Should the rest of us also get into this monarchy business?
Thought you guys had a Khan
How would you choose them?
>>53316611
kek
>>53316571
by now aristocracy is ornamental. kings hold little to no power
so the answer is: only if that raises tourism
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW9Uudkx42g
>>53316648
The answer is to give the monarchy more power because politicians can fuck up a country and then leave, they don't have to live with the repercussions
But we already had a king, for two months
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Frederick_Charles_of_Hesse
the guy who would be our king is an enormous stupid faggot
we're better off with this shitty democracy
>>53316630
We could always force Wille-Alexander of netherlands and Kate Middleton to make babies?
>>53316698
this, so fucking much this
>>53316648
The Spaniards brought back theirs after decades without one.
Greece & Italy have the potential to restore theirs. Maybe Russia could restore a ceremonial Tsardom too.
>>53316712
>Willem-Alexander
Don't, he carries potato-face genes.
>>53316698
You don't want King Silvio?
>>53316571
You already treat our king as your unofficial one, so you might as well have him as head of state.
>>53316677
>they don't have to live with the repercussions
maybe if they were lynched more often...
>>53316672
topkek.
>>53316712
So basically nominate a foreign monarch? That fits with the idea of monarchy but seems to miss the point a bit, you want a politically neutral figurehead and focus for nationalism.
You want a finn ideally
>>53316764
I doubt Russia regaining theirs, but stranger things have happened I guess.
>>53316571
SWEDEN DENMARK, NORWAY, BELGIUM AND HOLLANDE HAVE A MONARCH?????????????????
>Monarchies
Unironically it's 2016 they don't give anything that countries would genuinely benefit from unless you're talking about having a face for the country with zero political power.
>>53316851
The Georgian era (George came from Germany), started the most successful period in UK history. Nothing wrong with a foreign monarch
>>53316851
But weren't all royals related to each other in the good old days? Ofcourse the future spouses of the offsrings could bring some finnish blood into the mix.
>>53316867
I only mentioned it because I read this a while ago. If there's anyone in Europe focused on a return to traditions and the countries imperial past (other than Erdogan) it's Putin.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/586470/Russia-royal-family-Vladimir-Putin-reinstate-Tsar-Nicholas-Second-Romanov
I volunteer as king of Germany. Any objections?
>>53316887
so mad
>>53316950
just a request: pls execute frau merkel for high treason
>>53316877
>HOLLANDE
Triggered.
But yes. The king's a race traitor though, he married an Argentinian.
>>53316571
France should be a monarchy
Vive le Roy
>>53316908
I agree, but I think if you were to start a monarchy now you'd need more justification than "we'll have that one" from another country's royal family.
>>53317032
Yeah, true
It's a joke when everyone pays taxes to fund some random family that marries local peasants.
They were a good investment when royal marriages between countries meant peace and great economic relations.
Now it's a bunch of guys and girls with a lot of pride and very little prestige.
>>53316877
Oui
>>53316930
I thought all the important Romanovs were executed by the Bolsheviks, up to and including the children.
Wouldn't anyone they can bring back, just be some distant dimwit who never actually had any claim beyond holding the name?
>>53317075
You have to pay taxes for a random family anyway, it's called a President. The white countries in OP all have one
>>53317075
Our royal family has paid taxes since the 90s and is almost certainly a net contributor before the substantial taxes they pay.
>>53316995
There's always the 'diana option'
>>53316648
I'm pretty sure our monarch holds a lot more power than people give him credit. It's just all behind the scenes.
What the King and our ministers discuss is a state secret.
And if our King wouldn't sign a law or elect a mayor or judge or whatever it would be the ministers head, so they would never disagree with each other.
In fact, according to our constitution it's forbidden for our ministers and King to disagree with each other.
>>53316887
>unless you're talking about having a face for the country with zero political power
exactly, for tourism purposes
"we kingz now where castles"
>>53317114
At least they're just a 4-12 year investment, and you can drop them next election if they don't do a proper job.
>>53317026
Which one though? House Napoleon or House Bourbon?
>>53317175
And monarchies can be abolished
>>53317109
The current pretenders are descendants of Nicolai the seconds cousin
>>53316877
I don't think Sweden, Denmark, or Norway, has ever not had a monarch.
>>53317129
>the diana option
>mfw
>>53317133
i'm pretty sure he signs without even reading
doesn't mean your country's king can't be interested in politics or how to influence in them. but nowadays most royalty are ambassators, they can't just impose their will without the people making a fuss "OMG WE SO OPPRESSED!"
I think monarchs play an important role in the stability of a nation, but not as they are today. They need actual power to dissolve parliament etc. The monarch should be a figure head who only exercises power then parliament fails to listen to the people. They must also sign off on all acts of parliament, and so have a duty to never sign off on an act that limits the existing rights of the people.
I'm shit at explaining stuff but yeah my opinion.
I also think though that it should be inherited differently. We should only have kings, and each king should be allowed as many wifes as they please. This means they have dozens of kids, and they should choose the brightest child as their heir.
honestly the best solution to the problem of how shit western democracies are is stepping up political assassination big time
>>53317129
Yeah, and your Queen does bring in the big EU agriculture money with all that farmland She owns.
>>53317225
The King and our ministers have a weekly meeting where they discuss the ongoing affairs.
>>53317190
Have you ever gotten close to that point, since the War of the Roses?
republicans in western constitutional democracies are the biggest faggots
>>53317225
>Paraguaian telling a kingdom how monarchy works
>>53317254
doesn't contradict what i said
but again, doesn't mean he's not really interested. he could exert soft power by, for example, refusing to sign without renegotiating. of course he would not refuse officially, because it'd be an scandal. hence 'soft' power
>>53317129
how can they pay taxes if they get their money VIA taxes?? do they run business on the side?
>>53317254
Every monday they have a meeting, but the contents of the meeting are a state secret.
So nobody knows if he just follows, if he advices or if he has a real opinion or not.
>>53317271
there was the english civil war, cromwell etc and a small surge in republicanism in the victorian era when queen victoria secluded herself for a period
>>53317333
the same way any public employee pays taxes on their income, holdings, investments etc
>>53317359
Our monarchy doesn't pay taxes. They are still above the law.
Some politicians do want them to pay taxes, but our ministers always refuse.
>>53316995
how can that be??? She is white
>>53317359
was it in 2009 when Birmingham got their income cut and had to put on their simpler dresses and all that? i remember the news but not the date
>>53317177
Napoleon House
The Spanish wanker is no true man to wear the crown of King of the French.
>>53317390
And because they are above the law nobody actually knows how rich they are.
The grandmother of our King used to have 25% of the stocks in Royal Dutch Shell.
But nobody knows if the stocks are still in the family.
![1649-beheading-of-Charles-I[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aBzhUqT.jpg "1649-beheading-of-Charles-I[1].jpg")
>>53317271
>Have you ever gotten close to that point, since the War of the Roses?
Of course! We beheaded our King, Charles I, over 100 years before the French made it cool. Pic related.
But the Republic was worse than the Monarchy, so after Cromwell died we restored the Monarch. Charles II was a pretty cool guy.
>>53317271
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Three_Kingdoms
>>53317423
I have no idea what you mean, sorry.
>>53317340
Good to have some history of that, so they won't take it for granted.
The ideal government is a monarchy that lets parliament run the nation. They only exist to keep parliament in check.
Who agrees?
>>53317537
Definitely. The westminster system works the best
>>53317359
don't forget the tourism it brings
>>53317537
agreed, it is best when there is an all-powerful veto at the top to make sure the policymakers don't get out of line or try to consolidate power like they have here
>>53317537
I think modern western democracy is a fucking sham desu. Maybe 30 years ago it meant something but today it's just a shit show
Now, imagine Ireland having a monarch
>>53317681
I genuinely wonder what the British monarchy thinks of multicultural Britain. Do you think the queen likes the new London?
![britain-queen-s-speech759[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dCuLPrD.jpg "britain-queen-s-speech759[1].jpg")
>>53317518
>Good to have some history of that, so they won't take it for granted.
You should watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cub19x2VX_I
Every year in the State Opening of Parliament, the Queen's messenger (called Black Rod because of the rod he carries), walks to the House of Commons and the doors are slammed shut in his face. This tradition reminds is to remind the Monarch that Parliament is in charge and they can never enter the Commons. Monarchs were banned from the Commons after Charles I tried, and failed, to arrest some MPs hundreds of years ago.
Also in the same day, the Monarch has to sit in the Lords wearing a heavy crown and read out Government's to-do list. This is actually a humiliation for the Monarch, as it reminds them that the Government makes the rules not the Monarch. It's very deliberate, this tradition, every year their lack of power is demonstrated to them, but at the same time every respect is accorded to the Monarch. It's interesting
>>53317718
>>53317497
years ago with the PIGS and all that economical crisis, they made an example of the royalty and cut their expenses
dunno if they raised their expenses nowadays (with Kate coming in and what not) or they're still managing themselves with austerity
>>53317730
this is great actually
>>53317681
you just need to get rid of particular politicians, not of the whole system. people are too passive and stoic about the government unfortunately. it's everyone's lives at stake
>>53317718
I think she accepts it, I don't think she is racist or would want a white only UK or anything. She is relatively progressive though, always has been. I imagine she is old enough to appreciate just how huge the change has been but I don't get the feeling she is disgusted with it. She is definitely not very conservative. Just look at Prince 'Climate Change caused ISIS' Charles, her son.
>>53317730
never knew that, thanks senpai
>>53317730
During our State of the Union (Princeday) the monarchy marches into The Hague with lots of soldiers. And cannons will be shot to salute him. :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dHs4W8P0QU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd5s6_mV1k4
>>53317423
>>53317497
>>53317875
I think you mean "Buckingham" [Palace], not Birmingham, f.a.m. That's why the Brit who replied to you was confused.
I'm not sure if the Palace's money was cut. What I do know is that today, the money they receive is a % of the revenue raised by their estates for the taxpayer. So if they keep 5% (I have no idea what the real % is), and their estates become more profitable, then their income increases
Also, the Royal Family has a large amount of privately-owned stuff, in addition to the publicly-owned palaces and castles. I imagine those bring in a lot of money.
This would be our rightful royal couple, the guy is the descendant of Kaiser Willhelm.
The royal duties currently are in the hands of our president, though.
>>53318231
And then he announces the governments plan for the years, with a speech usually written by the Prime Minister.
>>53318231
>>53318259
But where does he make the speech? The lower or upper house?
>>53318332
In a separate building, the knights hall, where there is a combined meeting of the first chamber (senate) and second chamber (parliament).
He is visiting their meeting though.
>>53318402
Interesting. So the traditions are fairly similar
>>53316571
Do it. King Linus of House Torvalds, the First of His Name, Ruler of Linux and GNU and Protector of The Sacred Kernel.
>>53318435
Well, your government type was partially inspired by ours from long ago.
And the Americans have a government type inspired by a later phase in the Netherlands.
>>53316571
Ehkäpä ääni muuttuu kellossa, kun valtion pääksi ja kuningattareksi tulee Johanna Tukiainen.
>>53317730
>called Black Rod
top cuck
>>53318478
Our type of government started to take shape much earlier, but when William of Orange became King in 1688, there must have been some fusion of traditions. In fact the Glorious Revolution is when the Monarch's power started to seriously decline, and Parliament gained the upper hand. That event was very good for the country
>>53318633
During that time we were still a republic.
I think our system resembles the American one a lot.Our parliament is the house of representatives, which are directly elected by the people.
Our senate aren't elected by the people, but by politicians from the twelve provincial states.
The only role of the senate is to check if new laws are legal and constitutional.
>>53316571
No. Then you're choosing some dickhead that is already wealthy, to be the semi-dictator of a country and was chosen by God to do so.
Do you believe that?
It's cool to have some tough battle-hardened leaders of the kingdom when you're reading history books, but nowadays it has no use at all and is the most anti-democratic thing one can imagine.
I feel sorry for the Austrian and greek nobles. they are'nt recognised by their own nation. And the greek king lives in sad solace in an apartement rented to him by the daughter of the man who threw him out.
>>53318761
Oh wait, it doesn't work like that in America lel. Our parliament is like the British parliament. Not the house of representatives.
>>53318445
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Finland_(1742)
Finns weren't interested so it came out as a wet fart.
>>53318761
>>53318883
It's closer to the original American system than the one that exists today. Today the US Senate is directly elected by the people, but before 1913 it was elected by politicians from state legislatures.
>>53317730
>What's your job?
>Well my job is having a door slammed in my face on national tv.
>So, you're a comedian?
>No, I'm in service of the Queen.
>ah, you're the court jester
>>53318901
based Aarni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCOlwpQPJIk
>>53319282
He has a real job being in charge of security in the Lords. That ceremony isn't the only thing he does
>>53316764
>The Spaniards brought back theirs after decades without one.
Uh, no.
>>53317177
House of Borbón-Franco ofc.
>>53317129
>Our royal family has paid taxes since the 90s
wew lad
>>53316672
craven?
>>53317075
>It's a joke when everyone pays taxes to fund some random family that marries local peasants.
how do you think england works?
>>53317226
>I think monarchs play an important role in the stability of a nation
mr cuck flag
>>53317234
>stepping up political assassination big time
* NASHEED PLAYS *
>allah u akbar
boom
jerseyfag plz
>>53317390
>They are still above the law.
Revealed: The obscure law that allows Prince Charles to set off nuclear bombs without fear of criminal punishment
John Kirkhope's research paper reveals Prince Charles' legal benefits
The Prince of Wales is also exempt from breaching Data Protection Act
Special privileges thanks to his title as Duke of Cornwall
Dr Kirkhope is a visiting research fellow at University of Plymouth
By Joseph Curtis For Mailonline
Published: 14:49, 27 December 2015 | Updated: 04:53, 28 December 2015
An obscure law allows the Prince of Wales to set off nuclear bombs without fear of punishment, a new study has revealed.
Prince Charles is also exempt from punishment for breaching the Data Protection Act and has better legal protection over his properties than other landowners.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3375397/The-obscure-law-allows-Prince-Charles-set-nuclear-bombs-without-fear-criminal-punishment.html
>Monarchists will defend this
>>53317469
>aw nobody actually knows how rich they are.
>The grandmother of our King used to have 25% of the stocks in Royal Dutch Shell.
the queen of england owns most of the other half.
half dutch half brit just like the drugs and banking.
>>53317607
>don't forget the tourism it brings
for americans to laugh rightfully at your shitty little country
>>53317681
>I think modern western democracy is a fucking sham desu.
like great emperor, monarchy is cause of corruption and scamming along with the masons.
>>53317730
why do hate freedom?
>>53320465
>Revealed: The obscure law that allows Prince Charles to set off nuclear bombs without fear of criminal punishment
Our constitution simply states: "The King is inviolable. The ministers are responsible"
So it's always someone elses head.
>>53318932
>It's closer to the original American system than the one that exists today. Today the US Senate is directly elected by the people, but before 1913 it was elected by politicians from state legislatures.
Not everyone had the vote it wasn't trusted that the poor or women could have a say of course this is wrong, anyway
look up rotten boroughs for how this system was historically abused.
>>53317875
>they made an example of the royalty and cut their expenses
they increased them here and the allowances of our politicians whilst making cuts in the recession.
>>53317730
which means nothing as she can still effectively dissolve parliament at any time, all politicians must swear allegiance to her and their is a chamber of unelected lords chosen by the queen to rule britain upon which the populace have no control.
In this unelected group we have several rothschilds and the head of british petroleum. and thats just being conservative.
"Travelling incognito, the Queen wore a raincoat, headscarf and glasses as she took the one and a half mile trip around the grounds of a stately home in Hampshire's New Forest.
The Queen, wrapped in a grey raincoat, was visiting the home of her friend Leopold de Rothschild, who drove the small engine.
The 80-year-old merchant banker is a keen railway enthusiast and shares his passion for steam with the Queen.
John Anderson who showed her the progress made by a Yew tree she planted four years ago."
>yewtree
>operation yewtree
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/1927022/The-Queen-enjoys-train-ride-in-disguise.html
Operation Yewtree is a police investigation into sexual abuse allegations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree
Prince Andrew’s 'sex slave' claims he was involved in underage orgy with paedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein and eight young girls
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/prince-andrews-sex-slave-claims-5021204
>>53320465
>for americans to laugh rightfully at your shitty little country
>your
So you're not British then. What are you? American?
>>53316571
I used to be against the theater play thing, but it's the only real nationalistic thing that's still not banned. For a nationalistic country like Greece or France it's not necessary.
Although the cuckening of Sweden kind of disproves all of the above.
>>53317177
The House of Orléans is the only possible legitimate one. Also one Spaniard ruling the country is enough already, we don't need a second one.
>>53317537
Somewhat.
Any good system needs a part that can go tell the rest of the system to go fuck itself when it messes up badly.
>>53316764
> decades without one
> decades
>>53321259
>In this unelected group we have several rothschilds and the head of british petroleum. and thats just being conservative.
That group, alongside the rest of the nobility, is the sole reason UK has not been trying to get into EU.
And why there is a large anti EU pressure in UK, even when most of the normal politicans want to join the EU to get another 5-10 years of cushy Pension sitting in Brussel.
>>53316571
Too late, royal family was kicked out :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>53321406
Come on Yann, it can't be that bad :3
>>53317696
We had dozens lad. That's why every mick claims to be descended from Kings.
I would like a non-hereditary King/President for life/25 years with veto powers over legislation.
Finland, be a part of our glorious kingdom :3333
BOURBON WILL RULE THE WORLD
>>53316571
Our nobles were stripped of everything they had, any land, any money any names etc.
Fugging gommunism will do that to you :DDDDDDDD
>>53316995
Not searching for coal but drilling for oil I see.
