>>56210382
what canada is 0?
>>56210408
Just like Peru
>>56210408
This is purely for the father. A lot of countries have a system where there's a set amount of time for both parents and they can divide it up between them.
>>56210382
>south korea's fertility rate is very low.
>>56210514
so is Italy and Japan's
>Hire worker
>train her
>she decides to have a baby
>I'm expected to pay for her not working, hire a new worker to pick up the slack, train the new worker, then have her come back randomly and be overstaffed
>I have to pay for someone
>to not work for me
>paying someone
>to not work
Imagine if you took your car to a pay-by-hour mechanic and they decided to just take a 2 week break and charge you for the entire 2 weeks just because.
>>56210838
It is problem and many have commented why it is fucked up. But good grief the amount of hate you get from people "OPPRESSING THE POOR AND WEAK AGAIN". And the first maternal leave isn't really a problem, it's if you keep getting pregnant, you cannot even be fired.
>>56210918
I don't understand why the employer is obligated to pay someone for not working, or how anyone thinks that's acceptable.
I have no problem if they independently agree to it, but a government requiring employers to pay employees to not work just seems ridiculous.
I don't even own a business(I'm actually poor tbqh) and it seems fucked to me.
>>56210918
It's a necessary evil. We'd have even shittier birth rate if people would be intimidated to have kids because they'd get fired if they do have a kid.
>>56210838
It's a way to encourage birth.
People here like to meme with the 2,1 children per women in France, saying it's because of immigration and the likes, but the fact is people feel actually safe enough to have child, thanks to parenthood leave, a large network of daycare and a positive view from society towards nannies and leaving someone care for your child while you work.
The fact that society as a whole see it in a positive way is why the employer is oligated, it's one of his duty towards society.
Of course it's a whole combination of things and not only parental leave, otherwise Japan wouldn't have this fertility rate, but it definetely helps.
I do see your point, though.
>>56211042
Then why not have taxes pay for it instead of the employer?
Why is the burden put on the employer to pay someone to not work?
>>56210382
Korea and Japan that high? I thought they loved to work.
>>56210999
nice trips senpai
It's one of those things that's supposed to be worth it in the long run because we'll have well adjusted future generations. Not like anyone in the damn world gives a fuck about those though.
>>56210838
>paying someone
>to not work
Welcome to Spain.
>>56210838
Most employers can just choose not to hire young women, but you know maternity leave is probably one of the reasons why the pay gap that feminazis bitch about exists. I mean surely a bloke that isn't just going to randomly go off work for a year on full pay is worth more to an employer than a woman that will? Supply and demand and all that.
>>56211128
>Most employers can just choose not to hire young women
literally illegal in EU
>>56211063
Because the state pays for child allowance (monthly money no strings attached), day care, education, child's health and dental care to name a few not to mention the state paying for a mother or father to stay at home would be lower than their income from the job they got fired from for a having a kid. Laws protecting the parent also protects the parent's future ability to perform competitively in the job market. If you get fired every time you have a kid, you'd have hard time in today's economy.
>>56211104
>It's one of those things that's supposed to be worth it in the long run because we'll have well adjusted future generations.
but if we're using this argument then women should just leave the workforce?
>>56211083
>Korea and Japan that high? I thought they loved to work.
>love
>work
itt:
why companies left europe
>>56211242
Foreign companies are not leaving Europe and european industries are actually coming back.
>>56211195
well you don't openly admit it do you numbnuts, you conduct all the interviews as normal and hire the best qualified men, then fill up the mandatory amount of women employees with the best qualified middle aged women and lesbos (and sterile young women if you are privvy to that info kek)
>>56211276
europe has 2 companies in the top 50 tech companies by market value
>be a future parent
>boss informs you'll be let go because the kid will affect your ability to work
>you're now left with a kid you're supposed to clothe and feed with no income
great plan autismos!
>>56211297
have you considered being an adult and planning for things instead of expecting someone else to do it for you?
>>56211297
congratulations, you're a nigger
https://youtu.be/RBqjZ0KZCa0
>>56211235
I guess they are struggling to get men off the animie porn and have children with actual 3d girls, this seems like a decent incentive
>>56211195
It's illegal to reject them on that basis, but you always say she didn't qualify or something. It's always employer decision in the end.
there's no way I'd ever hire a woman if I owned a company
the sad part is, they did it to themselves. Hiring a woman is just a fucking landmine and we don't have 1/10th the bullshit '''progressive''' countries have
didn't the UK just make it so that women are able to take paid leave for menstrual reasons recently?
>>56211294
And you have a source for that.
>>56210838
Because it's way better system for women to wait in the end of their 30's when they are financially sound enough to have a baby and then either push out a retard or realize they can't become pregnant anymore. Fucking fantastic.
>>56211582
But why is that the employer's problem?
If your mechanic decided to have a baby while working on your car, you'd seriously be 100% OK paying for 18 weeks worth of service as mandated by finland maternal leave laws?
>>56211276
you guys have like zero companies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_revenue
In Russia maternity leave is paid by government from taxes.
>>56211619
Wait, what? Where did you get the idea that the company pays full salary on maternity leave? They pay something like 10% of her original salary and the rest is paid by government. Or atleast that's how it is here. Paternity leave is fully paid by the government, atleast I didn't get shit from my company.
>paternity leave
>bad
you guys didn't want the catchball and cycling with your dad when you were kids?
>>56211717
yes you're right there are are zero companies in Europe
>>56212084
but why should the government mandate that your employer has to pay you to go play with your kids?
you don't see this is as even a little bit ridiculous?
>>56211195
No, it's literally not. An employer hires whomever they want. There are no rules except the ones they set for themselves. Nobody is entitled to any job, you fucking millennial twat.
>>56211474
>didn't the UK just make it so that women are able to take paid leave for menstrual reasons recently?
Where the fuck do you plebs keep getting this absolute nonsense from?
>>56212114
even the EU was triggered by companies mass leaving
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/Technology/?doc=112060
>>56212114
There are still people who think that the key to success is ever greater social protections and more regulations. Some in the European Commission seem to think that if they’re not producing new regulations, they’re somehow not doing their job and that removing existing regulations is somehow an act of self-harm, while some in the European Parliament are tempted to gold-plate every piece of legislation. Let’s be clear. We don’t protect workers by piling on the regulations and directives to such an extent that they become unemployable. We have to maintain the flexibility for companies to grow and expand.
- David Cameron
>>56212251
"The United States is the only developed nation in the world without guaranteed, paid parental leave. A democratic, civilized society should guarantee these benefits for the working families and middle class of our country."
- Bernie Sanders
>>56212039
yeah the law only protects the employee from getting fired it doesn't mean the employer pays full wage
I get 7 weeks vacation... but I have to pay insane taxes... I cry every April.
>>56212084
>playing catchball with a baby
Not sure if you'd make a good dad senpai.
>>56210838
By giving women the right to have maternity leave but withholding the right of paternity leave to men, you're actually making women less competitive on the job market.
As strange as it sounds, giving men paternity leave promotes gender equality.
The measure is probably just there to promote having kids though.
