Are you 100% fluent in your own native language?
I heard that most Slavs are unable to speak their Standard Language correctly. I doubt Finns are capable of it either, due to all dem cases.
It is not "incorrect" they just by-pass some of the more complicated words/rules
>>52508538
what's the standard for 100% fluency?
>>52508607
Not using the wrong case or gender at least once a day.
>>52508538
> I doubt Finns are capable of it either, due to all dem cases.
Why? Other languages just use prepositions instead but it's basically the same concept.
>>52508538
I'm honestly more fluent in English.
>>52508698
I am doubtful that even you Germs can get your cases and genders right.
Don't you occasionally mix up your Der's Die's and Dem's?
>>52508538
>>52508607
I mean, wouldn't 100% fluency literally to be able to communicate with 100% of people also speaking that language?
I'd say there are quite a few people from each that meet that criterion.
>>52508751
> Don't you occasionally mix up your Der's Die's and Dem's?
most kids get it right in grade 6 so no
No, especially when I talk to girls I tend to forget basic grammars.
>>52508785
>>52508607
>>52508538
fluency based only on the understanding and use of the language rules is kind of not achievable, modisms and slang from wherever one is will allways affect fluency
even more, it might be hard to talk to people from other countries that speak the same language but a different dialect
I am and bydlo girls were always impressed by that.
>>52508538
Filipino it's a bastardized shit storm of local dialects across the country but mostly Tagalog. People from outside the capital usually struggle with Filipino since people are usually raised in their native dialects, Private high school graduate are better understanding each other in English than in Filipino.
I speak bastardized Hebrew fluently.
>>52508751
You'd be surprised.
But it's true that the genitive case is slowly dying off, as it already did in Dutch.
Finns mostly get the cases right, but of course there are quite few retards who can't speak their own language.
Very typical example:
"I want to go to thailand"
Incorrect expression would be:
>Haluan mennä Thaimaaseen.
Correct
>Haluan mennä Thaimaahan.
>>52508637
Not really. We make grammar mistakes, but only when writing. Foreigners are the ones using wrong cases and genders.
>>52508538
>I doubt Finns are capable of it either, due to all dem cases.
You are correct, the average dumb person frequently makes grammatical errors such as conjugating words wrong, messes up with idiomatic expressions etc. This happens to people who don't speak any language apart from Finnish.
The majority of people also cannot handle spelling properly, do not understand where to place a space, have no idea how to use a comma and so on
>>52508637
Using the wrong gender? That's unheard of in Portuguese, it's very intuitive. I think people who speak languages without genders overestimate how confusing they are.
>>52508538
I don't get what that has to do with fluency. Until a century ago most people weren't even aware about most vocabulary and more sophisticated grammar in their own language, does this made them not fluent?
>>52508751
I'm not German and no, that doesn't happen unless you have brain problems.
>>52508538
I think so yeah, I sometimes do mistakes because of the double letters, words like "personnellement" for example, I never know if there's two n or two m or two l or blablabla
>>52509828
French is easy. If you can't spell in your own language, consider suicide.
>>52508538
It's imposible to be 100% fluent in any language because new words will always emerge. Besides, where I come from, every village has its own dialect. If Primož Trubar didn't create the first "standard" Slovene, we would not be able to understand each other.
>>52509828
That has nothing to do with language fluency though, it's just the weird as fuck French orthography that makes this possible. You can't say 85 % of France is non fluent in their own language just because you'll always see people typing "é" instead of a "er" and vice-versa.
>>52509951
>implying Slovene is not just broken Kajkavian
Frato, bonvole.
>>52509951
>Primož Trubar
Protestants fixing several hundred years of Catholic fuck ups
>>52509982
Still that's very annoying when people can't make the difference between a/à ; ça/sa ; er/é etc.
>>52510037
Of course, but the point still stands. You're still fluent in your own language, even if you dumb as shit in orthography (and that applies to a big bunch of the French speaking population) or happen to be dyslexic.
>Start in Uni
>Fluency literally goes down due speaking less Proper Norwegian
>It goes down again when I stop listening to radio
HELP
>>52510123
you're*
Talking about errors
>>52510003
Kajkavian is an eastern dialect of Slovene. They're Slovenes in denial.
>>52510036
No, he was just the first guy who thought about making us a language we would all understand and use to communicate with each other.
>>52508538
>I heard that most Slavs are unable to speak their Standard Language correctly.
>>52508538
>I doubt Finns are capable of it either, due to all dem cases
That's like saying native English speakers don't know how to use prepostitions, because there are too many of them.
>>52508538
>I heard that most Slavs are unable to speak their Standard Language correctly
True. But polish is very flexible language and it's brilliant.
>>52510993
That's why it's spoken in a third world country.
Polish immigrants go home pls.
>>52511045
You speak english so your opinion is irrelevant.
>>52511210
What are you speaking now? Obviously the superior language.
>>52511490
American faggot
>>52511539
GJ learning a language you hate so you can bask in the best language and culture in the world
>>52511490
English is literally babby's first foreign language. Ironically, it's some retards' first and only language.
Looking at you, friend.
>>52510128
hvordan? på universitetet så må man skrive tonnevis av akademiske tekster hvor man gjerne skal holde en hǿy språklig standard.
>>52508538
Yes.
Any deviations I make from textbook english are ironic.
>>52511639
Why would anyone learn a slav language if they didn't live there? I don't think many English speakers are trying really dying to see Slovenia
>>52508538
>Are you 100% fluent in your own native language?
Yes, but a surprising number of people that I interact with aren't.
>>52508538
I am 95% fluent in standard English. The problem is that my local dialect still comes through sometimes.
>see flag
>>52511763
Happens with Norwegians a lot desu
>>52511737
That's like asking why anyone would want to learn a foreign language. People even speak dead languages or even constructed languages.
>>52511699
Ikke som ingeniǿrstudent. Språket mitt har vært i fritt fall siden jeg sluttet å få tilbakemeldinger på det, altså VGS, men jeg er heldigvis bedre enn 90% av de jeg studerer med.
>>52508538
I speak perfect Japanese but not completely literate in it. I think I can write 80-90% of what I speak correctly
does this happen in other languages except Chinese?
>>52512261
Is it because of kanji?
>>52508538
There's nothing inherently difficult or complicated about Finnish, it's just an anglo/indo-euro meme because you guys don't typically learn languages outside your language family.
In fact, Finnish grammar is very logical and has only a few exceptions.
yes because protoslav was made up by idiots
>>52512309
yes
>>52511589
spierdalaj na drzewo murzynku
>>52510184
seems like you are the only slav that's disagreed in here kek
>>52508538
As fluent as I'll ever be I guess. There's still words I don't know, like yesterday I saw one but couldn't be assed to look it up. I figure if I haven't needed it in 32 years then I can do fine without it. Also sometimes I fuck up saying laundry and dishes when I mean the other. That didn't happen until I started learning french.
Depends how quickly I'm speaking and to whom.
For example I might use while instead of whilst, and due to muh heritage, I often drop 'the', or say stupid shit like 'I ain't having no cake'
>>52508538
>native language
Of course. Every person living in a society speaking his native language is.
Why would you not be able to speak your own fucking native language fluently ? What kind of retardation is this
>>52508538
Only an Esperantist could unironically make such an utterly retarded thread.
I wish being an Esperantist were a bannable offense on /int/. Such fucking cancerous retards.
>>52510003
First of all "Kajkavian" is literally a made up dialect like the rest of them in Croatia, basing the entire dialect just based on "kaj, šta and ča" which is retarded.
Secondly it's closest to Slovene and not Croatian, so if anyone is in denial it's them.
Entirely depends on what 100% means.
I never use 'whom' or the subjunctive tense (If I were..) so I guess around 98%
>>52508785
That means I'm 70% fluent in Portuguese but 80% fluent in English and 100% fluent Spanish. Even though I have never read a English grammar book nor have never studied Spanish.
>>52508637
That only applies to German and Dutch btw.
>>52514285
I'm not sure what this means. You're an English native speaker who went to Japan and dominated their tests? I'd kind of like to try that, just take other country's English tests and see how well I do.
>>52514659
I did it for fun yeah.
It's basically equivalent to the English section of the SAT. Same deal with JLPT.
European fluency in a nutshell
>(in mother tongue) I can speak perfect English fluently. I have read classical English literature and listen to English podcasts regularly.
What did you eat this morning?
>(in English) äääähhhhmmm ehhhh aiy beleef aiy eeet baykon and igs sënce tis moning. Amehrikan cahfeh es shit, yes.
yes and no because i am fluent in my local dialect but can't speak Actual Arabic
>>52514891
>Euro proudly says he speaks 5 languages
>can barely ask more than where to take a piss in 4 of them
>>52514659
>>52514745
Oh, also took TOEIC too.
It was funny looking at over-proud people boasting how 990 is difficult even for natives.
It was easy as fuck.
>>52514891
>>52515047
I know it's difficult for you to understand, but it is actually possible and not at all uncommon to be fluent in more than one language.
>>52514891
monolingual pleb grasping at straws
As in speaking? 100%. I sometimes have stupidity lapsus, but they don't count as they are a normal thing.
As in writing? Less than 80%, and I'm objectively better than most people. Only prolific writers have great grammar skills. Spanish is incredibly difficult to write well without mistakes.
Example:
Porque
Por que
Porqué
Por qué
Tú, tu, mas, más, él, el, etc.
All mean different things.
>>52515091
How much does it cost to do this stuff? I assume you have to go to some school where they administer it right and it's not just online?
>>52515094
I am fluent in German. I have the GeR C1 certification to prove it as well. European fluency is not fluency. You just have a bunch of Europeans circlejerking about being able to recite Latin texts and Shakespearean sonnets in their incomprehensible accents. If I had a dollar for every time a European fucked up simple English grammar such as
>since vs. for
I would be a very rich man.
>>52515094
Sure, but there's far too many people I see who are 18 and boast they know 5+. Either there's a disproportionate number of linguistic geniuses online or they're full of shit.
>>52508751
Most people aren't stupid like Americans and can deal with languages that have genders/many different cases.
Of course that's far too much for the average Amerifat but ah well...
>>52515295
>European fluency is not fluency
>>52515331
Are you telling me that people lie on the internet?
>>52510993
ive heard that you can arrange a sentence in every way possible and it would still make sense
>>52515251
It's very easy actually. It takes around 10 minutes to comprehend the rule and what is what and you'll never make a mistake again.
>>52515047
European fluency in a nutshell
>(in mother tongue) I can speak perfect English fluently. I have read classical English literature and listen to English podcasts regularly.
Ask me where the bathroom is.
>(in English) äääähhhhmmm emmm veyhr eees deee WC?
What in the Sam hell is a WC? What are you saying?
>(in English) jajaja estupeed ahhmehreecan dooos naaht kno deee loo.
>>52515414
I'm not sure, but I have my suspicions.
It depends on what you mean.
I grew up speaking the Appalachian dialect, which should be considered a completely separate language. I've had to force myself to speak proper English for people to not think that I'm a foreigner
>>52508538
Yeah, I am 100% fluent because I'm a huge Grammar Nazi. I notice the tiniest mistakes people make and trust me, it's hell on Earth. I also speak properly and it just results in people making fun of me. "Geez, you speak like a book, anon!" is something I hear very often. On the other hand, it makes me appear intelligent, so why not.
>>52515482
It's not, most native speakers make grammar mistakes every single time they write something in spanish. Native speakers from all countries and all social classes. Only writers do this fluently.
but english pronunciation is fucking retarded
it can't be helped
>>52515612
What are the most common mistakes you notice?
>>52508538
stupid american dog
>>52515331
Well, maybe they're not even lying. It's easy to know five languages when you're European. I know five languages as well. Czech (obviously), Slovak (practically Czech, but there are some differences and it is a separate language, so it counts), Polish (very similar to Czech, albeit not as close as Slovak, I live on the borders, so of course I know Polish), English (okay, this one involved some actual studying), Spanish (ditto). See? It wasn't that hard.
>>52515574
How was it like without a color TV as a child?
>>52515830
Slimmer than yours?
>>52508538
everybody speaks his or her native language fluently
>>52515776
There are so many of them. So many of them. I'd say the most jarring mistake is probably the eternal confusion between i/y in written text. I/Y is the same sound in Czech (they're both vowels), so you have to remember where you have to write I and where you need to write Y. There's often a difference in meaning (for example: bílí = white in plural, býlí = herbs) and while the difference is obvious from context, it hurts my Grammar Nazi feelings. The same goes for s/z.
Those are mistakes normal people make, but I notice mistakes even in professionally edited texts. Those are usually subtler, like capital letters in wrong places, wrong inflection of the "I" pronoun (it's either mě or mně in most cases, it obviously can't be heard and you need to remember the rules, but almost nobody does) and so on and so on. It's pretty exhausting. Maybe I'll get a job as an editor.
>>52515574
>grew up in Pittsburgh
>didn't know we had a recognizable accent until college
>can't understand blacks, Newfies, Scots, Irish, half of England, New Zealanders, or Indians
I have a very good understanding of the language, I do legal work for a living, I just can't fucking understand other people talking.
>>52516121
>can't understand blacks, Irish, or Indians
No one can anon, no one can.
>>52515830
I didn't have a TV growing up. I knew they existed. everytime we went into town, we'd see them in stores and such.
Never really bothered me. When I moved out and got a TV of my own I realized how much of a waste it was. Now the internet really blew me away
>>52516121
>hill-people feels
>>52515825
You know and understand five languages but I don't believe you are claiming to be fluent in them. You can speak Czech but can't go to Kosice or Krakow and speak Slovak and Polish respectively. Even if Czech and Slovak are very similar there are finer differences between the two languages that require immersion and study to adopt and identify as objectively Slovakian. I can go to Ireland and understand what is being said but I am not fluent in the Irish variant of English; for that I would need years of immersion. The same goes for Norwegians, who claim to be fluent in Swedish and Danish. Of the Nordic countries, the Finns are likely the single Nordic country with the second most Swedish speakers due to their Swedish minority and the language's required teaching throughout Finland, even though Finnish isn't even related to Swedish. You will still hear Scandinavians claiming fluency in every Scandinavian language.
>>52516512
>Of the Nordic countries, the Finns are likely the single Nordic country with the second most Swedish speakers due to their Swedish minority and the language's required teaching throughout Finland, even though Finnish isn't even related to Swedish. You will still hear Scandinavians claiming fluency in every Scandinavian language.
blaah blaah we cant speak swedish for shit and nobody likes fennoswedes.
>>52516512
Actually, I can do that and I do just that. I have relatives in those countries and I always use their language out of habit when I'm there because it just feels right. Immersion is certainly needed, where did I imply it wasn't important?
I think you're underestimate the extent to which we study languages.
>>52514098
>tfw Esperantist
>>52508637
Does asking for a person's preferred pronoun disqualify you?
>>52515476
That's a half-truth. Even though changing the word order in a sentence doesn't completely change its meaning, you would still sound autistic using it incorrectly.
>>52509516
by your standards americans can't speak english for shit
>>52517158
Maybe if you have relatives in Slovakia there is a chance you can speak both like a multinational, but all three are too similar and easy to mix for you to actually be able to converse in all three independently. Can you provide the word for goat in all three languages off the cuff? It is actually more possible that you speak English and Spanish fluently than it is for you to speak Polish and Slovak fluently.
Most lower middle class "Gen X"ers and baby boomers literally cannot into-English
>>52518070
Eh, no? Yes, they are similar, but I rarely mix the words, it's like they're stored in different parts of my mind. They are similar, but they all sound very different to me. I don't know how to describe it, it's more feels based than anything as I haven't studied those languages academically, yet the distinction is very very clear to me. Incidentally, the word for goat is the same in all three languages unless you're talking about a male goat, then it's kozel in Czech, koziol in Polish (with that weird l, but I don't have that on my keyboard) and cap in Slovak. Trust me, it's not that hard. Only people who exert no effort complain about perceived difficulty.
>>52508538
hell no
Its very hard to be flawless in polish, even as a native person. I probably make small mistakes on daily basis but dont realize that.
>>52508538
Most young Finns speak a bastardised form of Finnish with heavy use of local slang and abbreviations. It's fucking disgusting to listen to and it makes everyone sound retarded. If you hear someone under 30 speaking proper Finnish without sounding like a retarded dickgobbler odds are they're not Finnish at all.
>>52520375
>kirjakieli is proper Finnish
Top fucking lel.
>>52519861
If a native speaker doesn't notice these mistakes then they're not mistakes at all. That just means the norms of the language are outdated.
>>52520375
Example:
>mä nappaa vaa bisse enne ku lähe duunii
Vs
>mä nappaan vaan oluen ennen kun lähden töihin
>>52520438
Nobody said anything about kirjakieli, I'm talking about normal Finnish Vs stadi cancer
>Esperanto
Literally Spanish
Germans: is this the English equivalent of Schwizerdeutsch?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU
>>52508538
>I doubt Finns are capable of it either, due to all dem cases.
Shit's easy if you have two working brain cells to rub together.
>>52520604
There is no "normal Finnish" you assburger.
>all the Americans talking shit ITT
Try speaking your local dialect, then the official language, English and then another foreign language or two.
>>52515825
¿Por qué es tan común que los europeos del centro y del este de Europa aprendan español?
Cuando encuentro eslavos que saben otro idioma no eslavo a parte del inglés, el 80% del tiempo es español.
>tfw I had to look up how to say Slavic in Spanish (turns out it's the same as Slav)
To answer OP, I don't consider myself fluent in any language. I completely suck at oral communication.
>>52508538
Ależ oczywiście, że władam doskonale poprawną polszczyzną.
Potrafię też godoć do ludzi, do goroli oraz do wiary. Umiem się dogadać po śląsku, kaszubsku i wielkopolsku.
Sporo jeździłem służbowo, sporo ludzi poznałem.
>>52523490
iirc slovenia is the most multilingual country, the average for the rest of europe aside from switzerland is like barely over 2
of course, but i speak in dialect 90% of the time
>>52527435
Also jeg spare norsk, habla espanol and speak english but only basics of this languages...
Und einige worte in deutsch. :^)
>>52527487
Apart from speaking in a dialect from childhood and learning the official language in school, the older generations speak Serbo-Croatian, the younger generations speak English and a lot of people speak German. Those living near the border also speak Italian or Hungarian. And then there's languages like French, Russian and Spanish which are taught in high school.
>>52527274
That's called being autistic, friend :^)
>>52520843
Not really
To some extent, since I study /lit/ I try to better my communication skills
However I proudly use my local dialect everyday
I'm fluent in ukrainian and russian languages. Isn't a big deal. But i have met adult people that can't speak and write properly in their own language.
>>52527831
Does "to better" correct?"to improve" would be better maybe?
ITT foreigners don't understand what fluency means
And yuropoors bring out their usual autism about "hurr you only speak English, try speaking all these other irrelevant languages"
My English is better than my Slovene desu. The nearest grammatical counterpart to Slovene in the corpus of the English language is Old English desu: our language can approach Latin in the obliqueness and formality of the wording.
>>52527937
"to better myself" is correct
"to better" is correct but it's a 'different' word choice
most people would just use "to improve"
>>52527664
Nah, I just never learned to modulate well. I may be too lazy, or I might have a speech impairment.
That and I keep forgetting Spanish vocabulary that I know in English, so people usually mock me for acting like a foreigner.
>>52527953
What are you even talking about? How could we not know what fluency means? You do realise fluency also applies to languages other than English, don't you?
>>52527937
>does
>is
selfretardedfix
>>52528058
by different i mean it's something that you really only see written, if you said "I am going to better myself" out loud it would be odd to a native speaker's ears.
I'm not sure how usual this is but there's a big difference between what's usual in written english vs spoken.
>>52528203
It's also to do with what kind of native you're saying it to I think, I've heard people say that in parts of Britain for sure.
>>52528304
i believe you, im familiar with most of the differences in spoken american english vs british english but i coulda forgot/missed that one.
>>52528203
There are some things that i hate in english language. And one of them is that written english is not spoken english. For exemple russian language is approximately same as written and spoken (it has some exceptions but it's not like english)
>>52508637
>gender
>his language gives GENDERS to INANIMATE OBJECTS
>his language L I T E R A L L Y has a male and a female version of the third person singular pronoun
>>52528304
It always gets me when I see Scandanvians on here act superior to anglos because they can only speak English
Son you were aggressively taught English from a young age by your school system, don't act like you put in time and hard work
>>52528432
>his language gives GENDERS to INANIMATE OBJECTS
Welcome to Russia/Ukraine/Belarus.
>>52528203
I rarely speak in English so that may be the main cause
>Didn't know it was a rare choice of words
>>52528412
yea i could see why you would find that annoying, but it's not like anyone isn't going to understand you
i actually find foreigners' different word choices and little mistakes endearing, like how french people pluralize things that wouldn't be pluralized in english
>>52528467
mm sometimes it goes further than that, i've seen nordics act like they understood english better than me multiple times on here
>>52508538
Nobody is fluent in Finnish.
>>52528467
What the hell are you talking about? Also I'm Finnish, not Scandinavian.
>>52508698
How many cases u got amigo
>>52514098
To be fair, all Standard Languages like Hochdeutsch and Esperanto are something old white men made up, that no one really speaks natively.
Is that only for me or not? Enlgish people accent verbs while speaking but americans speak verbs very fast and hard to recgonize.
>>52528703
Someonehastoteachfinnstousespacestbqh
>>52528761
idk man, that's not really something a native can answer
>>52528928
they aint compound words
>>52509516
You might as well admit straight away you're from Forssa.
>>52528712
>old white men
dumb amerifat pls leave
>>52529240
>colorblind SJW kike
Fuck off, faggot.
>>52516512
>You will still hear Scandinavians claiming fluency in every Scandinavian language.
That's because they're practically the same language.
I was watching this one Norwegian talk show on the one fennoswedish channel we have, and I wondered why they only subtitled one of the guy's speech. Turned out the other guys were speaking Swedish, and the other guy spoke Norwegian, all in one conversation with no problem.
When I was a kid and learned how to read I used to wonder why the cereal boxes had the Swedish text three times, and then Finnish.
Why do brits pronounce a as a but yanks pronounce it like ä?
For example, brits say "bathroom" but americans say "bäthroom"
I've seen a lot of stupid mistakes in english by brits or americans that i wouldn't do.
Also i have the habit to use upper case letters in the beggining of the sentence like one is supposed to do but i'm to lazy to pay attention to that in the middle of the sentence on the internet.
>>52529297
the point is that of course they're white you stupid SJW faggot
only an American SJW retard like yourself finds that worth mentioning
>>52529549
What?
Let me get this straight,
You think we say it like "bay-throom"?
>>52529589
>>52528652
>>52529597
I'm pretty sure he's talking about
>this
>>52529597
No, he's just using Finnish phonetics. Ä is pronounced like the a in hang. According to him Brits would use the a from car.
>>52529597
bay-throom != bäthroom
Do you have dyslexia?
>>52529549
Bathroom is a pretty similar for me so i think i have better exemple for your sentence. What is about "CAN"?
>>52529734
>expecting an English-speaker to know how Ä is pronounced in Finnish
I'm so sorry you have to see this, /int/.
>>52529677
>>52528652
It's a reasonable point though, someone who mechanically studied a language might be better at grammar than some natives. I don't really think it's absurd to assume that someone who put a lot of effort into mechanically learning Finnish might understand the grammar better than some native Finnish speakers, and I definitely know from experience it can be true for English.
>>52529838
we both know that's not how it is
usually it's just some euphoric faggot who thinks he's a lot smarter than he is and doesn't realize how bad he really is at English
>>52529746
I mean cannot.
>>52529838
there is a difference between scientifically learning grammar and having a feeling for the grammar to where it comes naturally to you.
no doubt you know proper names for english grammatical terms that i have no idea about but it's quite arrogant to say that you have a better feel for english than me.
>>52529827
>no fun allowed
>>52529924
>usually
Yes, but obviously not always. Most people are barely fucking literate tbqh my senior.
>>52529976
First of all, I didn't say I'm like that personally. Just that I'm sure there are plenty of people like that. And second, if someone uses a language a lot it will become more natural over time. If a non-native used English in their day-to-day life a lot, there's no reason to assume they couldn't eventually be better at it than some natives, provided they have a head for languages. I don't think this is in any way a controversial thing to say, and I assume it's the same way when it comes to any other language as well, including mine.
>>52529976
I dunno man, you'll rarely see non-natives write stuff like "quote on quote" or "should of".
no idea how to use who/whom so I use "that" instead desu
>>52534113
who = he
whom = him
Just remember it like that
>inb4 butthurt inferiority complex
>>52508637
There's no problem until it comes to declension of numerals. The actually used language goes far away from the standard here.
>>52512261
How many kanjis can you write?
>>52509294
Not really. We Swiss use it too in written/standard German even though Swiss German has no genitive case (and no preterite tense).
>>52521319
>Germans: is this the English equivalent of Schwizerdeutsch?
It depends. I only understand this English partly and some Germans can't understand Swiss German (but they learn to understand it fast). But if the English is just a different pronunciation then it's not the same because Swiss German is another language than standard German.
>>52521319
But this English isn't really that different from regular English, I can understand it perfectly. They just speak in a funny accent.
A better comparison would be English and Scots.
>>52532146
People say/write things like that because it sounds correct. Should of sounds like should've. The latter is correct. The "quote on quote" example points to the shortcomings of english orthography. English isn't nearly as phonetic as Spanish. Most vowels can sound like other vowels in certain contexts.
>>52509828
I know that feel to well senpai. Dutch, English and French share a lot of words, but they're written differently and i spend a couple of minutes thinking how to spell something, if there's only one or two "m"s, etc.
>>52509936
t. americlap who only knows english
>>52536568
I know that, but that doesn't stop them from being fairly common mistakes that natives make.
Studying the language can actually make you better at it than the average native. Of course, people that are actually interested in their own tongue (or in doing things correctly) would be more difficult to surpass.
>>52515338
You live in a third-world country
But first-worlders are the retards. Hilarious.
>>52529827
>get a load of this loser, he doesnt know about how this letter is pronounced in an irrelevant steppemonkey language
Reeks of desperation for relevance
>>52539168
He's berating the other Finn for expecting other people to know our irrelevant language you assburger.
>>52514098
Being Canadian should be a bannable offense, you fucking leaf.
>>52528712
The whole point is that you aren't supposed to speak it natively.
>>52528712
I like standard German. According to my Wikipedia research it was once a written language, true. But it is a combination of several high German dialects. It took several hundred to create years in which people tried to write in a way that the most people in the German speaking area could understand it. It's democratic. Not like English or French where the language of one place has become the standard.
English isn't difficult to learn all the nuances of as a native speaker. God help you if you are non-native, but its easy to distinguish native words from borrowed words then adjust accordingly 99% of the time. I do great on all writing assignments in college because I am autistic about grammar and linguistics. I also speak 3 foreign languages because, again, obsessed with language in general. Why is the way we flap our tongues and teeth together to produce sound so god damn fascinating to me?
>>52538664
Of course. Nevertheless, a substantial amount of people I've encountered in school system in the US bursh off learning about language, their native tongue and foreign ones, as stuff they will "never use."
>>52540193
brush*
>>52508538
>I doubt Finns are capable of it either, due to all dem cases.
Quite many are not really able to use potential case right for some reason, like:
>satanee (it will probably rain)
>lienee satanut (It has probably rained)
>>52512621
Why you don't adapt Latin or Cyrillic alphabet for your language? It would be much easier for you and your language would become much more popular.
>>52521319
>Appalachian English
I'm about 90% sure this dialect was made up for the sake of this video. It's such a non-dialect that only linguists would even notice the difference. It just sounds like Tennessee Southern, literally redneck dialect with a few slight differences (if I wasn't Southern I wouldn't even notice them).
Yuros, ignore this video. Appalachian English is a meme.
God no. And ever since I've started reading english ebooks (easier to pirate) it's only gotten worse.
>>52541507
>Why you don't adapt Latin or Cyrillic alphabet for your language?
Politics. Because of conservatives.
>I heard that most Slavs are unable to speak their Standard Language correctly.
where the fuck did you hear this from then?
only complete retards cant read/write properly
>>52527503
Which one?
Finnish is hard m8s
:(
>>52541797
Minä olen suoraan kaksi paska saksaa ja yksi suomi, riikusrikestelli :DDD
Am I fluent now?
>>52508538
>Are you 100% fluent in your own native language?
yeah, unlike most slavic language, bulgarian has no cases
>>52541797
Become one with Mother Russia, and you will only need to learn a simple Russian language
>>52508538
Definitely more proficient in English then in Russian, nowadays at least, probably for the lack of practice.
>>52541849
who knows I don't speak Finnish
You are two parts German and one part Finnish? Or something?
>>52541870
After my Finnish course ends, to prepare for the war
>>52541927
Nah I'm 0% Finnish I just threw shit together that sounded Finnish and made a sentence. I knew a few words and then just used what I've seen in /mämmi/.
>>52541969
yksi doesnt sound too finnish m8
>>52541927
High five! Where are you studying? :D
>>52541982
Well it's a Finnish word so I guess that settles it.
That was one of the words I knew.
>>52541849
>>52541969
>I am [going?] straight two shit [of] Germany and one Finland, [gibberish]
Well done.
>>52541982
It means one (1).
>>52541997
top kek it's the only word in the sentence that didn't look finnish to me
>>52508538
How can you be not fluent in your own language?
>>52541989
University of Helsinki
Little kids and mentally challenged people can mix b/v, g/j and I've seen even well educated sudacas fuck with s/z in some particular words but that's about it.
>>52542042
thats quite possible if a language is poorly classified and have lots of dialects, like Chinese
Russian language, on the other hand, has barely changed in the past 200 years
>>52542018
Ayy I got some words right.
I knew "saksaa", "minä", "olen", "ja", "yksi", "kaksi", "paska", and "suomi". The last bit was supposed to be "crime record" but I fucked it up. Basically the only word I improvised was "suoraan", the rest I just hoped would make grammatical sense even though I didn't actually plan out the sentence.
I just like writing things in Finnish, even though I don't speak it at all. Minä hyrpi ja keksäinen jumalauta taleilan helevti.
>>52542042
>>52542096
Or if it is needlessly complicated, like Dutch
>>52542117
>Minä hyrpi ja keksäinen jumalauta taleilan helevti
Only "minä", "ja" and "jumalauta" are actual words this time, for shame.
>>52542173
SAATANA
EI HELVETTI, VOI VITTU
>>52542096
>Russian language, on the other hand, has barely changed in the past 200 years
lolwut, we had letters like i and ѣ until Soviets.
>>52542209
Satan, no hell, butter fuck
Stop pls
>>52535602
Swiss german is a dialect, not a language. You guys are also way too proud of your meme dialect.
>>52542280
>ѣ
we had this recently until you faggot nigger commies removed it
>>52541507
Japanese writing makes it a pain in the ass to learn, but a breeze to use. Removing Chinese characters would greatly slow down the native's reading speed (and also suck up a lot of culture from the language).
Also, adopting a Latin alphabet would mean huge changes in the language (i.e., pretty much losing a huge chunk of Chinese derived words that have homophones but also have Japanese equivalent for colloquial environments, thus almost never spoken aloud). This would mean the disappearance of a layer of formality usually used by official documents, newspapers, etc.
It's certainly not impossible, but definitely a logistical nightmare.
Also
>Cyrillic
I know it's perfectly doable, but why would they ever go down that rabbit hole?
>>52542386
Standard German is a dialect too. Both Swiss German and standard German are high German dialects. Not sure why they are called like this. They are the dialects spoken in the south of the German speaking area (where mountains are, maybe that's wie the south is high) and in the North low German dialects are/were spoken.
>>52542677
PS:
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_language
> speakers 5 million (2014)
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German
> 4.5 million
Our language de facto hadn't literature standart.
All russian dialects are aviable to understand, but they can be different in proncuation and etc. For example I don't have standart R. I can say it, but prefer my native way.
>>52542668
Cyrillic is more usable to read, but latin is an easier alphabet to write.
I use both.
And, because russian doesn't have the standart latin alphabet, I use different styles, mostly polish and
czech.
>>52514497
pero chupame la poronga brazilero trolazo
>>52542096
Actually it is quite easy to learn different dialects in Chinese. Most people speak Mandarin besides their native dialect. I can speak Cantonese, Mandarin and English fluently.
>>52543028
>Cyrillic is more usable to read
to read Japanese? Seriously?
If you mean in general, that's probably just your familiarity with it. Not to mention that a lot of Slavic consonants don't exist in Japanese, making many Cyrillic letters (particularly the ones I am never able to pronounce) useless.
And then there's the fact that there are already several accepted romanization standards. I'm not sure if there's ever been a standardized Cyrillic alphabetization of Japanese.
>>52543660
I started learning Mandarin recently, and I'm really enjoying it, but I'm never sure if I'm pronouncing the tones right (especially that damn third tone).
I can't even begin to imagine the nightmare that Cantonese tones would be for me.
>>52543865
I improved my grasp of tones in mandarin by watching a lot of mainland/Taiwan movies. Maybe that would be helpful for you too? By the way are you learning traditional or simplified characters? Just curious.
Yes Cantonese is one of the hardest languages in the world to master. I still see some white/indian actors in HK speaking it though and as a result they are very popular in our TV shows lol.
>>52508538
ahahahhahahahahha fuck no i dont even speak my own dialect correctly, i should just start a new and find a new language to be fluent in.
>>52543800
Cyrillic =/= Russian alphabet
Not only Slavs use Cyrillic
Since a lot of people have been talking about dialects ITT: post dialect maps of your languages and tell us what dialect you speak.
I speak a form of Upper Carniolan, the pink dialect just above the brown one (Lower Carniolan). These two dialects were the biggest influence for the creation of a standard Slovene language, but they are still very distinct.
They say us Upper Carniolans are frugal (okay, they don't exactly say frugal, but I prefer this term to cheepskate) and it shows in the way we speak because in my dialect, we like to shorten words and leave out a bunch of sounds, mostly vowels. For example, Tržič (a town in Upper Carniola) sounds like Tržәč, kruh (bread) is krәh, rit (ass) is rәt. Another element of my dialect is švapanje, which means pronouncing l as v. An example of both of the above elements would be "Midva sva prišla." (Us two have come. - remember, Slovene has dual) to "Mәdva sva pršva.". This is mostly heard when adressing a woman or when it is coming from a woman, because most verbs in male form end with -u (prišel(come, arrive)-pršu, našel(find)-najdu, skočil(jump)-skoču; the female forms are prišla-pršva, našla-najdva, skočila-skučiva).
Another curiosity that I have already touched upon with the last example is ukanje, the change of the vowel o to u. We also know akanje, which is mostly e changing to a. The example of the former would be Slovenija changing to Sluvenija, or Gorenjska (Upper Carniola) to Gurenska. The example of the latter would be "ne vem" (I don't know) to "na vem".
And finally, since I come from the part of the region where there were a lot of Germans during the old Monarchy - germanisms. Most dialects have some germanisms but Upper Carniolan, Styrian and Carinthian have the most, depending on historical circumstances of one's subdialect. You hear words such as šraufәncigәr (from German word for screwdriver, Schraubenzieher) and lojtra (from German word for ladder, Leiter).
>>52544543
Here's another map. Upper Carniolan is in pink again.
>>52539168
I mean cmon everybody should know phonetics tho
>>52546108
I'm not Finnish but the ä is pronounced in the front of the mouth and the a in the back
Pretty easy desu
A very basic example would be ä as in cat, and a as in bar
Most English speakers don't even know when and when not to use "whom"
>>52547040
The worst thing is when people fuck up then and than
>>52544543
most of poles have the same dialect, the only expection is silesia where they use some weird abomination and older people who tend to have more "communist era" accent
>>52547401
>communist era accent
What's that like? A lot of tovarishes?
>>52508637
>Not using the wrong case or gender
What the fuck, is this even possible? The sentence would sound absolutely retarded.
"Me passa uma pouco dessa molho". Oh god, i feel bad even writing it ironically.
>>52549277
>using the wrong case or gender
fix'd the quote
>>52548531
hmm, its hard to explain to a foreigner (even fellow slav) but communist leaders spoke in specific accent that you would immediately recognize, similar to the people who used to live in kresy (pre war eastern Poland). It has specific Russian (or ruthenian, depends who you ask) influence.
>>52549277
Gender errors are actually not that common in speech. At least in French.
>>52549368
I could see it in German, where I have a lot of experience mixing genders and cases.
>>52549592
That's interesting. In Slovene, the dialects didn't change during communist rule.
>>52549725
Not that uncommon, I mean.
>>52508538
> I doubt Finns are capable of it either, due to all dem cases.
There are a lot of people who can't write and talk for shit but then again, that's the case in every country. It's just natural that there are people who are dumb as fuck. Does that mean Finnish is impossible by any means? No, it doesn't. It's pretty much as easy/as hard as English in my opinion, it's just different.
>>52520604
Normal Finnish is kirjakieli, that's the standardized form. The most spoken Finnish is your so called "stadi cancer". Just remain jelly with your shitty Lapland dialect that's slowly dying off whilst stadi takes over the whole of Finland.
>>52542677
High and low German most likely refers to Upper and Lower Germany. Upper and Lower refered to what was up river or down river, so northern Germany is lower Germany and southern Germany is upper Germany. Mountains makes sense too though. BeNeLux being called the Lowlands and such.
>>52508637
Well, if that is 100% fluent the no.
>>52528484
Arabic, German and Spanish also do this. It's pretty fucking stupid desu.
>tfw swedes say he (han) instead of him (honom)
>tfw swedes dont know the difference between they (de) and them (dem)
>tfw swedes write words apart
>tfw swedes spell swedish with a capital letter
>tfw swedes say vart instead of var
>tfw swedes say erat, vårat instead of ert and vårt
