The Turkish flag is actually Byzantine flag of Constantinople
>>53516613
or mamluks
Even the Turkish music is actually Byzantine music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da9FeNoFIm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lBJ3ZYy_XA
>>53516655
The truth is that the crescent was not identified with Islam until after the appearance of the Osmanli Turks, whilst on the other hand there is the clearest evidence that in the time of the Crusades, and long before, the crescent and star were a regular badge of Byzantium and the Byzantine Emperors, some of whom placed it on their coins. William Ridgeway, "The Origin of the Turkish Crescent",
Kaynak:in The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol. 38 (Jul. - Dec. 1908), pp. 241-258 (p 241)
The star and crescent predates the Byzantine empire
>>53516613
Also ''Istanbul'' comes from Εις την πόλιν that mean In the city :^)
>>53516613
It was used by the early inhabitants of Byzantion, it also appeared from time to time during the Byzantines, but it's also a Turkic symbol, and probably some other Eurasian people. I think there were battles where both the Byzantines and Ottomans raised star-crescent flags, lel.
Good luck making any sense of that
>>53516663
It's not fair to call it either Byzantine or Turkish music, the Eastern Mediterranean and Levant was always interconnected like that. The Ottomans get too much credit for it in modern times though.
One thing I'd claim Turks "stole" was the Pontic "kemenche" and their dance which you still use a Greek name for.
Turkish mosques are actually greek churches with minarets
>>53516848
>but it's also a Turkic symbol
hurr
nope, it is not a turkic symbol
>stole
it does not count as stealing if we are actually Greeks
We wuz byzantium en shiet
bad thread kamal better stick with dead white soldiers.
Fact=
Turkic names were pretty rare in Ottoman times among "Turks". Turkic names became popular after 1910s
>>53516856
Turkish people are actually greek people with fezes. ;^)
>>53516936
>kamal
ok underage
>>53516959
Fez is actually a Greek hat
>>53516897
t. suleiman abdulselim al-mehmet murad
I've always wondered,
Why do we not eat horse meat? other central asian countries consume horse meat pretty well. But we don't
This itself is a proof that we're not steppe horse fuckers
>>53517062
I'm pretty sure the answer to that is Islam.
>>53516655
Mamluks = turkic warrior "slaves" that took over power in egypt.
WE WUZ ROMANS N SHIEET
>>53517120
Central asians are muslim, aren't they?
>>53516774
>>53517164
>>53517164
reminder that the byzantine "Empire" had a bulgarian on the throne once
>>53517194
Yeah but they're fedoras. Ottomans claimed the title of caliphate, >>53517263
so had to act the part.
>>53517361
>they're fedoras
common mistake
they are not fedoras. In fact, they're as durka as any islamic shithole
>>53517263
>a 20 year "empire" tries to banter a millenium empire
kek
>53516613
the crescent WITH the star is actually an ancient greek religious symbol for the goddess of magic that had a big cult in constantinople
>>53517512
>be greek
>become independent after centuries of being the turk's fuckboy, even getting assimialted so much that only a rump greek state exists today
>actually after decades of ineptitude get your actual capital back
>loose it immideatly after
You know how the Romans did it?
They NEVER surrendered and refused to ever negotiate with enemies on THEIR SOIL.
But no, you had to be cucks.
Now you missed the opportunity and turkey needed to be invited to NATO because of the strategic important strait, which you fucked up to hold.
>>53517401
so they are ultra fedora
>>53516613
>>53516721
AYO, HOL UP
>>53517760
hmmm
>>53517401
haha
last time I saw girl with hijab 4 months ago
>>53517887
fuck
i forgot to add "except kazakhstan"
my mistake
but uzbeks are sandnigger tier, there are many uzbek fighters in ISIS
This is why Mehmed II claimed to be the "Roman" emperor
Ottomans were just muslim eastern romans
>>53517928
What about Bahrain?
>>53516613
>>53517512
BY AZURA, BY AZURA, BY AZURA!
>>53518043
they are not. only second mehmet did and he was half-italian so makes sense.
aside from him no one wanted to be smelly rome.
>>53517120
Islam doesn't forbid horse meat though
>>53518224
Pseudo historian please go away
>he was half-italian
end yourself
>>53518270
>his mother is italian
>he is not half-italian
funny kurd.
>>53518300
Toruya siktir git 10 iqlu primat
>>53518300
doesnt count in islamic society though
the mothers are often not even named
also the whole problem with christian harem sexslaves
>>53517062
Eating horse is a hardcore nomadic thing. Horse is both transport and food, very diverse and smart, familia.
>>53518344
>There are two theories on her origin: She was an Italian named Stella;[3] She was Serbian
u are so stupid m9
>>53518371
>doesnt count in islamic society though
the problem is, his mother was a serb. not an italian.
>>53516897
kün-ay, and later mihr ü mah had been a nomadic symbol since the time of Motun Khan and probably even before.
read De groot's work on Huns for Kün-ay, and Yazıcızade for Mihr ü mah.
Alternatively you can read Emel Esin's Kozmolojiye Giriş (or something like that, I can't remember for sure.)
>>53518386
>Annesi bir Sırp'tır
>Sırp
Primat toruchan'a siktir ol
Besides, he claimed roman heritage because he had Komnenos blood.
>>53518409
>it's a turkic symbol
>t- some sourceless book
>>53518409
One of my favorite memes.
>>53518442
are you stupid m8? can't u understand her enticity is disputed and repeating same shit like a parrot won't change the fact?
go ahead name me another sultan claimed to be roman eperor
Backgammon is a popular game in Turkey
and guess what, Romans' and Greeks' favorite game was backgammon. This game is still very popular in Mediterranean countries and Iran
>>53518179
>>53518529
>hurr i'm being a retard
she was probably a serb. besides, this does not matter, he claimed roman heritage through Komnenos blood, not fucking through the Italian heritage
>>53516613
TAKE ME BACK TO CONSTANTINOPLE
>>53518542
im really fucking good at backgammon desu
Do you know why? Because Turkey is the true successor of Roman and Byzantine Empire.
The next Julius Caesar is probably growing up somewhere in Anatolia right fucking now, he may be born as a Kurd
>>53518572
>she was probably a serb
she was probably an italian
>this does not matter
this does matter bc no one but only an-half-italian claimed to be roman emperor.
>muh Komnenos blood
he also called himself turkic due to kayi tribe several times.
>>53518554
Hahahaha, how old is that statue?
>>53518637
>Mehmed's claim rested with the concept that Constantinople was the seat of the Roman Empire, after the transfer of its capital to Constantinople in 330 AD and the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Mehmed also had a blood lineage to the Byzantine Imperial family; his predecessor, Sultan Orhan I had married a Byzantine princess, and Mehmed may have claimed descent from John Tzelepes Komnenos.[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Rome
You can get the fuck out now. Altyaş tarihçi
>>53518542
>>53518633
I always played backgammon with my grandmother.
havent played it since I was little boy though
>>53518633
>i'm good at a game that is based on luck
>>53518542
>Backgammon is a popular game in Turkey
>and guess what, Romans' and Greeks' favorite game was backgammon
>>53518634
>The next Julius Caesar is probably growing up somewhere in Anatolia right fucking now, he may be born as a Kurd
pic related, it's him
>>53518678
an italian asides no one claimed third rome my dear. that's why whole concept is stupid, that's why you can't name me another sultan.
>>53518696
senpai we have something like tournaments where the loser has to pay for the drinks/coffee when we go out
>>53518720
>he sucks at backgammon
>>53518750
>only italians can claim Roman heritage
kill yourself
>that's why you can't name me another sultan
we're talking about Mehmed II
Tartışmayı bilmiyorsun, kaynak göstermiyorsun, götten sıkıp sıkıp geliyorsun buraya bre orospu evladı kanser ettin beni burada
>>53518720
you chose how to utilize the rolls you get friend
backgammon is only a luck game to the plebian passer by
>>53518634
Caesar can pass as a local in here desu
>>53518815
>>only italians can claim Roman heritage
>kill yourself
you have to be christian though
Also Franks (German and French) are God's chosen people.
It is known. The pope said it.
>>53518554
>>53518668
Nm, just found it, and completely unsurprised after the robot statue incident.
Not sure whether this guy is absolutely based, absolutely off his rocker, or both.
>>53518851
that panhead looks like an albo
roman squip empire confirmed
>>53518815
>ad-hominem
all sultans hated pork-eating wife cuckolding rome. and only exception was an italian and you can't prove otherwise.
lel.
>>53518442
öff :d let me give you the pages too, illiterate kürt :D
De Groot - Die Hunnen der vorchristlichen Zeit, page 60
Esin - Türk Kozmolojisine Giriş, page 69
Don't know Yazıcızade's work page-for-page, sorry :)
Hocam bu arada eğleniyor musun bu tiradlarda?
>>53518506
>ignores sources once again
alr8 janitoryan. I got my lesson yesterday ;^(
>>53518908
>sourceless books
yep, like i said
>kürt
toruya siktir git be altyaş
>>53518896
>tfw the squips are KANGZ after all
>>53517760
Dont be that mean, it is a sad thing they lost Konstantinopel.
>>53518894
I wonder how many fucking nerds they have to shoo away per week because of the statue.
>>53516848
the turkics didn't include a star in that position while byzantines did afaik
>>53518908
>implying you provided any sources yesterday
>>53519078
is that armenian? what is it saying
Me on the right
Greek bros on the left
Turanists are just like niggers who claim all civilizations were black till da neanderthal barbarian man stole it
>>53517263
That's what Empire means retard
>>53519121
His Majesty [Hazreti] Sultan Selim the First.
>>53519135
Poor Belisarius
>>53518934
>I don't even know what the book is but I can just call it sourceless :D
alright
>>53518988
yep, Turks pre-Islam didn't use pointed-stars, but they used a circle, Sun. After Islam, they started using pointed stars (6 and 8 pointed stars), and in the late times Ottomans started using 5 pointed star with the Humanist ideas, as the 5-pointed-star represented the Human.
>>53519214
>the german book is written in 1920s
>the other book is a turkish book
yes, very legit sources.
I show you the roman coins, sources. And you show me 2 books which don't have sources
Perhaps you're a central asian, because you're as smart as them
>>53519202
this mad mofo conquered carthage and italy back and was only forced to evacuate because of the justinian plague
>>53517062
Because when you moved to Anatolia you found out you were living in a part of the world with great food so you were like "fuck eating horses"
>>53519135
Come home Hellenic Trojan man
fucking pontic stop posting about your greek autism
>>53519269
aay this movie tho
>>53519392
>pontic
wut
Are you having an identity crisis? I guess that's what happens when you live in an area where hundreds of peoples and empires have crossed through.
>>53519412
gebertecem seni lanet pontikos
>>53519392
come home /hellenic/ man
>>53519456
Pontuslu değilem
Kapadokyalıyım
>>53519485
gebertecem seni lanet kapadokus
>>53519461
Im proud hittie inşallah pay reparations for hittie genocide you hellenic scum
>>53519533
hittites and greeks are genetically similiar
>>53519533
Teshup ananı siqem
>>53519594
no
>>53519609
>hititliğe gönül vermiş bir tek teshup var
ax be hellenicos kürdicos
>>53519264
First of all, I never even implied the Romans didn't use it, and you have to be clinically retarded to think that if Romans had a symbol, somebody else can't have a similar.
Second, if you want coins, here it is :)
And again, you are not countering any point by saying the books are sourceless. You would have to prove they are sourceless as both of the books are cited numerous times in Turkology articles.
ALLAHU AKBAR!
I SUCK MOHAMMED'S 2 DEFLATED TESTICLES!
>>53519657
Nice "crescent and star"
it exactly looks like Tug Banner
>>53519660
Delet
>>53519533
>>53519413
>hundreds of peoples and empires have crossed through.
most of them were genetically and culturally similiar besides the arabs and mongols
>>53519709
It is literally Kün-Ay, are you blind?
Oh, you are confused about Kün? It means Sun, and a Sun is what you see.
An additional information for you, so you understand better what Kün-Ay represents: The "ırk" of Light is a single circle, (sometimes filled and sometimes with a dot inside) -like 'o'- in Steppe and Chinese cosmology, as you can guess, Kün represents Light here, while Ay represents Darkness, which's "ırk" is a single line, like '_'
>tug banner
Wew, who would have thought people from the same area shared the same symbols of power?
>>53520079
It does not look like Crescent and Star lad. Give up. But it indeed has crescent. but still, not the same thign as crescent and star
>>53519851
>le hellenic faec
>>53520116
thing*
>>53520079
>>53520116
>iki türkün birbiriyle ingilizce konuşması
>>53520135
>>53520217
kek
>>53520209
>4chan nedir
ilaveten
>Türk
>>53520116
I never said it is Crescent-Star, from the beginning >>53518409 I am saying it is Kün-Ay, and infact, >>53519214 I said it here too. Work up on your comprehension kamal.
>>53520320
What's the point of talking about the "crescent" symbol if we're talking about "crescent and star"?
>>53520217
>tfw golden lel is from Ancient Greece
I am planning to go to Central Anatolia with a shovel and pickaxe
maybe i can find some hittite/roman/greek stuff
>>53520350
Because Kün is a star too, A star doesn't have to be pointed. And as I told the Greek, we switched to geometrical stars because they had additional meanings, not because we gave up Kün-Ay completely (read Yazıcızade), we just changed the Star.
And, Kün Ay isn't just Crescent, are you even reading what I'm writing?
>>53520422
έπος :-D
>>53520482
You will definitely. I am from Kastamonu, a relatively unimportant place in Anatolia save for Kastra Komnen and Pompeipolis, and literally everyone I know has came upon an old artifact at point in their life.
My grandfather is a treasure hunter, and also "muhtar", he bought half the village with the money he made from selling museums the petty stuff he found :D
I wish my name was Yorgos Konstantinos Elios Panatinaykos Dimitris Theodoros, like a real Greek.
>>53520580
>My grandfather is
was* ;-,
>>53520483
>And, Kün Ay isn't just Crescent
but it is.
also, no turkic state ever used crescent and star in their history, but for some reason, ottomans started to use crescent and star, and guess what, it exactly looks like the byzantine crescent and star. I wonder why
>take name from central asian tribe
>take culture from greeks
>take religion from arabs
is there anything turks dont appropriate?
>>53520621
>>53520580
what did he find?
>>53520621
easy
convert to greek orthodoxy and use that opportunitiy to not only become more greek, but also get a proper greek name with baptism
>>53520680
help him, it will be qt
>>53520482
WISH ME LUCK
>>53520679
>>53520698
Türkos on suicide watch
>>53520679
Vienna
>>53520643
Can you really not read?
Kün, the circle is a Star too.
Güneş is a star.
Güneş bir yıldızdır. Eh?
read >>53520079 and >>53520483 again.
Anyway I'm out kamal, got to leave this shithole called Ankara, even for a week.
>>53520687
çanak-çömlek mostly, vases, one or two coins, I don't know the exact details. I never saw him, I am telling the story others have told me.
You know, in Taşköprü, they opened a museum for Pompeipolis, the museum guy told me they took most of the artifacts from people's homes, where they were used as "soba altlığı" "süs eşyası" and stuff :D
>>53520705
i thought it was a ruse and i had my guard up desu
So turanism ended? Now Turks are rightful descendants of Byzantium?
>>53520967
>So turanism ended
yes
>Now Turks are rightful descendants of Byzantium?
We've realized that we are actually not Turks
why would you want to be greek? they don't even throw javelins at each other for sport!
>>53521066
>greeks don't throw javelins
Spartans
>>53521009
Finally, we are able to create an alliance and then go to Vienna together.
>>53521167
spartans are a meme, don't get your history lessons from hollywood you fucking cretin
>>53521066
we had flamethrowers tho
>>53521255
Spartans were pretty tough people
>>53521170
>allying russians
never ever, i'd rather get raped by a pack of kurds
>>53521257
ok, i'll give you that. flamethrowers were pretty dank
>>53521294
no you fucking retard spartans were just some hill billy greeks the athenians propped up to seem dangerous, they weren't any better than the other greek states in warfare
hell they got fucked up by persians, athenians, their own slaves and most importantly by a group of men that fucked each other in the ass as a hobby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thebes,_Greece
fucking highschoolers on /tr/ need to fuck off back to inci god damn
>>53521961
forgot this link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leuctra
>>53521961
>T*rk butthurt
still, they were tough people.
>>53522002
>they lost a battle, thus they're not that great
underage turk posters need to be genocided
>>53521961
>they got fucked up by athenians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnesian_War
>>53522130
>>53522068
they got so absolutely destroyed by the boeotians and thebans that they became irrelevant again
sure, they stayed as their own little society until the romans told them fuck off whilst rest of greece went on to unite and wage war all along the mediterrenean up to persia, but that doesn't mean much desu
>This fucking thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIdvzCd9tPQ
>>53523760
EF SO MQ
>>53523760
nope this thread;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpArv6w1taw
>>53516613
>>53516721
Cresendent and star was also used by Turkic/Turkish khaganates of Central Asia even in 7th century.
>>53516655
Offical name of Mamluks as a state was ''Dawla al-Turkiyya'' Literally meaning State of Turks as they were mostly Turkish slave soldiers.
>>53524874
>Cresendent and star was also used by Turkic/Turkish khaganates of Central Asia even in 7th century.
delusional turanist please
this has been discussed, turkics did not use crescent and star, but they used the crescent
>>53520901
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>53524905
>They used crescent, they didn't use crescent and star
They literally used crescent and sun (guess what sun is you cunt) in coins you authist.
>>53520901
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH, IM SERIOUYSLY BUTTHUUUURT.
RIP Turanism
1910-2016
you'll never be missed
>>53529054
Nobody cares about you.
>>53529107
>butthurt almancı
>>53529107
>>53529054
not even belgium cares about you and they are a meme country
>>53529209
he's not belgium
he's Turkey
