mem edition
>>54892803
Fresh oc for Ceo of Micked
>>54893147
is this that hunger games shite
>>54893210
crop that ifunny.co shit
Anime
never seen such a shocking abomination of a thread in my life
>>54893238
gallaibh OUT
>>54893271
clearly never been to /lat/
>>54893222
it is
>poor as shit
>apply for student grant
>family owns too much land to be considered poor
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>54893277
An bhfuil tu homogeanasach no dubh daoine?
>>54893210
nice rare 9gag newt, may I save it?
>>54893331
How many acres? You could move out of the family farm and receive the grant then I think if you're on jobseekers allowance, that is a load of bollox though.
>>54893331
>rich as fuck
>over the age of 24 so considered "independent"
>no income
>get maxed out federal grants plus state grants
>parents still pay for everything
T. Baldy Mc Donagh
t.
>>54893326
DELET
>>54893331
become a farmer or something
>>54893363
tá brón órm ach cad homogeanasach as béarla?
>>54893413
40.
>You could move out of the family farm
Problem is I don't have the money to do that, and even if I did I don't know anyone I could move in with.
>>54893490
You are sad? I asked you were you black or homosexual did Google translate not pick up on it?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1AeCG8eYgIH
rate
Tiocfaidh ár lá lads
>>54893539
tá brón orm means sorry you thick cunt
literally "there is sadness on me"
>>54893558
up da ra desu
>>54893490
>become a farmer
No money in it.
>>54893619
money isnt everything
im gonna live off the land one day i am
>>54893529
40s very low, who rejected your application? This is Ireland so I'd say ring around, maybe ask a solicitor enquire about it to a politician theres always a workaround lord knows they give back to education to any waster to just sit in a classroom and go to sleep these days
>>54893478
doesnt look bald
>>54893587
Bron means sorrow, sorrow is upon me
Fuck off with your Google translate you plastic cunt
>>54893539
the last thing we need is more boggers coming to dublin to study desu. No style and smelly.
You're better off on your farm
>>54893708
sorrow=sadness you dumbass
hello
>>54893758
alri
>>54893732
fuck off west brit
>>54893758
hello
have you taken the heh pill kiddo
>>54893732
Dublin's a kip would never dream of studying there, getting stabbed by a heroin dealer, galway/cork are a lot nicer
>>54893758
Dia dhuit
Conas ata tu?
>>54893732
why are people from capital cities always meanies?
>>54893823
galway city is full of liberal faggots i hear
san fransisco of ireland
>>54893798
I'm more of a consumer of the Nomad Pill, keed.
>make a vocaroo
>no one comments on it
a-alri
>>54893918
im slovborg pilled meself
>>54893798
>calling someone west brit while not even living in Ireland
>>54893823
Never been to Cork but Galway is has nightlife. Was there for a few days
>>54893841
We r d best
>>54893839
Ta me go maith
Agus tu fein?
>>54893841
urbanization increases mental disorders and aggression
>>54894028
Not to mention
>go to a hotel in Dublin
>get shot
>>54894003
>nightlife
reee normie
>>54894028
and being the biggest increases egocentrism
>>54894003
least im not a d*bliner
>>54894086
got an election leaflet from them only a few hours ago
wont be voting for any party as pro-immigration/multiculturalism as sinn fein though
>>54894219
Same but I really don't know who to vote for.
Every party is pro immigration as far as I know
>>54894219
What's your opinion of identity Ireland?
>>54894257
If you don't vote you're giving your vote to those who you oppose.
>>54894219
>>54894257
vote identity ireland if youre in cork north central (i think)
theyre inexperienced but based
>>54894257
>>54894219
Can't wait to take in 50,000 unvetted migrants so Ireland is Europe's posterboy
Irish politics is fucked, identity Ireland is run by thugs rest is civil war shite
>>54894333
l*bour technically isnt civil war is it?
>>54894313
I will vote but every one of them is pro immigration.
>>54894307
Identity Ireland doesn't stand here otherwise they would be my no1
Who #tookthesoup here?
>working for a multinational
>brit manager
>foreign coworkers
>9-5 office work
>Live in miserable generic estate in west dublin
>watch English premiership soccer just so I have something to talk about
>Spend generous salary in shitty English chain shops
>>54894377
yeah they need to get every eejit they can to run
i bet theyd be loved in roscommon or someplace
>>54894397
sounds shite
im not sure if id like brits less than yanks tb h. only met 2 or 3 in my life
>>54894333
The thing I don't get is that a lot of people I talk to complain about too much immigrants but all parties are pro immigration
>>54894397
The entire country has.
>>54894081
do you not go out at night?
>>54894446
not really no
What's ye're plans in life? I have a decent enough job, but I look at houses and stuff, and none of them that I'll ever be able to afford are worth living. It seems like nobody in our generation has a hope, the recession delayed us for years and now it's like you can't even get your foot in the door. I'm pushing 30 and I have nothing to show for it, when 10 years ago, I'd already be set up for life by now. How does anyone do it?
>>54894314
only old people vote identity ireland
>>54894494
so you are a racist without any social life?
>>54894495
ive posted this here before i think
1. become a sailor
2. sail on the main
3. go home boys home (clap clap)
4. learn irish in culchieville galway while working as a mechanic
5. buy some land
6. get married
7. live innawoods
>>54894506
only retards vote anything else
do they appear on the news much?
>>54894495
Emigrate? Ha but no wait for things to get better I suppose. Wealth is trickling upwards something's gotta break
>>54894446
FONC
>>54894495
don't buy a fucking house! have you learned nothing??
>>54894558
not even racist. i hate all foreigners equally.
hey lads would you ever let a woman use a strapon on you if she were taller than you?
>>54894641
no thats gay
>>54894495
What are you talking about, look at this beautiful family home!
http://www.daft.ie/roscommon/houses-for-auction/ballaghaderreen/toobracken-ballaghaderreen-roscommon-1173640/
C'mon /eire/ we'll crowdfund buy it and fix it up to have for a hut and invite girls round to get the ride
>>54894586
I'm anti immigration but Identity Ireland are a joke. Their leader is a little weed and the vast majority of the country
has never heard of them.
If they were halfway decent they could run in more than the pitiful amount of constituencies they do now
>>54894586
>only retards don't vote lunatic fringe right
haha okay
>do they appear on the news much?
no thank fuck
These are identity Ireland's leaders
The lad on the right looks a bit simple, the middle looks like someone who'd serve you at supemacs and the one on the left looks like a thug bouncer who'd stop you from going into a club
Might set up my own right wing party, but too lazy
>>54894626
you are a foreigner
business idea: cut down the blanket bog for turf and replace it with forest
>>54894685
theyre inexperienced
give em a couple of years
>>54894686
alri ayomide cźuŋi
>>54894679
Prime location, bargain as well, wouldn't scoff at it
>>54894695
dude on right looks p slavic funnily enough
>>54894695
ill admit im laughin
>>54894730
t. pole chink
>>54894607
Whatever cunts whinge about negative equity, they still don't have to pay rent. Half the cocksuckers dont even pay their mortgage and cry to the government to keep from being repossessed. Meanwhile, renters get random increases, shitty conditions, and it's far more expensive. I wish they'd fucking turf every arsehole who took a 500 grand 110% mortgage on a labourer's salary and free up some fuckin housing at a reasonable price.
>>54894739
Is your only source of news stormfront or something? Identity Ireland is a joke and always will be
I don't know where you got the idea that they were good. Being anti immigration is good. Leaving the EU is certainly not good for our economy
Who knows what else they want
>>54894740
Biha paint, polyfilla, perspex for the windows, caulking round the frames for insulation, be grand.
>>54894786
but you are foreigner, both to us and americans
and tripfags are the foreigners of 4chan
>>54894802
We'll invite the Anglo lads like drumm back and let them lend as much as they want to developers to build more houses, should lead to a drop in supply and fix all the problems
WE
>>54894837
>pro-EU
>bad
lol
>>54894848
im either foreign to yanks or irish
choose
>>54894900
>pr*testants
>>54894983
whoops i mean
>pro eu
>good
>>54894894
There's a lot that was retarded about latter stage celtic tiger building, but the fact remains we've a deficit of about 10K housing units a year, and no way of filling them. Rents in Dublin have practically doubled in the past 10 years.
>>54894983
you are a foreigner to yanks because you're fresh off the boat like any other immigrant
you are a foreigner to us because you seem like an idiot yank
>>54895026
I hate the EU but it's one of the reasons we have such a rich country
>greens running a load of candidates and getting lots of screentime from rate
Can't wait for them to get zero seats. Fuck the carbon tax bollocks
>>54895124
we can have a trade relationship with other nations without the e*ropean un*on
>>54895090
there are plenty of stupid irish people
if im stupid im nothing special
>>54895182
do they even have any seats
theyre so easy to forget about
![20140710014533calvary_movieposter[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xJNdX44.jpg "20140710014533calvary_movieposter[1].jpg")
alri
>>54895417
they spelt cavalry wrong the retards
>>54895233
What's wrong with the EU? We have an opt out our government chooses to rarely use it, if UK leaves though it'll all go belly up for us.
>>54895444
Its the hill in which Jesus was crucified Jesus you yank are you Catholic at all
>>54895182
If Gerry Adams wasn't such multiculturalist I'd love him as Taoiseach
>>54895477
wefyewgees
fishin rights
general fourth reich krautery
just as bad as the UK
>>54895520
raised fedora
>>54895544
Didn't mean to reply to anyone with this
>>54895544
yeah, if gerry was racist af hed be ma
too bad he's a "brits out pakis in" nationalist
B T F O
>>54895544
Yeah he's only left cause the mad unionists are right
>>54895733
at last i truly see
How do we get rid of the underage (literally) yank tripfag lads?
>>54895830
by leaving, nigel
>>54895417
This made me depressed in many ways.
>>54895651
BRITS OUT REEEEEE
>>54895830
Get goot to rangeban the US.
>>54895651
charge your phone
BIG STINKY POO POO :DDDD :DDDDD
Who /illustrious personality/ here?
>>54896072
me
Banned for the fourth time from /r/ireland
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/02/10/poll-which-ira-is-your-favourite-ira/
>>54896228
buachaill mhaith
>>54895830
yeah he said that he moved to the states with his mam, surely that is proof enough for an underage ban? Like what 18+yo would move country with their mother
>>54896318
this was 3 years ago lol
kevin shields for taoiseach desu
>>54896228
lol
What was your account name I might have seen it
>>54896369
what age are you and give us your home address as proof
>>54896318
he's doing his leaving cert equivalent
he's 17
>>54896466
t. connor "anonymous" o'diarmuid
>>54896480
proofs?
>>54896298
Don't ever say that again
Ever
Say
Maith an buachaill
>>54896533
alri calm down haha
Work in the morning then lads?
>>54896675
lol you not on the dole?
>>54896675
yep
brief presentation in front of a minor celeb, should be fun.
>>54896738
illegal to go on the dole until im a citizen (i.e. never)
doesnt stop mexicans tho
>>54896777
you also have to be 18
>>54896913
haha
Mechagamezilla, are you in here?
Hey Irishbros, I'm looking to travel in your country and work for the summer. Preferably near Dublin or in it. Coz advice as to where to look for work, where to rent and all that? Sorry for not being specific with my question, but I don't know what else to ask
>>54897130
Why and work at what? Weather is Shite here enjoy a summer of rain, rents are shocking as well in Dublin and Dubliners aren't the nicest people in Ireland.
>>54897130
Coz* was meant to be need*
>>54897130
don't work in dublin, cost of living is crazy high there
![No-Surrender[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/djO6VcR.jpg "No-Surrender[1].jpg")
>>54897130
forget the paddies down south
come to the real ireland
>>54897209
I'll be with a few friends, we're all good with technology in general, two specialize in web development. We're about to graduate high school and have decent enough CV's already.
>>54897222
What about Bray and similar cities? I've spent two weeks there via Erasmus and seems like a chill place. Not too far from Dublin either
>>54895477
if the uk leaves we'll get plenty of the companies that jump ship
>>54897365
Don't go to Dublin, it is literally more dangerous than New York city was during the 80's.
>>54897557
I saw a vice article that said you have gang wars, is this true?
>>54897667
>vice article
>>54897667
The latest statistics suggest that on average there has been 2 assassinations a week in Dublin
>>54897751
That's exactly why I'm questioning it
nom nom
Anyone else kind of bothered by the fact that there's no real wilderness in Ireland?
plus our national parks are fucking titchy
I blame the farmers
>>54897798
That article is accurate. Dublin is the last place you'd want to go to at the moment, armed Gardai currently have the city on lock down.
Come to Cork instead.
>>54897877
At least you guys have trees
>>54897877
its wild enough in the mountains
also i had to solve 40 fucking captchas to post this fuck off hiroshima
Are there some sights worth seeing in Ireland?
I kind of want to visit one day, I can imagine small cozy villages where you can smell the wet grass from the summer rain, while drinking a beer in a dimly lit brown old local pub.
Is that just a romanticized version of your country?
>>54897793
>>54897956
Jesus, had no idea it was that bad. While I was there last year it all seemed perfectly fine. Do you think this will continue during the summer? A damn shame
I'll consider Cork but I'm unsure that my colleagues will be supportive of the idea.
Still, thanks for looking out.
>>54897956
since when is there big gangs in dublin
i thought it was just knackers and drug dealers stabbing each other
has it escalated in the past 3 years or have i been misinformed
>>54898050
only a tiny bit
the towns can be shit
There have been more assassinations and attempted assassinations in Dublin this week than in the entirety of Iraq and Syria.
>>54897877
>tfw all my friends were farmers growing up
>never had anything but bad experiences with farmers but couldn't say anything to their faces about it
>one of them was joking about having shot at a Polish guy and his girlfriend for trying to have a picnic in his field
>"haha yeah man but isn't that a little extreme though"
>"BAI THEY'RE LUCKY I NEVER SET THE DOG ON THEM SO THEY ARE"
I understand that both in the north and the Republic agriculture is a pretty big deal but I'd like someone to take them down a peg
>>54898050
Stay away from Dublin, go to Connemara or Donegal or Galway if you want to see a city
>>54898138
when the fuck did it get this bad
jesus
is chicago this bad? i wouldnt think so
>>54898153
nothin wrong with shootin the odd pole
>>54898075
Last September an exiled Dubliner was shot in Spain, since then it's been mental in Dublin, 2 assassinations a week on average this week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z68yTJWXm5g&app=desktop
ayyy what the fuck.
I thought you are not cucked as much as Britbongs
>>54898234
and before this it was just knackers and drug dealers right?
>>54898250
>dubliners
>human
>>54898270
In the 70's and 80's it was Dublin bred families of bank robbers, burglars and assorted paramilitaries, in the 90's it's was drug dealers from Dublin and paramilitaries, but for the past 15 or so years it's been all Dublin drug dealers.
Knackers steal lead and copper.
>met a nice southern girl
>red hair
>freckles
>tall
>lovely accent
>similar interests and hobbies
>told her I was taking Irish lessons
>"Oh haha that's so weird Irish is so useless we should just let it die out imo Irish culture is a bit cringey in general"
>>54898447
and stab ya
YA EYBOLINNME BAI I SWARE U STARTIN WIT ME BAI
>>54894257
>Every party is pro immigration as far as I know
no party is pro-immigration really
>>54894314
>vote identity ireland
Might as well shit in the ballot box
>>54898467
you gotta mold a woman to how ya want her ta be
>>54898447
Dublin was founded by vikings
It's that fighting spirit still going
It's a fact that genetically and historically the Irish do not exist. They exist only through the grand power of the modern imagination. In the early years of Anglo-saxon settlement of Ireland they only inhabited a small area of the east coast, true, but they quickly integrated and became indistinguishable from the other Irish. Now this is important because it actually quickly eradicated all actual Irish men. People didn't notice because it happened through other Anglo-Irish, or Fake Irish. There were remnants in wayward parts of Ireland untouched by Anglo blood at all, but they were wiped out in the great Irish famine.
Ironically, the same Anglo-Irish, who were not truly Irish, who moved to America, would later claim Ireland as their homeland and make up stories about it, like Leprechauns and how you have to punch people who wear green on certain days. None of these existed in reality of course, but this fueled the myth that Ireland was a real place populated by real Irish people. The most damning evidence of Ireland's fictionality is the name itself. Ireland, is of course, an Island. And perhaps to an American ear Ireland sounds distinct. But pronounced properly without the r as British are wont to do, and you'll quickly notice the name is actually just Island but with a pseudo r inserted. Ireland as it turns out is actually just Island slightly twisted. Now, imagine a continent called Corntinent. Or a Planet named Plarnet. Would that sound like a real place to you?
I'll leave that as an exercise to the readers.
Ireland really is an island, but that's all it is. The people who inhabit it are not really Irish, but are all fictional characters playing the role of Irishmen. When the tourists go home, the Irish left alone no longer keep up their ruse and stop pretending they're such a thing. What's the purpose of this ruse? It's unknown and perhaps we will never know
Ireland is sometimes written Éire but sometimes its written something like Éireann, whats the diference?
>>54898153
A farmer shot at a group of us when we were drinking in a field. Good craic.
Farmers are fucking scum.
>>54898576
Éire is the nominative form and Éireann is the genitive form. There's also Éirinn which is the dative form.
>>54898656
In 2003 there was an ammendment to Scottish law that said you could do whatever you wanted in a field as long as there were no crops growing there.
Farmers are still butthurt about it to this day.
>>54898722
Does irish have 3 cases?
>>54898825
There's 4 in total, the final one being the vocative case.
>>54898656
>>54898775
Well I was planning on going to Ireland. One of the things I was planning to do was go to the countryside and find some nice photos to take of the nature and shit. Are a lot of these fields privately owned and will I get shot at?
>>54899031
Ask for permission from the owner, and you'll be grand.
>>54898234
youre some chancer
lads just got the shift off this fat british one and she wants it to be a long lasting thing what do I say
>>54898722
what the fuck does that mean
>>54899842
Sorry but, I'm gay.
>>54899855
It means there's a fucking case system in Gaeilge.
>>54899916
why dont we just speak english itself
>>54899886
I'm not fuckin chancin that you gobshite
>>54899999
JUST
>>54899999
>>54899999
Because English isn't our language.
>>54893331
>>54893331
>Ma is a nurse
>Da drives a lorry
>Apply for grant
>Lol your parents both work and one of them is a public servant, you guys are RICH.
Fucking systems retarded, especially all the waster I see drinking their grant.
>>54898052
It's not dangerous at all for normal people, it's just assassinations for revenge.
How do ya register lads?
Also I gave up fast food and wanking for lent, it is gonna be a fun 40 days.
>>54900141
register what?
>>54894495
>Graduate comp sci
>Get cushy job doing fuck all
>Play videos and masturbate until I die.
>>54898775
I wish they'd do this here
>>54899031
No you'll be completely grand. I spent my entire life fucking around in fields and annoying cattle so I probably deserved it. This happened only one time.
>>54900170
voting i think
>>54900141
>lent
FOC (fuck off christian)
>>54900190
I want a job like that. What does it require to get into the course? I don't have a Junior Cert.
>>54900170
>>54900217
Yeah voting and as for the lent thing I am a fedora tipper but its a good time to be giving up shit.
I jerk off too much and have been getting chubby, I have always thought lent was retarded but misery loves company.
>>54899855
Seo í Éire
Tá mé in Éirinn
Seo bratach na hÉireann
>>54900264
google it
>>54900264
any times a good time
but if you can circlejerk aboug it abit i suppose it works
>>54900266
i speak fluent german (4 cases) and have no idea what a case is
i can use them but dunno what they are
[spoiler]Test[/spoiler]
>>54900263
About 400 point in the LC.
But I suppose there backdoors in like minor courses and work your way up but it will take ages.
Having no Junior or leaving cert will fuck you up though.
>>54900401
Well HITLER BOOOOI WHAT'S THE CRAIC ANY JEWS
>>54900401
I think ya left the oven on angrystein
>>54900401
oje! die juden wissen!
>>54900401
ooh boi I love the smell of burnin jews in the mornin HEIL
>>54900435
>>54900475
>>54900521
>>54900549
I don't get it.
>>54900689
OJE MEIN FÜHRER DIE IREN WISSEN SCHNELL HALTE ES
>>54900392
Mainly for the fast food thing too, any other time of the year people will not give a shit and keep tempting me, especially my family. But if I say I am off fast food for lent they will comply with it.
>>54900689
>>54900549
>>54900521
>>54900475
>>54900435
HITLER DOESN'T GET IT LADS
I THINK HE DOESN'T SPEAK ENGLISH
>>54900811
Have you no self control you undisciplined weakling?
>>54900689
Stop fucking up Europe and give us more free money.
>>54900811
yeah thats what im sayin
its like new years except people give a shit
>>54900816
im speaking german to him, no excuses
Northern Ireland is British
>>54900893
good
>>54893222
t. James Fitzpatrick
>>54900893
liverpool is irish
anyway we dont want it until the northern """""""irish"""""""" are genocided
>>54900926
This.
>>54900893
nobody's disagreein with ya britcuck
>>54900926
>liverpool is irish
So is half of Manchester
>>54900925
t. leaf mcmaplefrog
>>54900401
>1,000,000 IMMIGRANTS
C U C K E D
U
C
K
E
D
>>54900839
>Have you no self control you undisciplined weakling?
Fast food and jerking off are one of the pillars of my escapism, the others are reading, video games and anime.
So what do you think?
I managed a month without jerking off but with fast food I am fighting addictive chemicals and advertising that has had untold amount of shoveling into it.
I would like to have a weekly curry with my da but somehow other shit food slips in for the rest of the week.
>>54893758
t. James Fitzpatrick
i didnt know how to make a th sound till i was 9
i also didnt know names beginning with mc and o' were originally irish, because so many americans have them
>>54900962
exactly
Daily reminder that Ulster has been under Anglo rule for 1000+ years and that the Republic has no legitimate claim to it
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1R2qCsoHnpU
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1wsRY3Re7DC
>>54901014
>>54900816
This thread is really hostile compared to the Deutschfaden ):
>>54894495
>plans in life
>>54901025
thats an american pretending to be me on a different chan
>>54901023
Can you not make your own curry at home?
I'm cooking one for dindins tomorrow.
>>54901050
>1000+
wtf
ulster has only been under the anglos for maybe 3-400 years
>>54901052
i spoke fluent german to ye in that and ye still called me a yank
>>54901070
i hate spicy food tb h especially poo in loo food
>>54901050
Keep it
you've ruined it anyways, downie
>>54901121
>>54901050
Did you cry when the tricolour was raised over Belfast city hall?
>>54901148
didn't read
why is everyone so against /celt/
it sounds alri
>>54901148
>as an irish catholic cuckold
fixed for you
>>54901070
I do, I make perfectly healthy delicious curry. But a beef curry with boiled rice, chips and chicken balls from the Chinese is something I love and its a way of bonding with my father.
>>54901165
Not exactly pic related is it lad
Is there anything worth living for?
Anything at all?
>>54901223
alri янyкoвич
>>54901239
the craic
Hullo
>>54892803
Why does this muh heritage faggot keep making /brit/ threads. Christ how much of a faggot would you have to be.
>>54901265
hello my yankish frend
wots de craic
>>54901265
hai :)
>>54901265
Hullo
We are the billy boys
>>54901245
There is no craic.
>>54901294
>/brit/
put your glasses on bruce
>>54901302
This joke is between your legs
sometimes write that on bathroom stalls
>>54901346
find some
>>54901354
you're always shitting up /brit/ threads too
>>54901223
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/08/mohammed-really-is-the-single-most-popular-boys-name-in-england-and-wales/
How does it feel that you'll be belonging to a bunch of Muhammads in 10 years time Unioncuck?
>>54901388
I don't want to. I hate craic.
>>54901389
nah i realized its full of retards
>>54901373
do you know what craic is bai
good honest hard working protestant men 2bh
>>54901442
Some kind of vicious sea creature?
>>54901429
well do you speak irish
>>54901450
good goyim cucking themselves for the queen ya mean
>>54901395
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32225800
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/a-race-hate-crime-happens-every-three-hours-in-northern-ireland-depressing-new-psni-figures-reveal-31215898.html
I went to dublin once and muslims honestly outnumbered whites, headscarves everywhere
hardly see a paki in belfast
>>54901469
thats kraken
>>54901484
dubliners arent human
>>54901477
No. In school they made learning Irish fun, so I never learned it.
>>54901484
i really dont care about northern ireland
piss off to brit if you love the place so much
>>54901562
alright go ahead and kill yourself then
