People who say that South America belongs to the western world are crazy...
Oh look, it's this thread again
it's been only 16 hours since the last identical thread, so I think we are ready for a new one
thanks poland, this board is great thanks to you
>>53044691
Nobody seriously says that do they?
>>53044691
American education map.
>>53044691
Papua New Guinea, best member of western civilization
love this map
>>53044756
>>53044796
Brazil is closer to Africa though?
>>53044911
Like Japan, we're just BR.
>>53044911
So are Australia and New Zealand
>>53044794
Canada is still majority Anglo colony Hans, step off nigga
>>53044911
of course, we uga buga now
excuse me now, I have to take my pet hyena for a walk
>>53044944
>>53044971
I meant culturally/racially?
>>53044972
>Canada is still majority Anglo
You mean it should belong to the "Islamic" category then?
You're using the old map again, here's the latest one.
>>53044975
Nice
>>53044691
I'm pretty sure that a Slovenian and a Serb have more in common than a Sicilian and a Finn
>>53044886
Kazakhstan which is 70% Muslim, Northern Caucasus which is Muslim or Pagan, Russian Asia which is Pagan and Buddhist are all "Orthodoxy Civilisation", top kek. Buy more ice.
>>53045024
lolno
>>53045024
racially we are less than 15% african DNA, nearly the same as the US.
culturally, well, I guess we have ~1% african religions?
>>53045046
Only Quebec, you francophones and your love for darkies
>>53044824
Only if by nobody you mean nobody with an IQ lower than 80 with zero information about history. Learn what the term ''western world'' originally stands for. That is, unless you prefer to just come up with your own definitions, in that case, don't let facts stands on your way.
>>53045101
>>53045121
That's not what Argentinians say
>>53045024
Less than 8% blacks. But the "africanists" like to say that they are the majority. For them, every mixed person here is black. No matter which race it is.
>>53045217
>taking anything argies on /int/ say seriously
Do you also blindly believe on everything Australians say?
>>53045121
So what you have 15% african DNA? You have fucking 85% of native DNA.
The classification of this map is pretty absurd, I'm glad most sources of actual researchers on the topic contradict it.
I mean, New Zealand has more native influence than Uruguay, saying they are western and Uruguay isn't is just like saying you can only be western if you are developed.
Actually, not even that, since Uruguay has HDI on par with Latvia. Maybe they are not western because they speak spanish then? Hard to know for sure.
>>53044691
>Jamaica
>Latin America
>>53045217
>>53045214
What 'facts'? Latinos only had to convert to catholism and get colonized by southern euros to be considered western? If that's the case so are parts of Africa and Asia
>>53045303
>Let me talk about your country.
Search again.
>>53045310
Race is the primary determination for being part of the western world. AFAIK New Zealand is majority white. Uruguay is mostly mestizo.
>>53045303
>So what you have 15% african DNA? You have fucking 85% of native DNA.
Source: anon's butthole
>>53045303
where did you get that? did you eat a rotten potato?
Anyway, here's a pic to help you out of your ignorance, keep in mind most of brazil's population is in the southeast.
The overall DNA is roughly 15% black, 14% native, 1% asian, 70% caucasian
>>53045297
>>53045347
Why would they lie?
>>53045407
Then why is philipines and fucking PNG mostly western in op's pic?
>>53044975
Your pic is so based. Hyenas should be really dangerous, I wouldn't approach one for sure. They are so scary, more scary than lions or bears.
>>53045407
Uruguay isn't mostly mestizo, are you really that ignorant? Why do you talk about stuff you don't know so much? New Zealand actually has a bigger native population and native DNA mix than Uruguay.
>>53045510
So Brazil is 70% white?
Lol wtf
>>53045514
Argies are the biggest shitposters in this part of the world m8
>>53045514
Why would anyone lie about anything?
>>53045561
"""""""""white"""""""""""""""""
>>53045561
I don't get why it's so surprising, even the blacks in Brazil have around 30% european DNA.
Not to mention entire cities where whites are the majority:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xcun7W2l6E
Did you think the entire country was Rio de Janeiro?
>>53045561
Actually, according to the last census it's 47%
>>53044691
There is nothing like Brazil. All of our neighbors will agree.
>>53045354
You talk like people here were native rape babies. Most of Brazil/Argentina/Uruguay are descendants of immigrants.
>>53045561
Genetically speaking? Yes, probably even more. Keep in mind that we have a somwehat big jewish ancestry too, specially considering the first settlers.
>>53044691
> Papua New Guinea
A question about Brazil. There are macaws there, right?
If you live in a rural are, do you see them? Is there a way to keep one (or a dozen) as a pet so that it flies wherever the fuck it wants and sometimes comes back to you? They're amazing but I wouldn't keep one in a house.
>Capitalist
Check
>Christian
Check
>Republic
Check
>Democracy
Check
>Consumes and produces western media
Check
>Lives up to western morals
Check
>>53044691
this is a meme map
>>53045631
>>53045561
yes, precisely. I wouldn't call it white since a lot of our european background is southern europe like Italy and Portugal. For instance, those people in my pic are brazilians who scored 100% european in 23andme DNA test, but wouldn't be considered white for /int/ standards (and some could easily not identify themselves as white here in Brazil, but rather, pardo/mixed just because of skin color).
>>53045638
It looks like your definition of white is very "broad".
Curly hair, very tanned skin, big lips, dark eyes, manlet height. These are white characteristics kekkkkk
>>53045561
70% european, but most of our european heritage is portuguese and portuguese aren't that white to begin with
pic related, a guy who is over 90% european genetically
>>53045735
Only time I saw one was in argentina, but I live in the south, perhaps in the north or some rural areas they have it.
>>53045303
>le mitochondrial DNA meme
>>53045715
The Queen is their head of state and therefore they're all white.
>>53045753
I'd say Brazilian blacks working hard for a living and having normal families are whiter than fucking Albanians or Gypsies.
>>53045735
Most araras are illegal to keep, i think.
My grandmother has a few. They sometimes flew to the forest that encircles my city, but always came back to her. They're pretty cool pets
>>53045735
They are endangered and you can't legally have them without a permit from the government.
I assume in the Amazon some people have it
>>53045735
I live in Rio and I see them every morning from my balcony.
> Is there a way to keep one (or a dozen) as a pet so that it flies wherever the fuck it wants and sometimes comes back to you?
Not that I'm aware of.
>They're amazing but I wouldn't keep one in a house.
Good.
>>53045765
Our definition of white is simply caucasian, Portuguese are as white as Lebanese and Germans. Caucasians arr rook the same.
Pic related, it's a Lebanese Brazilian.
>>53044691
BRAZIL IS WESTERN!
BRAZILIANS ARE AMERICAN TOO!
BRAZIL IS AMERICA TOO!
>>53045744
>Favelas
Check
>Poverty
Check
>Black culture (samba, carnival, capoeira)
Check
>Corruption
Check
>Crime
Check
>Tropical climate
Check
>Lazy and ineffective people
Check
>Inequality
Check
Sounds helluva western world!
>>53045354
You know, the 'facts' that the term ''western world' was created in the 15th century when Europeans first begin to trade with Asia, Asia was called ''the east'', and therefore Europe became known as ''the west'' because its 'west' from Asia. 'The east' or 'eastern culture' is characterized with Budhism, Hindium and Confusionism, 'European culture', or aka ''western culture' is based on christianity, or in particular judeo-christian values. Later when Europeans colonized the Americas, those same Europeans populated the new continents. In the 18/19th century, when the US became the dominant super power, for them the ''west'' was the two Americas, they invented their own ''west'' to separate themselves from Europe, it's even written in the Monroe Doctrine, it stated that any European country that attacks any country from the ''western world'' aka the two Americas will be considered an attack against the US. Fast forward to the cold war, you have capitalism and democracy against socialism and communism. The ''western bloc'' aka US controlled capitalist states, vs 'eastern block' aka Soviet controlled socialist states, Turkey being part of the Western bloc, Germany being part of the eastern, it should've been called capitalist world vs communist world but it became more convinient since most of the capitalist countries were on the western part anyway. So here we are today, cold war over, people have their own definitions and understanding of western world, they have no clue what is west and what is east.
sabe pa los westerns
>>53045902
>Favelas
checked
>Poverty
Poland is poor and is western too, but checked
>Black culture
meme shit to attract tourists
>corruption
check
>tropical climate
australia is tropical and western
>lazy and innefective people
so are italians and spanish
>inequality
check
>>53045765
> tfw curly hair
> white skin
> brown eyes
> 5"10
I'm not white according to the memes
Can we just agree that they aren't western but they are bros unlike middle easterners Africans or Asians?
>>53045751
It is. Check westerntugal
>>53045902
so with black culture you are disqualified? take USA off that list
Corruption? take Italy out.
Hot climate? take australia out
and I could just keep going, but it's useless because if you truly believed we were 85% native people here it just proves how completely clueless and ignorant you are about the matter.
>>53045902
>carnival is black culture
Brazil is the future ultimate global superpower. We will lead the Western world into a new era.
>>53046023
I'm good enough with whatever definition. But outside /pol/ and /int/ I go with the definition of people with PhD in this topic.
just to quote the standard definition
"The term originally had a literal geographic meaning. It contrasted Europe with the linked cultures and civilizations of the Middle East and North Africa, South Asia, Southeast Asia and the remote Far East, which early-modern Europeans saw as the East. Today this has little geographic relevance since the concept of the West has been expanded to include the former European colonies in the Americas, Russian Northern Asia, Australia, and New Zealand.
In the contemporary cultural meaning, the phrase "Western world" includes Europe, as well as many countries of European colonial origin with substantial European ancestral populations in the Americas and Oceania.[8]"
>>53045902
>samba, carnival
>black culture
>Lazy and ineffective people
>Poland
lel
>>53046148
Isn't it?
>>53045888
>>53045868
>>53045849
They are so fucking clever. Better than half of /int desu. Good to see you look after them.
I don't mind keeping a stupid cat in an apartment, but not a macaw or rat, because they're smart enough to feel boredom.
The one I used to know should be in California now, of course it's not as good as rainforest but way better than Moscow.
>>53046204
Carnaval came from France or Italy.
Don't remember correctly.
>>53045945
The iron curtain fell along time ago brah definitions change nobody seriously talks about Latin America as the west
>>53046153
Yes, we and our pet hyenas shall rule what's left of western civilization.
Soon
>>53045902
Most western countries have these just to a less degree, with the exception of the tropical climate (which doesn't even apply to most latam)
You're basically saying that the difference between western or not is whether the country is developed. In which case eastern europe lel
>>53046269
pakistan isn't west either
just my 2 cents
>>53046204
Carnival has existed for hundred of years in Europe. The one we have here is mostly a descedant of the Italian street carnival.
>>53046307
Duh
>>53046294
Is there any South American country richer than Eastern Europe?
>>53046269
in Europe: western = first world
in science, western has a slightly more complex definition, that includes most of the americas.
>>53046204
Ever heard of Mardi gras, m8? I think even in Catholic Germany they celebrate carnival
>>53046204
> Black Venice
> Black Rome
> Black Nederland
>>53046192
>In the contemporary cultural meaning, the phrase "Western world" includes Europe, as well as many countries of European colonial origin with substantial European ancestral populations in the Americas and Oceania.[8]"
So we are western?
>>53046365
Brazil is richer than every single eastern european country
>>53046328
legit.and i'm not even butthurt that you allocated poland to eastern europe
>>53046269
You are wrong tho. Most people from the MIddle east, Asia and Africa take latin America (shitty term tho) as western. While we, specially Brazilians, tend to see ourselves as something apart and unique.
>>53046269
and yet, it is. Their culture is based on European culture, they are decendent from Europe. IF South America is not to be considered part of western world, then North america should also not be considered. There is no cultural difference between both, other than the fact that North America is richer, Southern is poorer.
>>53046365
in GDP per capita São Paulo is as rich as Slovakia, and Paraná is as rich as Poland
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/06/comparing-brazilian-states-countries
>>53046416
But your currency is bananas, monkey :). How can you measure wealth with bananas?
>>53046328
If Greece is western so should Poland be
>>53046469
This is temporary, while cleaning toilets for gringos isn't.
>>53046337
I stand corrected always thought it was a black thing
>>53046328
>Japan and Indonesia have the same culture
>Argentina and Uruguay are the same as Honduras and Costa Rica
Hurr durr arr rook the same
>>53046429
Who cares about arab, black or gook opinion? The white world decides who's western or not. In this case you're not western
>>53046469
t. pumbler
>>53046365
GDP? Both Brazil and Mexico are huge economies and Argentina is literally one spot below Poland.
GDP per capita? Argentina, Uruguay both are higher than Croatia and other eastern euros like Romania.
HDI? We're above Croatia, Latvia, fucking Portugal.
>>53046469
In the same way you measure things with partitions
>>53046429
>>53046431
They formed their own cultures and have more native ancestry come on
>>53046411
If this is your topic of study in university, the consensus is that Argentina is western. But in casual conversation with Europeans, western = first world, so you aren't. Americans can go both ways, most I met in real life consider latin america as western.
>>53046328
If you're going to use the cold war map, shouldn't Turkey be part of the western world, and Germany part of the eastern? Ridiculous idiot. There is no cultural difference between western, southern northern and eastern Europe, all of Europe have judeo-chrritian values, which is what the so called 'western culture' means. You are entitled to your own opinion, NOT YOUR OWN FACTS. You can't just make up history.
>>53046469
> Poles trying to banter Brazilians
Lol.
>>53046534
Why are you in this discussion then?
>>53046516
It's a common misconception. The same goes to samba, which people tend to link with the africans rather than the Portuguese immigrants.
>>53046328
desu the southern cone is much more like an underdevolped italy than "latin" as in the sense of colombia, cuba or others.
>>53046431
>There's no cultural differences between NA and Latin America
Nigga you serious?
>>53046516
In your defense, nowadays carnival is mostly practiced by black people. I also thought it was black culture when younger.
>>53046598
>uneducated folks opinions
literally who gives a fuck
>>53046594
what culture have their formed? please englighten me. yes, it is true that they have more native people, but if you wanna count that, then surely America has the most non-Europeans of all, therefore the US should be not part of the western world, no?
>>53045792
>parada de taipas
>mfw this dude is a neighbor
I have to say congratulations to the Pole who made this thread. It's always guaranteed replies, no bait fishes latin americans as well as this.
>>53046665
>>53046665
we probably have more in common with the states than with other central american countries, beside the language (for now)
>>53046713
>Canada with a foreign head of state, billinguil English/French speaking, Protestant/Anglican majority is culturally the same as Cuba or Uruguay
Right then
>>53046784
This board is very very shit. might as well make juice out of the lemons we have and try to have a meaningful conversation.
>>53046665
Absolutely. Some countries in SA are poorer, less civilized and all that, NA are richer, more civilized, but both are populated by the same people, with the same religion, same customs. Other than being poorer, i don't see any big cultural difference between Brazil and the US. You have minor differences, just like you have cultural difference between western, southern, eastern and northern Europe too.
>>53046526
>Japan and Indonesia have the same culture
just like italy and germany don't have the same culture but are still both part of the western world
>>53046665
I don't know what he meant, but to be honest the native influence in Argentina and Uruguay is on the same level as native influence in the USA. It's hard to compare to countries like bolivia who are borderline tribe people.
>>53046603
>shouldn't Turkey be part of the western world
kek no
>>53046833
What's the difference? One being more educated, english speaking, the other one being less educated, spanish speaking. You have that same differece even within the US itself.
>>53046845
>but both are populated by the same people, with the same religion, same customs
You've clearly never been. Canada is further away from Mexico then we are to the Dutch
>>53046594
>native ancestry
Explain this then:
http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/estatistica/populacao/censohistorico/1550_1870.shtm
http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/estatistica/populacao/censohistorico/1872_1920.shtm
http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/estatistica/populacao/censohistorico/1940_1996.shtm
>>53046857
Yeah but Germany and Italy share similar values and their history is related to one another.
Japan and Indonesia have literally NOTHING in common with each other, it's like comparing Italy to Saudi Arabia
>>53046435
>>53046435
Russia has places with higher GDP per capita than Norway and Moscow has comparable GDP capita to Holland.
>>53046953
>language and general prosperity aren't facets of culture
There is more than that and you know it
>>53046912
I see, if we're gonna make up our own definintions then, then i say Italy is not part of the western world, because it was facist in the past.
>Poland
>white
Can some european enlighten me:
Is Belarus that different from Latvia for Latvia to be part of western world and Belarus not?
Is Serbia more similar to Kazakhstan than to Croatia, culturally?
Why is Greece more culturally like russia and not with Italy?
>>53047055
>Argentina
>not mestizo
>>53047020
those are mainly low populated places
brazil's most populated state is comparable to slovakia, thats not bad
>>53047012
well, you may have a point here, i thought i should have probably split that "asian" part in east asian and south east asian, but then i thought that would have been too autistic
>>53046867
But Americas population is significantly higher and you're more mixed at the moment
>>53047020
Yeah, but nowadays, Russia is poorer than Brazil in per capita terms due to the devaluation of the ruble. Even tho the real had a very bad year too.
>>53047038
turkey has literally no reason to be considered west
just because it holds a few possessions in europe it doesn't make it western
>>53047035
I know, that's why generalize by saying a common European culture, you can find a lot of cultural differences between the regions of Europe, but overall compared to other parts of the world, there is a common base, which is what we call European culture, also known as western culture. South and North America have cultural differences the same way, even US and Canada have cultural differences, that doesn't mean they don't have the same culture at its core.
>>53047178
I know it doesn't, did you read my comment? You did not include eastern europe even thought they are part of the western world. So if you're going to use the cold war map, why not use the full one?
>>53047266
would you consider russia to be western?
>>53047124
The mix in Brazil has little influence of amerindians.
>>53047035
General prosperity has little to do with culture, specially when talking about the Americas.
>>53047098
nobody?
I want to understand the border between the western and the orthodox world, it's not making much sense to me
>>53047102
>Moscow
>Saint Petersburg
>low population place
Retard alert.
Moscow is wealthier than São Paulo and Parana combined, despite having the same amount of people as Parana.
Russia is a Germanic country.
>>53047167
Russians will always be 2x wealthier than Brazilians.
>>53046328
10/10
>>53047490
are you the russiaboo brazilian that is getting famous here for always praising russia?
>>53047193
So the Philippines is western to you I'm guessing. Also subtle difference, Canada and America were founded by anglos then got many German/Irish immigrants the following centuries but stayed pretty much homogeneously European until recently. Latin America was conquered by southern euros who didn't genocide nearly as much and bred with indigenous peoples adopting both cultures
>>53047124
While I do get we are far more mixed than murrica, I still don't get how that makes us less western than them. Jesuits always tried to convert and teach natives how to read from the beginning, most African practices have been ostracized and still are up to this date. After the malê revolt, most islamist in the country were converted, and today they don't make 0.5% of our population. We got influences from arabs, japs, africans, a wee bit of natives, but all of them pale in comparison with the European one.
>>53047490
i was talking about the other oblasts
moscow has the biggest amount of billionaries in any city of the whole word, of course they are rich
>>53047490
>Russia is a Germanic country
masoq
>>53047312
Russia is a European country with a European culture, therefore it is part of the western world, as the western world means Europe and European culture. it is not up for me to decide, you can't just choose which part of history to believe and then make up the rest. That' why we have dictionaries and history text books, so that we all agree on the definitions of the words we use, otherwise i can say Europe but mean Africa, it doesn't work that way. Let me remind you that communism and capitalism are both European inventions. If France became communist all of a sudden and start surpressing its people and agressive toward others, would France stop being part of the western world? I don't think so.
>>53047585
You are putting a lot of the countries in a retard blob. I think you should either don't emit an opinion and read what people are writing here or go seek some knowledge. No hard feelings.
>>53047585
gentle reminder that not all country is the same, Uruguay for instance had nearly no natives in the land before european arrival.
Por que os foristas brasileiros estãi ficando tão butthurt?
Tomar no cu, são newfags?
Essa é a 1672773 thread do mesmo assunto e está com +100 posts.
>>53047383
Of course prosperity is a facet of culture look at poor Maryland southern pride bullshit compared to upstate new York, West Germany looking down on East Germany, North Italians and southern Italians, the posh upper class and working class here developted their own arts, greetings and music. Money definitely influences culture
>>53047585
I don't think Philippines is western country because they have different culture prior to adopting christianity. It's not just about adopting christianity, Europe had centuries of Roman and Greek ideas and influences. Also, South America got pretty much the same amount of EUropean immigrants as NA, the only difference is that their economic system was terrible so they didn't advanced as fast as the US and Canada. You cant deny that even the US is very different from Europe.
>>53047693
but we have different goverments who are striking against each other for different interests (yes, even if the cold war is over), it's not only a matter of the soviet period
(and to say it all russia wasn't even considered really european until the 18 century)
>>53047585
Your problem is that you think every country in latin america is the same.
Learn more about latin american history before trying to lecture us about our own countries m8.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Latin_America
>>53047641
Moscow Oblast(not Moscow capital), has more people than Santa Catarina and still has higher GDP per capita than Santa Catarina itself.
And Russia is basically a failed broke country.
So to put it simply, having a region with a GDP per capita comparable to Slovakia is not impressive.
In conclusion: it's mostly due to european ignorance of south america.
As we saw, some of them think we are borderline africa >>53044911 and others that we are 85% tribesman >>53045303 , when confronted with the truth they find any other reason they can to not have to change their opinion on the topic, after all, what are they to change their opinion based on evidence? Scientists?
>>53047599
Jesuits were pussies though and were forgiving and less stern than American and Canadian residential schools
>>53047709
>>53047787
>>53047998
I don't think you're all the same but you're all different from North America and Europe
>>53047998
>Read about the most irrelevant continent on the planet
Haha
No thanks
>>53047974
Again, so? That doesn't change the fact that Russia is European culture that got the same amount of Roman-Greek influence everybody else. If you wanna gang against them and all them poor savages, thats fine, but you can't take away the fact they are European country with European culture and therefore are western by definition. An by the way Russia was always European even before Scandinavia became European, it is the eastern part of Russia that became part of Russia only after the 18th century.
>>53048221
Who "you" exactly? Bolivia? Mexico? Argentina?
You don't seem to get the point.
>>53048221
so is, for example, italy from sweden, spain from britain and so on
>>53048071
Well you can't blame me, every Brazilian here role plays as a black guy trying to fuck white women and posts cuckold ahit
>>53048257
>2nd biggest country on earth
>known for being 51th state of the usa and having lots of chinks
it's ok lee
>>53048278
>If you wanna gang against them and all them poor savages
but i never said that, i don't disregard russia nor eastern europe, i just find it hard to consider it west
>>53048257
If you prefer to be ignorant, good for you, just don't try to lecture sudacas about their own continent without knowing a single thing about it
>>53047837
Now compare the african Rio de Janeiro to the Germanic/Italian Santa Catarina, or the wealthier catholic Irish and the brits, the Saudis to the Jordanians...etc. There's much more to it than this, specially when you try to justify the comparative wealthy of the US or Canada to a supposed cultural supremacy regarding LA, when the UK itself was relegate to pirates because it wasn't able to compete with the spanish wealth.
>>53048308
Or even more obvious eatern europe, the balkans and the baltic countries.
If fucking Serbia/Latvia/Romania is counsidered western, we fucking are then too.
How the fuck is Croatia more like Spain than we do?
>>53048071
Protip: You are so insecure that it's fucking easy to bait.
Just create a thread about this and "is X region of Latin America is white?" and you get guaranteed replies
>>53048301
>>53048308
I stand by my point. Italy is closer to Sweden than Argentina to Sweden because they are European and western and have many mutual goals regarding their continent
>>53048340
kek, I guess your right on that one, I pretended to be black a few times for the jokes also
>>53048340
That's just beta whites pretending to be black because "muh BBC"
>>53048143
Well nigga, what I'm trying to say is although we do have some native influence, it's so little that you almost don't notice it besides food and the names of some places. From the start the Portuguese were imposing their culture as the dominant one here, the son of the Portuguese King with a monarch of the house of Habsburg-Lothrigen continued to follow suit, as did his successors.
>>53048378
>Known for being poor
>>53048413
I don't think about any of you enough to lecture anyone about you, Alberto
>>53048455
where?
southern brazil and the southern cone share a religion with italy (catholic christianity), share the same food, are more similar genetically and both speak romance languages
>>53048340
It's just banter
>>53048401
based on what? There is absolutely nothing that distinguishes that particular region from all the other regions in Europe. The only differene is the cold war which put a big status separation, but in terms of culture, there is ZERO difference. I have been to Greece and i have talked to many many greeks here in Bulgaria before, i see no difference in their way of thinking, the only difference i see is that they are richer. Same goes for italians by the way, i have been told the same by italians here. If you are going to separete Europe, it should be North and South, that is the most visible cultural difference in my opinion.
You are pretending you care about being Westerm, right?
Can you explain to me this amount of butthurt, please.
>>53048455
If you're saying that distance matters, Australia and NZ shouldn't be western
>>53048455
We're closer to Spain and Italiy than the baltics and some of the balkans. Are these last ones euro?
>>53048545
at least we have some culture, even if its shit
>>53048594
You know nobody cares about it. Actually, you know that Brazilians don't care about anything but themselves, this thread is proof of it. I myself wouldn't be here if Brazil wasn't mentioned.
>>53048594
I don't care about being western. I'm just bored and pointing out facts is fun
>>53048660
this
>>53048545
>Known for being poor
Pretty sure almost everyone in this planet can name some cultural points from Brazil, while I can't say the same of Canada.
>>53048639
>someone creates thread that in some way talks about brazilians
>90% of the posters are brazilians and normally they start flinging shit at each other
BRAZIL MENTIONED
An Italian will have to tell me he's closer to Latin Americans than other Europeans
>>53048762
he won't say that because of geographic distance, but culturally southern europe has more in common with south america than it scandinavia or eastern europe
>>53048762
shit tier b8 at this point of the discussion
>>53044691
>christian
>degenerate
>materialistic
>not western
they are western
>>53048738
Why do this happen? I think it's irrelevancy, let's be realists.
>>53048762
>>53048843
Because there's a thread where you can contribute.
Nearly 70% of the content of /int/ are generals. What the fuck are you going to talk about in, say, /MENA/?
>>53048880
Hong Kong has lots of British, means nothing
>>53048843
>I think it's irrelevancy, let's be realists.
Not really, it's just that I really really really like to talk about Brazil. I have no inferiority complex.
>>53048738
Basically.
>>53048944
Hong Kong has half of its population decend from the british?
>>53048843
because most threads are generals and ones about europe people automatically disregard my opinion because i`m brazilian, in threads about brazil i can contribute
>>53048944
but there are no cultural ties, unlike in south america with southern europe
>>53048944
Sure mate, Hong Kong is heavily influenced by the very big british community. Look at the percentages!! I would be surprised to see a chinaman there.
>>53048996
We colonized it and industrialized it. Are they British?
>>53049063
Are they christian? Do they eat british food? Is over half of its population descended from british? Do they sare a language group with britain?
>>53049055
Fine better example would be Canada or Australia. Are they British
Dejen de responderle los baits al pirata, no sean nabos.
>>53049157
No, but they are western.
>>53048944
If I go right now to /ita/, I'll understand at least 70% of what they're saying, maybe even be able to start a conversation with both using their respective native languages. Our constitution has been influenced by them, entire dialects have been influenced by them, São Paulo as we know it wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Italian immigrants,
Holy shit, I can't believe brazilians took the bait so hard
>>53049063
No. Your point?
Argentina is basically 45% spanish and 45% italian. We are catholic, capitalist, a republic, democratic, have higher HDI, GDP per capita and GDP than some eastern euro countries.
How are we NOT westener if, say, Romania/Latvia are?
>>53044691
>buddhist is nothing
hhheh
>>53049202
We just really really like to talk about Brazil
>>53044691
then you can say portugal and spain aren't western world either
also what's with eastern bloc? we're eastern
>>53048811
Southern europe has more in common with south-eastern europe than with north-eastern europe and Scandinavia.
>>53049204
Because they are and you're not
>>53048843
>I think it's irrelevancy, let's be realists.
It is.
Most Brazilian posters feel like it's their duty to impress gringos because they have this belief that no one respects Brazil. It's basically inferiority complex, that's why they keep trying to gain the approval or first worlders.
>>53049157
Do they have a strong cultural tie with Britain? Yes they do. And that's the whole point.
>>53049202
this >>53049235
We are an ultra patriotic people.
>>53049203
No, they are western like i said. Nobody claimed that Brazil is Italian or portuguese or anything like that. Stop pretending to be dumb. Latin America shares deep cultural ties with Southern Europe, thats what makes us "western", it doesn't makes us european and nobody in this thread claimed this
>>53049275
like what?
>>53049240
dude learn some history or gtfo. Are you budhist? hudu? believe in confusionism? yes? then you are eastern alright.
>>53049301
Okay, you are just a retard troll. Move on fattie.
>>53049301
>Romania
>Latvia
>RELEVANT
>>53048594
We're western.
Calling Brazil latin is very offensive. Don't mingle us with spics.
>>53049329
>Most Brazilian posters feel like it's their duty to impress gringos
not really, I just want to talk about my country
>>53049337
>Brazil
>Western
More like west African amirite
>>53049301
I am starting to think you are a shitposting paki
>>53049301
cant even troll anymore lel
>>53049337
like.. culture? When in Europe, the two most visible cultural differences are between Northern Europe(north-west, north-east) and Southern Europe(south-west, south-east). Ask anybody who is well traveled in Europe, or better yet, come and see for yourself.
>>53049429
>UK
>Western
More like west Pakistan lmao btfo
>>53044691
>>53049240
fix'd
>>53049512
south-eastern europe is heavily influenced by slavs, they are orthodox, don't speak romance languages and have different cuisines
I can only speak for Argentina cause I've only been there but they're very western in my opinion
>>53049424
>i-i'm just talking about my country!
Talking so much about something no one cares about and exaggerating facts about it is called low self-esteem.
>>53049553
I think it's trying to mimic western letters. I practised my Swahili if it'll make you more comfortable? Click click nuuuga boooga click
>>53049369
eastern /=/ middle or far easterner
buddhism and zoroastrianism was all over world deemed "islamic", nestorianism popular amongst mongols
>>53049597
Well, you're here talking with us, aren't you? That's not any different
>>53049597
Sure Freud, tell me more about myself
South America is not Western because it is not allied with the Western world politically (Western nations don't go to war with each other. Argentina/UK)
They're not western because they're mixed
They're not western because they're not developed
The western world ends at Eastern Germany
Who cares
>>53049672
العفو، أعتقد أنك عرفت الإنجليزية. اسمحوا لي أن الانخراط في اللغة التي كنت أكثر دراية
>>53049750
Never fucking reply to me again unless you`re contributing to the thread.
>>53049672
swahili is from eastern africa not west africa
dumb paki
>>53049730
what was WWII again?
>>53049597
In my opinion everything not related to Brazil is a "no one cares about" subject.
>>53049730
t. chink
How is Haiti not African?
>>53049730
>(Western nations don't go to war with each other. Argentina/UK)
What the fuck? Do you seriously think that european countries never fought eachother in the past?
>They're not western because they're mixed
Sweden shouldn't be western then :^)
>>53049786
And who the fuck do you think you are?
>>53049794
We're talking 21st century
>>53049878
Argentina didn't go to war with the UK in the 21st century
>>53049878
>Falklands war happened in the 21st century
>>53049809
>coxinha
>>53049580
do you just talk off your ass or you actually believe these things? Romania speaks romance language, Greeks don't speak Romance languace, Greek and Bulgaria are both orthodox. Dude, you need to travel more, better yet, you shouldn't have opinion on things you are clueless of.
>>53049730
Canada knows
>>53049794
You're the expert ;)
>>53049878
>Guerra das Malvinas
>21st century
>>53049956
Oops.
>>53049959
>Romania speaks romance language
Not him, but that's debatable. No one that speaks a romance language is able to understand them. BUt carry on with your discussion.
>>53049959
have you ever been to south america either?
i can understand all romance languages except romanian because they are mixed with slavs like i said
