Argentina gets a territorial gain of 1.700.000 square kilometers after an UN comitee agrees on extending Argentina's maritime territory, which includes the seas surrounding the disputed islands on the South Atlantic.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1883478-aval-de-la-onu-a-un-planteo-argentino-sobre-malvinas
http://www.infobae.com/2016/03/27/1799924-argentina-suma-territorio-la-onu-aprobo-extender-la-plataforma-maritima
http://www.clarin.com/politica/ONU-Argentina-agranda-plataforma-maritima_0_1547245617.html
>>56960568
UN commissions say lots of things and often get ignored. For example
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12141755/Julian-Assange-should-receive-compensation-UN-says.html
The dark blue area in the pic isn't disputed as far as I'm aware. At least, Britain can't claim it because it's beyond 200 nm
>>56960568
The UN also says that palestine is an official country.
>>56960568
it's Easter.
Don't you have a shred of dignity and self respect?
Have you forgotten the lessons of humility of Jethus Cwithe?
I'm ready to fight for my Anglo brothers if needed
>>56960568
>implying anyone gives a shit what Argentina says
>>56960568
UN is a meme, but I support Argentina. Don't give the britshits more than they deserve.
>>56960568
Get fucked bro,
I'm keen to bayonet some argies. Rightful British Clay!
>>56961323
Germany has always supported us, just as we supported Germany.
Thank you based German guy.
>>56960568
>The UN trying to do anything against a Security Council member
topkek
Argentina could not afford a war in their current state. It'd probably be good for them though, make their leftist government go to shit and collapse their economy to rubble so they can start over.
>>56961371
>Argentina
>2016
>Leftist government
If only you informed yourself before talking bullshit.
>>56961104
>claims measured in nanometers
BRITcucks will do anything to get even a tiny slice of their former empire clay glory back!
>>56960568
basatos hijos
>>56960568
Headquarters, Land Forces
Falkland Islands
INSTRUMENT OF SURRENDER
I, the undersigned, Commander of all the Argentine land, sea and air forces in the Falkland Islands surrender to Major General J.J. MOORE CB OBE MC* as representative of Her Britannic Majesty's Government.
Under the terms of this surrender all Argentine personnel in the Falkland Islands are to muster at assembly points which will be nominated by General Moore and hand over their arms, ammunition, and all other weapons and warlike equipment as directed by General Moore or appropriate British officers acting on his behalf.
Following the surrender all personnel of the Argentinian Forces will be treated with honour in accordance with the conditions set out in the Geneva Convention of 1949. They will obey any directions concerning movement and in connection with accommodation.
This surrender is to be effective from 2359 hours ZULU on 14 June (2059 hours local) and includes those Argentine Forces presently deployed in and around Port Stanley, those others on East Falkland, West Falkland and all outlying islands.
Commander Argentine Forces <signed>
J. J. MOORE Major General <signed>
Witness - <signed>
2359 hours 14 June 1982
>>56961672
>>56961527
Finnish meme banter used to MEAN something. What is this? Not even Poland tier. Closer to, dare I say it, KC tier
>>56961672
>>56961704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4
>>56961704
THAT'S NOT THE TASKFORCE
WE HAD AIRCRAFT CARRIERS FFS
STOP POSTING THIS
>>56961704
>THE ENTIRE ARGENTINE NAVY VS A BRITISH TASKFORCE
THEY STILL LOST THEIR FLAGSHIP
LOVING EVERY LAUGH
>The UN
wew
>>56961753
So that we can see all the transport vessels sank by Exocet missiles? Like the Atlantic Conveyor?
> WE HAD AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
So did we.
>>56960568
>using the UN
You won't ever be first world until you acknowledge their irrelevance and ignore their protocols
>>56961773
That wasn't our flagship. Our flagship was the ARA 25 de Mayo, an aircraft carrier. The Belgrano was an obsolete cruiser ship from WWII.
>>56961802
>>56961704
>>56961740
>>56961797
11,000 POWS
ELEVEN
THOUSAND
POWs
>AHAHAHAHAHAHA
AS MALDIVAS SAO BRASILEIRAS
>>56961740
aerospatiale
:^)
>>56961981
Dassault
:^)
I think Argentina starting the Falklands war must have been the dumbest geopolitical move of the latter half of the 20th century.
>>56962081
Stupid monkeys.
![T4hlSYu[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TxQBQLZ.jpg "T4hlSYu[1].jpg")
>>56961802
>So did we.
I know!
>So that we can see all the transport vessels sank by Exocet missiles? Like the Atlantic Conveyor?
YES. I am not ashamed. The earlier picture is false, I'd rather see the truth posted.
didn't UK forbid french to sell argentina newer missiles
>>56962596
I think they're only listing the military vessels involved in combat engagements.
>>56962884
Yes, but they still helped us in secret. So did Israel and Libya.
>>56960568
How the UN can decided that?
>>56962937
Yep, the Frogs were playing both sides and they call us perfidious
>>56963001
This claim has been discussed for more than a decade since 1996.
>>56961704
You know why those ships weren't damaged or sunk? After the Belgrano sank, the whole argie navy ran back to port!
You can't make that shit up!
The amount of salt Argies generate over the Falklands is enough to fill all the bloody shakers in the world
Loving ever giggle
>>56962596
To call or treat the Atlantic Conveyor as a carrier is wrong, she was only being used to hall the aircraft down to be moved onto one or both carriers.
>>56961189
Nee.
i support argentina
>>56964510
Then you don't support democracy.
>>56960568
Just dream, maybe one day it will come true.
>>56963022
The Frenchies gave you codes to deactivate the Exocets.
>>56960568
WOT
>>56964721
rare
a
r
e
Soon
>>56962358
Shut up you monkey from the desert, your grandparents were british criminals right?
>UN
>mattering
lel
>>56960568
>Thatcher / UK murders a hundred Argentinian sailors
>nobody still gives a shit
As long as the US stays hawkish, the old empires will live on.
>>56971329
>invade a sovereign nation
>cry when your soldiers die
:^)
>>56968306
>The Frenchies gave you codes to deactivate the Exocets.
So why were they blowing up our ships?
the best bit for us britlads is that we literally couldn't give a shit about the falklands, they barely contribute anything
we literally hold onto them because we can and because it infuriates Argies
>>56961704
>sunk 4 ships
>damaged another 9
>British ships were over 7000 miles from home port
>Argentina still lost
>>56961873
>Gallipoli
>>56962081
eh, they were thinking that Thatcher would of just given into the Argentines.
But she sent a task force and retook the islands the absolute madwoman!
>>56960568
>implying this will change shit
stay mad tyrone
>>56971817
Why do people on /int/ pretend Gallipoli was a primarily Anzac battle?
>>56968611
>rare
hello newfriend :)
>>56971613
they are apparently looking for oil in the waters around the islands, so they could become a bit more useful soon
>United Nations
>>56963216
I think the argies on 4chan are the least salties of us all, even with this kind of posts, we're just discussing shit, no crying over it
The old people here is the most annoying shits you can hear. Sure it was a tragedy but it also was a really stupid decision from the goverment
>>56960568
>taking UN seriously
Way to trigger the Anglos, bro
>>56960568
>todas fuentes Argentinas
No tenés uno de la BBC?
Jesus fucking CHRIST we've been 150 sperging out about these islands
stop
just STOP
>En consecuencia, el país ganará 1.700.000 kilómetros cuadrados, que incluye las islas del Atlántico Sur y la Antártida. Será clave para el reclamo legal por las Islas Malvinas
Boy we are gonna have fun times dealing with the Chinese now
>>56972560
Good, all the more reason for the navy to get the lion's share of the budget.
So, when the war will start?
We have many bombs and missiles here, ls buy :D
>>56972655
What budget
>>56972765
Soon Macri will Make Argentina Great Again and your budget will start to grow
>>56972973
Obama left with all the budget we had
>>56972765
W-We'll do i for you.
>>56973014
>Obama left with all the budget we had
We shall help the Argentinians.
>>56973382
>help
>sold ammo for both sides
>help
>sold equipment for both sides
>help
Yeah, help.
>>56960568
Che pibe, gib call and we double team against the Eternal Anglo.
>>56973492
we should
>>56973573
Even better is that UN and other Human Rights groups were pissed at us for selling Cluster Bombs to Saudi Arabia. That it been shelling cities in Yemen.
Nobody here gave a shit.
>>56960568
Chinese fishers doesn't like this...
>Invading the internationally recognised sovereign territory of a state that has said that it will use nuclear weapons against a nuclear or non-nuclear weapons state in case of an attack on its territory
Ah yes very impressive
>>56973738
>luces en el océano
Que cojones es eso?
>>56972765
We got noice amount of monies, we just need more hull numbers.
>>56973869
Miles y miles de barcos chinos pescando en los (viejos) limites maritimos. Usan las luces para atraer no se cual especie de pescados.
>>56974010
Why not bomb that?
>>56974132
They are in international waters. You are required to ensure the mariners survive. you can't just bomb them.
Now, if this ONU thing means the maritime borders have change, we have just removed them from their fishing flocks. Maybe they'll leave now
>>56960568
And what does this mean in real terms? It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to the Falklands and I would honestly love the UN to try and claim such, it would be hilarious.
>>56974584
> You are required to ensure the mariners survive. you can't just bomb them.
only applied to your territories
we can't do what we want either, our economy is entirely dependent on china buying our soy
>UN
>mattering
De vuelta a taringa, bobo
On a more serious note, we need to consider accelerating the expansion of the Royal Navy. The new national shipbuilding plan has the aspiration of one new warship every two years but we might need a faster rate.
Problem is we don't have enough ships. If trouble starts in one area (like the South Atlantic) we can deal with it, if trouble starts in two areas simultaneously we start to have problems.
The USA is becoming more isolationist whether or not Trump wins their general election, therefore the Royal Navy needs to get bigger.
>>56974960
problem won't start right now though. you guys have time
it's really a problem to prepare for future contingencies when there's the whole "durkhas assploding metros" problem right now. Antarctica can wait
>>56974960
Rush building the Type 26 would be a mistake, and tOPVs two fucking OPVs on order are an utter waste that exist purely to keep the scottish shipyards busy.
>>56973738
putos chinos tío
>>56975145
The scale of the problem is the issue. On current plans the Royal Navy starts getting bigger from the 2020s and slowly at that.
>when there's the whole "durkhas assploding metros" problem right now
You can't drop everything to focus on terrorism. It's something you have to deal with while tackling other issues. We've had to deal with Irish terrorism for decades before Islamic terrorism became a thing. It's a background risk that never goes away.
>>56975210
>Rush building the Type 26 would be a mistake
It's the new "Type 31" that should be spam-able. Remember we're not getting 13 type 26s any more. It's 8 Type 26s for ASW - they will be expensive and top tier - and then "at least 5" lighter frigates of a completely new design, called Type 31
>>56974960
I want Britain to be great again, fuck the budget cuts. We get a YUUUGE airforce and navy
>>56975528
>2016
>Wanting a YUUUGE airforce and navy
You don't need to waste millions that way, do something useful
>>56975487
You say that about the Type 26 when the pricing aim was around £335mn, it was supposed to be as cheap as chips.
The project aim was affordability and exportability. We don't even know if the Type 31 will be actually cheaper than continuing to build Type 26 hulls yet.
>>56970538
>poland in the window
>>56960568
C O M E A N D T A K E I T
>>56975654
Not him but it's note a waste. The UK has strengths and it has weaknesses. Our weaknesses as a small island nation are fairly obvious. To counteract them we need a strong navy and air force in case there's a conflict that we need to influence, or sea trade routes become disrupted. 95% of UK trade happens by sea. A big navy is a necessity, the only reason we don't have one is complacency due to the US being unchallenged and non-isolationist. That can change fast with one election.
>>56975818
>it was supposed to be as cheap as chips.
You can't do ASW on a budget. That was always a fantasy. ASW is one of the most difficult and hi-tech parts of naval warfare. There's few countries that take it as seriously as we do, and those few will build their own ships rather than import
entire continent should be norwegian, and you know it
>>56973516
don't make us call our old friend alberto
>>56976105
Again, you say that when the Type 26 is 80% pulled through / no R&D tech.
I feel like we are passive aggressively lecturing each other on things we both know and agree on.
>>56976493
The Chinese and British should be out of the South Atlantic
Why do Brits try and act tough about the Falklands when they ran away like cucks from Hong Kong?
>>56976695
They also ran away twice from the port of Buenos Aires
>>56976695
Hong Kong was handed back as agreed by the 99 year lease, not that I would expect the descendants of thieves to know anything of honouring a contract though.
>>56976690
Now why would we be out of our own territory?
>>56976695
Hong Kong and Falklands are very different, you are retarded if you think that they are the same.
>>56976695
If Hong Kong was an Island off the coast of China inhabited by 90%+ white Brits they most likely wouldn't have returned that either.
>>56976886
>>56977001
>>56976799
>uh..we totally wanted to give it back like we did
>definitely not cucks guys haha
>>56977273
You can meme if you so wish, but that really doesn't change anything.
The whole point of these islands is that Brazil still didn't understand that Britain is an enemy and the existence of any british possession in the South Atlantic is a national security threat. Not now, but it will be in the future.
>>56977621
Why?
>>56977605
Just pointing out how pathetic it is no need to lose ur head mate
>>56977621
The Antarctic territory isn't a big issue yet but it will be in the future. Argentina and Chile should unite against any British claim over the Antarctic
>>56976695
What was even funnier was the battle of singapur.
Brits getting cucked at singapur best day of my life
>>56977971
Pero sabes que los chileños te van a traicionar.
>>56977671
Brazil can't have the privilege of not controlling the south atlantic or sharing it exclusively with it allies. It's just too important. We have the geographical advantage, specially because of our northeastern promontory, but these islands can pose a seriously threat to our attempts do defend this area.
And as >>56977971 pointed out, in the future if antartic exploration is more broad (tho we will probably much sooner see a scramble for the arctic), it's best to remove any claim the Brits have in there and transfer it for our allies, since we would be able to profit as well.
>>56961430
>president changes
>therefore the leftist government is out
Educate yourself
>>56978313
>president changes
>everything remains the same
But that's the USA man.
>>56978221
No. Argentina and Chile are allies. Both countries share rightful claims over the Antarctic territory
>>56976493
>Again, you say that when the Type 26 is 80% pulled through / no R&D tech.
>I feel like we are passive aggressively lecturing each other on things we both know and agree on.
Eh maybe. I still don't think it's trivial or cheap to build a new acoustically quiet hull, make sure the engines are quiet enough and everything else. Plus they're innovating a little with the flexible mission bay
>>56976695
>Why do Brits try and act tough about the Falklands when they ran away like cucks from Hong Kong?
We honoured our treaty to China. If there was a treaty where we agreed 99 years ago to hand the Falklands back to Argentina, then we should damn well do it.
>>56977971
A monkey and an African pose as much threat as someone farting in our general direction.
>>56977621
>>56978299
Why is Britain an enemy and not a potential ally? I don't understand this logic.
>>56978607
you know, because of the perfidiousness and stufff
>>56978494
Don't you ever underestimate. During the Malvinas war, you guys had help from Pinochet, France, the US and gurkhas. Things have changed
>>56978713
If you look at the behaviour of major powers in the last couple hundred years, Britain tends to honour its treaties more than most other countries. Just look at this thing with Hong Kong. Seems like if we honour treaties we get laughed at, and if we don't we're uniquely perfidious. You never see the Germans, French or Americans called that when they're all arguably much worse than Britain at stabbing allies in the back.
>>56978833
Yeah things have changed since 82
>>56978377
Don't misinterpret me. The war was a stupid decision made by a dictator. Both Thatcher and Galtieri went wrong
>>56978607
>no cultural ties
>no shared borders
>warmongers
>inverventionist
>NATO
>no significant trade
>USA's """"puppet"""
I have nothing against GB, but we aren't potential allies. At best we are neutral towards each other. And """neutral""" regarding national security doesn't really matters for Brazil, we can't have a spearhead so near our backyard.
>>56979107
Thatcher was wrong for taking back British territory which had been illegally invaded?
What would you do if Brazil or Chile illegally occupied some Argentine territory? Nothing?
>>56979265
I advise you not to reply to that guy. You're fueling his delusions.
>>56978974
You had rented for 99 years part of HK from China, not the whole lot.
You gave back the whole lot because the chinese could take it from you any time and America wasn't going to fight a war for you against your current Best Strategic partner.
Get fucked britshit.
>>56979265
The conflict didn't begin in 1982. It started back in the XIX Century among imperialist nationas like Spain, France and Britain. The Islands were part of the territories inherited from Spain. In 1833 the British occupied them illegally
>>56978377
I never claimed it was trivial, but a lot of the same lessons taken from building the Type 23 can be applied to the Type 26.
>>56979496
He literally didn't deny any of that.
If you look through the thread everyone has said we gave it back because of the treaty.
>>56979410
Me parece ridiculo que siendo argentino defiendas intereses extranjeros. Y no hablo desde un nacionalismo barato
hi again from antarctica!!
nice to hear this new
>>56976695
>>56977273
We only leased it, not giving it back would have been bitchy as fuck
>>56979719
Lindo strawman. No coincidir con tus fantasías es defender intereses extranjeros, mira vos.
>>56979719
I find cheap nationalism to be ridiculous and meaningless. At the end of the day, we are all people but I think there won't be a fair solution to this issue until the British decide to sit down to talk
>>56980168
>but I think there won't be a fair solution to this issue until the British decide to sit down to talk
About what? You want the Islands and we do not want to give them up, how do you negotiate that?
>>56979578
Is that a joke?
Our claim goes all the way back to 1690 and continues along side the french until 1966 when the foundation ofPort Egmonthappened, then in 1770, you attacked our port.
You are the squatters here.
>>56978833
I don't know what the "malvinas war" is but during the Falklands you invaded a minor outpost on the other side of the planet and you are right, things have changed, now the islands are garrisoned and defended with considerably better equipment than last time and your imperialistic aspirations are now in our field of view.
Then there is the fact that our ships are significantly more advanced with a single Type 45 destroyer having better air defence capabilities than the entire fleet sent back in 82.
We could probably take on all of South America combined. We still have the Gurkhas and proudly so, ditto the yanks, not that they aould be needed, but there nonetheless.
But let's not forget that Argentina is a shadow of its former self and your ships are budgeted to a few days at sea per year and are mostly left to rust at such a degree they sink by themselves.
From a purely objective point of view unless you are being given advanced military prototypes from an advanced enemy of Britain purely to give us a middle finger as per France in the American revolution, the facts speak for themselves.
As a 4chan user you are most likely intelligent and open minded enough to weigh up simple facts without nationalistic dick waving, tell me what factors I am overlooking, please.
>>56980085
Mira la verdad tu voz es irrelevante. No sos nadie en el mundo de la diplomacia internacional
>>56980258
*of Port Egmont happened
>>56980168
There's not much to talk about, the islanders don't want anything to change.
They are the ones that matter here.
>>56980321
>We could probably take on all of South America combined
>>56979496
Gibe raltar or I report yuo!
>>56960568
aprils fools!
>>56979578
>>56979496
>You had rented for 99 years part of HK from China, not the whole lot.
From an administrative and practical POV if we had to hand over that part (the "New Territories"), it was impossible to divide Hong Kong up and keep the rest.
>You gave back the whole lot because the chinese could take it from you any time
Why didn't they take it back before the 99 year lease expired then?
>>56979867
I wonder what made them put a rock climbing wall inside our research pod in our Antarctic territory.
That doesn't help you fight the Thing.
>>56980462
Chile being our greatest ally would get all your clay.
>>56961527
>NM = Nanometers
>IT CAN"T STAND FOR ANYTHING ELSE, EVER
>Finnish """"""""""autism""""""""""
>>56980168
But there is a solution, we own our islands and you shut up whining.
>>56980626
Where is that pic of Chile occupying all the coast in the Americas?
>mfw I would then listen to cars blasting reggaeton instead of sertanejo
>>56980321
Nowadays the international tactic encompasses much more than having a strong army, we're not in the empire era anymore (with few exceptions) The people living in Malvinas, who have the right to live there, are a colonial enclave which is the result of the Illegal British Occupation in 1833. The Islands had been uninhabited for a long time
>>56980462
That statement is as suspect as me saying we could take on all of Africa combined. It is complete fact.
>>56980746
SOON...
Give me a rifle and some bullets!
FOR KING AND COUNTRY!
>>56980845
chicano
>>56961704
>be argentina
>lose one ship
>keep the rest of your fleet in port for the rest of the war
>this somehow means your navy is better than ours because we lost more ships because we actually used ours
>argies in charge of critical thinking
>>56980754
I see, so you're just a drone spouting programming against facts. I gave you too much credit.
Oh well.
>>56980462
He's right you know.
uno de los de arriba es chicano y entiende todo lo que escribo JKASJKASJKASJKASJK
>>56980883
Una vela!
>>56981063
know
>be british
>get nigg'd
>>56980754
>Nowadays the international tactic encompasses much more than having a strong army, we're not in the empire era anymore
Since 1945 we've had a bipolar world until 1991 and then a unipolar world that's transitioning to multipolar. The international rules-based system has worked (sometimes) only because there has been a superpower overwhelmingly more powerful than the rest. If the superpower suffers relative decline to the extent that it can't enforce the rules-based international system, good old-fashioned armies come back in vogue.
>>56980356
Y vos si? Se.me ríen los huevos. r/argentina te va a gustar.
>>56963216
>>56972188
>The old people here is the most annoying shits you can hear
well you'd be pretty mad too if you and your best friends/your sons/anyone related to you were sent to war at 17 years old with rifles that don't even work
>>56981115
That's poor, even for you man.
My favorite me-me
>>56973516
Las pancartas del toro ese es de España :o
>>56981326
Texas?
>>56981419
I compare it more to crimea than to falklands.
The falklands were never yours plus we never really had that nationalistic rush to go to war with a major power.
>>56981593
I know that many Mexicans hate Argentina but you guys should be more worried about Donald Trump
>>56981678
My god, a wall around the Falklands, argentina yuo are of genius.
>>56981787
I believe you're being sarcastic. Who would go to live in some isolated, windy and boring islands? Even Patagonia is almost uninhabited, beautiful place though.
>>56981903
From what I understand, the Falklands are inhabited by Welsh people, so give them a few sheep for company and they are right as rain.
>>56982035
In Patagonia there are small towns founded by the Welsh and they are okay being Argentines
>>56981678
Individualmente los adoro, culturalmente los odioamo, no se, es curioso, y pues yo adoro el meme solo porque causa que mucha gente se enoje es más la reaccion lo que me causa gracia que el mme en si.
I can worry about the two.
>>56982155
So the Falklands shit isn't actually about the islands, it's two lots of taffs fighting over who gets the best sheep.
>>56977621
That's actually pretty retarded, we bought a few war ships and now they're helping us with the radar system of the Tamandaré Class.
>current year
>STILL whining about Malvinas
Its fucking retarded.
>>56982395
>Google Tamandaré Class
>First result is for The Brazilian corvette Barroso
>>56982395
HONK HONK
LAS SUR ATLANTICO ERES DE LOS LATINOS
AYYYYYYY
JAJAJAJAJAJAAJ
ARRIBA ARRIBA
HANDALE HANDALE
TIENGO UN GATO DENTRO LOS PANTALONES
OLÈ
>>56982709
>italian banter
Fix me a pizza Giuseppe. Hold the onions.
>>56982649
Only found Portuguese links.
http://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2014/11/11/noticia-artisan-systems-bradar-radar-corveta-tamandare.html
>>56982395
>That's actually pretty retarded
No, you are the retarded who thinks you disproved my point because of military acquisitions and exchange.
>>56982709
"Arriba arriba" "Andale andale" sounds Mexican
>>56982948
"Olé" is Spaniard slang
>>56960568
I'm glad for you. Argentina isn't a bad country.
>>56982917
This monkey is right 2bh, you should never trust anyone in international affairs. That doesn't mean you should get delusions of grandeur however.
>>56982917
>>56983017
What i'm saying is, just because someone walks around the backyard doesn't mean that they are enemies, just looks ay US with bases in Colombia and Paraguay.
Stop with your dreams of "le great brazil"
>>56964614
>Send a whole bunch of people to an area
>Repress the locals till the point where they leave
>Gain a majority in this area
>Hold elections after this
>"LOOK, THEY WANT TO BE BRITISH!"
British democracy ladies and gentleman
Argentina has my support
>>56983017
>>56983102
>delusions of grandeur
>Le great Brazil
Neither. It's quite simple. The south Atlantic is a strategic area for Brazil and we should work to take control of it and/or share it with close allies. Britain doesn't fulfill the later and never will, and since they control territories in this area it must be treated as a threat, plain and simple. As I said before, we do have the geographical advantage due to the northeast promontory, but these islands can pose a significant threat to Brazil's efforts to defend its interests. Not to mention that in future exploitation of the Antarctic we are posed to win little if they do enforce their claim, which is based on these same islands.
What you are both doing is saying that Brazil should just cower and watch the world moving around instead of acting to promote its own goals as a nation.
>>56983599
But we have nothing to do in South Atlantic and who'll explore the pre-salt? Petrobrás? HAHAHAHAH No, it will probably be selled for some Chinese company or whatever.
We don't have the power to do shit in the atlantic.
>>56983282
Sounds like hawaii
>>56980258
>Our claim goes all the way back to 1690
eh?
>>56984210
>claim
>>56984150
>>56983599
The South Atlantic is a strategic area for us as well. So what would you like Brazil to do? Go to war with the UK and take on the Royal Navy because the South Atlantic isn't big enough? Sounds like a great plan
>>56984367
Such powerful allies.
SOON
The UK could literally veto any UN resolution because they're a member of the security council.
>>56984626
>Argentína es blanco
>all this anglo butthurt and tears
Good Job Argentina
Today was a good day.
>>56984354
yeah but i want to be spoonfed on how this claim originated britkun
>>56983282
The Falklanders are the natives, you silly spic.
>>56984470
>The South Atlantic is a strategic area for us as well.
Irrelevant for Brazil, you are an island far away from it and from us. As I said before, you aren't our allies nor will ever be.
>Go to war with the UK and take on the Royal Navy because the South Atlantic isn't big enough?
If it comes to that, yes. Brazil should be building our military to such confrontation, we have both the resources and manpower to do it. However we aren't (Tho we do have a few high profile projects like nuclear submarines), because our politicians (people in general) don't make long term plans regarding our future.
>>56983599
Exactly as I said, you shouldn't ever trust anyone, the only ones with your own interests at heart is yourself.
But as I also said, don't think you are Billy big bollocks. Don't pick fights that are beyond you.
>>56984626
SOON
>>56984826
I suppose you would be an expert in dealing with British shit.
>>56985205
Yes, yes I am
for your information
>>56985014
Don't develop an inferiority complex like Argentina, it's really sad more than anything.
>>56985254
Right, my bogs clogged. Get to work Poland.
>>56982596
It's not just about the Malvinas
It's about putting down a rabid eternal anglo imperialist whore
which should have been done centuries ago
>>56979252
>>56985014
What is Brazil going to do about it? Launch an attack and have the UK invoke Article 5 and get creamed by US and NATO?
Your country is on the path to civil war and you're talking like you can take on the UK, which you can't, nevermind if the US got involved.
>>56985663
>Your country is on the path to civil war
Sure.
>>56985014
I think you are incredibly misguided. You are talking ONLY in terms of the UK as "not an ally". Right now we are not allies. That's a good situation - we don't cause trouble for each other.
But you're not happy with this state of affairs. "Not allies" is not good enough. You want the UK to be Brazil's enemy. You seem to think that strategic relevance is a function of distance (it's not). Do you know why Argentina hasn't been able to purchase new fighters for their air force since 1982? Why they've been unable to even purchase second-hand fighters from Spain or France?
There are maybe 4 or 5 countries that consider themselves global (not regional) players and actually spend the cash to do something about it. These countries generally *try* to co-operate with each other, even those who certainly are not allies, because military confrontation with one of these countries tends to be a messy affair.
>>56985663
>have the UK invoke Article 5 and get creamed by US and NATO?
NATO has no relevance to the South Atlantic. Below the Tropic of Cancer it doesn't apply. North Atlantic area only.
That's not to say the UK wouldn't get help from its allies. But it wouldn't be via NATO.
>>56985907
Beware the anglo, his tricks, and never believe the bag of bullshit the spew.
you're dealing with pirates......nothing more
>>56985907
>That time argentina tried to buy Swedish fighters which had several components built in the UK and thus the purchase was repeatedly blocked
>>56986097
You don't have to believe anything, history will back me up on this. You are dealing with pirates that have a UNSC veto and membership of most relevant economic and political organisations on the planet. You can never underestimate what a British government won't do in order to win, even if the fight is of minor importance.
They won't just come for you with the navy. Economic weapons - probably sanctions courtesy of the EU. Not many people remember this but the EU put sanctions on Argentina in the Falklands War. Cyber attacks are a certainly - the UK is pouring billions of pounds into offensive cyber capability. It would be fun to see what they're capable of. All previous support for Brazil, which anons here are unaware of, such as British support for Brazil to join the UN Security Council and defence cooperation - all withdrawn and replaced with hostility until those anons have died of old age
Baffles me why you'd want the UK as an enemy for no good reason
>Argentina will develop nuclear weapons in your lifetime and sent to shit all this useless discussion in less than an hour with a single launch from coasts of Puerto Madryn
>>56986863
This.
Dunno why he was thinking that we were enemies desu. We've been in good terms lately.
>>56986890
You won't see that happen.
>>56960568
>UN comitee
I'm sure that's gonna have a lot of weight in reality.
>>56986944
Yea I wouldn't say that Brazil and the UK are mates, but they get along and don't get in each others way
>>56987102
We bought some of your warships a few years back and like the post earlier, you guys been helping us with the radars for our new corvette class.
Of course, it's natural to feel kinda ask ourselves why so many british movement on south atlantic.
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>>56987066
that you can't say and it's not like it would really matters me or anybody anyway, the only objective fact is that we can develop such technology today and that we couldn't 15 years ago.
Reminder Argentina is the only country with a stable civil presence in Antartica.
We should call a referendum once the antartic pact ends and get all of antartica. That's how it works, right?
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>>56987232
British traffic in the South Atlantic is almost entirely to do with supplying the British research bases on Antarctica. This polar science stuff is a fairly big deal for us - we just spent £200 million on a brand new Royal Research Ship (currently being built) and you can imagine it costs a fortune to keep all those research stations supplied. With so much money invested on projects so far from home, in a place that other countries claim as their own territory, we need a military presence to keep our investment safe. It's bigger than just defending the Falklands from Argentina.
>>56987698
Really, you guys manage that just now?
>>56987698
if anyone pulls out a nuclear the world will be a shitfest
>>56987827
I see, it's just people here gets really paranoid with that and other stuff around us. Which is why we almost don't get involved in so many conflicts to start, besides selling stuff.
Also chinks almost finishing building our new base there, since the older got burned. We also have a C-130 down there.
>>56987907
no shit
>>56987837
>>56987837
Actually we had a nuclear program in the junta times (and even in Peron's times too i think) but was abolished at the end of it.
What we now have is a stable nuclear energy use, uranium enrichment capacity, and an active development in the rocket industry.
>>56988237
Cool, same things as we have. Can you guys actually make a nuke via ICBM too or still far?
>>56987923
>I see, it's just people here gets really paranoid with that and other stuff around us.
You've been spoilt, that's why. Your area of the world is so peaceful - in the sense that there's a lack of big wars.
Here in Europe, our airspace and waters are constantly being tested by Russian fighters, bombers and submarines. If the RAF kept trying to violate Brazilian air space maybe I would sympathise with you.
>>56988418
True, but it doesn't mean that we're not prepared. We've been investing a lot in the latest years on defense, updating everyhting and implementing new programs such as SISFRON, which is a border control propgram that will constatly everything that happens in the borders, right now it's only working on the southern borders where most of the drugs and guns comes from.
The biggest worry about pretty much everyone here is that in the future someone will come to us for our resources. That's why in the amazon it's full of army bases and personell.
>>56986890
we have the technology to make the bomb and the missile (tronador, condonr), but no superpower would let any country join the nuclear club nowadays, and specially not Argentina which tries to regain a place in the civilized world.
Let's just keep it that way.
>>56961323
the problem isn't UK, it's the illegal fishing in that area
>>56987698
It won't happened as you've signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and good fucking luck backing out of that.
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>>56988417
It's just a matter of political will nowadays, don't now what Macri will do, but as >>56988816 say i think we have to do a little bit of public relations in the world first.
But in war times we could, yes.
>>56989032
>mfw another ARG-BRA arms race happen
>>56962081
It was a desperate attempt from the militar head of state to regain popularity and support because people was getting tired of their shit. Just a year after the war, we had democracy again.
>>56989032
>>56989156
Imagine if the foreign powers let us get with it, so we get the bomb, then brazil, then probably chile, it would be a mess. There's no point in doing that. What could be done is having the parts ready for building one in the shortest period of time, but we would need to test one first and that's impossible.
>>56980321
You terminally underestimate Brazilian monkeys.
>>56989273
We could build one in a short amount of time, dunno if Chile can too.
WWIII is around the corner, one of the reasons the military is building up as well.
>>56980531
Las Malvinas son Estados Unidos!
>>56988816
Just hook up with Iranis, they're shitting all over the west and their "NO NUKES FOR YOU" bants, and I wouldnt doubt they'd be stingy with their nuclear secrets with yous.
>>56989032
There's no reason to let you have the bomb, but there's plently of reasons not to.
As >>56989273 said you'd only destablised the whole region.
This is all pure fanfiction on your part.
>>56989273
>so we get the bomb, then brazil
Do you even uranium enrichment facility?
>>56989305
Do they know that we have the schematics of the W88 nuclear bomb from yur arsenal?
If not, dont tell them.
>>56989444
It's funny because the USA has a greater claim to the Falklands than argentina.
