>the military of the united kingdom
RAMP
>>52436606
They had a good run
3rd for boatsluts.
UK stronk
A FUCKING RAMP
>>52437123
A FUCKING CHEESE SLICER
You are now realizing that america has 9 regular aircraft carriers in addition to its super carriers.
They are the same displacement as ww2 carriers, and operate helicopters and VTOL airplanes.
We call them amphibious assault ships to not make other nations feel bad. We have 12 super carriers. Saying we have 12 carriers is enough, we dont have to rub it in by saying we have 21 :^) (they dont have ramps either)
>>52437341
R A R E
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>>52437341
DAMN MONGORIANS!
Our enemies aren't exactly well-equipped. We can afford to slack a little.
why is it angled
>>52437341
U N C O M M O N
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Rare?
Just ramp my shit up
>>52437496
For their top of the range harriers
>>52437384
Why don't they have ramps since they are using the same VSTOL aircraft as us?
Also, congratulations on achieving vertical take-off and landing only fifty years after we did it. I'm proud of you, son.
>>52437496
ramp carriers exist so they can launch planes with out the use of a catapult.
The reason to not have a catapult in your carrier are numerous, its all around more expensive to operate catapults on your carrier. First of all, you need lots of steam. US supercarriers use their nuclear reactors to generate that. These english ships run on diesel or something (i hope its not gas turbine, that would be stupidly expensive, its gas turbine isnt it?.. yep, just checked, its gas turbine. lol). Secondly, catapults take up more space, meaning you need bigger ships, meaning you need even more power to move them around. Lastly, catapults are tricky, the US has a lot of experience with them, anyone else would probably just blow their ship up somehow (good luck china :^) )
The disadvantage of NOT having catapults though, are also numerous. Catapults let you be much more flexible with what kind of planes you can launch. You can launch heavier planes, which means more powerful strike loadouts, or big cargo planes or more heavy utility craft. Basically, if you have serious logistical heavy lifting to worry about as well as just launching combat planes, the ability to use steam to push a big fat plane full of stuff off your deck and not have it crash is pretty handy. Ramp carriers are much more restricted. Which is fine if your carrier is actually just a dps add-on for some combined theoretical NATO fleet, but shit if you are actually wanting to go do empire stuff around the planet.
N-no bully, plz.
>>52437731
we don't have ramps because we're not poor and we can afford slingshots
soon we're going to launch planes electromagnetically
>>52437731
You landed the first plane on a ship, proving it could be done.
You then landed the first jet powered plane on a carrier, proving it could be done.
You also invented the system that pilots use to line up their approach on a carrier
So why dont you have any carriers worth a damn?
>>52437825
>Bringing reasonableness and genuine knowledge into a shitpost thread
That's not how things are done here, chap.
>>52437964
Bit harsh, m8. They'll still be the most effective carriers outside the USN. They were going to have cats and traps originally and launch proper planes instead of this VSTOL nonsense. That was changed for some reason, think our ecoomy tanked or something. Anyway blame your Marines - they insisted on the jump-jet version being developed for some reason.
>>52437731
And as for no ramps. I dont really know. Probably just a stylistic thing. Then again they are not meant to fill the role of a pure aircraft carrier anyway, they are amphibious assault ships because they carry landing craft for putting fodder on beaches. They then act as a close airbase to support with attack helicopters and vtol, what this means is that the planes probably need to carry less fuel, so maybe they can get away with no ramp.
I honestly dont know a whole lot about them. I just know that their displacement is more than an essex class carrier, which was pretty big. Only the midway class out-displaced them.
So for all intents and purposes they are fleet carriers. I was surprised when i learned of these things.
Japan also has its 'helicopter destroyers', They are basically aircraft carriers themselves, and easily in line with some of the lighter ww2 aircraft carriers displacement wise
Daily reminder that ramp means disaster in Dutch.
>>52437731
>>52438353
>>52437825
The US Marines don't use ramps so they can eek out a few meters extra deck space as far as I know. That's the only real reason not to use a ramp for non CATOBAR aircraft like the F-35B and a pretty dumb one considering a ramp allows for a greater weapon and fuel load.
>>52436606
We prefer flat women?
>>52437843
QE class can later be fitted with EMALS once the technology matures and there's a need to do so.
>>52438804
But then they would have to take away the ramp and they'd be fully American...
>HE NEEDS AIRCRAFT CARRIERS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE OVERSEAS TERRITORIES
>>52437825
>Secondly, catapults take up more space, meaning you need bigger ships, meaning you need even more power to move them around.
QE is designed to have the space for a catapult system.
>Lastly, catapults are tricky, the US has a lot of experience with them, anyone else would probably just blow their ship up somehow (good luck china :^) )
Dude, the bongs invented the steam catapult (along with angled flight decks)
>>52436606
What is the disadvantage of the ramp? I assume it limits what aircraft can launch but I dont know.
>>52438971
It's less versatile and can't launch aircraft with as heavy loadouts as cats.
>>52438947
r-r-rule b-britannia
>>52438966
>QE is designed to have the space for a catapult system.
This sounds like a horribly designed ship then.
"lets design a catapult carrier, then not install it, and glue a ramp on the front"
Moreover, since they dont have a reactor, they arent ever going to be able to use an electric catapult, which means they are going to need heat for a steam one, which means boilers, when they use a gas turbine engine.. those get hot but probably not hot enough
>>52438947
real anglos have angles
>>52437825
>be american
>get shot
These are all the aircraft carriers that currently exist on planet earth.
The largest airforce in existence is the U.S. Airforce. The second largest? The U.S. Navy.
>>52440376
It's because the technology is not mature enough.
And there'll be enough electricity to run EMALS. Don't just state things you don't have enough information about.
>>52440656
Im not just stating things. Im repeating things ive heard and assuming them to be true :^)
>>52440571
rather be shot than stabbed to death with an illegally purchased spoon desu m8 (^:
>>52440643
what do you benefit from it?
>>52436606
>Military budget nearly 10 times larger.
>Carriers aren't 10 times larger.
Shameful.
>>52440643
>brazil
every time
>>52436606
we are sherivs and shit
>>52437341
>>52440745
https://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-a-military-expert-if-the-whole-world-could-conquer-the-united-states
>There are not enough aircraft carriers and amphibious warfare ships in the combined navies of the world to force an entry past the US Navy. There are not enough attack fighters to gain air superiority against the US Air Force.
>>52440745
I get the peace of mind that a single Nimintz class carrier could probably single handedly wage war on your nation and have a decent chance of victory. 14 and we could do what the Germans never could in about a week.
>>52440870
not many countries are being invaded though
what do you personally benefit from having your taxes go towards a military which is just about making the corporations richer? does it make you feel safer? because you'd still be safe even if your military was a quarter of that size
>>52440929
weird reason to support trillions being spent on a military
>>52440643
>>52440870
>proud of having more useless ships than others
Hahaha, we have 20 moving airports, the millions of chineses destroyers have no chance.
>>52441017
it's epeen, bro. Why does anyone do anything? To be the guy no one else can beat in the dick waving contest.
>>52440929
>What are subs?
lol
>>52440643
>All that force projection
we have something like 75% of the attack helicopters that exist in the world
why? I have no idea. drones are better for killing muslims.
>>52440870
>The US is the sole country in the world that has the capability to project force across the globe on a large scale. The combined military air- and sealift capability of the rest of the world would be insufficient to even get a foothold on the continental United States. The amphibious assault capability of the world's militaries, excluding the United States, is simply too small.
Oh god my freedom boner.
![20151204_115932[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3tK3Iu2.jpg "20151204_115932[1].jpg")
American amphibious assault ships don't have ramps because it reduces the amount of deck space usable by helicopters. fixed-wing operations are a secondary concern.
>>52441017
>not many countries are being invaded though
Not many US allies you mean. Plenty of wars going on in places we dont protect.
Just not the first world, or the ex-second world (since russia is still pretty strong, a bunch of rusty t34s still beats a bunch of nothing)
The peace we enjoy is because its impossible to make war on us, or anywhere in our remote vicinity, which happens to be everywhere, since we have carriers.
Dont think humans suddenly got more civilized in the last 60 years.
>>52441071
>>52441336
it's because no one wants to be nuked lmao
all the aircraft carries in the world won't save us from that
>>52441484
this
nukes are the only deterrent
>>52437731
No one ITT knows wtf they're talking about. The real reason is you lose two helicopter landing spots with a ramp.
>>52441049
are you the retarded Brazilian who's never heard of a CSG that was posting in the last thread we had about aircraft carriers?
>>52437385
>>52437508
N E W
E
W
He literally posts every so often
>>52441689
>say aircarriers can beat nukes
>i'm the retard
>>52441049
Do you understand just how many submarines are with these ships?
The Chinese will never get close
>>52442023
I never said that though?
Your post implies that aircraft carriers sail out on their own and would be on their own versus Chinese destroyers when they are always in some form of CVBG, nowadays usually a CSG, which offer a multitude of protection options
>>52442232
Not just subs, they sail out with all kinds of shit
>>52442237
>>52442232
Where were the carriers when this happened?
>>52442427
Do you honestly think Americans get triggered by 9/11?
>>52442427
oh wow a september 11th picture never seen that one before. im outraged
>>52442506
Not really, but this statment:
>its impossible to make war on us since we have carriers
>impossible
>since we have carriers
>>52442628
Please point out to me where I made that statement. Thanks!
>>52437341
that's norway you horse-fucker
>>52442427
fuck off brazil
brazil is so irrelevant that if half your country was blown up, nobody would give a shit
we had 2 skyskrapers that were blown up and the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD MOURNED
>>52442651
You don't even remember what you said?
>>52441336
>>52440643
AUSTRALIA MENTIONED
>>52437341
BROTHER
>>52442693
Wow it's almost like there are multiple Americans in here! That's not my post. And that guy is wrong.
>>52442684
>american handling of online comments
>>52442748
To extend this, the US Navy and Air Force do make it nearly impossible to invade the US by sea or air, but it's not simply due to the fact that we have carriers.
>>52442783
HURR DURR 9/11 SO FUNNY HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
fuck you dude
9/11 was more than just peoples deaths
it was a massive fucking change in the world as a whole, it changed everybodys perception of everything, who knows where we'd be without 9/11
>>52442833
please calm down
>>52442748
Then why are you quoting me? I'm talking with the insane guy who think carriers are useful.
>>52442788
>impossible
So impossible that a fucking guy married to a sheep and using curtains like cloths did the "impossible", and was hidden for 10 fucking years.
>>52440643
>tfw relevant
>>52442748
>And that guy is wrong.
no, u
a few suicide muslims doesnt count as an invasion, merely an attack.
>>52442844
fuck off kid, you probably weren't even old enough to physically remember 9/11, your understanding of the world is so limited that you just have to resort to mindless and shallow banter because you're a failed person.
consider changing yourself otherwise just end yourself
>>52442911
>>52442850
>I'm talking with the insane guy who think carriers are useful.
Carriers are very logistically important. Not only can they act as mobile airbases, but their carrier groups refuel and resupply from the carrier, eliminating the need to lean heavily on auxiliaries.
They arent 'just' for launching attack craft to go attack something.
They also fill the diplomatic hole left by the battleships.
>>52442911
>>52442833
>>52442684
mad at a literal communist from brazil and an aussie whos just trying to make you mad
you are an embarrassment
>>52442922
you literally saved a picture of someone rightfully calling you out on your shallow banter, how old are you, 17? Grow up kid and learn your place. It's easy to laugh when you aren't a part of anything you failed excuse for a human bean.
>>52443031
>you literally saved a picture of someone rightfully calling you out on your shallow banter, how old are you, 17? Grow up kid and learn your place. It's easy to laugh when you aren't a part of anything you failed excuse for a human bean.
>>52441017
>trillions spent on military
>US military budget is still only 4.2% of the GDP
>>52443051
So fucking sad, you literally copied my post and posted a low effort image because you're an uncreative little shit who has to follow the herd because you're incapable of rational and comprehensible thought. Mods should really start deleting/banning posts that are this low effort. I'm being completely geniune here, your posts aren't funny and they're a waste of time and space for everybody else.
>>52443105
>>trillions spent on military
it's only ~580B
>>52442880
>guerrila warfare don't count
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, don't matters if you like how was the attack or not, it fucked ur cunt so deep that some people said the fall of murica started here.
>>52442976
>i hate them so they are commies
Everytime.
>>52442964
>They also fill the diplomatic hole left by the battleships.
What
>>52442844
>89kb
Holy fuck how long did that take to load?
>>52443130
>So fucking sad, you literally copied my post and posted a low effort image because you're an uncreative little shit who has to follow the herd because you're incapable of rational and comprehensible thought. Mods should really start deleting/banning posts that are this low effort. I'm being completely geniune here, your posts aren't funny and they're a waste of time and space for everybody else.
>>52443160
there's a lot of brazilian communists on here. no doubt you're at least a peronist.
>>52443031
>failed excuse for a human bean.
>a human bean
you are the gift that keeps on giving
>>52443140
>it's only 580 Fucking Billion
>>52443140
Well tell that the the britbong who said trillions. I was just quoting the cunt
>>52443200
yes it is -only- 580 "fucking billion" when being compared to the figure of trillions which you threw around
>>52443219
pretty sure he only greentexted that cause the brit said that it was in the trillions
>>52443219
There's two of us responding to you m8
Ausfag please my sides can't take anymore bantz
>>52443251
>>52443255
>>52443284
>>52443305
>>52443323
>Anonymous 0 seconds ago No.52443323Australian Safe.jpg (956 B, 125x112)File: Australian Safe.jpg (956 B, 125x112)googleiqdb>>52443305(You)
>>52443336
>I have 5 gigabytes of fedora pictures on my hard drive
>>52443372
>i have multiple fedora screenshots from youtube videos instead of, over time, saving images from the 'chon
>>52443185
>he don't think aicarriers can beat nukes
>he must be a commie
>>52443051
who are you even quoting?
dumb abo.
>>52438947
Hello there, Airstrip One.
We actually have quite a number of overseas possessions in the Pacific, but we don't bother using them because we have an unsinkable aircraft carrier in that region more commonly known as "Japan."
>>52443418
>who are you even quoting?
>
>dumb abo.
>>52443400
what? i havent been reading this thread.
>>52437496
Because it's from England, land of the Angles.
>>52436635
angle-terre
>>52443031
Just stop. Please
>>52443448
One of your fellow comrades said aircarriers make invasions impossible that even nukes can't deal with them.
Aren't the British carriers also coal-fired?
This thing carries 320 ESSMs.
Can you imagine it firing them all at the same time?
You can't make this shit up
>>52442232
At what point ever have the Chinese, in all of the history of every Chinese state, ever threatened to get close to anything or anyone that wasn't like right on their doorstep?
Furthermore; they could be armed with equipment a century ahead of the US, and twice as much of it, and they'd still lose if they had to fight anywhere farther afield than North Korea; because in all of China there are a total of 10 people who have any sense of direction.
>>52438947
We have you
>>52437341
THE RAREST
>By war's end in 1945, the United States Navy had added nearly 1,200 major combatant ships, including 27 aircraft carriers and 8 battleships, and had over 70% of the world's total numbers and total tonnage of naval vessels of 1,000 tons or greater.
I don't even want to guess what we could do nowadays if we had a wartime economy.
>>52443681
Zumwalt-Class Destroyer:
>$22.5 billion program cost (FY15)
>$3.96B/unit (FY15 ex R&D)
Is this absolutely necessary?
European military weakness was an intentional US aim after WWII (to prevent future European wars). Ironically, the British navy is one of the few institutions that wasn't constrained after the war. That is why the UK was able to ramp up militarization of their navy.
https://youtu.be/MIdUSqsz0Io?list=LLKjTcchbhPaetiUuYfV8nHA&t=274
skip to 4:30
>tfw no supercarrier
>tfw landlocked
>tfw no navy forces
>shitty T-72 and BTR
well at least not bad aviation
>>52441017
A lot of the Navies are used to protect trade. I hope I don't have to explain further on how the exchange of goods and services across the world benefit people.
Brittania ruled the waves and shiet senpai.
>>52447526
>the UK was able to ramp up militarization
>ramp up militarization
>ramp
