Redpill me about Scotland.
Are they respect nations' traditions (Gàidhlig language, for example)?
Is the word "gàidhlig" (as a name of the language) an adjective or a noun in Gàidhlig?
What about indepedence referendum, are results valid or falsified by Brussels or London?
What about Brexit, what Scots will do if its happen?
Are people here redpilled or cucked?
>>56439348
>Are they respect nations' traditions (Gàidhlig language, for example)?
Only around 35000 people claim to speak Gaelic and that is limited to the West Highland and Islands. It's never really been the language of Scotland as a whole for any period of time.
>Is the word "gàidhlig" (as a name of the language) an adjective or a noun in Gàidhlig?
No clue. I don;t know anyone who speaks Gaelic.
>What about indepedence referendum, are results valid or falsified by Brussels or London?
Absolutely real. 55% voted with their heads and not their hearts. 45% voted because they thought mel gibson would make an excellent King once we had freeeeedumb.
>What about Brexit, what Scots will do if its happen?
I will be celebrating like it's 1999. Sadly the SNP will then push for another indy ref, which is a spit in the face to the 55% majority of people who voted against it, and were told it was a once in a life time happening.
>Are people here redpilled or cucked?
Cucked hard. The disease of liberalism has infected Scotland in a big way.
>Should I move there
No, we have lots of plumbers. Please don't
i like them
>>56439348
top cucks
>>56439700
go away, not ireland
>>56439700
>>56439848
Who copped who's flag? Seriously it's confusing.
Also, do Irish think they are Scottish? Because Americans think that your are the same country/culture for some reason. Did they learn it from you?
>>56439955
>Because Americans think that your are the same country/culture for some reason
We used to be the same people, kinda like Russians and Belorussians. Scottish people chose to become Protestant (we're Catholic) and they're usually more pro-English than we are.
>>56439585
>No, we have lots of plumbers. Please don't
Did i said I want to?
>Going independent
>freeeeedumb
>Exiting EU
>Cool
What is so funny being tied to turbocucked England? You can't decuck Scotland if it is in the UK, even if the UK is outside EU. Sow what's the point?
>>56439585
>leaving UK is bad
>leaving Europe is good
Cuck.
>>56439348
As far as the language goes, it's not really the historical language of the whole people anyway. For places like the more southern, and central-East areas Scots would be the language, which sort of just became the accent, with lots of the words influencing how people speak (considering how close Scots already is to English).
As far as the Government, most politicians, and regarding pretty much all the young people and the like, cucks on par with Sweden.
>>56440018
That's not true at all. Irish/Scots/Gaels never made up much of Scotland, and never have. They are mostly Anglo-brythonic in genetics language and culture.
>>56440097
You don't understand the people behind the Yes vote for independence. It wasn't this big nationalistic move, the idea for it was to not be a part of big bad racist capitalist UK, and become the new Socialist Scottish Republic that is equal, opening doors to the refugees, and aiming to become the biggest cucks ever.
>>56440219
>Irish/Scots/Gaels never made up much of Scotland, and never have.
Yeah, you're simply wrong. Gaels were the main driving force behind unifying Scotland. They even spoke the same language as us for hundreds of years, until their King decided he wanted to speak English instead. Even their Kings used to write to our Lords and refer to Ireland/Scotland as being one country, Irish and Scots as being one people.
English cucks will try to convince you the Scots have always hated the Irish, that simply isn't the case. We were the same people for centuries, we had the same customs and language for centuries, we were brothers in arms for centuries.
There's a reason Irish people love the Scottish, and that's because we're the same people.
>>56440353
Not all over though. Especially not in areas like Fife, or the Lothians. Where the closest thing to the Irish you'd get were Picts, which was an entirely different story. Being unified doesn't mean the same people either. When the Ottomans took the Balkans, and people all over the Balkans would eat similar food, and have some similar customs due to being in the Empire, that doesn't make them all Turks.
>>56440159
>it's not really the historical language of the whole people anyway
Seems for most at least in some point of time.
>>56440069
>>56440097
And now i'm mad.
You dumb fucks have NO idea about politics here so listen the fuck up, I'm going to explain it to you.
Scotland is a part of the UK. We created it, and we support it. We were not invaded, or forced into it. We are British, and we are Scottish.
Independence is anything but. The ONLY party is the SNP, who are leftist CUNTS who want full EU integration and open door immigration, and who would destroy this country in less than a decade in they have control over anything important.
There is NO option to be seperate from bothe the EU and the UK. That is not a possibility, and it is not going to happen. The SNP would be a part f the EH absolutely with independence. Handing Brussels our sovereignty is INSANE.
Belonging to the UK however make sense for economics, security and sovereignty, and we are regaining devolved powers, and is a far safer option that a single party socialist state within the EU which we have NO democratic control over.
So fuck you both who call us cucks. Cucks are those who vote to hand the keys to this country to the EU. They are not, thankfully the majority of Scotland yet.
Don't comment on thing you do not remotely understand.
>>56440419
Before that though, Pictish was the main language from North of the Forth.
>>56440414
>Where the closest thing to the Irish you'd get were Picts, which was an entirely different story.
The Picts weren't Gaels, they were a different type of Celt. That does not detract from the fact that it was the Gaels who were the major driving force behind unification.
>When the Ottomans took the Balkans, and people all over the Balkans would eat similar food, and have some similar customs due to being in the Empire, that doesn't make them all Turks.
It wasn't as though the Irish had just showed up and said "this is ours now", there's studies showing Gaelic culture developed in Scotland around the same time as it did in Ireland. It wasn't a war of conquest and extermination, it was a common ancestry and culture. Scots and Irish were incredibly close knit, many families having branches on both sides of the sea.
The Russian said the Gaels never made up much of Scotland, and he was simply wrong.
>>56440419
Once again, Poland proves a great ally for Éire.
>>56440545
Which still does not do anything to change the fact that Gaels were an instrumental part, the most significant part, in the creation of Scotland.
>>56440353
Not true.
Northumbria spanned form the Humber to the Forth and was Anglo. Strathclyde the south west were Brythoinic, and the north east was Pictish (also Brythonic). Only the North West was Gael. Yes they were the ruling kings for a short time, but heavily intermarried with European nobility, and just like Ireland imported Norman lords. The people meanwhile remained anglo-brythonic as Ivan said.
Gaels were eventually clearanced, and ended up in the south and abroad, but again are not really a significant part of Scottish history except for 18th century romantic literate about the highlands and Jacobites.
I like the Irish, but we really don't have that much in common.
>>56440448
Kurwa I'm mad now too:-)
>>56440448
>Don't comment on thing you do not remotely understand
I didn't comment, I asked because i do not understand. This board is for it. This thread is for it. No need to be mad.
>So fuck you both who call us cucks
>both
I wasn't. You are:
>>56439585
>Cucked hard. The disease of liberalism has infected Scotland in a big way.
>>56440448
>There is NO option to be seperate from bothe the EU and the UK
If You see an SNP as the only separatist force. Maybe it is, but it lies in yours hands to get rid of it.
>>56440419
You have to understand that everything north of the Forth/Clyde line was always very sparsely populated. The majority of the population lives in the south. Also the south west was Gaelic speaking for a very very short time.
>>56440448
>We created it,
>We were not forced into it
Kek
>>56440610
>Northumbria
Most of which became modern England.
>Strathclyde the south west were Brythoinic
Which died out.
>and the north east was Pictish (also Brythonic)
Which were largely subsumed by Gaelic culture and language.
>The people meanwhile remained anglo-brythonic as Ivan said.
And the Vikings took the Isle of Mann but were Gaelicised. The Normans took over large parts of Ireland but again, because Gaelicised. Simple genetics is not the make or break of peoples.
>>56440819
>Which died out.
Language yes, and was replaces with Scots, not Gaelic.
>Which were largely subsumed by Gaelic culture and language.
Not true, the north east doesn't even have many Gaelic place names. For instance Aberdeen using the Brythonic word for Inlet instead of Inver which is the Gaelic word. It is also completely Anglo speaking. Gaelic was never a thing there for long.
>And the Vikings took the Isle of Mann but were Gaelicised. The Normans took over large parts of Ireland but again, because Gaelicised. Simple genetics is not the make or break of peoples.
Norse-Gaels settled Galloway only. That area changed hands several times though. Was Cumbric (Rheged), also Northumbrian.
>>56440819
To say we're exactly the same people, and all of Scotland was Gaelic is entirely inaccurate though, not all over the country. In parts like Fife and the Lothians, as well as the borders, the people were never Gaelic. What you say is true for the more Western parts, like in Glasgow.
I'm not trying to say it out of a hate for the Irish or a love for the English. But just to say that we did have our own unique people and customs, we have our own thing going on too.
>>56441140
Glasgow was not Gaelic. Glasgow itself is a Brythonic word. The only Gaels were Irish potato niggers and highland clearance refugees.
>>56441217
>names are the only thing that matters
Alba is Old Irish, guess you're all Irish :^)
>>56440448
Scroteland is so cucked is not even funny
>>56441460
>Alba is Old Irish
No
>>56440097
>cuck
XDXDXD
up voted my ignorant friend
>>56440668
>All this talk of independence from an EU welfare leech with state-controlled media
Isn't sedition illegal in your "country"?
>>56441460
Ireland is modern English. Your point is very weak. Plus Scotland was called Caledonia before it was called Alba.
>>56441657
Isn't your government practically Communist and Full EU members? Who's cucked?
>>56441735
>No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Kingdom_of_Alba#Pictland_to_Alba
>There remains the possibility that Alba is simply a Gaelic translation of the Pictish name for Pictland. Both the Welsh and the Irish use archaic words for Briton to describe the Picts. It is very likely therefore that the Picts did so themselves; or if they did not originally, they came to do so. In which case the Pictish for Pictland would have been either the same as their word for Britain, or an obsolete term. Alba was exactly this kind of word in Old Irish. It is therefore plausible that Alba is simply a Gaelic translation.
>>56442025
>Ireland is modern English
I was mocking his use of placenames as an argument, I was not using it as an argument, Ivan.
>>56442099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba
>The term first appears in classical texts as Ἀλβίων Albíon or Ἀλουΐων Alouíon (in Ptolemy's writings in Greek), later as Albion in Latin documents. Historically, the term refers to Britain as a whole and is ultimately based on the Indo-European root for "white".[1] It later came to be used by Gaelic speakers in the form of Alba
>>56441025
>Not true, the north east doesn't even have many Gaelic place names.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic
>By 900 Pictish appears to have become extinct, completely replaced by Gaelic.[14] An exception might be made for the Northern Isles, however, where Pictish was more likely supplanted by Norse rather than by Gaelic. During the reign of Caustantín mac Áeda (900–943), outsiders began to refer to the region as the kingdom of Alba rather than the kingdom of the Picts, but we do not know whether this was because a new kingdom was established or Alba was simply a closer approximation of the Pictish name for the Picts. However, though the Pictish language did not disappear suddenly, a process of Gaelicisation (which may have begun generations earlier) was clearly underway during the reigns of Caustantín and his successors. By a certain point, probably during the 11th century, all the inhabitants of Alba had become fully Gaelicised Scots, and Pictish identity was forgotten.[15]
>Norse-Gaels settled Galloway only.
My point was not Norse-Gaels, I was arguing that Gaelic culture has historically subsumed other cultures, so saying they were from a different stock of people doesn't necessarily dispute the argument that Gaelic culture was dominant.
>>56442216
If Scotland was called Albion, you'd have a point. But you don't, instead, the Irish word is used.
>>56442278
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba
>The term first appears in classical texts as Ἀλβίων Albíon or Ἀλουΐων Alouíon (in Ptolemy's writings in Greek), later as Albion in Latin documents. Historically, the term refers to Britain as a whole and is ultimately based on the Indo-European root for "white".[1] It later came to be used by Gaelic speakers in the form of Alba
>>56442320
You're that retard who talks about how the Irish ruined Glasgow, aren't you?
Why are there so many Irish in this thread?
"We wuz Scottish kings n sheit"
Don't listen to unionist cucks. They are more likely to be pakis unemployed and rangers fans
>>56442542
Scotts were Irish, until they decided it's better not to be.
If you know what I mean.
scots and Irish are kin
Hand across the water
Destroy the Saxon
>>56442542
>Why are there so many Irish in this thread?
Because it's a thread about Irish people :)
>>56442592
Seems to me the independence cucks really have no clue that they are voting for a 1 party state that supports EU integration 100% and loves brown people and wants more.
Why do you want to ruin Scotland. It is a really nice place. It would be Sweden in just a few years with your government in charge.
Russia is also just waiting to come fish in your seas and drill or oil. With no armed forced and nukes you will be totally irrelevant.
>>56442656
Except that Scots are mostly Angles. Literally unless they have Mc or Mac in their name they are Angles. Denial.
>>56442690
Why do retards like you always think populist left-wing groups love the EU? You know Sinn Fein vote against the EU on everything, right? I don't even like SF, but the centre-right and centre parties are more pro-EU than them, they fucking hate the EU.
>Russia is also just waiting to come fish in your seas and drill or oil.
You poor fucks can't even sail into the Atlantic, it was a little stormy out so you had to sit in the Seine in your rust buckets before fucking off home.
The Polish should have exterminated you in the 1920s.
>>56442727
You need to stop listening to Nigel
>>56442690
As part of the U.K. There is shariah courts beheadings in the street shariah patrols....
>>56442841
Pretty Sure Merkel Jr. the fish lady FM is bent on flooding Scotland with as many Muslims as it can take. Might want to read up on the party policies and what they have to say about immigration.
Ignorance and independence seem to go together in Scotland.
>>56442762
I was in the Navy. You would be surprised where we sit and wait out storms while armed with ICBMs. Also we literally fly bombers within miles of Scotland every few months... Stay mad irrelevant Ireland. The total contribution of your shitty country to the world was what again?
>>56442999
>You would be surprised where we sit and wait out storms while armed with ICBM
Your submarines go on fire in routine maintenance, you can't bluff your way out of this one, fucko.
>The total contribution of your shitty country to the world was what again?
Being partners in the largest empire to ever exist.
>>56443114
You navy consists of some guys in a rowboat wearing waterwings. It's total undertaking to help ferry niggers to Italy form Libya.
What empire are you partner with the EU socialist empire? Surly you don't mean the UK where you were cannonfodder? Irrelevant and pathetic.
scots take the Northern English traditions and claim them as their own and then complain about how oppresed they are by the English.
Tartan is English
Bagpipes are English
Edinburgh is English
>>56441926
>>56441926
>Isn't sedition illegal in your "country"?
Is it legal in any?
We have increasing nationalist and anti-EU feelings now. Polish people just stopped to love the EU. Maybe polexit with some years.
>state controlled media
Not all of them, like in the UK :-)
>>56441217
It is common to derive the name Glasgow from the older Cumbric glas cau or a Middle Gaelic cognate, which would have meant green basin or green valley. The settlement probably had an earlier Cumbric name, Cathures; the modern name appears for the first time in the Gaelic period (1116), as Glasgu.
>>56443622
Forgot to mention that's from wiki
>>56443622
Cumbric is/was Brythonic (Welsh) not Gaelic (Irish).
>>56443487
>take the Northern English traditions and claim them as their own
Didn't take anything, you are the same people. Northumbia was most of Southern Scotland and N. England.
>>56444042
>you are the same people.
Go back to Mongolia.
>>56444042
Scots are Irish
>>56444072
Go back to Sythia or Egypt or wherever your ridiculous book of invasions claims you 92 IQ mongs are from.
Yes, but read it again - Cumbric is one of possibilities, not all.
>or a Middle Gaelic cognate
>or
It's proper own name (not "green valley" or sth) is said to first appear in Gaelic.
This >>56444180 was an answer to >>56443888
>>56444146
And most modern "Scots" do not descend from that tribe of "Irish" Scots. Try reading a book.
>>56444180
Its widly known.
Strathclyde - Ystrad Clud - a Brythonic word (the area Glasgow is in) is a Brythonic area historically.
>>56444363
Just a few other towns in old Strathclyde showing they are Brythonic not Gaelic:
Renfrew - comes from the Brythonic rhyn frwd meaning "point at the current";
Paisley - from the Brittonic word pasgill, "pasture", or more likely, passeleg, "basilica", (i.e. major church)
Greenock - Brythonic "Graenag", a gravelly or sandy place
Ayr - can be traced back to a Brythonic word meaning "watercourse"
etc.
>>56444552
Hell... William Wallace - Wallace means Welsh
The origins of the Wallace surname and its association with southwest Scotland are also far from certain, other than the name's being derived from the Old English wylisc (pronounced "wullish"), meaning "foreigner" or "Welshman". It is possible that all the Wallaces in the Clyde area were medieval immigrants from Wales, but as the term was also used for local Cumbric-speaking Strathclyde Welsh, it seems equally likely that the surname refers to people who were seen as being "Welsh" due to their Cumbric language
Modern Scots (other than west highlands and islands) = mosly* Anglo Brythonic.
*Unless they have a Gaelic derived surname
>>56439585
>>56440159
>>56440219
Scottish Gaelic was actually the majority language in Scotland for a significant period.
This graphic shows gaelic (in blue) extent in the 12th century.
>>56440448
This is so sad I can't even laugh at it.
>>56442025
It was called Caledonia by the Romans, though.
>>56445125
>>56440419
>>56445125
That would be the peak, after than Scots (Inglis) replaced it.
And before the expansion of norse-gaels, and vikings it was angle northummbians, brythonic cumbric, brythonic pictish in most of the populated area of what is now modern Scotland.
You have to rember that before the 12th century it was many separate kingdoms. The history of Scotland as it was settled originally was much smaller (see Dalriada).
Gaelic majority Scotland existed for only a few hundred years. Vs. more than 1000 for Ireland. Even then many people would have been speaking several languages.
>>56447531
Even the nobility and courts switched from Gaelic to French due to Norman influence making it fashionable in the 12th century.
>>56440353
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