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What is the most powerful European country?
>>52419412
Spain
>European country
>powerful
>>52419412
by what mesure?
economically germany
militarily britain or france
also
>Russia
>Europe
tip top kek
>>52419412
Portugal
Poland
>>52419412
Iceland
>>52419602
All measures which you think contribute to power
IMO it's a combination of military, economy, culture and diplomatic influence.
When I take all of these into account I find that the UK is the most powerful European country
>>52419412
>>52419563
Spain
>>52419412
Greater Germanic Reich
It's not fair to include Russia in Europe because it's more powerful than all of it combined desu senpai. It'd have to be France or Britain.
>>52419412
Probably UK tbphwyl (to be perfectly honest with you lad)
>>52419702
it isn't that simple tho.
overall if we sum up everything then yes, you're right, but the point is that ultimately you're wrong.
take brexit for example.
if it would contribute britain we would have it behind us already. but apparently cameron is on tour around europe seeking support for his agenda. if britain is so powerful why he need to do so?
>>52419412
Russia
>>52419820
>russia
>europe
nice meme
>>52419757
you mean greater germanic rich
Turkey
>>52419954
dont be so bitter pooland, you'll get liberated again
>>52419983
>turkey
>european
>having any kind of power
so many memes i cant even
>>52419820
>People who literally dont even know how to build outhouses have nukes
>>52419915
It's politics. Cameron needs to allow your leaders to save face, and he needs to show the Eurosceptics at home that he's making an effort.
The EU renegotiation actually proves you wrong and proves me right. The other EU leaders will end up making concessions that change the EU to more how the UK wants it. Why are your leaders even listening to Cameron? Why don't they just kick us out? Because they want the UK inside even if it means they have to make concessions.
>>52419820
>It's not fair to include Russia in Europe because it's more powerful than all of it combined desu senpai.
Haha. Russia is pretty weak.
are we talking about in a hypothetical scenario where the US doesn't exist? if not it's definitely the UK
>>52420037
turkey has the best military in NATO after the us senpai
>>52420083
then do you honestly think that the UK would be able to fight it alone?
>>52419412
powertugal
UK
Estonia or UK
>>52420118
The US isn't a European country. Are you talking about your bases? Pic related doesn't make the UK an American country.
>>52420157
>then do you honestly think that the UK would be able to fight it alone?
Well obviously yes. And we'd probably win a naval war against them. Before you start chimping out, fighting Russia doesn't mean invading it. We couldn't invade Russia, but then again Russia couldn't invade Britain. So what point are you trying to make?
France
Power is highly contextual.
Obviously it's UK, France or Germany in most regards (Russia is too isolated to do anything).
If I had to put chips on somebody it would be the UK, but that's just a guess, Germany has the Union by the heart and France needs only wake up to contest that heart.
>>52419412
Andorra
>>52419412
The Philippines
>>52419412
Papal State.
>>52420228
>>52420218
Wrong
>>52420259
Right
FACT: Filipinos
The obvious 3 are Germany, France and the UK. Compared to them the rest are nothing, France and the UK have similarly powerful armies while Germany does not. Germany is more of an economic powerhouse than either.
Overall I'd have to say the UK, though each has significant advantages over the others in specific areas
>>52420118
Reading is hard
>>52419412
Russia.
>>52419412
Greenland
>>52420324
>though each has significant advantages over the others in specific areas
the most significant advantage is that my country would pick france over the other two
>>52420400
>>52420259
GREATEST
>>52420361
you wish
>>52420324
I agree with the UK because they are doing well economically and have the military. What they lack is a strong voice in EU compared to Germany, but Big Dave is on that, or so I hear.
>>52420324
i'm not saying the US is a european country retard, i'm saying whether US influence and backing of a particular nation plays a part in ranking power in europe, as well as how much power those nations have in swaying the US to its cause. it's a different scenario if it's just a free-for-all
>>52420258
The point I'm trying to make is that Russia could nuke the surface of the planet several times over. Of course a maritime power can defeat a country with almost no sea access, but that won't matter much when your country is a crater.
As a fact there's only three countries that the US ever worries about, and they're Iran, China and Russia.
>>52420400
>the most significant advantage is that my country would pick france over the other two
Not through any sense of loyalty though, You'd pick whichever one of us is dick riding you at the time, which right now is France.
>>52419412
Memes aside anyone who doesn't think it's g*rmany is retarded.
>delusional people choosing France
kek you wish
>>52420400
Your masturbatory fantasies in which the US govt gives a fuck about France aren't real life. In any way between the three of them the US would spend it's time being Jews and writing strongly worded letters
Which European country is the most European though? Obviously the US is the most American in North America.
>>52420361
*buthurt belt activates*
The UK has won. Won everything. Won civilisation, humanity, world conquest.
The UK has won the culture war, the English language and Anglo media is the worlds most prominent and overruns weak indigenous tribal "cultures" like German, French and Chinese like a tsunami
Won the the realm of education, establishing the worlds top universities in the UK or founded by the British elsewhere. No, your quaint little tribal Shaman-hut universities outside the Anglo world are just there for flavouring.
Won the game of science by inventing the modern world, digital information age, industrial world
Won the game of colonisation, beating out all others soundly, the only successful coloniser which reshaped the face of the planet in Her image. In thousands of years the borders may still remain and to the people of the future, if disconnected from the history of the past, may very well believe the artificial boundaries and cultures of the world were created by God, when it was really just the UK
Britain
Out of the big three, I'd say UK.
>>52420499
>Russia could nuke the surface of the planet several times over
are you implying that those stone-age never modernised nukes would ever have capability to be launched?
>>52420561
Thanks to USA we are, but only thanks to the US.
>>52420523
which is why we supported them in libya despite our government not actually wanting to intervene with gaddafi?
>>52420502
you are simplifying this, but in no point through history has a country allied itself with another one through altruistic means.
>>52420591
Yes. Sorry to ruin your hussar fantasy, but stop meming about how you're still butthurt over Russia.
>>52420568
italy has aircraft carriers?
didnt know that
Finland with the population of 50-60 million
>>52420641
There's a difference between the US supporting France when they're upset with dune coons and the US supporting France when the UK and Germany are involved
Ukraine
>>52420475
>What they lack is a strong voice in EU compared to Germany, but Big Dave is on that, or so I hear.
This is because we're not in the Eurozone. Pros and cons, we get the advantage of our own currency but less influence in Europe. In the EU we have influence over the rules of the single market, which is the most important thing to the UK. The UK sees itself as a country with global aspirations rather than just a European country, therefore it won't commit to something like the Eurozone. Like everything in life it's a tradeoff.
A good way to think about this, is to realise that Germany is more powerful in Europe, and the UK is more powerful in the world as a whole.
>>52420499
I know Russia has nukes, and if they use those nukes they commit suicide. Their nukes are therefore only useful for defence. I'm not impressed with this "muh gorillian nukes" argument. If nukes were all that mattered, why does Russia invest in a conventional army? It's bullshit.
At the end of the day conventional power projection is what powerful countries aspire to.
>>52420682
>you're still butthurt
it's not like whole world and especially russia is butthurt that poland exists
stay mad
>>52419412
Germany of Britain with USA shoulder
the UK 2bqh
Israel
>>52420706
they have one of the better militaries in europe
>>52419412
Portugal
UK because america is its greatest ally
Germany
>>52420706
So does Spain.
Italy's is regarded as Europe's 3rd military power (after UK and France) by most people who think about these things.
>>52420821
most of the world couldn't find you on the map la
>>52419412
Portugal
Margaret Thatcher's UK
>>52421037
Technically we were at our weakest economically and militarily during the Thatcher years.
>>52421120
But what matters is what happened after that, you can't give credit for leaders who came after her
>>52419618
Thank you oldest ally.
>>52421120
I'd be amazed if we weren't weaker militarily now tbqh
>>52419412
Spain
>>52419412
Estonia
>>52419412
http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories/20151216-coastguart-royalnavy.html
>ARLINGTON, Va. — Three dozen U.S. Coast Guardsmen are serving with the U.K. Royal Navy (RN) to alleviate a manpower shortage in the RN, not as a routine personnel exchange program.
>Speaking Dec. 15 at a Special Topic Breakfast sponsored by the Navy League and PricewaterhouseCoopers, Coast Guard Commandant ADM Paul F. Zukunft said that 36 Coast Guardsmen currently are serving full-time in the Royal Navy.
>“Sixteen years ago, [the RN] was looking at budget challenges and they figured that one way they could meet budget is if they bring in no new [personnel] accessions,” he said. “They did that for three years. So now, over 16 years [later], you’ve got this big hole in the Royal Navy in sea-going ratings, engineers [and] electricians.”
>According to Zukunft, “the First Sea Lord, Sir George Zambellas, said ‘I would love the United States Coast Guard to come serve in the Royal Navy. We’ll take up PCS [permanent change-of-station] costs, put the folks up in homes [to] live the great European lifestyle.’”
>“’Why don’t you ask the United States Navy?’” Zukunft said he asked Zambellas. “’They’re much bigger than we are.’
>“He said, ’Well, you have old ships, we have old ships. Yours aren’t under warranty, ours aren’t under warranty. When they break, far away from home, the first thing you do is call is the duty engineer to come down and fix it. You don’t call a contractor.”
When can Britain become an official American colony?
>>52420821
>especially russia is butthurt that poland exists
No one here really care about Poland, sorry.
>>52420568
2 million doesn't seem like a lot for China desu considering how big their population is.
>>52419412
UK, the same like Japan
Finland since we won war against the former holder of the title, Russia
>>52421222
Militarily we're stronger now then we were then
>>52420512
>delusional people choosing UK
kek you wish
>>52420561
This.
And it's all thanks to the protestant work ethic and culture, which the other main competitors (France and Germany) lack for being entirely or mixed catholic.
>>52421393
Yeah, Kremiln have an another girlfriend for an suffer.
>>52421478
b-but the cuts
>>52420568
>GB is stronger than France because of...their budget
Jej
>>52420836
>>52420574
>>52421037
Finland, Russia, y
>>52419563
Kek no. Currently in Spain. Your country blows
>>52420083
>12h. naval reaction time
Haha.
>>52420502
>You'd pick whichever one of us is dick riding you at the time, which right now is France.
france likes us?
I thought they hated us? never been to france but when I've been to uk they usually had a haughty attitude of superiority to americans (you guys do to but to a lesser extent).
we've been much stronger in our alliance with uk, we changed french fries to freedom fries on the official menu at the congress cafeteria because france wouldn't help us in our middle east endeavors. theres also the whole them trying to flip flop and leave nato.
is it because of the whole paris shootings?
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>>52421446
you're strong just against Russia
Official power rankings. In terms of economic influence, and military might.
1. Britain
2. Germany
3. France
4. Russia
5. Italy
The rest is up to debate and literally no care.
>>52421690
Parisians and normal French people are very different.
>>52421384
You realise the US is actually closing down bases in the UK, right?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-30725366
And the RN and RAF are now getting more personnel
>>52421521
The capability gaps from the cuts are now being filled, and everything we're getting now is a lot better than we had back then.
New carriers bring back capability we lost in the 60s, and we have the first planned increase in RN frigate fleet numbers since WW2. But the most important area of improvement is in logistics, which no one pays attention to because it isn't sexy, but it's important.
If you remember the Falklands War, they had to commandeer civilian cruise liners in order to transport the Royal Marines and Paras down to the South Atlantic. That logistical picture is so much better today, meaning we can move things around the world with less effort
>>52421446
B-but Karelia. Don't you miss it?
>>52421775
so which one hates us or is it both?
isn't paris like mostly black now?
>>52421654
>russia
>navy
>>52421690
Disregard what the average person thinks. Favourable views change depending on what's happening in the world. The U.S fell out with France for a bit over Iraq and now relations have warmed you're cosying up to them because they're more willing to do shit in the Middle East.
>reminder that 37% of french newborns are of African descent
>>52421856
Paris is the main source of the "snooty Frenchie" stereotype.
>>52419412
Take a dice
1-2 is UK
3-4 is France
5-6 is Germany
>>52421843
The people who do are dying bro
>>52421763
Errr
Rude
>>52421904
Reminder that America has at least 40 000 000 nigs...more than the population of Canada
Germany
>>52421037
It's no exaggeration to say that today's government is more Thatcherite than Thatcher
>>52421860
>Russian Navy in Pools (Baltic pool, Black pool and Japan pool)
>>52421891
>The U.S fell out with France for a bit over Iraq and now relations have warmed you're cosying up to them because they're more willing to do shit in the Middle East.
are you guys not? isreal was invented by the UK so I find it a bitch that we have to sort out the problems that your plans caused. why can't UK be GREATEST ALLY to the shekelsteins of isreal and not us.
>>52422084
Russian Northern Fleet is by far their best one, and that's the one we'd be fighting in a war. We could handle it though.
>>52422106
>why can't UK be GREATEST ALLY to the shekelsteins of isreal and not us.
We tried, you should read about the Suez Crisis. Back when the US was more powerful than it is today, it removed British influence from the middle-east and replace it with US influence. After the Suez Crisis humiliated Britain, the US made itself Israel's greatest ally.
We're getting more involved in the middle-east again, but our main allies are Bahrain, Oman, etc not Israel.
>>52420568
>that aircraft carrier design
>>52422106
Israel was created by the U.N m8.
>>52419412
Army wise, it's irrelevant since waging wars is only used to stabilize potential markets and for indirect internal security.
Economy wise, Germany all the way. Being able to be an export powerhouse with no depreciation gives a lot of influence for a number of reasons.
The rest of the euro zone is dog food for German exports and nothing more.
>>52422068
we are like 12% nig and their population isn't going up or down. I would've accepted that we are flooded with central americans but calling us out on black people is a non-issue
>>52421798
You forget that you have like 15 fewer destroyers and fewer submarines.
In absolute capability of course nowadays you're better because of technology, but in relative capability the UK today is the weakest ever.
Most powerful EU country: Germany
Most hated EU country: England
Country that contributed the most to the world: Bulgaria (first computer, cyrilic alphabet, the pill, first military aircraft, the car gear .. to name a few)
>>52421763
Britain relies exclusively on services exports and are literally at the bottom of the chain when it comes to economic influence. The only thing they have for themselves are self sustaining speculative bubbles. Even France is better than the UK here.
>>52422462
>You forget that you have like 15 fewer destroyers and fewer submarines.
I didn't forget that. You're the one who is forgetting that 1) our new submarines and destroyers are in a totally different league and 2) the Cold War is over and the Royal Navy is gearing up for expeditionary campaigns again.
During the Cold War the RN's entire focus was on patrolling the GIUK gap for Soviet submarines and fighting the Soviet navy in the North Sea. Today its focus is on putting together a maritime task group to go much further afield and project power. To do that, you need very high-end escort ships for the task group which means fewer of them. For regular patrol they're building more OPVs, and there is also a plan to expand frigate numbers again by creating a new light frigate model.
>>52422591
>Britain relies exclusively on services exports
What's wrong with services exports? Do you have any legit reason why this is worse than exporting dodgy cars?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-exports-analysis-idUKKCN0T40QI20151115
>Analysis - Surging services exports augur healthier UK trade future
>>52419412
Germany
Strongest economy, and most influence in the EU.
>>52422821
No, services are great!
But when talking about power they are the bottom of the barrel products, they depend heavily of backwards linkages. If Germans, Chinese or Indians (or Chinese now) don't produce you can't serve them: you depend on the producers.
As for the article, it's only about narrowing a deficit thanks to comparative advantage.
>>52421763
>Countries without nukes
>>52423172
>But when talking about power they are the bottom of the barrel products, they depend heavily of backwards linkages. If Germans, Chinese or Indians (or Chinese now) don't produce you can't serve them: you depend on the producers.
I don't understand. Any advanced product, services or goods, depends on a supply chain. Services and goods are both vulnerable to the people you're selling to choosing not to buy them.
Why are services bottom of the barrel?
Eesti
>>52424279
>vulnerable to the people you're selling to choosing not to buy them.
Well, yeah. But there is an extra step in the equation for services.
service provider -> producer -> consumer
Service providers depend on both the producer(s) and the consumer.
The service providers depends on the producer. The relation doesn't necessarily go the other way.
>>52422591
>>52423172
Oh wait I just noticed this:
>The only thing they have for themselves are self sustaining speculative bubbles.
You're an idiot then. Carry on.
>>52419412
Who cares?
>>52419412
Russia
1) Russia
2) UK
3) Germany
4) France
5) Italy
>>52424673
Are you trying to say that exporting cars *doesn't* depend on producers? What do you think cars are made of?
United States
>>52419702
t. Tony Blair
>>52424787
I am trying to say that the services surrounding the production of cars/any good are only helping tools that are purely optional.
>>52424901
I don't get it.
If you need to export a car, you're reliant on a supply chain to produce all the different parts of said car, and you're reliant on demand from your customers.
If you need to export a service (like a tv programme), you're reliant on a supply chain to supply all the talent, technical requirements, broadcasting etc, and you're reliant on demand from your customers.
It's exactly the same idea. The only difference is that goods are "tangible" and services are not. That doesn't make services worse. In fact the demand for intangibles is only growing in advanced economies, and it will also grow in developing economies as they too advance.
1. Germany
2. UK
3. Poland
4. France
5. Russia
>>52425204
Rude
>>52424761
Bilel pls
Tschörmeni >:D
>>52425048
You're not wrong. A services has requirements to come into existence like any products.
This is not a problem. The problem is that the exportable service is for the most part a product for another producer to use, only a method inside production, unlike consumer goods that are, by nature, to be consumed.
But I see what you mean, yes, some services have a direct relationship to the consumer market, I stand corrected on that.
>>52419412
Canada
>>52420818
Also, we're kind of throttling the EU, at the moment.
The Germans are rather worried - not too worried, but worried nonetheless - about us leaving the EU, since they know it will result in its collapse.
>>52425204
Germany is more powerful, at the moment. But, in 2 - 5 years time, the UK will be on top.
>>52425667
>The problem is that the exportable service is for the most part a product for another producer to use, only a method inside production, unlike consumer goods that are, by nature, to be consumed.
You must be thinking of very specific examples.
MANY goods are exported purely for the "producers" that you talk about. For example, the Chinese exports that are parts for iPads and smartphones, and the exporters of the parts that Germany puts in their cars. These are *physical* goods exports, and they are *not* for end-user consumption
Likewise, MANY services are for the end user to consume as entertainment or a tool. Films, music, computer games, legal services, financial services, books, consultancy services, advertising...
>>52426139
Keep dreaming
FRANCE WILL RISE AGAIN
>>52419412
1. Russia
*Powergap*
2. Germany
3. The UK
*Powergap*
4. Switzerland
5. Italy
6. Poland
7. France
8. The Netherlands
*Powergap*
9. Spain
10. Sweden
>>52426322
Doubt it will rise higher than the UK.
Great powers in Europe: United kingdom, France, Germany, Russia
UK, France, Germany lead EU so Russia is just a big shithole where the government has lots of nukes.
The average person doesn't think of France as super powerful. I was surprised to find that it's considered a great power. It's sphere of influence is basically just a bunch of African countries and quebec.
The UK has a large sphere of influence covering multiple developed countries, has nuclear bombs and most people think of it as a great power. Germany doesn't have any personal nukes or a sphere of influence outside of Europe.
The United Kingdom is the most powerful European country.
Finland, obviously
we have the biggest meme business
>>52426616
GREATEST ALLY (1776-1778 and 1812-1815 never happened)
>>52426616
I'm one of the Brit anons arguing for the UK as most powerful, but I think you're wrong about the perception of the UK. I don't think most people think of us as a great power.
In foreign media I mostly see articles about British decline or we're ignored completely. To people in foreign countries, I've noticed we're liked but not seen as powerful, more as a quaint relic of the past.
Imo the UK is more powerful than most people imagine and gaining in influence, but our public image is definitely a 'small island' which is fading in influence. I doubt this will change short of some kind of war
>>52422019
*a die
>>52426616
We've more nukes than them
Oh, and only "huuuur le surrender fronce xd" think France is not a Great Power
But yea, we don't have an Australia, a Canada or a NZ to suck our dick
>>52426983
This a good thing. It means nations will underestimate us.
>>52426324
Come on, seriously
>>52426255
I am talking about consumer goods, not goods in general. This is what is making Germany so strong, not exporting parts of other products.
>consultancy services, advertising
Those two are tools for producers
>Films, music, computer games, books
those are goods
>legal services, financial services
That is what remains. But are these exportable I wonder.
More fundamentally, the question is, can services exist without manufacturing?
>>52427203
France is pretty powerful, imo, though not as powerful as the UK - but maybe more powerful than Germany.
France has a future; Germany doesn't.
NATO: Paris bombings.
>>52419412
Either the UK or Germany, and then France (disappointing economy at the moment no offence), then Russia (collapsed economy and political isolation), then Italy, then Spain, then the Netherlands, then Belgium, then Poland
France and UK are tied.
Germany is inferior to both.
>>52427326
Not...as...powerful...?
What went wrong, dear history, what went wrong ?
Powertugal
>>52427425
Well, we kicked them in the balls after WW1 and castrated them after WW2, after all
>>52427268
What do you mean? That's a reasonable list.
>>52427322
To answer your question (btw, I'm not the person you're arguing with): no, services probably won't.
However, the real question is: will manufacturing ever cease to exist?
Also, the UK needs to focus on services since it doesn't have any manufacturing power.
However, I still think we should have a balanced economy.
>>52427453
It's because you fucked up even more than us with decolonisation. You had no long-term plan.
Also, socialism: it's heavily rooted in your society and nation.
>>52427494
t. Alberto Barbossa
>>52419412
>>52427326
Why so anti-german?
Still rustled about that empire thing?
>>52427535
>less powerful than Russia
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>UK
M'yea...
Germany
Why not...
>Switzerland
Huh ?
>Italy
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>Poland
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>>52427264
Yeah it can be a good thing, it can also be bad because declinism can persuade public opinion if the public are exposed to it too much.
Fortunately that doesn't appear to be happening to us. If you're interested in this stuff, I recommend having a browse of this Chatham House report
https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/files/chathamhouse/field/field_document/20150129YouGovRaines.pdf?dm_i=1TY5,34ZC7,BHZIRQ,B8VH2,1
In particular look at this chart. It's one of the most encouraging things I've seen that makes me optimistic for our future. Notice that the "opinion formers", the people on tv/social media/whatever are more insistent than the general public that we should no longer aim to be a great power. Notice the resistance of the general public on this issue. It's very significant.
>>52419412
Slovenia, obviously. One of our kin will be the first lady in America soon and our blood flows through most people in Europe.
>>52419412
Northern Ireland.
>>52427709
Well, you won't have a future if you keep Merkel as your leader.
You won't have a future when your people and culture is replaced - and you know it!
France isn't that deep in the ol' cow shit, therefore it is a much easier job than you.
>>52419412
Did you know Northern Irish are the MOST POWERFUL race?
>>52427964
You are deeper in shit than we are though.
>>52419412
UK tbqh la
>>52420400
This has to be one of the stupidest comments I've seen
>>52428220
How, so?
We don't have Merkel driving our train to hell.
>Inb4 we have David Cameron doing the same
>>52428307
And where do you think the refugees will go if / when Germany falls? Calais and the road to it are already swelling at the ranks.
>>52428307
I think its due your colonial history, similar to france.
>>52428246
>this fucking gif
'RYTIME
>>52420682
>HE HE HE BOLAN LOL
Now, do you seriously think someone will ever use nukes?
>>52428246
>>52428395
When they swell and become too problematic to deal with peacefully, what happens then?
The army comes in deals with it forcefully, of course.
>>52428431
And that means we're more fucked, how?
The difference between Cameron and Merkel is that Cameron set up restrictions on the acceptance of refugees; Merkel didn't.
>>52428551
Russia. Europe is not "the EU" or "countries I like", it's "countries that are in Europe".
>>52427425
For now we're tied...
>>52428590
>Does a flip and no scopes twice
Brits BTFO
>>52419563
>spain
Qe asked who is most poweful, not who is cripplingly unemployed
>>52428751
>>52427425
Nah we're ahead of France
>>52428618
Russia is in Europe, but they're not the most powerful in Europe
>>52419412
eu hands down
>>52429414
:^)
Militarily and culturally the UK is #1. Economically second to Germany... for now. So taken all in all I'd say Britain ties with Germany but France is in the frame too. It's too close to call really.
>>52419412
It's either Russia, Germany or Britan.
Russia is one of the strongest military forces, owns a shit ton of nukes, is big as fuck and owns a lot of natural recources.. However, it has a shitty economy and it is kinda isolated.
Britan is a huge naval power, has a strong economy, has strong ties with other countries and is an island, which is good in terms of defense.
Germany is the strongest economy in Europe, it has good ties with the rest of the world. It exports as much stuff as the US and has a history of standing up after it falls. Also, it has god-tier special forces which prevented 14 terrorist attacks, including one which would make that attack on paris look like a small child throwing a pebble.
However, the military is shit and there is this 1.500.000 thing.
>>52429843
This is why we fought during centuries, everybody wanna lead, we three tried, but nobody achieved it on.
>>52430084
UK never wanted to lead Europe, it only wanted to make sure the continent didn't become dominated by a single power which could then overwhelm the UK. When British power was at its peak, it pursued a policy of "splendid isolation" with regard to Europe, letting France and Germany do what they wanted and only getting involved if it looked like one might dominate
Boring stuff like this is the reason why Britain has one of only two real blue-water navies in the world. Logisitcs wins wars.
>>52430466
England started the century war because they claimed the french throne, they obviously wanna lead/conquer France.
>>52430673
Oh I was talking about the UK. Yes, back then England wanted land on the continent and claimed most of France. But that was a very long time ago. After the Hundred Years War, England/Britain gave up on the European continent, looked beyond Europe, and never looked back.
Even today, our foreign policy strategy is focused on building up ties in the Asia-Pacific and re-calibrating our EU position so we stay inside but stay out of a European superstate. If we wanted more influence in Europe, if we wanted to LEAD Europe, we would join the Euro and go balls-deep, like you and Germany
>>52430527
Talking about blue water..
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2015/september/28/1150928-ukcsg-takes-shape-for-hms-queen-elizabeth
It's an interesting question. I believe the true fight is between France and Germany though, the UK has always wanted to project power from the homelands and protect their interests globally. France and Germany on the other hand have always vied for Continental domination, because a united Europe is an extremely powerful entity.
If we just go by what their ultimate goals are I think the UK comes first in the power rankings, they're a military, nuclear and diplomatic power that can project its influence globally, next comes Germany who currently dominate the EU both politically and economically.
France I think comes third because it neither has as significant global influence as the UK nor as significant an influence in Europe. Though that could change very quickly.
Beyond the triumvirate I think the list would go
>Italy
>Spain
>Nordics if they were more of a political bloc
Among those I think Spain has the best chance of becoming a great power in the future, they have the land, the population, regional influence, semi-global influence etc. they just have a weak economy
Germany is most powerful because it controls the euro, most of EU policy. France has waned as EU power and is essentially on same tier as UK with similar economy/military capabilities.
Russia is most powerful in Europe if we include it but can't exercise that power in Europe.
>>52431854
whats the thought process behind germans flooding eu with migrants?
I doubt the sneaky germans are actually that retarded to just fuck over while their in the lead. I think its like how the democrats operate in the us, pander to illegal immigrants and flood the country with them to get votes.
>>52432019
Germans are in the lead because of their higher population
They need immigrants because they're facing long-term demographic decline (unlike France and Britain). On paper it makes sense. In reality, if very few of the migrants are skilled and if they're hard to integrate into society, well things will get expensive
>>52420568
If this is real, who would win UK v India, all memes aside
>>52432019
It's a mix of short-term political pandering to the short-sighted majority and a way to make up for falling birth rates in modern Europe. European socialism requires an ever-increasing worker base to tax for the ever-increasing elderly population. You don't see Italy rushing to snatch up immigrants because they're one of the few countries with a good birth rate.
The United States is the most powerful country in Europe.
>>52432296
Depends on what terms, neither would win an invasion of the other. The UK would win a dispute outside of either of their countries because I think they'd have the backing of other powerful nations, India only really has Russia as a fair-weather friend and they have very little power projection beyond bullying the Ex-soviet countries that sit on their border
>>52432296
It's about much more than the things in that table... the UK and India can't invade each other. The UK can project power to the Indian Ocean, but it has a small Army. India can't project power very far at all.
The only kind of war which could happen between them is in the seas, where the UK would be the favourite to win as its navy is quite sophisticated and it can utilise its network of bases and logistics
Memes aside, though, the UK and India are becoming closer friends and the most likely outcome is our militaries working together.
>>52432296
india is so high up there due to size but keep in mind that india is the most densely populated country in he world.
quality>quantity unless if its uk invading india
>Financial capital of the world
UK 2bh
>>52432942
I was about to correct you, but apparently London took back the top spot from New York in September.
>>52433107
Not him but yes we are winning that race, for now. It's a pretty close contest between London and New York.
Part of the reason we're getting more cosy with China is to secure the Renminbi trade for London because that will be huge
ITT: Britain trying to be relevant
Britain
It's our year la
Finland
We control the manufacturing of the best memes
And memes control the universe
>>52433232
You can be a part of it if you like :^)
Just say the word bbe.
>>52433414
No thanks. I'm happy not being an Islamic caliphate.
russia ofc is this a joke
germany if you mean economically or something
>>52433524
Why Russia m8?
>>52433604
shit i had a quick look through the thread no thanks
UK UK UK
>>52433524
russia is over extending too fast.
they spent way to much resources on only a tiny sliver of ukraine and doing so enraged half the the world against them.
they are also trying to keep assad in power but at this point its a lost cause.
>>52433673
There's a good lad
>>52420499
>The point I'm trying to make is that Russia could nuke the surface of the planet several times over. Of course a maritime power can defeat a country with almost no sea access, but that won't matter much when your country is a crater.
The UK has 200+ nuclear warheads themselves. If Russia launches nukes at Britain, Britain launches them right at Russian's civilian centres and wipes them out.
>As a fact there's only three countries that the US ever worries about, and they're Iran, China and Russia.
Probably because those three countries have taken a strong anti-U.S. stance in the world. Why would the U.S. worry about their Western allies? Never hear of NATO or the Five Eyes?
The U.S. fears China the most. Iran is a backwater regional power with little pull on the world stage, and can be contained by Israel, the Saudis, the Indians, and the Turks.
Russia is an antiquated power, their day as the rival to the U.S. is long gone. Russia is barely on the same level as Britain or France, their ability to project power is almost nonexistent, and their only shtick that they can whack to be relevant is "w-we have nukes".
>>52433751
These two are defensive moves, not actual expansions.
>>52432475
>neither would win an invasion of the other
HIstory disagrees
>>52419702
>military
France or GB. Theory of mutual annihilation applies to most nuclear-capable countries tho.
>economic
Germany without a doubt
>cultural
France
>diplomatic influence
Does the EU counts ? If not, germany, because it basically leads the EU, France's executive is following because that's what Hollande does and GB is not making that much appearances.
So yeah, I'd say germany with France and GB ex-aequo just behind.
>>52434053
>>cultural
>France
hahahaha
only way that would work is if you counted butthurt as culture.
>>52434048
India isn't a load of warring states like it was when it was colonised, the UK is also no longer the world's foremost superpower
>>52434048
>HIstory disagrees
India is unified now so it won't work. Britain conquered India because some of the Indian Princely states supported Britain against other Indians. Majority of the British-led armies in the key battles to win India was made up of Indians, not Brits.
Once India was conquered, it only remained part of the British Empire because many Indians wanted it to. I think the back then was about the same size as it is today...
>>52434227
>I think the back then
the Army back then
>>52434053
>Does the EU counts ? If not, germany, because it basically leads the EU
No it doesn't, but also Germany isn't even on the UNSC P5. How can you put them first?
>>52420568
>less active personnel
>less tanks and aircrafts
>one more submarine
>winning
Russia
>>52434734
If one country had a navy of 100 dinghies and the other had a single destroyer, who do you think has the better navy?
>>52427535
>Reasonable list
>1. Russia
>>52434818
We have a better navy than them too, though
>>52434734
We are winning due to enablers which aren't on the table. Transporters, sealift, replenishment-at-sea, refuellers, more training aircraft, etc. The table is misleading. Beware.
>>52433975
>the crimea 'incident' not an expansion
>>52420603
You're not fooling anyone, Pierre.
>>52428751
Were not really tied
>>52427345
>>52434893
>We have a better navy than them too, though
'no'
You have an aircraft carrier while we temporarily don't, but that's it. In other areas I don't see what's better.
>>52434053
>cultural
>France
what? your speaking english that should be proof enough
though uk does get to ride on usa's cultural influence.
the biggest movie of the year star wars is in english. it even has english actors despite them being horrible.
>>52435154
>biggest american film has british main cast
>biggest american series has british guy as the main character
If anything its the other way around m8
>>52434734
they have a higher budget of 10 billion
>>52419412
Germany or UK.
>>52432341
>You don't see Italy rushing to snatch up immigrants because they're one of the few countries with a good birth rate.
>1.4 births per female
pls be joking, only immigrants are giving birth here
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