Attacks like Paris and 9/11 happened because Western terrorism against the Muslims. oh also i don't feel regret or sorry for terror attacks. 1-Westerners make fun of Muslims when bomb attacks happens in Muslim countries( i see make fun of Turks in ankara blast) 2- Organization like ISIS and Al-Kaide doesn't represent me or islam. they just extremist. who hate westerners because Westerners had been killing Muslims since 1100.
TL;DR:You bomb our countries. we bomb you back. don't cry like baby. Westerners want a war and they getting it now.
Which Muslim countries did Belgium bomb?
>>57062736
t.Abou Bakr al-Baghdadi
>>57062736
LMAO she is crying because I bombed her cunt m8
>>57062736
>westerners had been killing muslims since 1100
We should never stop.
>>57062812
Islamic State I guess, I can see why OP doesn't like that from his post.
>>57062736
easy turk, they still celebrate Egg Day
>>57062736
>Chinese
>early history
>Religion
>>57062736
Oh jamal, you silly old goof.
>>57062736
Western Christian culture conquered the entire planet.
Muzzies conquered like what, few desolate desert shitholes.
>>57062736
maximum stupidity in that infographics
Mao didn't killed becoz others were religious. Islamists kill because others are kafir
>>57062736
>You bomb our countries
This part never happened though.
>Saddam
He spent most of his time ruthlessly oppressing the Shia majority of Iraq, not that you'd give a shit about them
>Bin Laden
Grew up in one of the wealthiest families in human history yet was still somehow forced into terrorism. Turned against us after the cold war with an action we had to respond to.
>ISIS
So you don't want to associate with them or want others to call them Muslims, but you go on /int/ defending their actions?
Pakistan should be nuked however.
>>57062736
Every terrotory that is muslim now was forced to islam. Most christian countries cpnverted to christianity volunteerly. So crusades for example were judt attempts to take back what you had stollen.
>>57063803
>Every terrotory that is muslim now was forced to islam.
OKay.. I like where this is going.
>Most christian countries cpnverted to christianity volunteerly
I'm out. pic related.
>>57063881
The whole first Khalifate was forced to islam. All territories of former roman emprire plus barbarian kingdoms that were left after converted volunteerly. Add Russia, Georgia and Armenia. All volunteerely. Indians in America weren't forced to convert, they just were genocided. That's different. thing.
>>57063993
better late than never, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Christianity
>>57062736
Kek except the fact there's been two massive suicide bombings in Turkey pretty recently? Maybe you should stop killing Muslims too
> westerners have been attacking Muslims since 1100
As a response to Muslim expansionism (= attacks)
Back into the desert my six legged friend
>>57063031
All of east Africa and India.
>>57065372
>India
>Conquered by Muslim
>>57063005
>Not being an early hiatorian
Wew lad, hope you enjoy early hell
>>57062736
>Atheism
>Religion
>>57062736
are you this guy on pic?
>yfw Chinese is a religion
I always thought my eyes were round due genetic predisposition. I guess the truth is that I just didn't have enough faith in double eyelids.
>>57063993
>Indians in America weren't forced to convert, they just were genocided
Thus fucking Meme. Your right that while missionaries preached there was never any push to force them. They were just viewed as savages. There was no genocide though most died of disease before the Pilgrims even came here. There were campaigns against the Western tribes but the Comanche and Apache were attacking everyone natives, U.S. settlers, Mexicans, etc. The trail of tears was fucked up but it was relocation and not all of the even left. Where I'm from in New England the tribes are still there but mixed with whites as their smaller populations were never going to keep up with millions of European immigrants. A lot of the tribes lost land by allying with our enemies in wars we won which isn't different than what happened in Europe at the time or with the Mexicans here. TLDR They were treated shitty at times but there was never any genocide or plan to wipe them out. Hell the Navajo still have their heartland (partially because no one wanted it).
>>57065841
just one such example, trail of tears.
>>57065372
Neither of those are true. The Indians still had numerous non-Muslim kingdoms and Ethiopia is in East Africa.
>>57065430
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire
>>57065430
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_on_the_Indian_subcontinent
>>57062736
Pretty tough talk for someone living on stolen and ethnically cleansed clay.
>>57062736
I like how your little meme chart shows no jews, who probably have the highest score of all.
>>57065934
I mentioned that. That's a shit example (and I said it was fucked up) as I pointed out it was a relocation of mist but not all of one tribe no one was systematically murdered or their culture destroyed (though I think it ended them having slave plantations).
>>57066102
>>57066158
there has been muslim conquests in Spain and Portugal as well. You don't consider them muslim countries, do you?
Real talk here. No memeing.
Most of attacks happening in EU have to do with Muslims getting oppressed, getting hate, not accepted into the society.
You notice that most bombers are from the 2nd generation Muslims (10% Moroccans), sons of immigrants who can't compete with the rest of society to get themselves. It's almost there's no bomber who's born and raised outside of EU. It's kind of they are black people of EU.
This is a video of the Paris bombers months before the attack...
>https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/714460374213509120
Bombers on EU have no relation with ISIS, they are individuals who besides thinking fuck this life I'm so desperate I will kill myself, they think I will kill people I hate with me. It's somehow become the norm and all of them following it.
Europe is becoming a terrorism manufacturer.
About the west intervening in ME, and bombing countries there. Yes they do, and it's really bad but it isn't the reason those terrorists bomb themselves.
>>57066171
>jews, who probably have the highest score of all
y?
>>57066102
>>57066052
The problem is that's not all and the original post said all.
>>57066229
>durr hurr..i cannot complete with other people of my age, so i must kill them along wiht me.
>>57062736
> 2- Organization like ISIS and Al-Kaide doesn't represent me or islam
>ISIS and Al-Kaide doesn't represent me or islam
>doesn't represent me
Few sentences later
>TL;DR:You bomb our countries. we bomb you back
> we bomb you back
> we
>>57066229
Muslims aren't the only immigrants to europe. They're the only ones who organise gang rapes and terrorist attacks though.
>>57062736
All perfidious Albions fault
They never should have given support to Ibn Saud and allow the crazy conservative cult of Wahhabism to dominate Muslim thought, which in turn would have prevented the Jihadist movement from springing up.
>>57063005
>Religions AND cultures
>>57066383
stay mad cuck
>>57062736
>ISIS doesn't represent me.
>I support ISIS when they kill Europeans
>we bomb you
>>57066229
Well, if they feel so oppressed by their free education, free healthcare, free housing and having all the rights and opportunities as native Europeans, they should just fuck off.
t. an Asian immigrant
>>57066469
Rasheed
>>57066469
>t. an Asian immigrant
please tell me how you reach norway.
>t. curry.
>>57066460
Gott strafe England desu
>>57062736
No retarded Westerner would understand this. Muslims were never a problem before the cold war.
>>57066229
>Most of attacks happening in EU have to do with Muslims getting oppressed, getting hate, not accepted into the society.
Now this is the real meme post m8's. Alienation is not the root cause of the attacks, otherwise you'd see thousands of NEETS blowing themselves up as soon as there autismbux runs out.
Militant Salafism is a real, and turning these young men down a way one path to anheroville
>>57062736
The West hasn't really gone to war since WW2. We keep holding back.
But I agree, we should actually go to war. Take off the gloves, and show the world what we are still capable of.
>>57066550
>Muslims were never a problem before the cold war.
we are well past that point., m8.
>>57066509
Are you in the French or German part ?
>>57062736
Bullfucking shit.
Islam had been fucking itself up ever since muhamed has died. The biggest reason for dead muslims are other muslims fighting for superfluous shit. The west turned it's attention to the middle east because they discovered oil.
What did the muslims did with the countless billions thrown at them. Big dick buildings and platinum plated super cars.
All the while their brethren are starving and living in poverty.
Yet when some muzz finds his life unfailing instead of blaming his backwards fucking country and compatriots he blow himself up taking people who had NOTHING to do with his misfortune like the fucking pathetic cowards they are. Islam strikes the most defenseless targets from it's conception.
>Westerners had been killing Muslims since 1100.
for every crusade I can find a suiting islamic invasion, do not try to subvert history
Islam is a blight.
>>57066601
>and show the world what we are still capable of.
no problem here.. just keep it away from curryland.
i have to go home soon.
>>57066628
french
>>57066675
Are you a Tamil from from Sri Lanka ?
>>57066362
>Muslims aren't the only immigrants to europe. They're the only ones who organise gang rapes and terrorist attacks though.
1. They are the majority. And they were there since 1950s when EU needed lost youths on the world war.
2. They are the only ones facing discrimination and hate driven by media.
3. The most of the west is globalized already and have almost the same culture, and they don't looked to as much of "others" as Muslims.
>>57066469
We are discussing here.
Those guys are the n+1 generation, for them it's their home that they never got accepted in. The first generation know they hell they run from from their 3rd world countries so they aren't blowing up.
>>57066560
Elliot Rodger, and almost every killing spree on US. Except those guys decided that shouting is the norm to take others with them.
>>57066550
>Muslims were never a problem before the cold war.
Oh, you know, except the small period between 629 and, what, 1683 ?
>>57066601
>show the world what we are still capable of.
>france
>>57066675
Why have you to go m8?
>>57066779
>2. They are the only ones facing discrimination and hate driven by media.
They are also the only ones refusing to integrate into larger society.
>>57062736
>That pic
>Doesn't even have a single link to some bullshit "source" to give it some illusion of credibility
Low quality Islamic propaganda, step up senpai
>>57066862
Thats not the muslim way though. Your just a bigot for not accepting their non-acceptence
>Christians.
>30%
Citation needed, that sond excesive.
>>57066729
nope. proper curry from india.
>>57066821
I'm for a short trip. not an immigrant.
are you near border?
>>57066786
>Britain!
>>57062736
Because Christianity is the most developed and powerful religion.Islam just not so big and powerful.
I bet that if Islam was on the same level then it would be way more deaths.
>>57062736
>athiesm
>culture
>religon
kek
KEK
i don't understand how people can unironically meme about a crusade without talking about the jihad into yurop
if you look at a map of all the battles and destruction caused by both sides you will see the jihad is like 10x bigger lel
fucking ragheads are so brainwashed
>>57066779
>Those guys are the n+1 generation
As are the Vietnamese, as are Sri Lankans, coptic Christians, Serbs, Croats, etc.
Nobody except the fucking muslims are pulling this kind of shit. You can't put the blame on social issues, when every single other group of immigrants manages to adapt and integrate into society.
>>57066949
The URSS are iofficially atheists as " religion" for the state.
>>57062736
Even assuming the numbers are true, Islam would still be less civilized simply because while Christians may have been less than civilized in the 14th century, the difference is how they are now, in the modern age, when we don't have the problems with food, wars between neighbouring countries, lack of knowledge etc. that we had back then
>>57066957
RARE
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muslims are all lying scumbags. op is just another "moderate, peaceful (haha!)" muslim who is making excuses for terrorist. hes a terrorist supporter and should be treated as such.
>>57066446
>early history
>culture
>religion
>>57067005
Athiesm isn't a religon m8
>>57066229
>Most of attacks happening in EU have to do with Muslims getting oppressed, getting hate, not accepted into the society.
This is a huge simplification. Muslims aren't the only immigrants into western countries, but they are the ones who actively segregates themselves from the rest of society.
>Bombers on EU have no relation with ISIS
Not sure what you are trying to say. Most of the Paris attackers last November had been fighting in Syria.
>Europe is becoming a terrorism manufacturer.
Islam in Europe at least. But so does islam other places, but of course less surprising in war zones.
>>57066920
Way up the north bruv
Are you visting Genf ?
>>57067005
there is nothing in atheism, therefore nothing that tells you to kill. only the will of man
>>57066779
we got south americans and they're decent tier people unlike MENA subhumans
>>57067196
Are you Vietnamese?
>>57067185
>"Religion"
"I" "quoted" "the" "word" "for" "some" "reason"
Pd: Oh and I am not Stalin
>>57066229
Maybe the people dislike the Muslims because they keep suicide bombing and acting like savages in countries that are not their own. So then the get upset that people don't like them acting like savages then proceed to act like savages. Sounds about right.
>>57067204
>Are you visting Genf ?
nope. i spend easter in lugano though..
nice crowded place. felt home-like.
>>57066229
>You notice that most bombers are from the 2nd generation Muslims (10% Moroccans), sons of immigrants who can't compete with the rest of society to get themselves. It's almost there's no bomber who's born and raised outside of EU. It's kind of they are black people of EU.
Holy shit we're not talking about murica here.
There were shitloads of "love the muslim, don't be racist" messages in yurop for the past decade after 9/11.
see >>57067000
There's literally no reason for these pathetic beings to get uppity about their circumstances when all races are adapting and muslims given more preference due to muh anti-racism.
What is meritocracy?
>>57062736
Yeah I think I would like a source on that 178 gorillion
Source?
>>57066862
>They are also the only ones refusing to integrate into larger society.
They are fully integrated, except they still Muslims. The same was happening with Jews.
The west idea of integrating is living Islam, and not wearing Hijab and such. So "Europe will look as it used to". This is just discrimination and taking people's freedom.
They are agreed to integrated in anyway that don't take their freedom of practicing their religion.
>As are the Vietnamese, as are Sri Lankans, coptic Christians, Serbs, Croats, etc.
1. Those are very minors, Brussels is like 25% Muslims.
2. Those aren't forced to not wear Hijab, or there's a media that harass them for a living. Not to mention nationalist parties taking Islam/Christianity history as an advantage to gain votes.
>>57067196
>Not sure what you are trying to say. Most of the Paris attackers last November had been fighting in Syria.
[citation needed]
>Muslims aren't the only immigrants into western countries, but they are the ones who actively segregates themselves from the rest of society.
Because they aren't a lot first, and second they are being deals with the same.
I mean look at African Americans vs Africans on other places. Jews on Israel vs Jews in the rest of the world. People aren't types by their races or religion.
>>57067335
It will get only worst. like that. Hate to Muslims is a Christian tradition sadly.
>>57067309
Hey, it's what put in my history books .
>>57067309
>only the will of man
im pretty sure he felt euphoric while killing for his will instead of doing it for outdated supertitions
>>57067512
>They are fully integrated, except they still Muslims.
You aren't integrated if you refuse to buy in local shops or intermarry. The historical frictions with Jews in Europe were for the same reason, yes. Same with gypsies.
>>57066786
Well, considering France's army is usually considered as one of the top 10, if not top 5, army in the world, that we routinely successfully intervene in conflicts in Africa (Mali was entirely retaken in 9 weeks), that we are a nuclear power, and that while mandatory military service has been suspended, it could easily be reinstated and most of France's population drafted, I'd say we are still decently capable.
And with the recent attacks, the military has been growing like crazy: the government finally realised that, hey, maybe reducing the size of the army wasn't such a good idea after all.
>>57067567
lol someone saved my drawing)))
>>57067512
You've managed to make me angry.
If you're trolling, you're doing a good job.
If these are your actual opinions, you're confirming all of my prejudices.
>>57067512
>The same was happening with Jews.
You mean the Jews who constantly robbed Europe of its wealth, live in separate areas, spoke separate languages and refused to intermarry? Yeah, so well integrated.
>>57067712
i was baiting you autist
>>57066383
That's also partially Americas fault but you aren't wrong. Saud is 40% of the reason why the Middle East is so fucked, Israel is the other 40%, and the final 20% is due to A variety of factors including the U.S., France, Iran, and the USSR
>>57062736
hurr
>>57067712
The French army helped make Boko Haram worse tho
>>57067671
>You aren't integrated if you refuse to buy in local shops or intermarry
Muslim men can marry Christian/Jews women.
What stopping them from buying from local shops?
>>57067799
Jews were good business men and they still. And we see no problem with that today.
You need to live on separate areas sometimes because you need a Mosque next to you, and a butcher who sell Halal meat.
In the other hand Jews even they are a small minority managed to force EU to write on their products sings when they use pork on them, last case was fish that eat pork meat...
Muslim women in the other hand in France, banned from education if they refuse to give up their Hijab.
>>57067753
I'm telling you the reality.
>>57067512
You are again ignoring that islamnhas become counterculture in the west, and that stricter following of islam means largely living outside western society. You think you can only blame the majority for this, but that is simply not true.
>[citation needed]
Here is a start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks#Identification
I don't know why you think this is surprising. Many have traveled to Syria to fight.
>Because they aren't a lot first, and second they are being deals with the same.
There are a lot of non-muslims in the west, but they also have cultures that more easily integrate into western society for the most part.
You aren't all wrong, but you are desperately trying to take out islam of the equation and simplify it further. It can be useful to simplify, but if you are actually trying to get a good picture of the whole situation you just come off as dishonest.
>>57068036
don't bother m8 hes brainwashed
he legit thinks his fantasy world is how it be
he'll be blowing himself up in no time, so don't bother trying to reeducate him
>>57068003
>Our men can get whitey women, but our women belong to us. Also all children must be muslim
That's not intermarriage
>Organization like ISIS and Al-Kaide doesn't represent me or islam
you sound just like any SJW PC faggot. you don't accept any fallback that your fellow muslim community does.
not all Muslims are terrorists right? well all terrorists are Muslim.
>>57068003
>Muslim women in the other hand in France, banned from education if they refuse to give up their Hijab.
do you know that in Saud you cannot
1. eat during ramadan fasting
2. carry a non-muslim religious icon with you
3. decorate your home with non-islamic religious things
>>57068036
>You aren't all wrong, but you are desperately trying to take out islam of the equation and simplify it further. It can be useful to simplify, but if you are actually trying to get a good picture of the whole situation you just come off as dishonest.
I really don't care if Islam is related or not related at all. If it's not related at all. There's ISIS who's doing the worst crimes in the world in the name of Islam.
But being expressing the crusade culture of let's hate Muslims, being like everything is because Islam.
I hope we can discuss this without personal attacks, and I know attacking Muslims in your country's national sport but hold your self a bit.
>>57068253
>That's not intermarriage
That's what Islam saying accept it or not.
About children it's saying to educate them about Islam. Islam look at itself as the ultimate truth, if are going to have children that you may not able to teach them that truth you better not do it.
If you are like, nah I don't care if my kids were as my religion or not, you clearly don't actually believe your religion is true.
>tfw too irrelevant for anyone to hit
>>57068413
>do you know that in Saud you cannot
You see me cheering for Saudi now?
And Saudi have Shia terrorists too so it's facing the same problem.
Israel is twice as bad at least. They are releasing a law to ban Arabs from gov now, how being a citizenship on a country without being able to be a part of gov make sense to you?
>>57062736
1 christian life is worth 100 000 muslim lives tho
>>57068600
>They are releasing a law to ban Arabs from gov
>are going to
Let's talk about present please. Wishful thinking can lead us no where.
BTW, Saudis have been doing it for the multiple decades.
>>57068600
>Israel is twice as bad at least. They are releasing a law to ban Arabs from gov now, how being a citizenship on a country without being able to be a part of gov make sense to you?
I guess you sort of get tired of Arab's shit if you keep getting attacked by them on a constant basis.
>>57062736
you are retarded.
your comment is subjective which does not represent my view.
and let me tell you something no one wants war. if you want to fight do it on yourself. i want to live in a world with fraternity.
biggest problem in the world right now is poverty. that might be caused by western intervention in those regions, yes. however fighting wont solve anything.
second problem might be the interpretation of religious books: isis, al qaeda, and the shitlist could go on.
there are too many problems in the world right now and i don't want to waste my time on fighting with my fellow specimen.
>>57065841
Smallpox blankets, dumbass
>>57068698
>>57068698
is there a turk general on /int/ or should I just post in /deutsch/ if I want to talk to turks ?
>>57066229
You're a giant piece of shit
>>57068738
That was the British and wasn't actually implemented.
>>57068738
that was accident and no ill will
>>57068813
i have no idea. i do not follow turkey general threads. i mostly follow japan, sweden and france general threads because i want to master my linguist side.
turk threads are most of the time shit-like this one.
>>57068694
>I guess you sort of get tired of Arab's shit if you keep getting attacked by them on a constant basis.
They are attacked by Palestinians. And those guys are Israeli and they are 20%.
>>57068671
>Let's talk about present please. Wishful thinking can lead us no where.
>BTW, Saudis have been doing it for the multiple decades.
There's more than 55 laws discriminating against Arab Israelis now in the present. For decades.
>>57068833
If only the whole week was Saturday.
>>57067799
t. Guy who's never met a Jew
>>57068438
>But being expressing the crusade culture of let's hate Muslims, being like everything is because Islam.
I sit jihad culture to not be able to read what your opponents write?
>I hope we can discuss this without personal attacks
I didn't make any personal attacks.
>and I know attacking Muslims in your country's national sport but hold your self a bit.
You seem a bit hostile though.
>>57062736
AHHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAA CUNT
Okay. Yeah Christianity is SUCH A MASSIVE THREAT TO HUMANITY IN TODAY'S SOCIETY. When you have to bring up the amount of people that have been killed because of Christian terrorism, your argument is fucking dumb. That happened hundreds upon hundreds of years ago - and then they got their shit together. Why? Because for the most part Christianity is a peace loving religion. I say for the "most part." Yes there were Extremists and now they're erradicated because its the 21st century. We're not barbarians anymore. Guess who are still barbarians though? Check mate baby FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM.
Muslims are behind cause of 99% of all terrorist attacks today. And you say, "NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE EXTREME, A LOT WANT PEACE." It doesn't help when an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Muslims see death as a fitting punishment for leaving Islam. It doesn't help when Muslims who claim to be "moderate" still take away rights from women. In the Western world, equality is what we strive for. Islam doesn't represent that.
>>57068738
Never happened. Smallpox dies in minutes outside of a body.
>>57068926
You're a giant piece of shit and you're pulling shit out your unwiped shit in and out having ass. We didn't ban Muslims from anything, sadly you animals have equal rights here but pretend to be so oppressed. I wish we were half as aggressive and people oppressed you half as much as you subhumans pretend to be
>>57068926
You know that you are our eternal enemy right?
We have literally been fighting for centuries, and we will fight for centuries.
Simply because we share a forum of discussion doesn't mean we (westerners, not including you) want you here or want you in our lands.
Western politicians and the moneyed classes are blinded by avarice, in the belief that nothing matters but money and a nation is merely made up of cogs to spin the industry wheels and consume goods. So they invite shitskins like your brothers, but that is turning VERY rapidly against you all.
Ultimately, Westerners have always been better at the conduct of organized violence and it is no doubt we will render the muslim threat into nothing shortly enough.
>>57069589
>>57066469
Chang nailed it.
It has been settled, Islam must be eradicated.
</thread>
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
>religion of peace
>>57069036
I seriously wouldn't shitpost, the Arabs clearly don't have equal rights.
The entire reason that Israel doesn't have a constitution is to empower the knesset to bend laws to weaken the Arabic threat. You even changed the voting laws and regulations to prevent an Arabic majority throwing the Knesset.
And you are losing the demographic battle to the Arabs, which is not good for you either. And your rather cowardly Jewish supporters in the west, who refuse to live in Israel but seem ever so patriotic for it, lobby for pro-Israeli policy which often weakens your international position.
>>57069782
>Israel doesn't have a constitution
Holy shit senpai
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
>religion of peace
>>57069589
This is pretty much Christians feelings about Islam, since they feel like we hijacked their religion, while Islam for us is the ancestor of Christianity.
Almost any immigrant I know (a lot from family, kind of rich and politicians in Belgium) have this idea of leaving EU at some point, and a lot of them did and settled down here.
One who didn't is because he married a French women.
DESU I just hope you fucking faggots will start pooping babies so you stop needing immigrants, it looks obvious in the future you will need more, and this will need only to more problems.
Also I hope our fucking countries get their shit together and offer a good quality of life, but what to do half of MENA is on conflicts now.
>>57062812
you are aware belgium is part of NATO right?
>>57070113
Nah, it is more like the endless raids, invasions and conflict right from the rise of Islam till now.
The Islamic world can never become as wealthy as the West for the factor that they are falling apart and not becoming united. Even though there is unity in the sense of Sunni unity and a general cultural unity, the Arabic language has splintered so much that it is barely possible for some regions to communicate in what seems to be the same language.
The Arabic world, even though it does have a faithful religion, is severely limited by the legal nature of Islamic law. How can you change the law if it disrespects the Hadiths or Quranic commands? Since the Quran is god's word through the mind of a man, it is sinful to do so. So reform is nearly impossible without fundamentalism.
Also, it seems the Islamic golden age is well liked, but if the Islamic world does anything, it should attempt to rebirth that feeling it had during the Islamic golden age.
And even then, you are under endless cultural assault from the Western (a.k.a. Jewish) media. Foreigners who are exposed to Western culture often become absorbed in the negative influences from our world.
TL:DR you are pushing shit up hill desu senpai
>>57070113
You're coming off as aggressive and retarded honestly. And this is coming from a very tolerant guy.
I've written a nice text about the whole matter, but I closed the tab like a retard - now I'm too lazy to type it again - but you really need to stop living in your dream world, and understand that the issue between the Maghrebi in EU and Europeans has shared guilt.
I guess living in a very different, non secular region doesn't help to understand the modern european mindset, so I can understand that you're not aware of what the situation is. But please stop making silly claims, that will help you being taken seriously.
>>57062736
>people do bad things to us, that means it's okay to do bad things to them!
>islamic """""""""morality"""""""""
>>57070113
>Islam is older than Christianity
this is one of my fav muslim memes
>>57070476
eye for an eye
>>57070504
Did you cockroaches never learn a fucking thing?
Why do you think crimes are prosecuted through the court system and the law enforced by the police? Because the public/state will settle a matter of injustice with more equitable outcome through restitution for damages than families murdering each other.
You shitskins never did figure out why the West is always beats you by miles, well here is why.
Because we abandoned tribalism and the clan system of families. We consider ourselves a part of large communities, in which good conduct makes for good communities. Whilst shitskins form extended kin groups and tribalism which actively limits them.
>>57070376
Language isn't a problem. We all learn Arabic. Since our dialects don't affect the Modern Standard Arabic.
The problem in the Arab world now is dictatorship, every country is ruled by force, and people gave up on revolutions since foreign countries intervention.
The Arab world is doing well, if we compared it to decades ago. Don't forget most of us got their independence only half of a century ago.
>>57070444
It's the reality. Whatever the reasons are.
When your right wing call for racism and discrimination you know that they think their people hate the "others" really much.
I'm not here to spread hate or make you feel bad, but it's the reality. We never had a lot of immigrants so maybe we will be shittier to them here, and that's just a human thing of hating others, or maybe it's high on EU.
Anyway, besides that, immigrants motivations is what I said, and not supporting ISIS.
I'm not even looking to it as there's a right side and a wrong side. I'm looking at it as a problem need to be solved.
>>57070483
>Islam is older than Christianity
I meant the opposite.
>>57066229
Which is because moroccans are always the root of our problems.
Even though we have a diversity of indonesians, surinams, turks, english, etc..
It's always the moroccan youth having the highest change of becoming a criminal.
I've seen them form too many teen gangs and oppose anything that would question them or be in their way, it's like your personal bit of middle east right along your doorstep.
I've seen a few decent ones too, but other foreigners will always be better.
>>57071528
Same. Only gypsies manage to be worse than Moroccans here.
>>57071114
In case you didn't notice, France is governed by the (supposed) left wing right now, and I don't think many of the right wing voters are approving racism and discrimination.
Plus there is a difference between politics and every day life or the people's opinions - as a matter of fact a lot of people are feeling less and less represented by the politicians now.
This is why making an opinion about a country's population from the media reports is not a good idea. Same thing as when people get an opinion about "maghrebi" based on things they hear about the life in the cités (ghettos). I've lived my whole life in a quite mixed neighbourhood and everything the media reports is vastly exaggerated, and based on the worst places.
>>57065496
Of course Atheists are a religion. They have their Atheist pope, holy book and churches. You just haven't seen any of them because OP is hiding it all.
Everytime you hear "allahu ackbar!!!!" and a suicide bomber explodes, it was in fact an atheist trying to frame Islam
>>57066446
>Atheism
>religion
>culture
>>57072191
Neo-atheistism is almost an organised religion, except without the word religion. How it's different from Satanism?
>>57066229
>Terries are just robots not getting enough stacy
somebody redpill them
>>57072389
It's an atheist conspiracy Mehmet, it's not da jews it's da atheists!
>>57072389
>How it's different from Satanism?
A satanist believes in Satan (and therefore also in the existence of God).
>>57072389
>How it's different from Satanism?
No, the question is 'How is it the same?'.
>>57072560
Satanists believe in materialistic approach. Basically try everything in the world. Fulfill your desires. Atheists have same approach
>>57072389
>Neo-atheistism is almost an organised religion
No it's not, you idiot.
So tell me, why are Turks so good at bait ? Is it because everyone hate them anyway whatever they say ? Is it because they are actually convinced of their baits ?
>>57072485
>A satanist believes in Satan (and therefore also in the existence of God).
No, in Satan only as a symbol. Not in its existence. It's just another form of atheism with some rules.
>>57072560
>How it's different from Satanism?
Both don't believe on existence of god, but have an ideology coming with that.
>>57062736
>Westerners want a war
If we wanted a war, you'd be already dead
>>57068438
Muslims here life better than muslims in their home countries.
My aunt married an iranian doctor, there is no problem.
The problem is that most muslim immigrants are uneducated and don't accept our culture.
If I would live in Morocco I would behave according to my hosts norms.
For example, german turks are the worst integrated group after 50 years compared to sicialians and greeks who also came bakc then.
Poles are perfectly integrated for example.
Keeping your women at home and only spekaing turkish and having THEM raise your children to not be able to speak proper german after neraly three genertaions makes a whole generation stupid.
Fact is:
WE don#t opress minorities and kill them like you do.
Only muslims do causet hat much harm in comparison world wide even though others suffered worse during colonialism
Also muslim countries like saudi arabia and iran are opressive as fuck.
>>57072824
>atheism
>ideology
Nice meme.
>>57072824
You are wierd, I read a lot about Islam and even studied three semester of islamic studies to understand a bit more whats going on and get some credit points.
I have the feeling you don't know much about western ideas from their point of view and instead only know them through your school education.
How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
If you wnat I will take some time to talk a bit.
>>57073423
Ps:
The Iranian is ok since he is educated and doesn't force his believes on others.
>>57072824
You are probably thinking about LaVeyan satanism, but satanism can also (obviously) mean to worship satan of some sort.
>Both don't believe on existence of god, but have an ideology coming with that.
...And that means that with this weak comparison I can say that 'islam is basically the same as satanism' too.
When that is said. Atheism isn't an ideology in itself, neither is the new atheism movement or whatever you are alluding to. The 'atheism+' movement is probably more like that.
>>57073737
PPS:
Which is the core of the whole issue.
Muslims don't understand secular societies as it seems.
It is ok to be religious as long as it does not grow to be a problem for others.
Why do people not leave europe instead of bombing it?
if they just wnatedt o be muslims, they could do that elsewhere.
But noo, they want our sweet live too while hating it in the same breath.
They can't cope with that.
>>57073883
He is probably talking about some funky islamic idea of "Satanism".
The problem is, international academia is culturally western as fuck, so that might be another tool of filthy western opression.
Boko haram will hopefully solve that problem for him.
>>57073689
I said neo-atheism.
>>57073700
I'm 25
What you don't agree about? about the motivations of bombers?
>>57073423
Dude, I don't disagree with you.
I'm saying too that Muslims have harder time integrating into societies. Mainly because Islam.
But my point is Muslims don't have a harmful ideology or that their motivations is to help ISIS...
>>57074210
<- The Guy who asked about your age.
You just express yourself differently than i would expect, but we can work that out. Just needs a bit more thinking.
Ok, for example lets talk about islam and why we want you guys to integrate and why not doing its harmfull to us.
The problem with modern Islam is that you got super strict, probably because you were kicked around a lot by the west and that hurt the feeling of being the rightfull rulers of..wlel the world.
The caliphates had no problem to conquer and bring stuff under islamic rule as long as you were sucessfull, so there wasnt much talk about it being sort of unfair to stretch your basically theocracy so far out.
I say this because it stands to reason that most muslims think that the rules of the quran are divine, right?
Which leads to the next step:
To me, Islam is a religion of obedience. Your interpretation of god is appeased by following the spelled out rules of the quran, since it was delievered like this unto Muhammad (in arabic, which is another pot with arabic culture surplanting others so strongly).
My problem is, that it feels like being more strict...like praying 5 times instead of 3 since it wasn't THAT clear how many times you should do it.
So you pray 2 times extra, to be sure.
This obedienca makes a person a good muslim, which means being a good person, which means he gets respect and should be emulated.
So if you now apply the same logic to all that stuff about unbelievers and pair it with revanchistic feelings against the west..you get ISIS and consorts.
Did I make sense or did I make big mistakes?
>>57074210
I don't know much about this so called neo-atheism, but isn't it just an american phenomena?
And what's its ideology? I don't think relying on science is an ideology. Criticising religions isn't an ideology either.
It seems that you just have a hard time understanding and accepting secularism.
>>57074624
Second Part:
From that stand point it is hard to understand how christian/western thinking works.
We started out differently, not as a conquering army but a persecuted underground cult.
They also had their violent ones at that time, but most martyrs we have died because they were killed for their religion.
Because they stayed true to it or because they wanted to preach the gospel and be heard.
That is a big difference to being aa martyr because you fall in battle.
To me christianity is a religion of enduring suffering. it is better to suffer then to do a wrong, which is now rather integrated in post ww2 germany. Would muslim countries be as kind as we are to trouble making minorities? Saudi Arabia isn't even accepting any refugees and the turks try to kill of the kurds since more than 50 years.
To come back to the pray 5 times example:
We don't have the death penalty in germany because we don't believe we can be 100% sure it wasn't a mistake and killing is wrong.
How can you be a moral authority if you say killing is wrong (if any one killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind) and than have exceptions like djihad and whatnot?
The whole thing is easier for us since christianity became only integrated later into the roman state, so religion preaches the unsullied ideal (or should be) and the state does what is best for it and its citizens.
i won't start on the reformation just yet, that comes later.
>>57074837
The thing is, in the US you have to "come out" as an atheist in a lot of areas.
You are only free to choose oyur religion as long as it fits their ideas of rleigion. Which is mostly christian.
>>57062736
I'm gonna bit your bait.
Then, how do you explain what muslims do in places like Thailand, Myanmar, Nigeria, Central Africa, Philippines....? They are not western to begin with, so there is no relation whatsoever between west's actions and the fruits of muslims' chimp out in there.
Or what muslims did (and sometimes still do) in places like India.
>Westerners had been killing Muslims since 1100
and you have been trying to kill and/or killing westerners and other non-muslims since 610 a.d. Muslims are such hypocritical assholes.
That's why a smile is drawn on my face every time the chinese give those filthy uighurs the treatment they deserve after a chimpout
Why are Muslims so disgusting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OlkUxJNDyQ
>>57075077
>The thing is, in the US you have to "come out" as an atheist in a lot of areas.
What?
>>57075294
I am not shitting you, its a ig thing.
Thats why fat neckbeards think they are so cool and liberated when they say they are "Atheists".
People get angry at that stuff there, we are talking about the ocuntry that had a huge debatte about accepting evolution to be taught in schools (repeatedly) and recently the whole Intelligent Design thing.
>>57075077
Yes that was my point, US is backwards in terms of religion. I mean, their president has to swear on the bible when he comes to power, such a state cannot really be called secular.
>>57075294
It's a strange thing some places
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFcg5nKHnSY
>>57072888
Czech republic is not part of the western world.
>>57075486
We aren't either since we sponsor our churches.
Wierdly enough your churches are better of since people atcually have to visit churches instead of paying taxes to keep it running.
Here, people are just meh and pay their church taxes (which you cna opt out of) while goingt to church once or twice a year.
if you are not in the south that is.
>>57075610
They're more western than the US ideologically, imo.
>>57075458
I always imagine that stuff to be a really loud but small minority, sort of like a loud Amish people.
>>57075610
They are semi, historically they are central european.
But you are somewhat right, the US could have bombed the shit out of everyone in the day and they didnt.
Even the Israelis dont go full on genocide mode, which would definetly happen to them though if they gave people a chance.
>>57075735
Its more a smelly internet man-babby thing.
M'lady and fedora tipping included.
Some people just do it to be "contra".
>>57074624
>The problem with modern Islam is that you got super strict
Yes, it is.
>The caliphates had no problem to conquer and bring stuff under islamic rule as long as you were sucessfull, so there wasnt much talk about it being sort of unfair to stretch your basically theocracy so far out.
It's known in the Islamic world that conquering was against Islam.
The Khilafa acknowledged by Muslims was 30 years. The rest is acknowledged by Saudi and Gulf in general since it makes monarchy look legit. But it wasn't valid Khalifa in the eyes of most scholars. It was monarchy. With ruling from father to son.
>praying 5 times instead of 3 since it wasn't THAT clear how many times you should do it.
There's countless Hadiths saying 5.
>Did I make sense or did I make big mistakes?
You are assuming that Islam is holding a history, while it's not. The average Muslim in the West now have no clue was happened centuries ago.
You keep assuming that Muslims, look at the past and take it as an example. While they don't.
Most of Muslims today are thinking like that "What to do to not make Allah mad at me".
When you make it hard to follow those guidance, like on Hijab, the way of dressing... a Muslim feel really really oppressed.
>>57075038
>We don't have the death penalty in germany because we don't believe we can be 100% sure it wasn't a mistake and killing is wrong.
Something you should know about Islam, any penalty is done only after being 100% sure. If only 99% sure there's no penalty.
>Saudi Arabia isn't even accepting any refugees and the turks try to kill of the kurds since more than 50 years.
You were so picky here. I should remind you that today the most Christian countries in the world are US and Russia. EU only holding a heritage of Christianity than actually Christian. And they aren't doing good in the world as you see.
And Saudi took 2.5 million Syrian since the war started, not as refugees since they didn't signed for UN refugees agreement.
>>57066957
By this post we are completely ignoring the %90 of Christian crusades , right ?
Why are Muslims so disgusting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OlkUxJNDyQ
>>57075691
Nope, USA literally invented the concept of the western world. They are the most "western" country there is.
>>57075750
semi, yeah, cause they border the westerners.
>>57075658
Well, it's still more reasonable than binding the religion to the state in terms of ideology.
Actually there has been a proposal in France recently to suspend temporarily the 1905 law (separation of the church and state) to subsidise the creation of new mosques. Right now they're mostly built with funding from Qatar and other arab states, which can be problematic because they tend to bring more fundamentalist imams.
Plus the country has historically been linked with Christianity, so the law is unfair to other religions in this regard, because christians already have pre-existing churches.
I don't think it's going to happen, but the idea was pretty reasonable.
>>57075842
On Hadiths, thats the thing.
I dislike the idea of Hadiths, we are free to choose how we worship since organised religion has allways been instrumentalised, since people will listen to the people with the funny hats.
The IS is doing the same.
Also we are doing good, what evil is germany doing?
We could stop taking in people and stop giving developmentary aid.
On the death penalty: Killing is still a sin and you CAN'T be 100% sure.
Thats the thing about living in this world.
I am happy to be corrected about refugees though.
About immigrnats:
They don't have to come here, it is OUR land.
They should either integrate themselves or leave us alone.
Also, how is caliphate a bad thing if you have the rightly guided caliphes and Muhammad himself conquer areas?
Would you explain that to me?
>>57062736
It's still funny the EU is pretending to be friendly with Turkey when it's filled with terrorists.
>>57075934
He is talking about the simple fact that every fight against unbelievers, like the regular raiding and finally conquering of byzantium by your ancestors were also marked as "djihad".
Do gods work and make money, crusader logic.
>>57076060
I shudder at this, it might be "fair" but I feel not secure with this.
>>57076044
I don't know mate, maybe I've got a wrong idea of what "western" means, but the wikipedia article about it seems to be more centred on Europe.
>Concepts of what is the West arose out of legacies of the Western Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire. Later, ideas of the west were formed by the concepts of Latin Christendom and the Holy Roman Empire. What we think of as Western thought today originates primarily from Greco-Roman and Germanic influences, and includes the ideals of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, as well as Christian culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture
Again, it's Wikipedia, so I don't really know...
>>57062736
return constantinople, smyrna, ephesos, attalia, trapezus, nicea, nicomedia, ancyra, thedosipolis, amida, tyana, ani, kyzikos, antioch and then we can speak about "unjustified agression".
>>57062736
>You bomb our countries. we bomb you back.
Your people invaded Europe countless times, you're lucky Europe doesn't exterminate you like the cockroaches you are.
>>57076275
yeah, that's bullshit.
"western world" is cold war and post-cold war era phenomenon, it basically means USA and its allies.
That's how it is used outside of western world anyway.
Nobody includes Czech in it.
>>57076285
He has a good point, after all how many christians or jews live in todays muslim world?
They get persecuted.
>>57062736
>Implying Atheism is a religion.
>Implying Muslims does less killing than christianity and buddhism.
>"Early History" with a man dressed like a cavemen, and implying it's a religion.
>Implying Chinese are a religion.
>Not Jews on the pic.
BULLSHIT
also muslims are hateful savages who want to destroy us and doesn't want to lives in minority.
>>57075934
>Turk
>talking about muh crusade
>destroyed byzantine
toppesttopkek
>>57076160
Even if you count them as jihads ( which are obviously not ) , the number is still smaller than the number of crusades
>>57076285
right of conquest of the empires that lived before , has nothing to do with religion.
Also the areas with christian majority were given out after the world war 1 , there's nothing that christians rightfully own in Islamic world
>>57066229
>Most of attacks happening in EU have to do with Muslims getting oppressed, getting hate, not accepted into the society.
>I didn't do anything wrong, it's because the Government made me blow myself up and kill women and children!
>>57076428
It's not a jihad you dumb fuck , dare to read the posts before you lay your shit all over
>>57076526
You know that there were only 8 official crusades against you guys?
Also, how do you denyt he existence of djihad and accept crusades?
I believe we are to blame, we should alo deny what we did. Then we would be on the same page.
>>57076588
What is a djihad then?
Isn't fighting for the ummah against unbelievers djihad?
The big djihad is internal, but the small one with weapons is external.
>>57066779
>2. They are the only ones facing discrimination and hate driven by media.
hahahaha what?
You know the German and Swedish media ACTIVELY COVERED UP GANG ATTACKS ON WOMEN by Muslim immigrants, right?
Fuck off with your imaginary persecution complex, you cunt. Nobody forced them to come here, nobody forced them to stay here, nobody forced them to kill people for their religion, nobody is forcing them to segregate themselves and refuse to work or go to university.
>>57076588
So if it's not a jihad and simply a conquest, can't we also say the same thing for all the crusades as reconquering fallen territory, like the iberian reconquista?
>>57076658
>official crusades
>djihad
Meme overload
>>57076712
A jihad must be called by the Caliph to become a Jihad officially. It's not a Jihad when a random muslim country declares war upon a country that practises another religion
>>57076111
>since people will listen to the people with the funny hats.
1. Actually a Fatwa is written as a scientific paper with proof from Quran and Hadiths. The good about the new generation is that they read the Fatwa not just listen to some guy paid by Saudi on a Saudi TV.
2. Islam is like an open source distributed system, they see a issue rising, you see countless of Fatwas, and scholars start comparing them with each other. So not like one authority can control it.
>rightly guided caliphes and Muhammad himself conquer areas
He fought back, for his people existence. That they had to run from Mecca for years.
For Jihad it's saying clearly on Quran, you fight back if they are fighting you and getting you out of your houses, which is what happened back then.
>Also we are doing good, what evil is germany doing?
Germany by Syrians today is compared to Ansars. Mohammed gave an advice to a group his followers that were oppressed to go to Ansars. And said their King do not unjust anyone. And their King were Christian.
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Here's something, most bombs in EU aren't by religious Muslims, but by the less religious Muslims.
One was going regularly to a gay bar, the woman was going to bars, drinking, posting almost nudes on social media, and having sex like there's no tomorrow. The other two brothers who were also going to bar regularly on daily basis.
How is this not integrating? by your definition they are the most integrated... but they are the ones who exploded...
Also how all of them are young? why not religious scholars, or let's say normal people who spent quite of time learning about their religion...
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>They don't have to come here, it is OUR land.
I don't see anything wrong with that. I actually advice for it.
We actually see a good environment in EU to create bombers, so if nothing will change it's better to attract immigrant from other areas...
>>57076526
Constantinople was half-christian, as little as 100 years ago. You genocided all the christians during world war1. All the coasts and all of Armenia would have been outside of Turkey if you hadnt. Always an excuse for your rapes, killings and genocide but always whining when christians hit back.
FUck you cockroach.
>>57076948
We cannot because those Crusades were formed by a greater authority ( that was above the countries or people that fought the crusade ) to erase the spesific religion from the region.
>>57077177
When Serbia joins the EU, will your people help us remove kebab?
>>57062736
Does that image have any source? It looks like it was taken straight from Facebook.
>>57077206
Every war Turkshits fought was officially a jihad. All of them.
Last one:
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ottoman-empire-declares-a-holy-war
>On November 14, 1914, in Constantinople, capital of the Ottoman Empire, the religious leader Sheikh-ul-Islam declares an Islamic holy war on behalf of the Ottoman government, urging his Muslim followers to take up arms against Britain, France, Russia, Serbia and Montenegro in World War I.
>>57076533
I think you are a kid. I'm discussing here the real issues.
If you want a proof that people can actually claim that their religion made them do shitty things there ISIS and Boko Haram.
>>57076784
>My people are good and your people are bad
I know Germany, and Swedish want to make it work but other countries not really. And this is actually may be the destruction of EU and I really don't wanna see it fall that way.
>>57068600
I see your propaganda tv works fucking wonders
>>57077026
if yo usay it has to be declared, why are you then doubting my count of official crusades against you?
>>57077153
I just dont understand why ONLY muslims as immigrnats do that here.
I dislike being pushed out of my home because muslims here breed like rabbits. We need to have more children, only solution.
>>57077177
>forcing the le genocide meme
Istanbul , İzmir and most of other Greek occupied areas were majority muslim.
>>57062736
Did they kill on behalf of their religion/culture?
It's just a lack of education. The Muslims in America are generally wealthy and well educated. By comparison our niggers are just whatever spear chuckers got caught in the African bush. And multiple generations later they still have problems. By contrast Muslim here are doctors, business owners, IT professionals. And they can exist without being assblasted because they are educated and can afford a house to sleep in.
>>57077371
>I know Germany, and Swedish want to make it work but other countries not really.
Sweden is trying the hardest, and you know how many of their non-EU migrants work? Barely half, compared to almost 80% of Swedes/EU immigrants. You know what country had the highest percentage of fighters go to join ISIS? You guessed it! Sweden
Islam is not compatible with the West so long as Muslims believe their religion and refuse to adopt the culture of the country they have come to.
Multiculturalism is a lie and a failed idea, it does not work.
If you want to come to Ireland, you leave your old life behind you, and you speak English (preferably Irish too), you hang out with people at a pub and watch Hurling or Gaelic football. You watch RTE and drink cups of tea.
If you want to live here, you should -become- Irish, none of this nonsensical bollocks of "I'm Irish when it suits me but when it doesn't, I'm not".
>>57077523
>Not before you conquered them.
>>57077348
>he calls every turkish battle as jihads
>shows one that was forced by the German Empire to make the muslims in Britain and French colonies rebel
>>57077444
Because it does not list all of them , most of those Crusades I mention are more than 8 and are called by the Pope in behalf of the ruler of the christian country
>>57077689
If that counts than the serb is also right.
>>57077348
>>57077326
>http://docslide.us/documents/body-count-a-quantitative-review-of-political-violence-across-world-civilizations.html
>>57077407
Your past and present is a propaganda to just stfu shmolo
>>57077444
>We need to have more children, only solution.
I can't agree on that more. And I said it countless times.
>>57077636
Your post is what making it not working in a nutshell.
>>57077678
And earth was inhabithed by the dinosaurs before humans evolved , what's your point?
The region has became a core of Islam after being inhabited by the Muslims over 600 years
>>57077736
Do check out this then >>57077689
That "jihad" was only a forced document that didn't even work
>>57077742
>Your post is what making it not working in a nutshell.
No, what is not working is their refusal to integrate into our way of life.
The Filipinos don't have a problem adapting.
The Polish don't have a problem adapting.
The Indians don't have a problem adapting.
The Chinese don't have a problem adapting.
The only group that has a problem adapting is the fucking Muslims.
That's not our fault for not being inclusive, it's theirs for living in self-segregated ghettoes and refusing to integrate.
Stop blaming everyone else for your problems, cut this imaginary persecution complex and stop blowing up fucking children just because you don't like your own self-imposed seclusion, you fucking sand nigger.
>>57077742
off yourself ahmed
and preferably not in a busy crowd with explosives.
>>57077770
After violent conquest, so stop crying over the crusades.
Either violence is in general bad or it isnt.
>>57077864
>>57077742
You should try to explain why others dont cause the same amount of problems, I would really welcome that.
Convince me and maybe the irishman.
>>57077866
Can you fucking cleanse the Middle East already, Schlomo? We'll forget about you trying to steal all the money in the world if you just rid us of these people.
turks DID NUFFIN WRONG guise. its all an epic maymay
Quote about 1453
>The kindness that Mehmed had shown to the Emperor's surviving ministers was of short duration.... Five days after the fall of the city [3 June] he gave a banquet. In the course of it, when he was well flushed with wine, someone whispered to him that Notaras's fourteen-year-old son was a boy of exceptional beauty. The Sultan at once sent a eunuch to the house of the [Megas Doux] to demand that the boy be sent to him for his pleasure. Notaras, whose elder sons had been killed fighting, refused to sacrifice the boy to such a fate. Police were then sent to bring Notaras with his son and his young son-in-law, the son of the Grand Domestic Andronikos Palaiologos Kantakouzenos, into the Sultan's presence. When Notaras still defied the Sultan, orders were given for him and the two boys to be decapitated on the spot. Notaras merely asked that they should be slain before him, lest the sight of his death should make them waver. When they had both perished he bared his neck to the executioner. The following day nine other Greek notables were arrested and sent to the scaffold.[7]
quote from 1918:
>In an article first published in The Red Cross Magazine (March, 1918), Henry Morgenthau (1856-1946), United States ambassador to Turkey, asked:
"Will the outrageous terrorising, the cruel torturing, the driving of women into the harems, the debauchery of innocent girls, the sale of many of them at eighty cents each, the murdering of hundreds of thousands and the deportation to, and starvation in, the deserts of other hundreds of thousands, the destruction of hundreds of villages and cities, will the wilful execution of this whole devilish scheme to annihilate the Armenian, Greek and Syrian Christians of Turkey -- will all this go unpunished?"
>>57077884
What makes you think those are violent conquests?
How violent could a nomadic horse tribe be to a settled folk who outnumber the nomads by at least 10 ?
>>57078074
So you try to deny that you conquered Byzantium?
Also, Mongols.
I rest my case.
>>57078074
>What makes you think those are violent conquests?
<<cognitive dissonance intensifies>>
>>57077999
Aren't you the one taking pride in killing the countless number of slavic muslims?
What makes you so peaceful now , you hypocrite bastard ?
>>57077999
Von Moltke also wrote about the latter part.
>>57078207
He is mostly angry, probably, you don't own up to your history.
Like Erdogan, you seem to not be able to tolerate different opinions.
>>57078142
I did not deny the conquest of Byzantium , I just stated the truth that it's not a Jihad.
Also don't underestimate the mongols , their population were nothing close to small compared to their foes after Timujin united all of Turkic and Mongoloid tribes under his banner
>>57078278
I'm completely fine with what he or you thinks , it's the false announcements and blamings that make me pissed off
>>57077770
yeah, but Greeks and Armenians lived in Asia Minor 100 years ago, its not fucking dinosaur time. And you made sure to erase most of their presence.
>http://www.lonelyplanet.com/turkey/iznik/sights/historic/church-koimesis
>Only some foundations remain, but the church was once famous as the burial place of the Byzantine emperor Theodore I (Lascaris). Built around 800 and reconstructed after a mid-11th century earthquake, it's İznik's only church that was never converted into a mosque; unsurprisingly, it was dynamited by victorious Turks after the Independence War.
Read more: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/turkey/iznik/sights/historic/church-koimesis#ixzz44JlnwgrO
>mosaic from the destroyed church
>>57078301
The military force was small when they arrived here, in comparison to our populace.
>>57078379
>>57078387
Then what he is posting should not piss you off, right?
>>57078387
The greeks went back to Greece in the population exchange , they keep denying that big event while crying over " muh genocided kinsman ".
Armenians are a whole other topic , they got what was coming to them.
Also what happened after the Turkish revolutionary war is disputed since there is not a non biased source , one side claims a thing while other says it's otherwise
>>57078207
Try to think about why Germany and Japan are considered as violating international law for what they did in WWII when many things they did are actually similar to what others have done before. Time is evolving.
>>57077864
>>57077956
>>57077742
>all this talk about muslim integration
>the most respected man in Asia and founder of a country boasting extraordinary racial and religion harmony dropped this line
Read some LKY books and his insights on muslim extremism.
He's a genius who's never afraid of saying politically incorrect things
>>57078504
They wanted indipendence and you killed them for it, rather radically.
I believe genocide is the right word and for turkey it worked out.
>>57078074
Wow. Is this what they teach you in Turkey? That a few horsemen rode straight in from the steppes and peacefully conquered Anatolia?
>>57078387
Turks really ruined anatolia.
>>57078391
The millitary population of a nomadic tribe equals to it's total population since the lifestyle promotes it to , which were nothing like small .
>>57078465
?
>>57078379
>>57078207
Fuck off. Own your own history. You were taught an incredibly distorted political history where Turks or Muslims were perpetually victimized.
And no I am not justifying any killings. But I think 8000 dead in Srebrenica is a bit different from millions of dead Armenians or Greeks.
Last pogrom of Greeks in Istanbul was in 1955. There are no Greeks left in the city of Contstantine, what do you think about that? Thats ok right? Right of conquest or some such bullshit?
>>57078525
Please link me one of your favourite works of him.
Would like to read more about him.
>>57078551
It's a lot more complicated than that , the story goes back to the day that armenians bombed a bank in Istanbul.
>>57078565
Tell me the exact truth then mister walking library
>>57078602
It's not the city of Constantine anymore , it's completely normal for it to have no greeks in it
>>57077742
>click on the link
>the royal aal al-bayt institute for islamic thought
>al-bait
Is this a meme?
>>57078739
Then what the crusaders and colonialists did was also ok.
>>57078525
Muslims are sure subhumans
Europeans are less subhuman
End yourself sandnigger
>>57077864
>>57077956
1. EU is the destination of criminals :EU companies sell contact on Maghreb countries for like $6K - $10K. People who are interested on those contracts normally thug, and there's a mentality that it's hard to go to EU with those contracts since you need to be either you work a hard working job or you need to work on drug to get real money. So most people who go there don't even have a high school diploma ("if I get my high school diploma I continue study, if don't I go to EU" is common here).
2. Those guys are with criminal backgrounds and not much education. They meet with the n+1 generation that are sons of poor people and they get affected by them.
3. The being the oppressed group in the country make it more easy to be more thug and criminal for the n+1 generation.
It's really hard to see in the point of view of the other. But it's like that.
I mean look at black people in US, you can argue the same like all races integrated expect them, even that America is actually integrated way more people.
The solution is to stop looking at Muslims as others and accept them. I know most of what bother EU is looks and streets with women having Hijab, and Mosque and that was never and EU thing... but remember those guys are European now, if problems happened you are both on them, they are the one of the guys you may rely on someday to carry a weapon and defend the country with you.
>>57078751
Read the paper, it has all sources cited.
>My people are the only ones allowed to make reports
>>57078779
Greeks did move out on their will
>>57078826
I agree with 1 and 2.
But how do we opress muslims in europe?
Or rtaher, how do we opress muslims more than muslim countries opress other religion and specific ethnicies.
>>57078832
Then, but not when population shifted during the conquering.
Also thats similar to germans moving voluntarily from eastern european areas where they lived.
>>57066229
>Most of attacks happening in EU have to do with Muslims getting oppressed, getting hate, not accepted into the society.
Because they don't belong there.
I don't belong in China either, so I'm not moving there and complaining about the treatment.
