>77% L1 Russian speaking
>97% Russian-speaking at home
>60% ethnic Russian
>Arbitrarily and undemocratically transferred from Russian SSR to Ukrainian SSR in 1954 so it would be easier to supply with hydro-electricity
>Voted 96.77% to join Russian Federation
>This percentage corroborated by Western-run opinion polls
>Not Russian
it's a useless piece of shit
>>52434185
/thread
Crimea is turkish
Russians deported to siberia or killed all turkish people and then moved russian people to there
and then all you said happend
why does Russia want it anyway
>>52434185
Actually, it allows anyone who owns it to utterly dominate the northern Black Sea.
>>52434158
Crimea should be an independent Tatar state tbcfh
>>52434222
Sevastopol naval base.
>>52434241
This tbqh
>>52434219
No. The original owners were Cimmerians.
its 114% russian
>>52434224
>Black Sea
useless piece of shit
>>52434241
This.
But Russians genocided almost all of them.
>>52434350
>oil
useless piece of shit
It was Greek before it was T*rk dumb roaches
>>52434224
>NATO blockades the Bosporus
>half the Russian naval is now useless and they can't even manoeuvre around it
wew
>>52434158
Cлaвa Укpaїнi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uMoUW6Ksjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJGMfJeKrw
>>52434327
You know the Crimean Khanate carried off between 2-2.5 million white slaves from the Ukraine and Russia in their centuries long existence? You should hate them more than the Russians do.
>>52434502
Гepoям cлaвa.
>>52434487
Isn't Turkey blocking Russia access to the Bosphorus technically an act of war?
>>52434450
>mick innovation
have fun burning compressed dead things
>>52434487
If there's a major war between NATO and Russia, a naval conflict over the Black Sea is going to be the least of your worries (100% chance of nuclear war).
>>52434158
What's really weird is why did the Russians let Ukraine keep it in the first place, I mean they got away with holding that former German enclave between Poland and the Baltics
>>52434564
Polish Pans too. Should we hate Poland now? History is bitch,right now they are a small minority,which russian crimeans openly hate.
>>52434906
glory to heroes
>>52434224
That's false and has been for a long, long time.
>>52434740
In 1991 Ukraine was still fully friendly with Russia so it didn't really matter. I doubt anyone at the time that NATO & the EU would be attempting to extend to Ukraine 20 years later.
>>52434158
Does anyone remember the treaty Russia and the US and Ukraine signed to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine in return for their nukes going to Russia?
I mean, really. Russia agreed it was Ukrainian, then changed their minds when it was convenient. Putin stabbed Ukraine in the back, no way around it senpai.
why are people pretending that Ukraine and Russia are two different countries?
>>52435121
C*cks, sir.
>>52434740
Königsberg is yet another example of the Russians doing what they do best: forcibly and without mercy removing the entire native population of an area, followed by the rapid settling therein of ethnic Russians.
It's a skill they've spent centuries trying to perfect. Königsberg, Crimea, all three Baltic states, Kazakhstan, Moldova... it seem they might have borrowed a concept or two from someone. A certain swarthy Austrian man comes to mind.
>>52435238
He was inspired by the mythical tales of Americans removing indians.
>>52435121
So that you could shitpost on 4chan, sir.
>>52435121
Russians needs that >muh domination things
Ukrainians just need a changes inside and pretending to be another "not so bad" irrelevant east european country.
>>52434617
No, but it depends on who you ask.
The strait is located in its entirety within Turkish territorial waters, as it's only a few km's wide at it's widest.
The Russians, however, might tell you that they ought to have passage through the strait, for reasons I am sure you can imagine.
>>52435102
Do you remember that time in 1990 when Bush Sr. promised Gorbachev that NATO would not move an inch to the East (East Germany) after German unification? If anyone was stabbed in the back, it was Russia when Ukraine initiated an illegal coup, annulled ties with Russia, whored themselves to the West, and banned Russian-language media in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine.
>>52435475
>>52435562
That's a single president saying something versus a signed, ratified, and legally binding treaty.
One is an opinion on a course of action by a leader, good for the leader's time in office, the other is an oath your entire government must observe.
Also,
>illegal coup
>"president" had to flee his own country after some fuckers sat in a city square for a few months
>annulled ties with Russia
>by kicking their Russian-funded dictator-lite out and responding to Russian retaliation for it
>banned Russian language media
>not Russian propaganda seeing as how the Kremlin owns most Russian media
Russia is an international pariah and it earns its as such status every day. And I say that as someone who's been there, has friends there, and loves the people. Their government is awful.
git gud familia
>>52435238
Did you suddenly forget about the expulsion of Germans from literally every former German region ceded to the allies - Poland, Czechoslavakia, etc? If Russia is such a master of genocide why is 19% of the population non-ethnic Russian? Why do they have 185 ethnic groups? Why is 6.5% of the population Muslim?
>>52435562
How about I give now your family 15 minutes to pack their shit up and leave their property forever for what you just said?
Cause this is how Russian legal culture looked like for a century.
>>52435968
>ceded to the allies
>Poland, Czechoslavakia
disniggaserious.jpg
>>52435875
>Elected president
>'dictator'
>Unelected president
>Muh 'democracy,' with love from America
>kicking their Russian-funded dictator-lite out
>By replacing it with a bunch of Ukrainian oligarchs
>not Russian propaganda seeing as how the Kremlin owns most Russian media
>People shouldn't be allowed to watch TV in their own language because muh rt
>>52436333
Tell me right now. Is Petro Poroshenko not an elected president?
>>52436285
>What was Pomerania
>What was Silesia
>What was East Prussia
>Czechoslovakia
>Implying the Germans who lived there deserved to be kicked out
>>52436433
What on earth are you talking about?
Ethnic Germans were expelled on Soviet orders.
>Crimea thread without Natalia
no thanks =3
>>52436333
You seem upset.
>muh RT
Keep swallowing that propaganda and being a useful idiot for Russia. The fact is, I probably couldn't convince you even with evidence on hand because you're just so unwilling to believe Russia could be in the wrong here as to make this argument asinine.
Maybe it's wrong that the US is funding NGOs in Ukraine, but Russia's sticky fingers were even deeper in that pie than you want to admit, and costing the Ukrainian people far more than some unseen unknown American conspiracy to take over Ukraine for no reason whatsoever other than to piss Russia off.
>>52436422
He would never have got in if Yanukovych had been an option. Voter turnout was 60% excluding the pro-Yanukovych regions that didn't get to vote.
>>52434158
Go on, tell me about how British you are
>>52436433
Assuming this is not shitposting... my dear govnoyed.
Are you sure you really want to defend people who adamantly supported implementation of African colonial order in the middle of civilized world?
Are sure you really want to side with guys who have no respect to written code of laws because they were simply raised in "steal what's stolen" culture?
>>52436607
Did she die, why is nobody talking about her any more?
>>52436544
Really? The Benes decrees were made by Stalin and not Benes? The non-Russian allies tried to stop expulsions?
>>52436930
It's been nearly 2 years already and she hasn't done much interesting recently
>>52436959
Yes, really. The non-Russian allies had no possibility to do anything against Stalin's will. If they had, they'd be simply replaced. Like with tovarishch Frunze, who got a Party order to undergo surgery, though he was perfectly healthy guy. Or with president Bierut, who was called to Moscow and simply did not return home.
>>52436753
>muh RT
>Keep swallowing that propaganda
Where did I say I read that shit? If we're going to play the strawman game then you can back to reading your Vice.
>unseen unknown American conspiracy
>unseen
>unknown
Open your fucking eyes. The sole purpose NATO was created for in the first place was as an anti-Russia alliance, and currently it is trying to expand right to the borders of Russia, to annex every last piece of former Soviet clay. How blind are you?
>>52437336
>Vice is a legitimate news source
They are just an edgier buzzfeed at this point.
>>52434304
Except it really is mostly Russian. And it has been since 1850.
>>52435238
Germans had the same shit happen to them in Alsace-Lorraine. Most Eastern-Euros supported their forced removal. Poland especially.
Finally, Russia in 1992 offered Kalingrad back to Germany for $50 million and Germany rejected it.
And are you really going to say Russia was wrong to force out the very same Germans who killed 21 million Russians and were putting them in death camps for 4 years straight?
>>52434429
It was macedonian just like alexander and Aristotle
>>52437270
Polish people completely supported the removal of Germans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–50)
>The displacements occurred in three overlapping phases, the first of which was the spontaneous flight and evacuation of ethnic Germans in the face of the advancing Red Army, from mid-1944 to early 1945.[10] The second phase was the disorganised expulsion of ethnic Germans immediately following the Wehrmacht's defeat. The third phase was a more organised expulsion following the Allied leaders' Potsdam Agreement,[10] which redefined the Central European borders and approved orderly and humane expulsions of ethnic Germans from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary.[11
You nigs supported the Potsdam Agreement in full.
>>52434740
Soviet Republics had established intra-union borders which they stuck to post-independence.
Kaliningrad had been part of the Russian SFSR since it had been annexed from Germany.
>>52435238
This is a youtube comments-tier of history 'knowledge', Hans.
>>52439766
it was dem evil muscovite barbarians we was gud bois dindu nuffin
>>52435102
That's not the way it went Dr. Shekelberg. This is the way it went--
>West Ukraine (Kiev) had a coup.
Changed their government.
>East Ukraine (Donbas, Crimea) Had a coup.
Changed their government.
And please note- you started it, not Putin.
>>52434224
Until America puts a carrier in it
Honestly the entire ocean belongs to the USA
>>52440054
>a coup
>not a corrupt Russian puppet president fleeing the country after killing some civilians
Nah, they're still the same government. Either way, Russia is also the same government, and still bound by the treaty anyway. Stop trying to wish it away.
>>52434158
>deport Tatars
>import Russians
>is ours now guys!
No
>>52440314
>>52434219
fantastic
>>52440129
>that post
>the flag
>>52440451
Tatar doesn't mean Ukraine tho
so i don't really mind that the Russians have Crimea
>>52434906
Use Yandex translate next time, it can interpret 4chan's incorrect unicode.
>>52434219
and the Turks killed everyone there before them
the wheel always turns
>>52440129
Just try and get China to agree.
>>52440314
If you go by that standard, Istanbul belongs the Armenians and Greeks.
>>52440716
>Armenians
no
>Greeks
yes
>>52440559
>Yandex
>>52434158
What happens here?
>>52434617
Technically Turkey is free to block sthe strait if it is in war OR under threat of war.
>>52435061
This desu.
The retarded knee-jerk anti-Russia sentiment is only a new thing.
>>52440314
Doesn't seem to bother you guys when t*rkshits do the exact same thing
>>52440917
>He wants us to redpill him on Chongar incident
Just forget about that, dude. Seriously, you was warned.
>>52441388
it does.
this Russian shit is personal tho
>>52441456
>personal
Why? Crimean tatar heritage?
>>52441011
>Shoot down other nation's plane
>'We under threat of war now xD'
>>52441550
>American education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia
>>52441619
Yeah i know about karelia, but what does that have to do with crimea? I mean, it'd be like mexico getting mad at us for invading Iraq because we annexed half of their clay
>>52441619
>>52441619
What are you doing in Indonesia? It's like you're trying to get yourself executed for drug smuggling.
>>52441678
>52441456
it's the same shit they did to us.
and quite unsettling.
>>52441759
420
>>52441678
Pidorussian shill, pls...
>>52441678
Suomi = Finn
lads are russia going to annex more land soon? makes me sad how crippled they are now
>>52441935
probably.
but they are being kept up by a single man.
>>52434158
>it's the current year and almost 2016
>still arguing about crimea as if there are any options left.
>>52434158
>Denial
>>52434617
>Anger
>>52435562
>>52435968
Bargaining
>>52437336
>Depression
LIKE FUCKING CLOCKWORK desu
>>52435555
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits
>>52434185
Used to have a sick EDM festival hosted on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDM7OyjOTGs
I think it's hosted in Georgia now, though may have come back to Crimea this yr
>>52442029
>quoting posts where it doesn't even apply
Russia is quite literally a prison of nations
I can't imagine how dreadful it must be like to be forced to share a border with that shithole.
>>52441861
>hurr everyone is a russian
Ahmed please
>>52441857
Fair enough, empathy is a good reason to care
>>52436061
from what I remember most other 'cultures' had you hanged on a tree in typical scenario, many do it even today, we were somewhat merciful, grzegorz.
>>52442029
>Statistics and facts
>'Denial'
Wew lad
>Anger
>Bargaining
>Depression
Wot
>tfw I would still support and sympathise with Russia over any other Eastern country, and most of Western Europe too
>>52434158
>Denial of what evil/illegal shit Russia did.
>>52434617
Warmongering isn't anger, right?
>>52435562
>>52435968
West is also doing bad things, this makes us right, right? Fuck me if this isn't bargaining.
>>52437336
Poor Russia, always attacked by the west. NATO was created to destroy Russia ;_;. Not depression at all.
Saying crimea isn't russian is like saying Palestinine belongs to the kikes or las malvinas to the anglo-jews or saying anything west of the mississippi isn't 100% rightful mexican land
>>52439930
>You nigs supported the Potsdam Agreement in full.
Some superpowered whiteys co-written it, and presented to the world, and told the world to clap their hands. And honestly, nothing changed from FDR times to Bush Jr. times.
>Polish people completely supported the removal of Germans.
Especially the 20% of the population, which was already dead and not because of war attrition, but because of terrorist law enforced by Germans. Perhaps we should pat their heads? Seriously guys, I don't want to be ever judged by your jury, cause I know what burger diet does to imagination and empathy.
>>52434158
so if crimea is russian, why did russia go in and start killing russian people
>>52442542
Duh, from Truman, not FDR.
>>52442246
>Denial of what evil/illegal shit Russia did.
>Annexing an irrelevant region to protect majority Russian citizens from Russiophobic junta
>evil
It was illegal though. I don't see where denial comes into this.
>Warmongering isn't anger, right?
>Pointing out Turkey's warmongering
>This somehow counts as me warmongering
>West is also doing bad things, this makes us right, right?
No, it makes the West hypocrites. Why shouldn't they be held to the same standards that they put on Russia?
>Poor Russia, always attacked by the west. NATO was created to destroy Russia ;_;. Not depression at all.
Thanks for the diagnosis, doctor Latnigger. You're right, I'm oh so horribly depressed. How does this disprove my point?
There's only one stage of arguing with a Russia-hater: intense, incurable butthurt.
>>52442668
Wew lad
>>52434224
Sort of. Russians really need their base, and they won't give it up.
US/EU doesn't want Russians to have the base, but aren't willing to push it too far.
Shitty small scale unofficial conflict continues on.
Civilians continue suffering, conflict remains unresolved for years, then just sort of dies out.
The end.
>>52442979
>believing this
WEW LAD
>>52442979
>What is "anschluss" ?
>>52442875
>intense, incurable butthurt.
Which you display in this whole thread, cause somebody dares to say naughty words about your beloved Russia. We just know what Russia is, and what Russian authorities are capable of, because we live with these people door to door, since Moscow was founded. And you don't. You don't know shit about Eastern Europe's reality, but you want to teach us how we should arrange our relations, while sitting in your comfy chair on your comfy island. What makes you think you''re competent in this matter at all?
>>52443348
>What makes you think you''re competent in this matter at all?
I'm a wizard.
Deal with it.
Also
>His entire post is an argument from ad hominen
>>52443206
>Kikeopedia
>Lying to make Russia look good
That's because Russia mass imported Russians to Crimea to make it Russian. Same thing they did with Kaliningrad.
That is how Russia takes over territory. It's smart but still not legitimate. Crimea was rightfully Ukrainian territory and Russia LITERALLY invaded and took it over, and THEN forced a referendum.
>>52443688
1. It was Tatar not Ukrainian.
2. This happened in the 18th and 19th centuries. Is it also 'not legitimate' that Canada and New Zealand are white?
>>52443688
>canada was rightfully indian's territory and canadians LITERALLY invaded and took it over
>>52435102
Except that Ukraine was a defunct non state when they didn't follow their constitution to recreate their government. Thereby, the operating Ukrainian government recognized internationally was no longer a continuation of the one which signed those treaties and so Russia has no obligation to abide by them. Plus, the west backed creation of kosovo ("will of the people") was of the exact same making as crimea's independence, the only difference being that Crimea then joined Russia.
I'm a nationalistic westerner that realizes you'd have to be retarded to support western claim. Absolutely retarded.
>>52443688
After such posts I realize that these people know really nothing about history of Russia, Ukraine or Crimea though doing such strong claims as who legitimaly owns anything there.
Transferring it to Ukranian SSR made a lot of sense logistically. Supplying Crimea from Russia is pain even now. It was deemed irrelevant anyway, no one could imagine that USSR will just cease to exist back then.
>>52444050
two wrongdoings doesn't make it right, murribro.
russia, ukraine and west are all wrong here, I see no reason to take sides when all the sides are full of shit.
>>52444123
It doesn't matter because the concept of legitimate ownership doesn't make much sense.
>>52444165
Of course it's petty BS. That's all international bartering is, a bunch of limp wristed two faced retards whining at eachother.
In the Crimean situation, of course Russia was a cunt, but it was a cunt that acted lawfully and so it has the upper hand. The same way that Russia is being a lawful cunt in Syria while the US is trying to be a completely underhanded cunt. I'm tired of everyone being self-centered cunts, but at least Russia is being lawful about it despite still being an asshole.
Howsabout we respect international laws from now on and when they're shit we try to neutrally reform them?
>>52440451
forgot one
literally reddit tier discussion. fucking reddit shits.
>>52444242
current world knows only one rule and it's 'might makes right'.
I won't blame the west for it, but it's the reality where we live in now. UN can't do shit.
>>52444349
Is there also map of urbanization? Because bunch of rednecks half of which left their country to Poland surely have less ppssibility to have AIDS.
>>52444408
>>52444408
Russians love heroin.
Ukraincucks BTFO
CRIMEA RIGHTFUL TATAR CLAY
CRIMEAN KHANATE BEST
>>52444734
>Muslims
Not even once
>>52444050
>hurr durr we're not obliged to honor our word because we don't feel like it thanks for those nukes though
Putin a shit. He's dug Russia into a hole internationally.
>>52444825
Lipka Tatars make no problems here.
So far. Hell knows what will happen when they receive some "spiritual care" from Middle-Eastern imams.
>muh Tatars
>muh Konigsberg
You fight, you loose, deal with it moralfags
>>52444887
M8, the Ukrainians voided themselves as an entity when they didn't follow their constitutional requirements for re-establishing their government. The current entity internationally recognized as Ukraine is not the same entity which signed that treaty.
Plus, as aforementioned, Crimea willed itself independent by over 90% approval and then willingly became a part of Russia. When the USA and NATO backed Kosovo's independence it unwittingly set precedence for the same actions even when they are against it.
There's your law lesson for the day.
>>52445022
One could try to undermine the approval rate, as the attendance was, according to some sources, reaching over 100% (as usual when post-tsarist Russia tries to establish her authority somewhere). IIRC independent observers was denied to access the peninsula when the voting was held.
>>52445022
No, they were off by 1 to 2 percentage points of the requirement. They rounded it up - better than disbanding the government entirely when Russia was bearing down on them, already sending in fighters. There's YOUR lesson for today.
>Crimea willed itself independent
>with the Russian military already occupying the province
That's an act of war, senpai. The only reason Ukraine didn't respond to it as such was it knew who those "volunteers" were. Russia's a bully, they took Ukraine's nukes which it could have defended itself with and then they came back for more later. Their word, their honor, is garbage, and the world knows it.
The Russian government fucked up, and they deserve everything they get for it.
>>52445153
There were many sources there saying such things while being upset that there were Russian flags everywhere, because they were so stupid they didn't realize they were Crimean flags. I don't doubt foul play in that arena desu, but that's why I hate international relations so much. It's nothing but cunts and assholes, you're either getting fucked or shitting everywhere.
>>52445443
actually it was the US who forced ukies disarmament, not Russia. not only nukes, you even paid for the utilisation of their strategic bombers and such.
>>52445443
Yep, I know m8 but that's still under the constitutional requirement thus voiding them as being the same entity as the one who signed that nuclear arms treaty. They flinched and broke the rules.
Kek, m8 we bully just the same. Are you fucking fifteen? International scene isn't about morality, everyone's a devil including us. I remain nationalistic regardless, but at least admit that a goats a goat.
It's good Ukraine doesn't have nukes, dumbass. It's just too bad the one that gave them away and remained protected from Russia no longer exists.
Get your babbytier emotions out of this.
>>52442029
back to reddit
>>52445497
Yes, but Russia agreed to it and signed that treaty saying it would respect the borders of Ukraine.
We just wanted all the eggs in one basket, so to speak, when it came to nuclear proliferation, and we knew that Moscow had a habit of not blowing the world up or threatening to use them, just like us - so we could easily work together, as we had for decades. But giving up the nukes made Ukraine vulnerable to Russian aggression, so they required Russia to respect their borders after the Soviet Union's breakup.
>>52445602
>they broke the rules
>as Russia was sending armed fighters into the country to annex territory
Yeah, time was of the essence faggot. Russia sure was following the rules, yessiree, attacking a country without, if we believe your claim, a government, just because they could. Isn't that a peach - at least they filled out the right forms, I heard there was 100% voter turnout and even the dead voted 90% to join Russia!
>a goats a goat
>muh realpolitik
Get out of here with that bullshit. This isn't the 19th century, and we sure as hell don't act like Russia does, even if our foreign policy is pants on head retarded.
I don't think Ukraine would have been allowed to keep their nukes when they couldn't even keep their military. And unlike Russia, they didn't have the infrastructure to build or maintain them.
>>52445602
>It's good Ukraine doesn't have nukes, dumbass
But it's bad in the same time, cause the lesson every single devil of international relations has learned from this crisis is that nukes and nukes only guarantee territorial integrity of a state and that there is no international mechanism to protect one's borders but the bare nuclear blackmail.
>>52445806
I think they got the message with Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.
>>52445737
Enjoy your throat being a cockwarmer for the media, you should try reading for a change. Start with Propaganda by Edward Bernays.
>>52445927
>be careful of propaganda
>seek enlightenment like me
>listen to RT and Kremlin media
You're a useful idiot, senpai. I understand if you just want to be an edgy contrarian, but Russia's engaged in an actual war with people they had a treaty with just because they felt like it - your feelings don't change that.
>>52446005
We do the same shit you halfwit. You're approaching this from a moral position rather than a purely nationalistic one, which is why you're so obviously retarded. We do the same shit. Fuck Russia in the fact that it hurts our power, but they're more in the right here than we are. Our government has been more than a bit devilish and manipulative lately.
>>52446232
We haven't invaded any neighbors who we have treaties with saying we will not only respect their borders but their security as well. How many times will you come back to this point, "Oh boo hoo the US does bad things too you know!"
Jesus Christ, I realize we are not perfect, but as this image points out >>52442029 we are NOT talking about the US here. We are talking about Russia and them invading a country where their currently serving foreign minister (Sergei Lavrov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances) is the same one who signed the damn treaty to respect that country's borders and security situation! For fuck's sake man, that is not a defensible position in the slightest. Stop trying to change the subject and make this about America doing something else. America can do bad things, that does not cancel out Russia doing bad things or make them any better.
>>52446491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq5IlDB-Ago
>>52445737
the ukies were obligated to stay neutral in that treaty, the US was obligated not to involve in it's internal affairs as well.
both the US involvement and the euromaidan nullified the treaty, thus russia has no reason to obligate its terms anymore.
>>52434305
Nope. Russia needs a port that can access the Atlantic during winter. It's northern ports cant do that. That's why the Sevastopol naval base is so important.
>>52446584
So why did the leader of Ukraine flee immediately to Russia when the going got tough if Ukraine was neutral? Why did Putin immediately seize Crimea if the government had just fallen, and it was not yet known who was responsible for what? Is neutrality being pro-Russian? Putin admitted in his documentary/propaganda film about Crimea that he ordered troops in the minute he knew Ukraine's leader had fled. Rather than find out who was behind it all and seek a diplomatic solution, he decided now was the time to start a civil war in a neighboring country.
If the US funded and executed this "coup" then why did it take so long to work and how did it have so much popular support? Why did the leader flee if his claim to power was legitimate, and he was not corrupt? Were some protesters in an icy square too much for his fragile psyche? Or were there really deep problems with the Ukrainian government?
Why did the US and EU not help more if it was their handiwork? Why did the head of the US diplomatic mission to Eastern Europe say "fuck the EU" in a leaked recording if it was a Western bloc attempt to pry Ukraine from its "neutrality"/Russia?
Really, Russia was fucking around in Ukraine's domestic politics for a long time. It's the pot calling the kettle black - how dare you do something I do all the time! A lot of corrupt politicians helped them out, looking for money and power; it wasn't hard but it wasn't right. So the minute people protest what was going on, it's a US involved coup? The US has NGOs to promote democracy, sure, but they're all over the world, and aimed at helping the country they're in, not against anyone in particular.
I'll never understand it. Russia really did try to justify this all after they had already acted, so hardly any of it adds up. The narcissism of it all - that small US NGOs aiding Ukrainians to protest corruption is really aimed at threatening Russia, as if everything the US or Ukraine do has to be about Russia - is baffling.
>>52446660
Well, Russia has Kaliningrad. And IIRC Novorosiysk. If those ports are insufficient for Russia's needs, they could be developed and I think it would be cheaper than building this fucking bridge over the Kerch Strait (which has been already halted BTW).
There was no rationale for starting the whole crisis other than to paralyse process of Ukraine's accession to Western structures (NATO and EU) and for one simple reason: because this would make Ukraine, an Orthodox country from the Russosphere, richer and better managed than Moscow puppets were interested in and capable of. And this would mean, sooner on later, another Maidan,, but this time on the Red Square.
>inb4 Maidaneks were US paid shills
As long as we talk about ordinary people who died there, they were struggling for their dream (they called it Revolution of Dignity) and not for money.
>>52446582
>what do you think of Russia-Ukraine
>let me tell you about Cuba and the US 80 years ago
Chomsky's a faggot m90. A good linguist with shit, pop political opinions.
>>52447002
The fact that you're condemning Russia, again, for moralist reason is why you lose. There are no morals in international relations, just treaties and might. We fuck the rules as much as them, you're just too stupid to realize that. Fuck off you damned child, of course countries manipulate others for the sake of power.
>wahhhhh russias a bully and we're innocent
Fucking blind infant.
>>52445806
>nukes guarantee territorial integrity
>what is Pakistan & India
>what is sino-soviet border conflict
>>52447355
>murrican education
Just check the dates, they're on wiki.
>>52447472
What?
>Soviet Union got nukes 20 years before Sino-Soviet border conflict started
>India/Pakistan conflict is ongoing
>>52447002
>the ukies were obligated to stay neutral
>So why did the leader of Ukraine flee immediately to Russia when the going got tough if Ukraine was neutral?
What the fuck? He said 'obliged', not 'were'.
>>52447055
Whatever makes you feel better, anon.
Any discussion regarding Crimea is useless. If you have any thoughts come to Sevastopol and ask 100 random persons on street about their opinion. You will get the same % that was on the referendum. People's will is above everything in modern in modern relations. Treaties, agremeents and international laws are irrelevant in this situation. This new world order was set by the US/West aftet Kosovo, so it could be returned before any discussion on Crimea status.
>>52450254
If treaties, agreements and international laws are irrelevant, then there is no world order anymore, regarding this situation. There is also no argument the other side could recognize as valid. So any discussion is useless indeed. Let the cannons speak.
>Our tanks can reach Kiev in two days.
>>52450928
Did NATO took any arguments from Serbia into consideration? Was Kosovo crisis solved by anything except NATO "cannon speech" and KFOR? Would Boland recognize possible Kosovo and Albania unification? If you have answered "yes" at least once — STFU.
>>52434219
So it was turkish.
t. Albertomir Barbovich
>>52445443
>Russia
>Their word, their honor, is garbage, and the world knows it.
This is called 'projection'
>>52434429
it was german and greek
>>52434219
The Tatars were disgusting slaver pieces of shit who introduced Europe to the Black Death
Siberia was too good for them
