How is nuclear energy perceived in your cuntry?
>>52751297
the devil
>>52751297
only "green party" aka hippies have a problem with it
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>>52751297
Ill choose state for this question since it depends.
California is retarded and build two of their reactors in really shitty places.
One reactor is one a fault line, and due to safety concerns it is being shut down (or has already?) so people are pretty ticked about nuclear.
also
>Muh natural gas
Rarely talked about, people are always more eager to bring up solar or fucking wind when discussing alternatives to oil, gas, and coal.
Most of those who have a problem with it think the plants are time bombs.
>>52751297
desu ive never heard any trouble about it, i feel we would be resistant to large scale nuclear programs, but nuclear plants are used all across Canada
>>52751297
top tier 2bh.
a lot of this country runs on hydro-electricity so it isnt talked about that much.
libtards dislike it because of >muh meltdowns and >muh nuclear waste, even though its more efficient than wind/solar.
>>52751531
>libtards dislike it because of >muh meltdowns and >muh nuclear waste, even though its more efficient than wind/solar.
isn't that the greens, senpai?
>>52751480
Huh, I lived in Edmonton for years and I didn't know the U of A had their own mini-reactor.
Most don't want it yet we export fuel big time.
>>52751297
There's no debate about it here for obvious reasons
https://youtu.be/OeHTziiFVx0?t=1m42s
I am loving it
>>52751297
I wish we had more. We could eliminate oil usage in the states outside of certain products that require it with a few hundred nuke plants. Although the plants are expensive to build and most of ours are old and outdated.
Tbhq some billionaires should build a bunch
>>52751394
>>52751531
The half-life of nuclear waste is measured in millennia. It is objectively awful for the world.
>>52752423
t. Big oil shill
>>52752465
Oil is almost as bad.
We need to seriously redesign our entire power production/acquisition system and to decrease wasteful Western lifestyles.
>>52752423
Nuclear energy is far safer for both humans and the nature than coal, oil and natural gas. It doesn't create massive scars in the Earth like oil fields, coal mining abd natural gas pumping does.
>>52752525
Are you retarded? Nuclear is the safest/most efficient way of producing energy. I'm talking about the new nuclear plant designs, not 50 year old nuclear plants.
As the only way
Around 17% of our electricity is produced by nulcear reactors. Most of regions are supplied by hydro plants but we are building some new nuclear plants in regioms whete there are not many rivers. We also keep nuclear wastes all around the world and btw created some new stuff of keeping it safe this year and this brings good money. France as far as i know pays to Rosatom for keeping nuclear wastes. We also built plants abroad. One in Vietnam, one i heard in Jordan, one in Turkey and there are also plans about northern Finland.
>>52752423
desu the amount of nuclear waste made from nuclear energy plants so far wouldn't fill the surface area of a football field
it is extremely efficient, and as long as the security and safety of the plant is the top priority, and the engineers and designers are aware of their geological are in terms of natural disasters, there shouldn't be any issue with nuclear energy.
I wonder what Ukraine thinks :^)
>>52753002
We will make fuel from wastes soon desu.
https://www.rt.com/news/188332-mox-nuclear-fuel-production/
>>52753095
It has the cheapest electricity in Europe thanks to nuclear and hydro plants build during soviet times. I mean literally 17 times cheaper than in Denmark.
People in general like it or aren't against it. Only ones who don't are greens and hippies but those are a small minority.
I guess we would like it much less if it didn't piss off Austrians and Germans so much.
>>52752423
coal produces more toxic waste than nuclear does
>>52752594
>producing
Perhaps.
However, the waste lasts for longer than empires exist.
>>52753002
And you'll dump it on native lands like you always do.
Fucking white "people".
>>52753929
>i'd rather inhale carbon emissions than have nuclear waste stored safely somewhere
>>52753987
>nuclear waste
>stored safely
See >>52753962
>>52752423
That means it's not dangerous, you cunt. If anything has a super short half life, be very afraid because that shit is HOT
Most burgers are like this piece of shit and are the reason why we waste our money on solar and wind while powering ourselves with coal.
I'm afraid to post in this thread because our government went full retard about it and people on the internet will assume it's the popular opinion as well when in reality it very much isn't because most people are sick and fucking tired of the so called Energiewende and the moronically high electricity prices.
>>52754015
You put it in a cask and it's no more radioactive than the background radiation you receive from the sun. Calm you titties.
>>52754032
Move to France? I would do so in your circumstances. Learn frog speak and work in the energy field.
>>52751464
They are.
>>52754032
How do Germans feel about being cucked by big french nuclear reactors
>>52751297
Questioning it is like questioning the holocaust.
Most people agree with it, but you will NEVER see a debate about it.
And greens think it is intelligent to try to stop the used fuel when it is moved.
>>52754044
But those casks aren't well protected. And again, they are stored on Native lands so white people don't have to deal with any potential cancers.
>>52754058
I'll become a tree hugging homosexual before I move to fucking France.
>>52754077
>But those casks aren't well protected
educate yourself m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OBO4
>>52754077
Nigga, they're solid concrete casks that are either stuck in the ground on the grounds of the reactor.
You're the reason why we're falling behind China and fucking India in the nuclear race. Go to Canada if you love indians so much.
>>52751297
Literally the best kind of power. Europeans seem to think that nuclear power is bad and Germans prefer coal power plants over nuclear ones because they have to do something with that coal.
Yes it is better, cleaner, and self sustaining for much longer.
I see the benefits.
The only reason nuclear has a bad name is because of bad management and cutting corners in the name of operation costs which leads to incredible disasters like the tsunami in Japan and Chernobyl.
The thing is that when corporate interest gets involved and the name of the game is profit corners will get cut and greedy decisions will be made.
Therefore I wouldn't put it past humans to cause yet another meltdown.
>>52754115
80% of their energy is nuclear
They're dirty, surrendering, and rude, but dammit their energy plan is phenomenal.
>>52754116
>>52754139
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-talk-reservations-about-toxic-waste/
>>52754153
And we keep their wastes. Win-win.
Oh yeah. It's perfect. This radioactive shit in the ocean which will eventually reach every coast is wonderful for us. Jesus we are far enough along enough in science to figure out something more simple.
>>52754245
what is dilution for 200
>>52754232
That's barbaric shit. We keep them under ground in thick bunkers. In hundreds/thousands kms from the nearest settlement.
>>52754277
Be sure to keep it away from underground water or you might pollute the water supply.
>nobody responds to me ITT.
Fuck you dudes.
>>52754277
If memory serves, the Americans had a plan for something similar. A mountain full of toxic sludge with warning signs designed to be read, somehow, by people 10000 years from now.
Then it got defunded and isn't happening any more.
>>52754268
Good question. Why don't you tell me? Japanese boats have been spotted off of the California coast in the recent months.
For 2 years it was leaking off of Japan at the rate of 600 Olympic swimming pools per day.
>>52754302
>what is bunker
We don't just burry them. There is also a comolex procedure of deactivation. In future we will be able to produce new fuel from it.>>52753128
>>52754308
fag haters
We like it because Germans and Austrians hate it.
>>52754308
(You)
>>52754327
>Radioactive El Nino
What have we done?
>>52754327
>radiation measures in centimeters
>>52754315
>be future archelogist
>dig out a place full of warning signs
>lucky, gotta be a tomb of ancient president this much warning about curses
>shit, it's radioactive waste disposal site
>develop severe radiation sickness
>get transplanted into superhuman cyborg body thanks to Obamacare
>>52754454
Never go full retard, Justin.
>>52751297
Most people are against it, fucking retarded
>>52751297
Nuclear is the shit
T. Supplier of 1/10th of nuclear power in the US.
>>52753128
France already does this. We were going to do it but we didn't because of some bullshit nuclear non-proliferation stuff
>>52754652
We have two nuclear power plants for 5.5 million people and wonder why do we have to import electricity.
>>52754765
What's their power/capacity?
>>52754880
19 TWh
we consume 28
Brussels made us shut down two reactors to let us into EU.
>>52755104
Our 177Wh of nuclear plants supply 26mln people.
>>52755209
They are bulding two new reactor units in one and planning to build another in the other.
Depending on final output of the later we could end up generating 35 TWh, more than enough for us, but those EU ascension shutdowns really set us back.
>>52755324
Why does EU do it? You already have rediculosly high electricity prices and they want you to pay even more? Or do they want you to buy "german" gas that flows in 2 nord streams? Fukcing germans. We are building somr brand new reactors, around a 10 across the county and will up percentage of nuclear power up to 30% soon.
>>52755391
i think its jsut german forced overly retarded safety protocols that cost you an arm and a leg in the nuclear power industry
luckily our government is reasonable and we live off a dozen, maybe even 15 in a 35m pop. country
>>52755803
Fuck off Pierre.
>>52755830
lol what
>>52751297
Bunch of retards voted against it in a referendum so we can't build nuclear power plants so we buy energy from France that has them 10 km from our border
Fucking idiots
>>52755951
>we can't build nuclear power plants
lol yuropoors
>>52751297
King Emperor Merkel said shut it down, so we shut it down. Nevermind that it's not only costing us billions to replace our nuclear power, but because contracts with the corporations running the plants were broken, they're also getting paid compensations of in the hundred million euros.
>>52756071
Well we voted for it... twice actually so we can only blame ourselves
>>52751297
the green party in my country hates it and have almost banned it altogether, so instead we import coal from germany
sweden, YES
>>52751297
Most of people are against it.
We don't have uran because russians in commie times mined whole and sended from poland to CCCP.
But we still have a lot of coal, so we should invest in modern non-emision coal plants.
>>52756186
Just buy our or australian uran, what's the problem?
>>52751297
>literally the only good source of green energy
>greentards hate it
Most people don't mind it though.
>>52756186
>non-emision coal plants
how does that even work?
do you put the smoke into plastic bags?
>>52756528
Nope, a lot of filters and machines who's catching and destroy bad things in air, like NO2 or SO3.
It emits only cloud of water.
Renewable is better in the long run... So it's better to invest in that. Seems obvious enough for me. Yes nuclear power is easy today if you don't want to spend money on renewable. But it's not sustainable in the long term. Use it ok but only as a stopgap until you get clean renewable energy going. Don't invest too much into nuclear since it essentially has no future. Nuclear fuel is limited.
That's my thinking and I believe I'm being reasonable enough about it. I think most swedes agree.
>>52754077
>>52753962
>Natives
>Owning land
Top kek, at least you managed to say sober long enough to see what you were typing, truly a shining example for natives everywhere to aspire too.
Nuclear Power is extremely safe, the only downsides are the waste generated and when it goes wrong, holy fuck does it go wrong. But even then the waste is easily managed, and if it did start to become too much to deal with I imagine it wouldn't to be too hard to just fire a massive load of it into space. And considering the potential for nuclear power plants to fuck up hard, the safety requirements for them are just beyond autistic, any horror stories you hear about power plants were either Russians up to their old tricks or ultimately no big deal.
>>52756781
We will fusionz and sheet.
>>52756781
>Nuclear fuel is limited
Confirmed sources will last at least 100-150 years and that's accounting for increasing global consumption.
And that uranium only.
>>52756781
>Renewable is better in the long run
Have fun trying to cover the base load requirements of any industrial nation with windmills and solar panels (and being stuck with coal because the former two can't satisfy the energy needs).
>>52758076
Surely it will be possible with further advanced in technology. There is no future in nuclear.
>>52756071
Fun thing, the vote was held right after the Fukushima disaster
>>52754327
if the color was a true representation of the danger radiation causes, all the ocean would look blue, even the Japanese shore.
Nuclear fusion > all other forms of energy production
>>52759674
telekinesis > laser vision
whats your point Mohammed?
>>52759784
Fusion is possible, telekinesis is not. Direct all renewable energy and fission funds to fusion and we can have a fuel source that literally lasts millions of years.
>>52751297
I want
>>52754327
600 Olympic swimming pools of what? the equivalent of 600 pools of water contaminated with under 1 ppb of an already diluted solution of low level waste?
the amount of radiation actually released was far below the background radiation of the water it entered, accounting for dilution. you're an ignorant, misinformed idiot and you need to shut up. this scaremongering is very annoying and moaning about nuclear waste immediately shows you to be a buffoon who hasn't actually done any research into the types of waste, how it's disposed of or even more commonly what "radioactive waste" actually is.
>>52759836
fusion is possible, none the less unpractical at the moment, give it another 50 years.
Also fission is super cheap and easy to produce, even with the newest security standards people still oppose it, because the average Joe is an illiterate fucktard that thinks radiation will make him grow another leg.
Even if fusion is a go. People will oppose and will still burn coal in order to produce 90% of the energy. I'm just stating the true, people are afraid of things they don't understand.
Nuclears should be closed within the time, and renewable energy is the way to go.
>>52751297
>Nuclear Energy Explained: How does it work? 1/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcOFV4y5z8c
>3 Reasons Why Nuclear Energy Is Terrible! 2/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEYbgyL5n1g
>3 Reasons Why Nuclear Energy Is Awesome! 3/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVbLlnmxIbY
>>52757531
reserves will last that long at current consumption rates, the LWRs which make up most of the global reactor fleet use around 0.3% of the uranium fuel in the fission process (iirc) , the rest is considered waste and reprocessed or put into storage. it's not quite as simple as this meaning 99.7% of the fuel is not used, as only a small proportion of the isotopes which constitute the fuel are fissile, but the reactors are very inefficient and just by reprocessing the waste alone we can extend the time our reserves will last to close to a thousand years.
when breeder reactors are developed, which will happen soon, that will extend the time our reserves will last to tens of thousands of years.
>>52751297
nuclear power plant is the evidence of oppression.
>>52762057
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>>52754245
You understand that there are places in the world, like the black sand beaches in South America, that naturally have a higher radiation measurement than that entire region, right?
Even immediately after it happened, you'd be hard pressed to try to detect the "disaster" within 50 fucking miles of the plant.
The worst thing about the scare mongering over nuclear power is that we failed an entire generation of graduates over it. A lot of people got degrees in nuclear physics, expecting that they were going to be hired to usher in the new age in American power.
Nope.
>>52762371
Yep, In Arnhem land, there are (or were) rocks that the aboriginal people believe were cursed, because people who disturbed them would get sick. there are even cave paintings illustrating the swelling of the joints.
turns out that the rocks were radioactive.
>>52754063
When managed by corrupt Soviets who neglect them or Japs who build them in terrible locations. Developed nations such as France have had power plants for decades without meltdown.
>>52760066
And what are you basing your opinion on? Because it's clean energy, right? It's not efficient. Get fucked hippie. Nuclear energy is the most efficient.
>>52759313
>I like talking out of my ass, the post
>>52763570
>or Japs who build them in terrible locations
The location wasn't even the problem in Fukushima, but rather the insufficient height of the sea-wall and improperly placed back up generators.
The Onagawa plant was even closer to the epicenter of the quake and not only shut down safely, but provided shelter for the local population.
>>52753987
>tfw no laina gf
>>52760175
Breeder reactors already exist man. The Russians are building two, India is building one, and France already has one
>>52751441
It's still a work in progress. Our state isn't exactly the greatest at city planning, or infrastructure maintenance and retrofitting. In response we've been trying to go full solar, atleast in the mojave desert and valley portions.
>>52754343
>>52754308
Because there is small argument now.
>>52768025
I don't get why we're not getting on it. If we wanted to do it right here in the states, I think our best bet is going full SMR so we can ship them to any place in the US.
Or we can meme it up and use thorium.
>>52752423
The longer the half-life, the less it radiates. It's the short-lived stuff you have to be wary of.
>>52751297
Fairly split opinion.
>>52751441
Wrong. San Onofre was shut down due to mechanical issues. Diablo Canyon is running and got a renewal to continue operating.
>>52752423
Good job being scientifically illiterate. Any number of modern reactor designs can literally consume nuclear waste.
>>52754327
You're a fucking moron. That level of radiation isn't dangerous at all. Get one x-ray and you've received a dose orders of magnitude larger.
We love nuclear, nuclear is life
>>52754153
rude
>>52768314
>I don't get why we're not getting on it
It's expensive. Really expensive. Fossil fuels are cheaper. Plus you have hippies and their meme energies like solar, wind, hydro and biomass trying to distract everyone and giving their energies subsidies.
We're secretly using them as a front to produce weapon-grade enriched uranium.
But don't go telling.
I don't really know how Nuclear power plants are not a thing in my country. We basically have a totalitarian government, everything the president's bureau says is downright passed without people in the senate giving complains. Just a few protest here and there but nothing else.
Wind farms are only used as expensive propaganda in order to push a governor's agenda and gain popularity. Hydroelectric plants flooded buried an entire town a couple of years ago. And the only thing that keep us on float in the gas production sector. Even our oil reserves are against our odds.
>>52771367
Don't forget the shit ton of regulations that go on top of the expense.
And all those shitty forms of energy production just rely on natural gas and coal to make up for their intermittency. It's all a sham and it makes me sad.
>>52770884
>>52770812
It's all in jest, mom. We love you and I wish my country made the choice to shut the hippies up and go nuclear back in the 70s like you did.
Good job shutting them down in 2014 too when the greens tried to cut down nuclear energy production to 50% while pushing for shitty renewables.
>yfw you realize you learn more from 4chan, than you did from school
wew lad.
>>52759344
> Passibg laws right after tragedies because everyone is still emotional
Top kek, that's evil
People think this glorious nuclear power is evil and anti-eco, without thinking that the great god Inti give us this land with uranium to make nukes and force Chile to give back the Huascar.
In consequence, we don't have nukes nor Huascar, Alan Garcia was elected two times and are totally irrelevant to the world.
And to put the cherry on the cake, we are now getting fines for burning ragdolls in the New Year Celebrations.
>tfw no ragdoll burning this year to appease my inner pyromaniac
Pretty sure Ollanta is responsible for this.
Unfortunately very negative because muh Chernobyl muh Fukushima. I really hope our new government just says fuck it and builds them anyway, they're already rasing middle fingers all around.
>being anti nuclear
>thinking solar and wind will solve it all
How do you like to live without electricity , once there is a tad too much wind and the whole power grid dies ?
It is perceived as something positive
Over a half of our demand is satisfied from domestic nuclear energy production
>>52783151
noice
>>52783858
The nicest thing about it is that we only get 18% from disgusting thermal power stations
>>52760149
these videos made nuclear sound like a no-brainer
>>52751356
this
>mfw some people actually think the smoke coming out is radioactive
>and we have to respect their opinion on nuclear energy
>>52784403
typical poortugal
>>52785018
When I was in Highschool everyone told students it was shit and sick dangerous
And as the Left is ALWAYS stronger in Poortugal there's no way we'll get any power plant soon.
>>52784913
>smoke
>>52784913
please dont bully, we are a real country too
"What about that feckin meltdown that happened in Russia"? "The smoke would fuckin kill us boy"! "Air-a we'd have to pay for that aswell, nevermind the water"!
>>52751297
no nukes, period
partly stemming from our deep-running greenie streak
partly stemming from a feeling of pride in saying no to nukes and maintaining our stance on the matter
and partly because 'no nukes, period' is actually a pretty sensible stance to hold when your country experiences earthquakes on a fairly regular basis
>>52751297
Horribly just like anything else that can facilitate human progress
If it's not religious moral shit getting in the way then it's liberal ethics shit
Just can't win
