats was a Commie country. But the flats in Japan, SK and China are tiny m8. You're living in shoeboxes.
>Ireland's GDP growth is 7%
Ireland is heaven.
>>57298984
Yeah according to my parents it would be 4 or more kids to a single small bedroom, then the parents in another small room and maybe the oldest child got the other room which would be a box room.
Still knock down a few walls in that type of house and you have a ridiculously luxurious 2 bed.
>>57298984
Our divorce rate is also the result of house ownership.
Bit harder to end things when both people wanna live in the house they own instead of just moving out to another smaller apartment.
>>57299142
I don't like two bed houses though, m8. We need to have homes where Irish people can have more children.
>>57299188
Also because it was impossible to divorce someone until the mid 90s.
>>57299053
Your low taxes attract foreign corporations to do business in the country, pretty mich similar to how Singapore is rich. Financial business is also a key, like it has significant role in UK.
Does Ireland have relevant manufacturing industry?
>>57299280
Ireland mostly manufactures pharmaceuticals and computer-based products. Not cars or any big manufacturing like South Korea.
>>57299280
Micro chips and medical supplies, a lot of food is exported and I think we make a lot of nitrogenous products. We also do a lot of finance that is related to what goes on in London but I know little about that.
>>57299412
I think companies like the DAA and the ESB have begun to operate internationally.
Ever notice terminal 2 is really nice for restaurants and bars and shopping? They are trying to sell that abroad.
>>57299553
I never pay attention in the airport desu. Where are you from?
>>57299676
North Dublin. Terminal 2 is really nice if you wanna eat nice food and drink wine while waiting to board a plane. You would think this is standard but a lot of airports have the bare minimum.
>>57293815
>Keep in mind that until like 18th century, Russia was mostly away from all the cultural and technical inventions that happened in Europe, it was a strange medievil-like country with very little contacts with the rest of the world.
>who is Peter the Great
>>57299716
I am from North Dublin too. It's probably mad expensive in Terminal 2, no?
>>57299754
Usual Dublin prices for food and drink. So a bit more expensive than it should be but not extortionate if you were gonna buy it anyway.
>>57299831
Sounds fair enough.
>>57288246
Espana ? Italia ?
France soon ?
Germany ?
They'll become as poor as eastern europea
>>57297046
Didn't fdr policies extended the depression for seven more years?
>>57288246
The proper answer is:
1. Too many geopolitical changes in 20th century + complete destruction in ww1, civil wars and ww2. Economy don't like wars and revolutions. American constitution didn't much change from 18th century, modern USD exists since 1861. Compare to Russia had 6 different constitutions and 7 different currencies in 20th century.
2. Communism. Communism worked perfectly in USSR during 1920-1960, it's achievements really impress. But then the Zastoy happened, most of leaders became incompetent and corrupt. In Social States, communism never worked properly, because they were too small for it (Communism do not work in non-self-sufficient countries), and economic connections between them and USSR were to weak.
>>57293071
This.
>>57299412
Can we trade govermment Ireland? Maybe trudeau can give you weed instead?
lack of memes
>>57300754
I am afraid its too late for you Canada. Learn French and jew the new comers.
>>57297821
>mudslimes
>>57299247
>Lithuania
JUST
>>57288357
Would order kebab/5
>>57296978
>>57296978
>Finland
>Doing ok
http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21689751-nordic-laggard-can-forge-ahead-reforms
>>57288246
gommies
>>57289030
Yes. Much so.
>>57291952
>>57292386
Nice meme.
Millions of people in Eastern Europe are nostalgic for the old days.
>>57293238
Suharto pls leave
>>57294679
The Tsar fucked the country up pretty badly in WWI, and he was completely out of touch with the needs of the population. He resisted attempts at reducing the autocratic nature of his rule, and he had his troops kill many demonstrators during protests. I doubt he'd have gone peacefully.
>>57288246
Because Westerners are stealers and dirty mugs, we easterners have actual moral values.
