Are you Socially liberal or socially conservative? What is your position on same sex marriage, gun laws, abortion, immigration, drug legalization and other similar issues?
more liberal than conservative
>pro same sex marriage, pro abortion
>anti drugs, anti guns
>>55672975
pro same sex marriage, gun contol, choice, immigration, drug legalization
>>55673079
why are you anti drugs and anti guns?
>>55672975
>Gay marriage
Gay marriage is fine, I just don't like gay activists
>Gun laws
Fuck you, I like guns
>Abortion
I personally think that abortion is too acceptable but I don't agree with laws that ban it
>immigration
Lawful immigration is OK, there should be limits placed on the number allowed in
>Drug legalization
Not my problem
>>55673283
would you say most Americans are socially liberal and have similar views to yours, or social conservative?
I don't know, mixed. Gay marriage is fine, shag who you want just stop with the pride parades. I find abortion disgusting, would ban it with exceptions If it's a rape baby or if it will suffer from some illnesses, controlled immigration is fine, guns should be allowed but the laws to obtain one should be a bit stricter than in America
>>55673435
You literary have the second highest gun ownership per capita after America.
Don't care, it's trendy politics for an over represented demographic.
MUH 2ND AMENDMENT (training should be mandatory)
Legal, government paid if it's life threatening or rape.
Only good for brain draining and getting trained workers, otherwise fuck off if you're not spiritually American.
Legalize DUDE, but tax the shit out of it, so I don't have to hear another word about that stupid plant for braindead nignogs and vapid kids.
>>55673223
on one hand we are trying to tax heavier and heavier cigarettes because of >muh health policy
on the other hand we are pushing for drug legalization
>>55673223
I don't feel safe around people carrying weapons
>>55673656
You'd feel safer if you had a weapon, too :^)
>>55673418
A decent portion of people really oppose gay marriage and abortion but most people don't care.
Gun Control is split pretty evenly
Most people don't care about immigration so long as they aren't flooding across the border and they're coming across legally
Drug legalization is split between old people and millennials for the most part
Basically most people are socially liberal in the sense that they don't want the government interfering in their personal lives, but that's not exactly a unique position. The topics you asked about are just really contentious so it's not really a social conservative vs social liberal thing
>>55672975
Conservative
>same sex marriage
Against
>gun laws
Mixed feelings
>abortion
Against
>immigration
Should be controlled.
>drug legalization
Against.
>>55673656
but my question was why are YOU against drug legalization, not what your government does.
>Gay marriage
No, no purpose. I'd go as far as letting only hetero couples with children to be able to marry and have the state help them secure it and make the best of it. Any other contract between couples of any kind shouldn't have a special state intervention.
>Gun laws
Some restrictions, but law abiding citizens should be able to get them and use them for self defense without getting in the usual trouble.
>Abortion
Depends on how old is the embryo.
>immigration
Strongly limited and only for people who can be a definite improvement to the state. Ius sanguinis should be the only way to get citizenship, foreign women should not be allowed to have more children than the average Italian woman at risk of getting kicked out with their children.
Illegal immigration completely out of the question.
>Drug legalization
Weed should be fully legalized, stronger drugs maybe with stronger restrictions, it depends.
>>55673656
Legal drugs would be safer, HIV wouldn't spread so quicly with clean needles, overdoses less likely because you'd have constant concentrations etc.
Socially reddit. I'm pro everything that you have mentioned here.
Should I kill myself?
>>55672975
Socially liberal by normal standards.
There's literally nothing wrong with same sex marriage.
Gun laws are a touchy subject. Personally, I'd like them gone, but that's impossible to do, and any attempt to do so will be met with a massive influx of illegal guns, so I guess I support the status quo. (Except background checks.)
Don't have any issues with abortion either.
Immigration? I believe we need incredibly strict enforcement, but once they're here, as long as they don't commit any crimes, they should be allowed to stay.
I don't think drugs should be legalized.
>>55673855
Probably, but that brings up another subject: assisted suicide.
>>55673718
And this is why i've said many times than most Americans are libertarians, but unaware of it. I don't count the economic stance because that's not about conviction, that's about understanding. It takes explanation of how the economy and the market works to make people economically conservative. The ones that are economically liberal are just ignorant of how the economy works and the consequences of these policies, if they were to see the consequences clearly, they would change their mind, i believe. Libertarianism unlike other ''isms'' is the lack of ''ism''. It's what happens when you let people be free to do whatever they want provided they don't harm others.
>>55673776
if we legalize drugs there wil be misuses and deaths.
>>55673855
>Pro immigration
>Should you kill yourself
Depends on the level of immigration you're comfortable with
>>55673735
why to all of those.
>>55672975
>same sex marriage
Yes, but no adoption.
>gun laws
Ours currently work. Limited access for hunting, punishing hard people that use them against others for any reasons.
>abortion
Are there really people who consider making abortions illegal?
If so, institutionalize them.
>immigration
Limited for economic reasons. But this policy must also be accompanied with a no-intervention policy with regards to resources, aka no offensive oil wars, no outsourcing to third world.
>drug legalization
Better than having cartels run drugs.
Same goes for prostitution.
>>55673855
No, it means you're a libertarian. Welcome to the club, now all you need to do is educate yourself on basic economics and how the economy and the free market works.
>Marriage is all kinds of fucked up because of the government, that being said I find gays disgusting but who cares what they do
>Amendment II
>Non-issue, more sperm die than get fertilized, let the babies die
>Illegal immigrants are invaders that change the voter demographic and gene pool and should be deported, regardless of practicality
>Blaze it, legalization would destroy the drug trade
>>55673918
Are you for making it easier for people to come to America, or harder? Are you for more immigration or less?
>>55674079
I'm already an libertarian, but I'm ashamed to admit it.
>>55673985
but isn't that the individual's own responsibility? Its my own body, shouldn't i be allowed to take responsibility for my own actions? Alcohol is a lot more dangerous than many drugs, and it's not illegal, harming others is illegal, using alcohol is not. Shouldn't that be case with all drugs too?
>>55673993
I am for completely open borders. I will make my case some other day, im about to go to bed right now.
>>55673957
>most Americans are libertarians
Pretty much
>people are economically liberal because they don't understand
The Democrats frame it as people being greedy if they question welfare programs, the Republicans don't talk about the actual results because welfare benefits their donors. Most don't know how much welfare is to blame for the situation of the blacks in America because they don't have access to the information
That said, most people would still choose to continue the welfare programs even if they were told about the results because they don't want to seem like dicks. That doesn't mean welfare is the right thing to do though
>>55674236
Why would you be ashamed, you should feel superior to others, like i do.
>>55674319
>I'm for open borders
I would be too in a perfect world
Open borders wouldn't work under the current system though.
>same sex marriage
let em
>gun laws
my cold dead hands
>abortion
have at it
>immigration
speak English and pass a GED test and background check, sure come on in
>drug legalization
not my business what others choose to imbibe
>>55674364
thumbs up. Most people dont understand that good intentions does not equal good outcome, good decision equals good outcome. Often good intention leads to a bad outcome, if people understood the consequences of the welfare and their goody goody intentions, im sure they will change them, its the fact that they dont understand them and act on ''feelings'', because it feels soo good to vote for welfare, but in reality it produces a bad unwanted outcome. Anyway im going to bed. bye.
>>55672975
>SSM
don't care, do whatever
>gun laws
don't care, do whatever, just don't shoot me pls
>abortion
don't care, do whatever
>immigration
controls should be tightened, I don't give a fuck about Jose and Maria but there are some immigrants we need to watch
>drug legalization
don't care, do whatever, dude weed lamo
>>55672975
>same sex marriage
Yeah, why the fuck not?
>gun laws
Farmers and recreational shooters can keep some guns, everyone else no.
>abortion
Up to 24 weeks for whatever reason.
>immigration
Controlled, should be used for economic purposes. Official integration and multiculturalism policies.
>drug legalisation
Marijuana legalisation, everything else just decriminalised.
I'm pretty based though.
>>55674417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk8J9OGQH50
>>55674532
Sleep tight
>same sex marriage
No problem with that but please no more pride parade bs to enforce the stereotype. Also, no to adoptions until the child can consent to having 2 same sex parents
>gun laws
Ban them
>abortion
No problem with that but should not be abused...
>immigration
Controlled and for economic reasons, make sure they are able to speak english or french well enough and that they are willing to integrate (no to the whole niqab during the oath of citizenship for exemple)
>drug legalization
don't care, don't do them
>>55674245
>individual's own responsability
haha stop here, no that's stupid
If I were to support legalization of drugs, that would be after years and years of heavy sensibilisation on its risks
>>55672975
>Gay marriage
yes
>Gun laws
yes (no fully automatic), with a license (including for self defense; this is how it currently works here)
>Abortion
yes
>immigration
yes, encourage immigration of qualified people; help real war refugees, turn away poorfags with no skills
>Drug legalization
yes/evidence based (legalize/decriminalize weed/light drugs; probably no need for krokodil to be legal)
>>55674580
I can't the video right now, but my thinking is
>US elects to open its borders
>Mexicans flood across the border
>Mexicans begin to lower the wages of unskilled laborers, collapsing the lower middle class
>Lower class gets angry, elects a populist
>Populist rounds up all the Mexicans, ships them across the border
>Border closes, all immigration from Mexico is halted for at least thirty years
And we're back where we started, plus a good amount of civil unrest and a shit economy. If you're looking at the problem under the current system of states, open borders doesn't benefit anyone. Maybe at some point it won't be such a problem, but it is now
>>55672975
>Same sex marriage
Against
>Guns
Pro-gun
>Abortion
Against
>immigration
AGAINST
>drugs
Should be generally legal. Forbidding people from taking them doesnt really stop those who want to do it.
>>55674740
Aren't your gun laws pretty lax for Europe?
>>55674548
>Marijuana legalisation, everything else just decriminalised.
But decriminalisation is actually better, isnt it? It would mean no regulations.
Or am I wrong
>>55672975
>sex marriage
So long as the non-religious equivalent gives me the same i couldn't care less. Government shouldn't have its hand in it at all, though.
(faggot reporting in)
>gun laws
I want more liberal gun laws (as in liberty as in i want my guns)
>abortion
Choice
>immigration
Fuck off we're full
>drug legalization
Pro
>similar issues
Muh liberty
Muh stop regulating my life
>>55674955
Decriminalisation means it would not be illegal to use drugs but it would still be illegal to sell and produce drugs. Legalisation is legal to sell and produce but with strict regulations, which is how I think it should be.
>>55674740
>guns for self defence
Is this a major theme in Czechia like it is in America?
Socially liberal
Fiscally conservative
Anti gun
For stricter immigration controls
>>55672975
(theres gonna be banter up the ass for this but)
im a socialist soo
>gays
sure as long as they dont rub it in my face(pun intended)
>gun laws
in portugal the government is way to pushy and controlling wend it comes to guns so i think the should be loosen up a bit but like to US levels of gun law retardation
>abortion
sure but if a chick get more the 2 abortions for no reason(meaning she didn't get raped or the baby turns out to be deformed as fuck or dead)i would say heres a few condoms no more abortions for you
>drugs
yes but here the laws are already pretty loose about it so no complains there
>immigration
legal sure let them come, illegal well then o0r you prove yourself usefull and dont casue any trouble or you go back to the shithole where you came from until you come back with some papers
>>55674862
yes. i dont think you can get a gun just for "I wanna feel safe" in most of europe.
most people just use pistols afaik. hunters use hunting guns but that's it pretty much
>>55674862
no god no only in Switzerland
i do competitive shooting
i got a luger a glock 17 a cz .22 and a custom made .22 handgun
ruler number one i got to notify the police if i have to buy 1000 or more rounds seeing that i use atleast 300 per competition and like 500 at practice 1000 isnt mutch
2 my lincences are super regulated since here both the luger and the glock 17 are considerd military weapons so i cant have ammo near the weapons at all time they have to be locked in a case with a piece of plastic inside the barrel and out the open chamber and there must be a trigger lock at all time the cops can go check my guns at all time and i must let them if any of these rules are not followed its a giant fine and no more guns for me
there are more retarded law like these here not to mention n the lincences are expensive as fuck
>>55675379
I understand why people would want to take guns out of general circulation, but Christ I'd hate to live with European gun laws
>>55675379
still if you compare to places like germany? some countries dont allow you to get a gun at all, or the license is may issue (so basically depends if the clerk likes you)
>>55672975
>Same sex marriage
Doesn't bother me at all.
>Gun laws
Shall not be infringed
>Abortion
I don't like it, but I don't think it's the government's business either.
>Immigration
In desperate need of reform, but I believe that multiculturalism works in the USA.
>Drug legalization
Should happen. I hate the DEA more than anything.
>Similar issues
More freedom is always preferable to new laws. I will never try to vote to restrict freedom of personal choice.
>>55675530
i dot hate it
its sutch bullshit
ive allway wanted a german mauser i just do
to get it i had to get a hunters license that 2k just for the license plus i think it was like 1k a year plus i had to hunt big game to keep the rifle so that means joining a hunting club and go hunt boars that only exist in the fucking north
oh have i mention the gun laws for self defence arms listen up you are gonna laugh
the biggest caliber you can carrie (if your not military or police those gus can carry any thing up to 44magnum)is a fucking .32and that not the worst part it has to be a sub nose revolver no semi-autos to have a semi auto its has to be a 6.35 witch is literally the shittiest thing ive ever shot oh and to use you self defense gun you have to have a dam good reason like being a person that carries alot of assets like a banker
and you can only shot confirmed armed people this mean unless they pull a gun or a knife out on you its ilegal to use your gun
>mfw this thread
>>55675573
its total bullshit
the excuse ive heard for that is that the goverment is afraid people will use arms against police forces and other goverment force
so basically is a take the guns away from the people so they obey better
>>55672975
>Same sex marriage
Doesn't bother me.
>Gun laws
I wish we could own firearms for self defense, our weapon laws are incredibly strict.
>Abortion
I'm for it, sometimes it's better to give mercy than to bring a child into shitty circumstances they have no way out of.
>Immigration
Depends on the immigrants. Middle East are shit tier, I have no problems with East Asians though.
>Drug legalization
Weed yes, the rest no.
I don't even know what my views are, a mixture of both.
>>55675530
America is much more violent than most parts of Europe. Our police don't even carry guns.
Theres simply no need to allow the populace to all have pistols.(you can still get shotguns and rifles for hunting etc)
>>55673079
>anti guns
Triggered
>>55675043
yeah, i mean legalize weed and maybe other stuff and decriminalize most of it except maybe the worst shit;
regulation has to be done well, currently there is one company that is allowed to grow weed and sell it to people with cancer, etc. but its fucking expensive because the company is owned by some politician's friend whos just getting rich from the monopoly situation
>>55672975
>same sex marriage
just fucking let them have it so that they shut up.
>gun laws
i think that despite not being as "liberal" as us's gun law is, we're good. we need better self-defence, "king of castle" laws instead
>abortion
it should be up to the family physician to decide whether the abortion's allowed or not. if the girl was "just" drunk then whoops, better learn to stop partying
>immigration
nothing wrong with it as long as it's regulated. anyone who thinks past year's "immigration" was even fucking "ok" should just fucking end himself
>drug legalization
all drugs should be legal, as long as there are laws regarding the public health system which drug's aftermath is treated by public money
I would also ban homo/trans sexual propaganda from public media, but i have no issue about it happening in private owned stations
>>55675573
We have it okay, everything is legal but some are hard to get (explosives, full auto etc) and no limits on the number of brass you can have, but you can't store more than 20k (explosive danger). Bureaucracy is a bitch though, every gun has to be licensed except for black powder iirc
>>55676327
i once ended a bulglar's life with my black powder revolver
i literally only owned it for fun, never thought i'd actually use it
i don't think i've ever felt fucking better, the smoke, the shriek, the bloodshot. i'm glad i somehow got around it, as the guy had several knives on him and it worked in my favor since our law states you somehow can't really use a grade of weapon "above" what the assailant has to defend yourself. the judges are thankfully moving away from this so i guess the law itself will be changed
>>55676056
This is a key philosophical difference between Europeans and Americans that I think stems back to the founding of our nation through violent revolution.
Americans are largely distrustful of their government. They are worried often to the point of paranoia that the government is slipping/will slip into tyranny at any given moment, and they see giving up their gun rights as tantamount to betrayal of the spirit of the revolution.
It seems to me that this is not the way Europeans see their leadership, which I think leads to them being much more willing to give up personal responsibilities in exchange for government backed security (I.e. "We don't need guns because the police will protect us).
I could be way off base here, I would appreciate differing perspectives.
>>55676431
polish elites sold out our country at least three times through history so if there's an exception to the rule, it's we. whatever government we had for past 30 years of freedom, there always was a vocal group of distrust.
>Gay marriage
Leave it to the states
>Gun laws
Shall Not Be Infringed
>Abortion
Leave it to the states
>Immigration
Don't agree with le wall meme but we need a better system
>Drug legalization
Leave it to the states
>>55672975
Conservative and liberal are not opposites, please stop with this meme.
>>55676431
Our government is too much of a pussy to ever become a tyranny
>>55676521
I can see that. Are Polish gun laws in line with the rest of Europe or do you guys have a little more wiggle room?
>>55672975
don't care about marriage but one of my friends is Gay
I am pro-gun
for abortion (most people(incl. myself) shouldn't be able to breed anyways)
immigrants >>>/out/
don't care about drugs because it doesn't effect me
i don't know
>gay marriage
against. it's pretty pointless and i've heard enough about what kids raised in that environment have gone through
>gun laws
allow but restrict
>abortion
don't fund it - personally against but wouldn't ban it
>immigration
broad question. america has incredibly lax laws so we really need to fix things, but a country that desperately needed a workforce i'd encourage it from developed countries that would mix well into the existing community. what's happening in europe right now is a catastrophe
>drug legalization
depends. if you mean weed then okay i guess.
>>55676592
i'm not knowledgeable about how it is in rest of europe, but here you can even own an ak as long as you pass police and psychological tests, as well as pay enough fees.
in theory anyone can own a gun, but there are too many bureaucratic hoops to jump, as well as the cost of the entire circus
in practice, my family comes from backwater villages and they still keep german and russian rifles traded for booze and meat from ww2. i can't talk for whole region, but at least in my grandpa's village everyone takes care of their rifles and i hope im not traced as im 99% sure they're all unregistered
>>55672975
I really want to see this Australian integration program
>>55676406
I find it a bit disturbing how you enjoyed killing him. It'd just be sad to me, like having to put down a feral dog.
>>55676946
he literally had a belt of fucking knives
i have a wife and a 2 year old kid
i know it sounds "weird" to the nu-males, but when i shot him i felt the most manly i've ever felt.
>>55677015
>wife and offspring
Now I know why you're so fucked up.
>>55677120
:DDDDDDDD i love this meme
>>55677015
good on you
>>55677173
is this ironic? the fin already tipped me off a bit. though i guess an american would be the one to understand my situation.
