I have a question for a long time.
Why Europeans especially Northern Europeans can use English so fluent?
I wanna use it as they use.
Please help me.
We have English in school from age 9. So at least 10 years of English in school even without college.
>>56756986
Genetics...
May look dump, but the sound of some words are hard to other cultures to assimilate due the small differences in his vocal cords...
Same thing with white people trying to learn Chinese or Japanese. You can live you entire life in that country, but you will still sound as an foreign.
No, i am not a specialist, but i didn't made this up.
>>56757102
Japanese also have English at least 6 years
>>56756986
Because their languages are similar, they are on average more intelligent and they learn it since they are young.
>>56756986
Finns write good English but we speak rallienklanti.
https://youtu.be/TAGbrM-MMRk?t=10
>>56757172
Yet they fail at it, horribly.
>>56757172
Your language isn't even indo-European, the syntax is totally different. And besides, you are used to different sounds.
>>56756986
Honestly, the biggest issue Japanese speakers have is that they need to work on the English pronunciation of the letter "R" and not add "U" to the end of everything that doesn't require it.
>>56756986
English is a Germanic language so it tends to structure similarly. Germans themselves speak a very natural sounding English fluently.
>>56757237
This. Japan is basically another planet from the anglosphere. Be happy we can communicate and interbreed without a galactic catastrophe.
This is what you have to do
Travel back in time and convince your ancestors to live in Nagasaki so that you never have to walk the Earth
>>56756986
I play online with a Swede all the time. He's fluent but his accent is so thick sometimes its really hard to understand what he's saying.
>>56757274
I like the "u" bit though
>>56757382
It makes for good times but if he wants to perfect the accent then he needs to start calling me "Bruce" instead of "Buroosuu"
>>56757378
>I play online with a Swede all the time.
You are that guy from Hello Kitty World?
Northern Europeans don't watch dubbed movies
It's hard to us learn japanese too.
>>56757416
The Japanese language is very pleasant to the ear but the language itself is really stupid. All word must end in a vowel (or N) so that habit gets imprinted with them for life, thinking that a word cannot end in a consonant. I think there's only one other language that does this and it's Swahili. That's right. Primordial African shit.
>>56757509
WHITU PIGGU GO HOMEEE!
>>56757524
That video is seriously some south-park tier shit.
OK,I give up today.
>>56756986
I learned it since I was young, and played a lot of video games in English.
Subbed movies help a lot. That's why Portugal is so good at English.
>>56757573
>France
>Northern Europe
Even so, French people have shit English.
>>56756986
No kidding, shitposting madly on 4chan is the best way to improve your english skills.
>>56757593
Yes, you're right. France is not in Northern Europe. You are a genius.
It's not so much that French people have shit English, it's that they do not want to speak English.
>>56757597
OK!
I shall make my English good.
>>56757640
French people are terrible at speaking English. They are afraid at admiting that the anglos won and they have lost.
You mean 'Engrish'
>>56757547
But you speak it so kawai na Japan senpai. I love how you guys speak English
>>56757675
Please, tell me more about my country Alberto.
>>56757159
Bullshit, all the Asians that I've met who were raised in America had the same accent as all the black and white native speakers from the same area.
>>56756986
I mean, they are closer together linguistically. (Germanic. Except Finland, of course)
I'm pretty sure a Portuguese would have an easy time learning Spanish.
>>56757509
>Swahili
>primordial African shit
M8, the language arose from trade with Arabs. That's evidence of complex social organization, not primordial by far.
>>56756986
Japanese English instruction is a textbook case of how not to teach a foreign language. English is an incredibly easy language to learn, though difficult to master.
>>56757509
Lots of languages don't allow or have only limited syllable codas. Chinese or Hawaiian, for example.
Besides the writing system, is Japanese hard to learn?
WAITU PIGGU GOE HOOOOH
https://youtu.be/5uC4AUyju7k
I think because mostly those countries belong to germanic laguages and aside that I guess they study with more toil.
>>56757274
IMPOSSIBRU!
>>56757675
It's true but I'd probably be the same if it was the other way round
>>56757858
Can you imagine, that 80 hour flight to Japan? Those two goons sharing fantasies about how awesome it's going to be to fuck all the Japanese women who will surely be lining up to suck their cocks the second they left the airport... and to be worshiped as living gods just for walking down the street?
Then they step into the daylight, eager to grace the pavement with their confident steps and receive all of their racially deserved welcome... only to be met with a bunch of people who took the day off just to call them farm animals and suggest they go right the fuck back to where they came from. Ah, the sting of reality!
Very easy for Scandis and Germans.
Modern English is pretty much a conlang of padding German/Norse local dialects with French words and grammar.
>>56758069
Are they just tourists though kek?
>>56758069
It wouldn't be a problem to me since most portuguese are asians. Arabs were here, arabs come from Asia therefore i am asian and closer to japan than most europeans
>>56758163
I dunno. I'm sorry. I just have a problem with weebs.
>>56757750
It's not bullshit. It's the same reason why Africans have an easier time pronouncing French than English.
>>56756986
Germanic languages are pretty easy for Germanic speakers to learn.
>>56758221
Except, you know, African Americans can speak English just fine. Even ebonics is basically just an extreme version of the southern dialect because they were first taught English by poor whites who were recruited to do that or even worked alongside them. And outside of the south or the small pockets of black majority areas, I don't think most blacks even speak ebonics. I live in Arizona, and the black people here speak English just like the white people.
>>56758221
Not that guy but that's a ridiculous notion.
Finns have large vocabulary because of excessive internet use, but speaking English is an entirely different matter because there is very little intonation in Finnish and the stress is basically always on the first syllables, whereas in English it depends on what you're trying to say. That's why swedes/germans etc usually sound better than finns when speaking the language, their native language basically works the same way as English when it comes to these things.
to be sincere english is very easier it only has 3 verb tenses and all others are compound verbs hahaha.
it took me only 10 months to know too many things about english language.
I am going to german coming soon.
There's an idea called "language distance" or how far apart two languages are. It tends to be uniform based on how far apart languages are in their language family tree, and they tend to be more difficult to learn the further apart they are. If two languages are from different families, then the effort and time taken grows significantly greater. This is why Euros might find Finnish or Georgian so hard, because they're not Indo-European.
Here's a dandy reference, it measures average time to learn languages for native English speakers.
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
4chan>>>>>>>classes at school
I think we shouldn't have English classes for 6 years.Most of us needn't to use English and above all,Japanese English education is just garbage.It is not worth taking.
>>56758330
I wanted say very easy
>>56758351
Plus the cultural expressions. I took Mandarin in high school, and half the time the teacher was explaining how expressions came to be because they'd make no sense to someone that wasn't versed in Chinese culture. I gave up on Mandarin after high school because of that + fuck the writing system. Also I looked at some videos about Swahili because I thought that might be easier and interesting to learn, and it was similar in that you have to learn some of the culture to speak the language.
>>56756986
It's because their education system is way better than other countries, especially in hungertina.
In my last year at a public school we saw past perfect and passive voice, the majority of the students graduate whitout having learned the verb to be
>>56758351
>Afrikaans, Swedish, and Romanian are similar to English
Honestly never knew that.
>>56758258
Yeah this is right.
I always had this notion that Norwegian was a hard language, but when I actually did start studying it I found tons of similarities to English and French (the only other two Western languages I know) immediately.
Korean, on the other hand, first seemed to me as though it might be an extraterrestrial tongue, developed in a far galaxy and corrupted and distorted in its passage to Earth. At least in comparison.
>>56758363
underage b& or uni student?
>>56758509
Afrikaans is just Dutch, English has Scandinavian grammar and Romanian is just wacky Slavic French.
>>56757172
If you spent 6 years learning korean you could boast about how good at foreign languages the japanese are. Oh guys look at us we're all bilingual
English is just too different so its harder mang
>>56758509
Afrikaans because of its derivation from Dutch, which is considered the "easiest" non-meme language to learn coming from English. Meme languages that are super close to English being Scots and Frisian.
Romanian is close because it's actually a Romance language.
Sweden is somewhat similar because it's pretty close on the tree to us.
Have another cool thing to look at.
>>56758512
Yeah I agree with you on Korean. I'm just going to stay away from Oriental and Semetic languages.
>>56758563
Is Hangul still as phonetic (ie: when you hear a word you know how to write it, and when you read a word you know how to pronounce it) as when it was created? I really wish English could reform its orthography to be phonetic so that learning to read/write wouldn't be such a pain in the ass. Imagine how bad the spelling on /int/ would be if spell check didn't exist kek.
How many of you guys speak more than one language?
I always hear of people being fluent in three or so languages and it blows my mind everytime.
>>56758707
>reform its orthography to be phonetic
You can't even imagine the tremendous butthurt that would generate.
>>56758707
t. ghoti
>>56758783
Used to be fluent in Swedish and German, but I didn't use them at all after high school, and now they're gone.
>>56758784
Other countries have pulled off massive language reforms before. It wouldn't even be that bad as long as the reformed version is recognizable enough that old people who can't learn that much anymore have no trouble reading it. Then all we have to do is start teaching the reformed version in schools and provide material for adults who want to learn the new system, which is easier than ever thanks to the internet. Idk why it'd be so controversial, I think we all remember the pain of being an elementary/middle school student in English class and having to deal with learning the fucked up orthography.
>>56758908
english is no longer spoken in just a country
>>56757159
Are you retarded or you just pretend?
>>56758908
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforms_of_Portuguese_orthography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Language_Orthographic_Agreement_of_1990
Just ask any Portuguese person/Portuguese language teacher. They're butthurt as fuck to this day. And it wasn't that big of a change.
>>56758908
>we all remember the pain of being an elementary/middle school student in English class and having to deal with learning the fucked up orthography
Maybe if you're a fucking moron.
All jokes aside though, this is what reading is good for. Spend enough time reading and English is a breeze.
Of course, that requires you growing up in an English speaking household, but the point still stands.
>>56758707
>Is Hangul still as phonetic (ie: when you hear a word you know how to write it, and when you read a word you know how to pronounce it) as when it was created?
Mostly. The difference in pronounciation of the characters ㅐ and ㅔ has been eschewed over the years, causing them to sound the exact same, so that requires memorization on a more or less word-by-word basis. But that distinction only matters when writing; when reading, you can speak exactly the words that you read, and it will always be correct. No English bullshit.
Some dialects fuck with pronunciation (like saying "머" instead of "뭐" since it's just easier) so you must be prepared for that too when listening.
>>56758947
Most of other multinational languages have their international language organization
>>56758947
But if the USA adopted it, most other English speaking countries probably would too. Except maybe not the UK because muh heritage. But I think the Anglophone African countries would be quick to adopt the US reforms because they're not even done adopting English in the first place, so minor reforms wouldn't be that much of a change and it'd make the future much easier, especially since English is mainly spoken as a lingua franca and a second language in those countries.
>>56759002
On the other hand, if the orthography is reformed to make reading easier, especially for children, then young students who might not be inclined to read could find it more enjoyable and would read more because of it. I love reading now, but hated it as a child.
>>56758901
At least they are only a few hours away. I'd have to spend hundreds on airfare to speak to French speakers
I refuse to learn Spanish and speak to poor and violent spics
>>56759133
There's French speakers in Louisiana too, you don't have to go all the way to Quebec.
>>56759121
I don't know man, that seems like a big if.
I think the difficulty lies in finding a way for kids to want to invest their free time in reading. Not only do you have to find some subject that appeals to them, but they'd have to want to spend time on books instead of video games, TV, or the Internet.
Although those aren't bad ways to augment English proficiency.
>>56759133
>I refuse to learn Spanish and speak to poor and violent spics
Good lad. Come to us.
I learned japanese for 2 years,I'm fucking fluent
I learned english for 20 years,I'm still not fluent
>>56757237
Finnish is not Indo-European either but they can English speak.
>>56759237
That's because Japanese is a dialect of Korean with a retarded writing system:^)
Maybe if the Japanese dropped katakana, they'd have an easier time. I honestly believe most of their problems come from writing and thinking in whole syllables instead of individual letters.
>>56759155
Yeah but I'd get shot. Too much crime amd blacks in Louisiana for my taste
>>56759196
Y'all got any moose burgers?
Scandinavian languages are just so similar to english. And we finns just have good teachers and high autism level.
>>56759361
Nothing is inherently wrong with syllabic characters, it's the language's use of them thar matters. Japanese just happens to use them in an archaic and unintuitive way
>>56759407
Yeah, but I've only tried up to elk burgers. Tasted like beef kinda.
I wonder if it's actually a sign of laziness to be good at English as a Finn.
All the working people I know have very basic English.
>>56759664
You don't need them Finland, your have your internet friends
>>56759121
>if the USA adopted it
>if
You won't conform to the metric system, what makes you think you would do something far more drastic?
>>56759196
Shut the fuck up Jackie you god damned traitor CCP shill.
>>56756986
A huge reason for this is the fact that English and the majority of European languages are all based on Latin. They share an alphabet. This makes it much easier to learn since you have a foundation to work with.
We watch movies and tv shows from USA without dubs and video games aren't translated either.
>>56758783
TV, movies and video games give me english.
Also if i would have been partially from another country or bothered to try in high school i could have had another one.
Runescape. There really exists a correlation between videogames played as a child and the level of English skills.
>>56761047
>Scandanavia no dubs
>France and Italy dub
It all makes sense
>>56762730
Suomi
>>56758707
English was originally phonetic, as in words were spelt according to how they sound. This was stopped around the 1700s or 1800s, since Elizabethan people wrote phonetically.
I learned English because I wanted to talk shit to other people in cs 1.6. You just need to hear and use the language to become good at it. I can hardly speak any Swedish even though I've studied it for 6 years. Has nothing to do with how different the languages are, for example Finnish or Estonian are just as different from English as Korean or Japanese.
t. Finn
>>56759121
>UK
>Much heritage
We wouldn't accept it because it's a retarded idea, made for retards by retards.
We are all brainwashed in English since the day we are born. It's even worse in Northern countries, they're actively killing their languages to replace them with American.
1. We don't dub movies and tv-series.
2. Small language area, so your forced to learn the new lingua franca.
3. High levels of American cuckoldry.
4. Good education system.
In order of relevance.
Language is not a skill. Babies learn to speak and children learn to read, as an adult you would have to be extraordinarily stupid to not speak whichever language you want fluently.
>>56761079
Yeah this is mostly why in my case too and another thing about northen europe is that nothing is ever dubbed here, either. Language options in games usually include stuff like spanish, german, french et cetera, but never nordic languages so when I was 6 and wanted to play pokemon, I had no choice but to start learning english.
>>56758602
tfw youre probably the only person that can speak Zealandic on /int/
>>56765812
>1. We don't dub movies and tv-series.
And thank god for that. Western TV is just horrible because of the dubs.
Though I imagine nowadays with digital being prevalent, all big satellite providers let you choose whether you want dub or subs, right?
>>56757220
good old Gronholm, i miss his antics.
>>56756986
It's a matter of understanding tenses and worse choice. For example you'd say fluently in your sentence Instead of fluent. I waS raised speak English but with lots of study and practice you can easily learn the difference between and how to properly use words that end in ly and ING and shit like that. I struggled with that shit when I was a wee lass but I for gud eventually and you will too. My Japanese wife was lucky enough to be hella rich and afford really gold English tutors but you can succeed without money. Just takes effort and time.
>>56767175
No because there is simply no dub indistry here. Other than for kids shows but thats understandable
>>56767430
You do have "lectors" though, right? Or is every western flick subbed on the TV?
We basically have a guy read actors' lines in a most neutral way possible. It "kind of" works, because the way he talks makes the actors real voice blend with the polish language. Or at least that's how I felt when I was a kid, haven't watched TV in forever lol.
>>56767501
We dont have lectors.
>>56758783
Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and English.
>>56767569
So movies on telly were always subbed? Fun.
>>56756986
Common roots
Because English is germanic language.
For norwegian learn English as easily as for me learn Ukrainian.
