Germany pls explain.
>>56385342
The french one is cute
>>56385342
French girl best girl
DELET
>>56385342
i wanna fuck the smug spaniard
>>56385342
Why is he black?
The average American is either white or a non-white Hispanic.
Germany is progressive my ass.
It explains which language is spoken in which country, glad I could help you
>>56385422
Then why does the French flag say French instea dof Arabic?
austrians speak deutsch because they're a non-country
>>56385433
kek
>>56385433
Because they speak french in france.
Kind of a no brainer but now you know.
If you have other questions just ask, my friend
>US instead of UK for English
>>56385342
>the representative for English is America and not England
Are they the most pathetic "country" in the world?
>>56385342
>>56385582
Brilliant, Franz.
>>56385529
>Because they speak french in france
this one speaks french too?
>>56385675
I can't tell from only seeing a picture
I think it's a fantastic idea.
>>56385410
What if he's white?
>er spricht englisch
more or less
>>56386156
>Charges battery
Guy's electric
>>56386156
>Gamboa
He's a non-white Hispanic
>>56386301
>>56386156
>"white" in America
>>56385342
THE NAMES OF LANGUAGES ARE SPELT UPPERCASE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHAT KIND OF SUBHUMAN PIECE OF FILTH MADE THIS
>>56385494
>be italian nation
>get blown out by lybians with muskets
>get blown out by tyrolian volunteers with blunderbusses and carinthian elemtary schoolers
>get blown out by niggers with sticks
>get blown out by 8 french dudes trying to find a white flag
>get blown out by disorganized yugos
>get blown out by greek sheep herders
>get blown out by sunburnt chavs
>get blown out by frozen slavs
>get blown out by english biplanes
>get blown out by 18th century coastal batteries
>get blown out by American raw recruits
>get blown out by 20 German Paratroopers and your entire country occupied by 5 more
>declear yourself victor
>have the audacity to compose a national anthem
>the italian nation
He looks like ThatGuyT.
Also they depict us as black because blacks (specifically African Americans, didn't want to use that term because I knew people would call me an SJW but in this instance I really do mean African Americans) are unique in terms of outward appearance. You couldn't depict a White American without it looking like a generic German/Brit/Irishman who is fat and wears sunglasses. They want to depict someone who looks "American", and an urban nig just happens to fit the bill.
>>56387383
>You couldn't depict a White American without it looking like a generic German/Brit/Irishman
>he thinks americans are germanic or even white
wew lad
>>56385582
HOL UP
![thomas-anders-thomas-anders-attends-a-press_3587275[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wuvWteH.jpg "thomas-anders-thomas-anders-attends-a-press_3587275[1].jpg")
>>56387406
average "white" germanic
>>56387406
I said White American you nonce. Most Americans are mixed like me.
Would you fug Spain or France guys?
Spain here.
>>56387529
>White American
Logical Fallacy
explain, europe
>>56387573
>greece
>most trustworthy
>still habnt baid debts
>>56387561
Fug off Kevin. Americans are mostly German diaspora, so if they're not white, we ain't neither
>>56387612
t.Amerikaner auf Urlaub
>>56387573
>Poland calling us trustworthy
kek
KEK
>>56385342
>the mexican is whiter than the american
>>56385342
The Danish don't speak Danish though, only like 4 people can still actually speak Danish
>>56387622
Read up on Wikipedia, Jason-Ingwer. Also, visit the Midwest or Pennsylvania or something, people are very white over there.
und jetzt häng dich weg, du unterschichtkind
>>56385342
>a non white country (america) is the most powerful one in the world
>>56387648
>ich bin ein besatzerhahnrei, wollt ihr wissen, was das ist?
>>56387662
When will we join forces and march to war against (and destroy) america and china, my white friend?
>>56387706
>german australian alliance
i like where this is going lad
![4782170-3x2-940x627[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5AMEixL.jpg "4782170-3x2-940x627[1].jpg")
>>56387662
wagga blagga
>>56387640
>A dumb leaf can't read
>>56387676
>nennt mich Hahnrei
>Anti-Amerikanismus
KEK
Schonmal den durchschnittlichen Anti-TTIP-Protester gesehen?
>>56387573
>Italy
>Least trustworthy: Italy
>>56387622
He's right you know. I'm lazy right now (part Italian) so I won't go find the picture but the largest ethnic background in probably 80% of American counties (kind of like Regierungsbezirk) is German, followed by Irish and then Italian.
>>56385410
He looks like a hispanic imo.
>>56387632
We trust you to be reliably untrustworthy
>>56387157
>Austria THIS mad they're meme empire went up in flames
Komm hoam
>>56387812
Are they really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Americans
>However, demographers regard this as a serious undercount, as the index of inconsistency is high, and many, if not most, people from English stock have a tendency (since the introduction of a new 'American' category in the 2000 census) to identify as simply Americans[6][7][8][9] or if of mixed European ancestry, identify with a more recent and differentiated ethnic group.[10] In the 1980 United States Census, over 49 million (49,598,035) Americans claimed English ancestry, at the time around 26.34% of the total population and largest reported group which, even today, would make them the largest ethnic group in the United States.[11][12] Eight out of the ten most common surnames in the United States are of English origin or having possible mixed British Isles heritage, the other two being of Spanish origin.
Country map showed mostly rural counties being German. Perhaps a shitton of our counties are German, but the major urban counties are English, Irish, etc. I personally don't know very many WASPs, most Americans are just a mixture of many ethnicities and will call themselves Americans to simplify it and avoid Euros getting triggered by our impurity. Still think it's stupid to include an "American" ethnicity on the census, but whatever.
I had this one to learn english
>>56388037
Meant to reply to >>56387937
>>56388037
His point was the disappearance of English-Americans from the census is due to the introduction of the American option, German-Americans are just as mixed as all the other x-americans and are not in actuality the largest ethnic group, that still belongs to the English Americans
>>56387590
Mexico is 99% white then.
>>56388524
English-americans and German-Americans are equally mixed though. German was, prior to WW1 at least, the most prevalent foreign language,
Either way it doesn't matter because both groups identify as simply American and are not as MUH HERITAGE as Irish or Eyetalians
>>56385675
Yeah.
Seriously, yes.
>>56387157
>Austria being THIS mad
It must be hard to lose so much clay to us after all those shameful displays, doesn't it?
>>56388045
>ooga booga gib cake
>>56388045
>cuckolding for kids
>>56387573
of COURSE the greeks name themselves most trustworthy, literally nobody else would. god i hate them, they're basically Gypsy:the nation. pay your fucking debts
>>56387157
>literally a century after ww1
>still mad
ayy
>>56385342
America isn't white and the majority of posters from Canada and the USA are chinks, shitskins, Slavs or niggers.
>>56392222
ok Muhammad
>>56392279
Epic mudslim joke, but it gets boring by time. Both of us know that America isn't white anymore.
>>56385342
>Be Amerikan
>Be Blacked
Amerika, Jah.
>>56385342
I think America and France should be replaced.
>>56387573
>most trustworthy
>Germany
>least trustworthy
>Germany
Poland are you ok
>>56385675
Yes, muslims in france speak french.
Even muslims in morocco and tunisia speak french.
>>56392422
Even more so, Maghrebis are considered cucks in the arab world because they can't speak proper Arab, their is riddled with French
>>56392375
i can't wait till Trump becomes president and pulls our naval fleet out of the south china sea.BTFO by china i hope
>>56385433
People from north Africa speak french.
>>56385342
>America
>white
>>56393534
The best part is that they actually believe that.
At this point we should just take every non-White and every non-White supporter, feminist, lgbt retard, leave them in America and build a wall around it.
>>56393867
There isn't enough gas in your plan for it to be truely German
>>56393867
You want to move to America that bad?
i want to see germans idea of russians
>>56393921
Hilarious neder. All of your druggies will be sent there as well by the way, such behaviour is degenerate.
>>56393890
They will kill each other soon enough, no need to waste gas on those rats.
>>56393964
>>56387830
lol no
>>56394021
>sPain(in the ass)
>White
>>56394101
Neither are Slavs.
>>56394180
I don't need a syrian to give me a lesson on whiteness :^)
>>56394001
>Nopotugal
>>56387157
>Getting mad at based Italy
Go for a walk son you're in way too deep
>>56394255
You can read more about it in books.
>>56385342
That Austrian guy tho <3
>>56394358
Since when can you read Mein Kampf? They made a translation in Arabic?
>>56394255
Problems exist to be Adressed.
Problems are Adressed to get solved.
>>56385342
The fun part is that the Californian guy has the smallest lipps I have ever seen under such a massive nose.
>>56387573
>most arrogant: France
>less arrogant: France
>>56392380
KEK
>>56385410
what's your problem with black men José?
>>56394404
nice
>>56394404
>Slavshit "banter"
>>56394567
Ohhh please, don't get on your high horse, you used nazi theories to back your point, that's the best and most original banyer I have ever heard
>>56387874
Oh come on. We did pretty much everything to help you. And we still do.
It's not a cheap move that we did when we sided with you in the matter of Russia, lately.
Not like I think Poles will ever be able to trust any country, ever.
>>56385342
fixed to reflect reality
>>56386301
top kek
>>56387157
>be italy
>get rekted by steppefuckers
>>56387157
>>56386469
THE BEST
THE BEST
DELET
DELET
DELET
DELET
DELET
DELET
REEEEEEEEE
>>56385342
>französisch
wow, it sounds like a disease.
>>56385397
I'm with this guy
>>56387573
>Most Compassionate
lel
>>56387573
We're being accused of "moral imperialism" and "emotional choices" while at the same time we're being seen as least compassionate.
That's proof Germany really is Europe's indispensable lead nation. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't, just America is on the world stage.
>>56387157
Ja tell 'em!
>>56386351
Giving a black a Hispanic name does not make it Hispanic
>>56396961
government =/= people
your government is acting irrationaly from a self-interest point of view, that doesn't mean the average german is like that.
In my anedoctal experience, germans in germany are arrogant as fuck and very unwilling to help at all. It might have been a regional thing (I spent most time close to the dutch border), but still, not even spaniards are that bad hosts and they can't speak english for shit.
>>56387157
>get blown out by 8 french dudes trying to find a white flag
>mfw it's true
>>56397776
Los portugueses estáis obsesionados con España. ¿Complejo de inferioridad?
>>56397776
>your government is acting irrationaly from a self-interest point of view
No, our government is acting rationally from a self-interest point of view. Like every other government on earth.
>>56388744
>>56392422
>>56392598
ah, then it's confirmed what >>56385529 said
that settles it
>>56399972
how is shitting on your plate something rationally good? having more votes doesn't justify the economical and social damage
>>56400196
Try a strategic analysis and you'll see that not doing what Merkel did would have been far worse for Germany.
>>56385342
>implying germans are true racists and talk themselves that for some reason.
>>56385342
French one looks like my murderfu, Amanda Knox.
>>56393225
You're thinking of west Africa. People from North Africa primarily speak Arabic.
>>56400344
Mass importing impoverished turd worlders only helps the ultra rich though by lowering wages, increased consumption and property prices
The shortest end of the stick goes to the middle and lower middle class (either higher taxes to aliment all those "new consumers" or less tax going to other services that benefit all like infrastructure)
And no, Aufstocker don't "pay our pensions"
>>56402059
I said a strategic analysis, not a communist/mercantilist rant.
>>56402246
Then enlighten me on the strategic edge this whole "move" has brought us, other than "more population = better"
>>56387573
>Greece
I remember that my english schoolbook had this characters and one of them was a british punk that was madly in love with a nigress
>>56394404
>not turkish
>>56385410
Typical American. Gives bants but can't take it for shit!
Because in your culture every German is a lederhosen wearing Bavaria.
Now it's our turn! Suck it up Jaden.
>>56385342
everything looks alight to me. perfectly accurate.
>>56387157
>still ass annihilated a century after his shitty empire got obliterated by italy of all the countries
>>56397776
>your government is acting irrationaly from a self-interest point of view
When it came to Greece, it was a good thing.
>that doesn't mean the average german is like that.
Actually it does. I used to think like this too, until I got a job at PR. The Bundestag is actually a good representation of the people and society 3 years ago.
>>56402320
Since a couple of years ago Germany advanced to being Europe's most important and most powerful nation. This is due to a combination of size, economy and geography. Germany is the central power and therefore it is up to Germany to hold Europe together. It is also true that Germany profited enormously from the EU, both politically and economically, and it's thus not surprising that the rationale in Berlin is and always was to do everything in its power to not letting the EU break apart.
A quick look into the history books makes clear that the EU is the best guarantor for peace in Europe. Especially the wars of the 20th century were desastrous for Germany. So what was Germany's goal last summer?
1) Prevent national border regimes and thus the beginning of the end of Schengen and ultimately the end of the EU.
2) Prevent a congestion of refugees on the Balkans which would lead to the breakdown of Balkan states.
3) Prevent a situation which makes Germany look like it's responsible for 1+2 out of national egoism.
This had nothing to do with sentimentalism. Don't confuse the welcome-culture of German civil society with the strategic goals of the German government. It's clear that Germany is especially vulnerable to the Nazi-card being played by other Europeans. We've seen this during the Euro crisis. But the picture of German civility was just a nice extra, not a plan by Berlin.
>>56402320
So Germany bought time by taking in refugees in order to find a European solution, i.e. distributing them among the member states and eliminating the reason for their flight. For this Merkel used Germany as kind of a spillover basin to take pressure off the vulnerable European periphery and the Balkans. It was clear that this would also take away some of the pressure of those countries to work towards a European solution. Yet Germany still decided to buy time by investing space - a common strategic element. One might ponder the question if it would have been better to let more pressure build up in the Balkans to have a more favorable negotiating position. Apparently, Berlin saw the risk of a recurrence of the ethnic and religious wars of the 90s as too high to wager with.
The way to a European solution proved harder as anticipated. But it was also clear that Berlin would have to deal with changing alliances in the matter. That's just business as usual in politics. Sweden and Austria switched sides over time due to the stubbornness of the Balkan and Visegrad nations.
Of course this doesn't mean that Berlin's worst fear won't come true still. But one can imagine very easily how the same nations who now barricade themselves behind nationalisms would have accused Germany of causing exactly that by not acting to ease the pressure on those nations, of being responsible for a domino effect by staying inactive.
>>56402320
Initial estimates stated that just the direct costs of abandoning Schengen (i.e. just paying the police officers and the necessary infrastructure) amount to €10bn annually. The economic cost of breaking modern multinational just-in-time production lines with border controls and a consequential return to the age of protectionism in Europe would be many times the direct cost. It was therefore clear from very early on that taking in refugees, housing, feeding and educating them, is a much cheaper solution and the one more supportive of the EU.
Whether it will work out in the end only time can tell. But those who hide behind nationalisms and criticise Berlin now only try to appear as innocent once the EU eventually breaks apart, even though it's very clear that they contributed most to the centrifugal forces. They'll also find themselves in a much worse position than now. If the money flows cease they will feel the full power of their weaknesses. It's a naive illusion to try to return to an idea of sovereignty that belongs in the 19th century. The complexity of the modern globalized world has fragmented sovereignty long ago which leads to the feeling of powerlessness among the affected. But a return to nationalism won't solve their problems. Instead it would lead to a massive pauperisation of those weak states with a huge brain drain, as can be seen currently in those Balkans states that are outside the EU. Poland alone receives net contributions from the EU that are larger than their entire defence budget. That should make one think twice in the time of an increasingly bellicose Russia.
A breaking apart of the Balkans into war again would have lead to even more refugees btw. and just think of how it would have made Germany look.
>>56385342
I took German 2 years and have done the whole duolingo tree but I still cannot pronounce the Sprechen verb and its conjugates hahahahahhahaha I fucking suck
>>56385582
AYO
>>56408190
>>56408266
>>56408224
Your analysis didn't account in the social problems mass amounts of refugees bring with them. Increase in petty crime, violence, erosion of social cohesion and increased "white flight" away from the rapefugee housing project areas are general occurences.
>>56408266
>The complexity of the modern globalized world has fragmented sovereignty long ago which leads to the feeling of powerlessness among the affected. But a return to nationalism won't solve their problems.
Globalization doesn't have to equal replacing the natives with angry, Europe-hating muslim men.
BUT WE WUZ GERMANZ N SHIT
>>56408224
>The way to a European solution proved harder as anticipated.
Aussies solved their own illegal immigrant boat crisis by not allowing them inside their borders :^)
>>56409025
It's only a temporary solution. In the worst case Greece will just break down. Then there's no possibility of returning the refugees to Greece and the problem will slowly work its way through one Balkan state after the other and eventually to Austria.
>>56409154
I meant not allowing them inside EU borders at all. Aussies did it, why didn't we? Now we have a whole lot of undocumented people running rampant inside Schengen and most have malicious intent, be it either leeching off the welfare or actually committing violence in their god's name.
>>56394442
>Californian
>>56408829
The funny thing is that especially Bavaria has already addressed these problems with the right investments into social housing, education and work, yet the head of state of Bavaria prefers not to mention that too loudly, presumably because he sees political gain in playing to the populists. In any case Germany knows quite well what it did wrong with the Gastarbeiter in the 50s and 60s and is determined to really tackle the integration problem this time. There's perhaps no broader consensus among the political parties and civil society than this.
And civil society has actually been out front in adressing these problems, not just last summer but there's terrific work done by literally millions of voluntaries. And they and the local communal governments work hard towards making integration a success. A vocal minority in their echo chamber can't tarnish that impression.
>>56385342
we niggas now. how can u white bois even compete
>>56409645
>there's terrific work done by literally millions of voluntaries
>And they and the local communal governments work hard towards making integration a success
Doesn't really seem like it when I read yet another piece of news from Germany about some voluntary worker being raped in a refugee centre or people being harassed in and around the centres.
>>56409241
>a whole lot of undocumented people running rampant inside Schengen and most have malicious intent
So you state that nothing is known but claim knowledge about "intent". Do you just not see your contradiction or are you simply stupid?
>Aussies did it, why didn't we?
The Aussies don't have responsibility of smaller states within a supranational organization like Germany or France or Britain does. Besides, have you forgotten the public outcry last spring when more than a thousand refugees drowned in the Med within one week?
They can afford their nationalist approach because they live off huge commodity exports. They will have a very rude awakening once those are exhausted if they don't take measures on establishing a free trade zone in Asia in which there's the same kind of affirmative action for small states as there is in the EU. Against a giant like China they will stand no chance.
Europe can't rely on natural resources because it doesn't have any meaningful. It is bound to create its wealth via industrial prowess which requires free trade above all. (just take your own country's example how one important company like Nokia defines so much of your welfare) Without the EU, the large European nations like Germany, France and Britain will fall back in their standard of living to Argentinian or Brazilian levels. The smaller ones will just be fucked completely.
>>56409753
Then you're spending too much time on 4chan, apparently
>>56410330
>rapes aren't real when I ignore them
>>56410472
Fatalism and sarcast sneers are the prerogative of commenters and comedians. Politicians don't have that luxury they'll have to continue to work towards a solution without getting distracted by populist nonsense.
>>56410294
> Besides, have you forgotten the public outcry last spring when more than a thousand refugees drowned in the Med within one week?
This would've been prevented if EU had stated that no, you won't get inside EU border and made it clear that any and all vessels would be returned to Africa or Turkey if they are carrying illegal immigrants. Eventually the boat flow would've been stopped. What Germany's politicians created was a precedent for a massive flow of people into Europe that dwarf the migration period. Now more people are encouraged to make the journey because all those nice countries with welfare are going to take us in! If EU had adopted the Australian method, this wouldn't have happened, EU and Schengen by extension would still be seen as functional political entities and most of all we wouldn't be importing potential terrorism.
And for the record, it's very cynical to look at politics and EU wide decision making from completely big business perspective while completely ignoring the potential social problems these decisions create.
>>56410330
4chan is a best news source thanGerman or Swedish journalists. Without us, no one would have know what happened in Cologne.
>>56410598
But how are frequent rapes and the increasing medial reports of those populist? This is a real problem. Some immigrants do not seem to be willing to integrate into Western Culture.
I really like your points regardings the Balkans and taking the pressure off them, but I disagree with you on the above point.
>>56410294
Oh forgot to ask, what the fuck does free trade and policies favouring free trade have anything to do with massive influx of undocumented immigrants inside your trade zone?
>>56410618
>This would've been prevented if EU had stated that no, you won't get inside EU border
Lol you're naive to believe that people who risk their lives to come here would get discouraged by some guy saying no.
>and made it clear that any and all vessels would be returned to Africa or Turkey
No legal basis for that.
Besides how is towing boats back preventing some of them drowning in their initial way towards Europe? Your proposal didn't eliminate one single sea crossing. It even added more. This is reflex based stupidity, not planful policy.
>Eventually the boat flow would've been stopped.
Dream on, kiddo. If you're unable to put yourself for one moment in the shoes of people who are very well aware of the life threatening danger they're getting into, yet do it anyway, if you cannot comprehend what must go on in the minds of these people, then you simply cannot grasp the futility of your proposal. It's a non option.
>>56410618
>What Germany's politicians created was a precedent for a massive flow of people into Europe
As I said, Germany bought time with space. And each passing moment with the reluctant nations trying to stick to their futile nationalisms makes the problem worse until it all blows up in our faces. The loss of control will be nothing compared to what is going on now. The violence this will spark will be a big shame for a Europe that talks of universal human rights and claims to have learned the lessons of both world wars, should have learned the lessons of the fatal path to which nationalism leads. It will lead to a breakup of Balkan states and breakout of war on the Balkans as Europe's weakest and most unstable region. And this will make the current refugee situation look like a piece of cake.
>If EU had adopted the Australian method, this wouldn't have happened
You must be blind to not see that the so called Hot Spots are not that far away from the Australian detention centers. This is what Germany has been tirelessly working towards all the while the Balkans and Visegrad try to act as if the problem didn't exist. Orban went so far as to say that it's a German problem. He's got no clue how his policy might backfire. No clue at all, it seems.
>EU and Schengen by extension would still be seen as functional political entities
They still are and that's only thanks to Germany (and also Sweden an Austria). If Merkel hadn't done what she did, this would already be over and we'd be in much worse shit than we are now.
>>56411390
>Lol you're naive to believe that people who risk their lives to come here would get discouraged by some guy saying no.
Australia did the fucking same thing and it worked for them. Their flow of boats drastically reduced.
>>56411442
>nationalism is evil: the post
oh okay, didn't know I don't have the right to my own homeland anymore. Guess I'll go bow down to my new brown muslim overlord because nationalism kills!
>>56411390
Australia did it, and it worked.
Experience prove you wrong. Unwelcoming illegal save lives.
>>56410737
>But how are frequent rapes and the increasing medial reports of those populist? This is a real problem. Some immigrants do not seem to be willing to integrate into Western Culture.
Yes and if you listened to Merkel, you know they'll have no chance of staying here. When Merkel once said and recently repeated that Multikulti doesn't work, she doesn't oppose immigration at all but rather requires that immigrants assimilate instead of creating parallel societies. And she is determined to push through with this.
Populist is that extreme right wingers together with neonazis and St Petersburg based Russian trolls are spreading many rumors, both inflating the problem as well as tryin to attribute other problems to the refugees. For example: Cologne is, for some stupid reason, still seen as a consequence of the refugee influx, even though it is already clear that Syrians and Iraqis had virtually nothing to do with it. It was a problem created by Maghrebinians. And you can ask any Cologne residential. They'll tell you that this is a problem that has existed at the main train station for years. This is a failure of the Cologne police, not a consequence of the refugee crisis. The government has already moved towards declaring multiple Maghreb countries as safe countries, making deportation of the Cologne perpetrators possible.
>>56411753
French navy alone would've been more than sufficient to keep Mediterranean Sea empty of human traffickers.
>>56410919
Our wealth depends on free trade. The free trade in turn depends on the existence and working of the EU. If the EU breaks apart, free trade will be replaced by protectionism of the kind we had in Europe before the EU. A European solution for the refugee problem is paramount for the survival of the EU as such and thus in turn for free trade and hence our standard of living.
>>56412024
>A European solution for the refugee problem is paramount for the survival of the EU
I provided you with one:
>DO
>NOT
>LET
>BOATS
>CROSS
>INTO
>EU
>WATERS
That's it. Yet you shot it down because apparently it's too nationalistic.
>>56385369
>>56385378
like real life
>>56411945
What is lacking is a political will.
We can open another refugee camp in occidental sahara and relocate all the refugee here, it would make the real refugees happy and our country would survive another decade, but nooooo, we have to annihilate everything good in this world because some people are still not living in fear and in poverty.
>>56412080
To be frank, just shipping the one we catch inside our borders back to Lebanon would be enough.
No gibs.
No chance to stay for long.
No government sponsored jobs or houses.
No reason to come.
No reason to pay 40.000e to a passer.
>>56412612
Exactly, but what I don't understand why this German absolutely hated that idea.
>>56385410
The average Austrian ain't blonde and most certainly not blue-eyed either, but you don't read me bitching.
>>56411442
No.
We have 2 'walls' down there in our border and a short trip by boat to our coast. Still, very little immigrants manage to get here.
You know why is that? First, because nobody has gone out there with a speaker shouting "hey, you can come over here, we give you stuff and shit!!". And second, and most importantly, because our good relations with Morocco and then the moroccan police going really tough on them and doing things our security forces couldn't legally do. The 'wall' would be 100% inefective if not for the moroccan security forces cooperating with us with an iron fist on those immigrants.
Which btw, the EU, your "democracy and values, le human rights and nice-things loving EU" is absolutely delighted with the way things work at the other side of the fence with Morocco.
>>56412662
Merkel said human rights, we must be kind to the unfortunate and they are fleeing war.
I think she believe it herself.
Maybe she want to fill the demographic gap, but then she could have use the old way: temporary work visas, you must have found a job offer to apply, you are still going out after 5 or 10 years unless you meet certain conditions.
>automatically fit the need of the economy
>cost=0
>Criminality raise=0
>Actually gain money as the economy grow stronger and taxes are being paid.
>Only people liking Germany stay in Germany.
Then, maybe she is collecting PC point for a Nobel peace prize or a seat at the UN.
>>56412825
The deal with Turkey will make them think they can get 3 billions a year and free European passports if they join the racket.
>>56411547
>Australia did the fucking same thing and it worked for them. Their flow of boats drastically reduced.
What Australia does is in many cases a violation of international law and a violation of basic human rights. Besides, I already told you that the policies pursued by the German government as a European solution aren't that much different from what Australia is doing. Yet still many other European governments show the same ignorance and emotionality as you do now.
>oh okay, didn't know I don't have the right to my own homeland anymore.
You have a right to be smarter than your ancestors. Europeans of all people should know the dangers of exaggerated nationalism.
>>56411753
So you didn't even read what I wrote. Sorry but then it's not worth having a discussion with you.
>>56412080
>That's it. Yet you shot it down because apparently it's too nationalistic.
Then reread what I wrote. I admit it's wordy. But apparently it's necessary for you to read it again, as it is apparent that you won't acknowledge my reply and just play stubborn child. That's not enough for a argumentative discussion.
>>56413127
>You have a right to be smarter than your ancestors. Europeans of all people should know the dangers of exaggerated nationalism.
Oh okay, I sure as hell didn't expect to get branded a nazi far right extremist for disagreeing with importing people who hate me and my world view.
Why don't you explain why you consider my right to my homeland "exaggerated nationalism" and why is it dangerous? Are you implying Finns might start a war out of nationalism?
>>56413127
>What Australia does is in many cases a violation of international law and a violation of basic human rights
Yup. Exactly what we must do if we don't want to live in Somalia.
> already told you that the policies pursued by the German government as a European solution aren't that much different from what Australia is doing
Australia is actually patroling the water and ship them all to a refugee camp iwhere they are housed, fed, cleaned and taken care.
EU is actually patrolling the water and the one we caught are escorted to the ground where they are free to roam to go to the European country of their choice to request an asylum status and eventually become a citizen. Meanwhile, they get pic related.
>>56413336
>>56413185
Is this the only argument you have? You must not being paid a lot.
>>56412825
Sorry, can't see any reference to the post you answered to.
>>56413520
You can only work with what is given by the other side of the discussion. And that was close to nil.
>>56412734
this desu
Why do so many animes make Americans white, blonde, and blue-eyed when they're such a small percentage of the population?
Even black people are a small percentage compared to mexishits and white fuccbois.
>>56413449
Your exaggerations, hyperboles and emotionality contributes nothing to the discussion.
>>56413449
Slippery slope logical fallacy. You must not eat one spoon of cake because eating ten cakes a day make you fat.
>>56413676
Claiming victory does not give you victory. We gave you a to legit answer and you cherrypicked the bad ones.
>>56413733
I just want you to explain why my "exaggerated nationalism" is wrong: I don't exactly see anything wrong with defending Finnish interests on Finnish soil. That's exatly why there's a Finnish nation state in the first place.
>>56413733
You are the one making reference to full scale high intensity war including the two world war for just wanting laws to be respected and our social model to be maintained.
You are not on Reddit here, your shit won't work.
>>56413458
>Yup. Exactly what we must do if we don't want to live in Somalia.
We have to abandon human right to protect human rights? That remids me of US soldiers during the Vietnam War: "we had to destroy the village in order to protect it"
>Australia is actually patroling the water and ship them all to a refugee camp iwhere they are housed, fed, cleaned and taken care.
Germany has organized a joint maritime mission in the Aegean all the while the Balkan and Visegrad nations have been twiddling their thumbs and undermining Europe's negotiating position with Turkey. Germany is trying to push further with the maritime mission to send refugees found in those waters back to Turkish soil. What do Balkan and Visegrad nations do? Oh yes, babbling against Germany, so that Turkey can drive up the price for its cooperation. The naivety of the nationalists is astounding.
>>56413806
Claiming to have contributed to the discussion does not mean actually having contributed either. A "legit answer" is certainly not one that makes clear that one hasn't read what was written.
>>56413903
And you want to claim these wars didn't happen? Or that they had nothing to do with nationalism?
>>56409645
> and is determined to really tackle the integration problem this time
Bollocks. As someone who actually works with refugees, let me tell you the effort spent on actually integrating people is minimal at best.
>>56414218
>We have to abandon human right to protect human rights?
Protecting human rights =/= importing the problem into Europe. What you are trying to do is to cure the symptom (refugee influx) by ideological babble about spreading them all over the Europe yet you ignore the illness (Syria and various Sub-Saharan conflicts). Making Mediterranean no-go zone for human traffickers would've rectified these problems long ago. Sometimes being selfish is the best route to take, even if it would make EU look "bad".
>>56414218
>Germany is trying to push further with the maritime mission to send refugees found in those waters back to Turkish soil.
lol
>>56413752
slippery slope is not a fallacy you retard
>more propaganda saying whites have no place in America
Honestly, this country is going to be South Africa tier in the next 20 years
>>56413841
Granted. And I just tried to explain why a European solution is in the interest of EU nations. So there's no contratiction between seeing national self-interest and acting on a European level. But this is exactly not what the nationalists that I criticised have done. Instead they have shut themselves in and are working against a European solution. This will backfire.
>>56414415
Your facebook echo chamber didn't deliver the news to you?
>>56414398
As someone who works with refugees, let me tell you there's a lot of effort. But there are huge differences between individual institutions. I know of exceptionally good examples as well as exceptional failures. Maybe you work for an underachiever institution.
>>56414218
We have to abandon the recent interpretation of human right to keep the only part of the world who care about the real human rights.
Entering any country and having free house, food and healthcare is NOT an human right. It never was an human right. Merkel told you it is one, but show me ONE source from 50 years ago who said an human right to emigrate where you want and to b taken care of for free.
>undermining Europe's negotiating position with Turkey.
Europe is not negotiating with Tukrey. Turkey is asking for tons of shit r they send more """"refugees"""" our way. We give them 3 more billions, 75 millions visas and in exchange, they send us only one refugee per refugee we send them. Do you call that the fruit of a negotiation? Your navy is trying to keep the people on the sinking boat alive so it reduce the risk there is to come, increasing the benefit/cost ratio there is for them to come, resulting in more people coming and more people dying. It is the Watt law. The balkanink nations know what happen in a country full of ethnic, cultural and religious dissensions and they stockpile food and weapons. You should take notes.
>>56414512
>Die in der Ägäis stationierten Boote der Bundespolizei bringen dort aufgegriffene Flüchtlinge auftragsgemäß nach Griechenland.
>Im Rahmen des Einsatzes der europäischen Grenzschutzagentur Frontex in der Ägäis soll die Bundespolizei keine Flüchtlinge von Griechenland in die Türkei zurückbringen. Die beiden deutschen Bundespolizei-Streifenboote "Uckermark" und "Börde" hätten eine entsprechende Anweisung erhalten, berichtete der "Spiegel" am Samstag.
http://www.nnn.de/deutschland-welt/newsticker/ministerium-polizei-in-aegaeis-bringt-fluechtlinge-nach-griechenland-id12986996.html
http://www.wochenblatt.de/nachrichten/welt/Spiegel-Bundespolizei-soll-keine-Fluechtlinge-in-die-Tuerkei-zurueckbringen;art29,357553
Do you mean this faggot?
>>56414354
I wll trade a refugee crisis for a world war anytime of the day.
We can survive the shelling and the bombing. We can rebuild. e can survive 10% of our population being killed. We will make more babies.
We survive a demographic shift. They will outbread us.
Nationalism cause wars. Anti nationalism cause wars AND the complete destruction of civilizations. Don't think you or Sweden, or even UK can get away with a intern conflict. This have to happen. When more people will believe in Sharia law than in the state law, the new majority will not give you peace.
>>56414621
>I know of exceptionally good examples as well as exceptional failures.
1 - 1 = 0
ebin quality integration going on there
>>56414468
>And I just tried to explain why a European solution is in the interest of EU nations.
And you just failed to explain why shipping them back is not a solution, but we have answered you that welcoming them will lead to the end of the EU.
>>56385342
Italian looks like Elliot Rogers
>>56414621
Tell us more about yourself, your refugees and your institution.
>>56414468
>Instead they have shut themselves in and are working against a European solution.
Maybe because it isn't a solution at all? It would just continue to give every migrant who claims to be a refugee and is able to reach the European shore to be able to stay permanently in Europe, which is inacceptable of course. In the long run the whole EU would have the same problems Germany, Sweden and Austria have now. The only solution is to stop the illegal influx of migrant altogether and for ever.
>that french girl
Igual que en uno de mis animés japoneses
>>56414401
>Protecting human rights =/= importing the problem into Europe.
And violating human right =/= protecting human rights
>What you are trying to do is to cure the symptom (refugee influx) by ideological babble about spreading them all over the Europe yet you ignore the illness (Syria and various Sub-Saharan conflicts).
It's getting repetitive when you don't read what I write. I already told you Merkel bought time by making Germany a spillover basing to take pressure off the Balkans and the vulnerable periphery. This time shall, of course, be used to solve the problem permanently. But the emotionality and naivety of those opposing a European solution is preventing that.
>Making Mediterranean no-go zone for human traffickers
If you got the silver bullet to eliminate a mafia, let's hear.
>Sometimes being selfish is the best route to take, even if it would make EU look "bad".
The stakes are much higher. It's not just about how it makes the EU look. It's about no less than the survival of the EU.
>>56414955
>The only solution is to stop the illegal influx of migrant altogether and for ever.
This solution is incomplete.
We have establish a severe selection on the people who can enter, say only the real doctors and engineers, AND to ship back the one who entered illegally. We can pay a random African country to take them back if needed. Israel is doing this and no one give a shit.
>>56414755
>Ein Sprecher des Berliner Ministeriums hatte am Montag noch mal deutlich gemacht, dass die die NATO-Schiffe Flüchtlinge nur an Bord nehmen, wenn sie in akuter Seenot sind. In diesem Fall würden die Menschen in die Türkei gebracht. Das internationale Seerecht sieht den Transport von Schiffbrüchigen in einen sicheren Hafen vor, ohne den näher zu spezifizieren.
http://augengeradeaus.net/2016/03/nato-beginnt-mit-ueberwachung-der-schleuserroute-in-der-aegaeis/
>>56415046
>This time shall, of course, be used to solve the problem permanently
And the solution is just letting people come in and claim asylum where ever the fuck they like when ever the fuck they feel like it? This does not solve the problem, it only shifts the effects to every nation in EU.
>>56414755
Du hast natürlich schön auf die falsche Mission abgestellt. Was Berlin für die Ägäis organisiert hat, ist keine Frontex-Mission, sondern eine NATO-Mission. Mach dir nichts draus. Kann passieren, Kleiner.
>>56415046
>Protecting human rights =/= importing the problem into Europe.
Hooo, in this case, it is okay. I tough you wanted to ship two millions shitbags a year in the EU. Yes, obviously we must support Human Rights everywhere we can. Human rights WE wrote. The REAL human rights. That are WRITTEN and NOT subject to interpretation.
> I already told you Merkel bought time by making Germany a spillover basing to take pressure off the Balkans and the vulnerable periphery. This time shall, of course, be used to solve the problem permanently. But the emotionality and naivety of those opposing a European solution is preventing that.
Merkel is permanantly settling them in Germany. You must be a fool to think she would welcome them for anything else. You know what? She did paid 5 billions for the camps in Turkey and Lebanon. This is how she reduced the pressure on the weak states in the Balkans.
Ho, and there is always a war somewhere, so it look like this crisis is not going to end anytime soon.
>If you got the silver bullet to eliminate a mafia, let's hear.
You patrol the waters and send all the captured boats back to Africa. Done. I solved it.
They have to pay thousand of Euros for each try, they will get tired of trying really soon.
>The stakes are much higher
Following your feels is the lowest route there is.
>>56415255
Und wieviele hat die NATO schon zurück gebracht?
>>56415046
>It's not just about how it makes the EU look. It's about no less than the survival of the EU.
Do you agree, yes or not, that the EU is not going to survive Merkel thinking the can force the other countries to accept autodestuctive policies?
>>56395553
>feels good man
>>56414635
>We have to abandon the recent interpretation of human right
What "interpretation"? Which part of "universal" and "all human beings" didn't you understand and do you need an interpretation for?
>Entering any country and having free house, food and healthcare is NOT an human right.
And nobody claims so. Again, hyperboles, exaggerations and emotionality contributes nothing to the discussion.
>Europe is not negotiating with Tukrey.
Read a newspaper every once in a while so you don't have to talk counterfactual nonsense.
>Turkey is asking for tons of shit r they send more """"refugees"""" our way. We give them 3 more billions, 75 millions visas and in exchange, they send us only one refugee per refugee we send them.
No deal has been finalized yet. But Turkey has, naturally, recognized the nationalists among Europeans who oppose a European solution. Thus Turkey can drive up the price. This is the fault of people like Orban, not Merkel. And this ignorance and naivety will backfire.
>>56415046
>I already told you Merkel bought time by making Germany a spillover basing to take pressure off the Balkans and the vulnerable periphery. This time shall, of course, be used to solve the problem permanently.
If they would have been stopped from entering Central Europe already in the summer, many wouldn't even have made the boat trip to Greece. Merkel's policy made it possible to reach Germany very quickly and they were made sure that they wouldn't be deported. That was a major pull factor for the migrants.
>>56414635
>Your navy is trying to keep the people on the sinking boat alive so it reduce the risk there is to come, increasing the benefit/cost ratio there is for them to come, resulting in more people coming and more people dying.
Helping people in distress at sea is a legal obligation for all nations. No "interpretation" of human rights can change that.
>The balkanink nations know what happen in a country full of ethnic, cultural and religious dissensions and they stockpile food and weapons. You should take notes.
You should really start to read what I wrote so you don't have to talk about things which I dealt with dozens of postings ago.
I explained that this powder keg which is the Balkans was one the if not the most important reason for Merkels decision last summer. If she hadn't done that we would be able to see that already. And the same guys who are playing "blame the Germans" now would have blamed Germany then for not having acted beforehand. And one thing is very clear. If this had happened or, since the problem isn't solved yet: if it happens, the current refugee crisis will look cute in comparision. If the Balkan explodes it won't be just a million per year fleeing. It will be several millions.
>>56415600
Du hast also auch Probleme mit dem Verständnis der Zeitform Futur? Must noch eine Menge Hausaufgaben machen, Kleiner.
>>56415921
>>56415921
You misunderstood the French gentleman. What he meant with the Balkan point was that Balkanites know what's it like to live in a "multicultural" country full of tension, violence and complete erosion of social cohesion so they're stockpiling shit.
>>56414819
>I wll trade a refugee crisis for a world war anytime of the day.
Then you are stupid beyond belief and any further discussion is actually worthless.
>We can survive the shelling and the bombing.
You're trying this hard to make yourself a fool?
>They will outbread us.
Funny how it's always Merkel who is depicted as having acted in irrational emotionality, when 4chan is a ragefest of virgins.
This is getting too stupid for my taste. Thank you and EOD.
>>56414831
ebin math skills. And so well founded statistics.
>>56415877
The DDHC that we wrote does not mention illegal immigration and free stuff. In fact, it support the necessity of the law.
>And nobody claims so. Again, hyperboles, exaggerations and emotionality contributes nothing to the discussion.
As long as we don't destroy our countries, I am ok with it. You forgot to tel us what your European solution is.
>Read a newspaper every once in a while so you don't have to talk counterfactual nonsense.
They tell us what they want and we give it to them. This is not a negotiation. I suppose it is our fault for not wanting them here.
>>56414955
>The only solution is to stop the illegal influx of migrant altogether and for ever.
Which is what Merkel and Steinmeier have repeated ad nauseam. But one can't listen very well if one is in a constant rage of emotionality and nationalism.
>>56415921
Welcoming them in your country and giving them free shit is not an obligation, by any law. We save them from dying is a thing, why don't we ship them back?
And stop trying to make me look like I am interpreting the DDHC, read it and you will see it allow us to kick them where we want. You are the one who add parts.
The willcomencultur is the only reason they are here in the first place, so yes, it is your fault. You deal with them now. Good luck with that.
I will be nice: If Germany collapse and if you are an European, I will let you escape the warzone and give you the friend room in my house. This is what nationalist do.
>>56415185
>And the solution is just letting people come in and claim asylum where ever the fuck they like when ever the fuck they feel like it?
You quote a sentence and then ask a question to which the answer was one sentence before which you cropped. This is getting really stupid. I'm not gonna repeat the thinking behind Merkel's decision from last summer for the umpteenth time. For once just read what I wrote.
>>56416213
Namecalling now. They don't give you a formation before assigning you to jobs?
Just so you know: the raising curve is due to immigration. More than 25% of the babies born in France are brown or black now.
>>56416526
You wrote nothing at all about the fucking solution. The solution Merkel is proposing is that the refugees are dsitributed evenly to EU countries, which is not a fucking solution at all.
>>56415968
Also momentan nur Wunschdenken.
>>56415877
>Thus Turkey can drive up the price.
Turkey is able to drive up the price because Merkel has kept the Balkan route open, making it very tempting for millions of migrants to make the journey. If it wasn't so fucking easy to get to Germany many wouldn't have tried this.
Also, it was naive for Merkel to believe in a "European solution" when it's clear that the other countries have no reason to want it. In politics you have to deal with realities instead of wishing the world to be different.
>>56416526
>I already told you Merkel bought time by making Germany a spillover basing to take pressure off the Balkans and the vulnerable periphery.
This is your solution? Buying some time while the problem grow worse? This is Greece level of politic.
>>56416526
that was a rhetoric question, dum-dum
>>56416589
In fact, the instant she force that shit, at least 5 countries pull out of the Union, and we can expect others to follow. According to our German poster, this should lead to a raise of nationalism in Europe and we know he absolutely don't want that. Even if we were in a parallel universe and we would accept that, it would only buy one or two years and still not solve the problem.
So, Germanbro, what is your European solution? You still didn't told us.
>>56416361
>Which is what Merkel and Steinmeier have repeated ad nauseam.
And yet their policies of granting people who travel from all over the world to Germany refugee status has made illegal immigration on this scale possible. Closing the Balkan route was the first step to take away the incentive for illegal immigration, yet the German government is vehemently against it. Actions speak louder than words.
>>56415895
It saved the Balkans from blowing up and bought approximately one year worth of time for finding a permanent solution, which can only be a European solution. It also thereby prevented a tenfold increase of the refugee problem. Where do you think the refugees of Balkan wars will go? To the detention centers that they themselves are so happy to advertise to Syrians and Iraqis. Or don't you think they will try to get to Austria, Germany, Sweden etc? Hint: pick up a history book and check!
If the same people remain stubborn enough, you'll see how the exact same problem will return. Only this time they'll not be saved by Germany. It's just incredibly short sighted of them and will backfire.
>>56416917
Xth time, what the fuck is this solution, because resettling massive amounts of people without actually plugging the migration routes up is just dumb, stupid, retarded and 10 other synonyms for fucking idiotic. It's like you're trying to save Titanic from sinking by using a pot to throw water back into the sea.
Today, we will learn the Human Rights.
>Preamble
>Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world...
Justice, freedom and peace are dependent of the respect of the laws. The preamble tell us to kick them where they belong.
>Art 1 All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
Note the notion of rights. We all have to respect them and they are the same for everyone, may you be a citizen or a stranger.
The article 1 tell us to kick them where they belong.
Want more?
>>56416917
>bought approximately one year worth of time for finding a permanent solution
Most of that time was spent trying to convince other countries to take in refugees, aka a non-solution that was never realistic to begin with. Closing the Balkan route was a matter of a few weeks, you don't need a year for it. It should have been done much earlier and would have saved us much money and trouble. Your thoughts that not letting everybody go to Germany, Swe and Austria would have caused a Balkan war is just grotesque.
>>56416917
Waitasecond. We must let them in because otherwise they will get in? This does not make any sense at all. We can just ship them to the fucking billion euros refugee camps we made just for them in Turkey and Lebanon.
>>56416110
I know. I understood that point. Which is why is was so important by Merkel to take the pressure off them. But of course this just buys time. It's not a permanent solution. For that you have to work on a European level and if the Balkan nations continue to pretend that the problem doesn't exist, it will blow up as it could have last summer had Germany not helped.
>>56417248
GODDAMN WHEN YOU WILL EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUCK YOUR SOLUTION IS WE HAVE OFFERED OURS NOW IT'S YOUR TIME TO REVEAL YOURS SO WE CAN SHIT ON IT LIKE YOU DID ON OURS
>>56417248
>you have to work on a European level
And this is exaclty what we support: all European country say no and ship them back.
Why don't you want this particular European solution?
>>56417345
He will just tell you that you didn't read it.
So, Germanbro, we admit that we failed to read it and politely request that you clearly state your solution another time.
>>56417355
but that's nationalistic and it's wrong and it's against human rights do you want nationalists to win??????
>>56416589
That's just part of the solution. And this includes not a single one of those refugees that Germany took in last year. There are many other aspects of the solution which the German government both proposed and actively worked towards. Sadly with little help by others. I explained the motivation behind the decision which was to buy time to work towards a solution which implies a solution doesn't exist yet. Was that so hard to comprehend?
>>56417442
Yes, this is what I want. We are the nation of the human rights, it is important for the sake of human rights that we stand in this world.
Why do we even negotiate with Turkey about sending refugees back? It should be an obligation to take back illegals and the EU should have enough economical weight to force Turkey to obey.
>>56417476
damn it must be so hard to speculate and come up with a solution to the crisis just for the sake of discussion
seems to me you're dodging it because it's just fucking shit and no one would actually back up the plan
>>56416605
>Also momentan nur Wunschdenken.
Ne Menge wird Wunschdenken bleiben, wenn die Blockadehaltung der anderen so weitergeht. Bloß geben die sich einer Illusion hin, wenn sie glauben mit Grenzzäunen eine dauerhafte Lösung gefunden zu haben.
>Turkey is able to drive up the price because Merkel has kept the Balkan route open
Nope, The strength of the Turkish negotiating position is European disunity.
>Also, it was naive for Merkel to believe in a "European solution" when it's clear that the other countries have no reason to want it.
I already explained that the rationale in Berlin is to try everything in its power to save the EU. It may very well be that Merkel's buying time will in the end not suffice to find a solution or save the EU. But 1. Germany will have tried everything and cannot be blamed for not having tried everything and 2. If the EU collapses it's precisely the Balkan nations who will suffer most. Which is why their behavior is so incredibly foolish.
>>56416742
Changes nothing. It's still not acknowledging what was written just before the quoted sentence.
>>56394331
>>56387157
Australia why are you arguing with yourself?
>>56417709
the sentence before the quoted segment does not talk about a solution, dum-dum
>>56417476
>to buy time
Again, how did that time we won according to you by letting in hundreds of thousand into Central Europe help us? What would have been so bad about sealing off the Balkan route in spring 2015 and THEN working towards a permanent solution, which is sending them back to Turkey (and other countries)?
>>56417476
>That's just part of the solution.
> There are many other aspects of the solution which the German government both proposed and actively worked towards.
>buy time to work towards a solution
Explain the other then, because it look like you are trying to stop a fire by putting gasoline everywhere. We really want to know the other part.
You bought some time, okay. It costed you 80 billions and thousand of rapes, a few murders and civil unrest all over the country, half your population live in fear, but you do have one more year than before. It was almost one year ago, so can you please reveal the other part of the plan because I think we are baneposting right now.
>a solution doesn't exist yet. Was that so hard to comprehend?
I don't know what to answer. You bought time at this price without knowing what to do with it? You have no idea how you can get out of this mess, do you? If it is the case, we can hep. The first step is to contain the problem, so it stop growing. The second step is to cut the cause of the problem. The third step is to cure the symptom of the problem.
So; first step: you hire half a million cops.
>>56415921
>If the Balkan explodes it won't be just a million per year fleeing. It will be several millions.
YES
YES
YES
PLEASE MAKE IT EXPLODE
I NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS PRISON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>56416869
>And yet their policies of granting people who travel from all over the world to Germany refugee status has made illegal immigration on this scale possible.
Don't kid yourself. There were already a quarter million in Germany by August. Everybody got surprised by the scale of migration. And it could have destroyed peace on the Balkans.
>Closing the Balkan route was the first step to take away the incentive for illegal immigration, yet the German government is vehemently against it. Actions speak louder than words.
This is just pushing the problem on Greece's shoulders. Once they collapse it goes to Macedonia. And so on and so on. If Europe doesn't find a way to solve the problem together you will witness a perfect domino effect that will inflame the whole Balkans and make our current problems look small by comparison.
