Daily reminder that the ancient romans spoke vulgar latin whose closest descendant is the italian language.
>>52412394
WE
>>52412394
>the daily cherrypicking thread
WUZ
>>52412394
>implying the aristocrats and other people of importance didn't all speak primarily in Greek
>>52412440
>>52412504
Ancient italians and romans. Correct.
>>52412394
Pretty much right
>>52412495
What cherrypicking? Vulgar latin is literally like an italian dialect.
>>52412394
All romance languages come from Latino volgare
>>52412559
>what are the Lombards
>what are the Ostrogoths
>what is the Muslim invasion of Sicily
>>52412610
t. Albertini "Cesare" Barbossini
>>52412612
Italian is still the closest to it.
>>52412707
Sardinian is the closest to Latin actually
>>52412922
>>52412922
and the closest major language to sardinian is italian and its closest dialects can be found on the italian peninsula.
>>52413051
>and the closest major language to sardinian is italian and its closest dialects can be found on the italian peninsula.
So?
Italian > Latin
the ancient romans never discovered America desu
>>52413129
So trying to separate the ancient italian civilization known as ''Ancient Rome'' from the italian peninsula is silly and romanian-tier.
>>52413226
Language and civilisation are two different things, lad
>>52413278
When did I imply that they are the same?
>>52412394
ancient romans did not speak vulgar latin.Vulgar latin was spoken by colonists.
This is common history,what they teach you in school?
>>52416234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Latin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin
Italians have nothing to do with romans or ancient romans.Dont trick yourself.
>>52416234
Vulgar means "of the people"
Yes, they did speak vulgar latin, and unlike classical latin it wasn't a structured language documented by rules. Obviously the vulgar latin of rome was closer to classical latin than the vulgar latin of Hispania, but classical latin was the same everywhere.
>>52416234
>ancient romans did not speak vulgar latin.Vulgar latin was spoken by colonists.
You are literally talking out of your ass.
>The term "common speech" (sermo vulgaris), which later became "Vulgar Latin", was used by inhabitants of the Roman Empire. Subsequently it became a technical term from Latin and Romance-language philology referring to the unwritten varieties of a Latinised language spoken mainly by Italo-Celtic populations governed by the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin
>Profanities occurred rarely in classical Latin, limited to satirical works and commentaries on word usage. But they could be found in Vulgar Latin (a phrase which means "the language spoken by the common people").
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_profanity
http://www.nativlang.com/romance-languages/vulgar-latin-basic-grammar.php
http://www.nativlang.com/romance-languages/romance-dictionary.php?e=0
Nice try.
>>52416284
>Italians have nothing to do with romans or ancient romans
Reminder:
>The Etruscan civilization reached its peak about the 7th century, but by 509 BC, when the Romans overthrew their Etruscan monarchs, its control in Italy was on the wane. By 350 BC, after a series of wars with both Greeks and Etruscans, the Latins, with Rome as their capital, gained the ascendancy by 272 BC, and they managed to unite the entire Italian peninsula.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians#Roman_era
>Augustus created for the first time an administrative region called Italia with inhabitants called "Italicus populus", stretching from the Alps to Sicily: for this reason historians like Emilio Gentile called him Father of Italians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians#Roman_era
ancient italians = modern italians' forefathers and ''Ancient Rome'' = ancient italian civilization
Deal with it my frustrated dacian friend.
>>52416402
yes common speech used by peasants and collonists
Officials used classical latin.
Anyway
lets state some facts
1.closest language to vulgar latin is sardinian
2.closest language to classical latin is proto-romanian
3.Genetically extremly few italians have anything to do with romans
4.North Italians are in fact western rape babies while south is not even white
>>52416455
yes "italicus populus" aka all populations from italian peninsula.
After Rome fell, all the population was raped and got mixed.
>>52416519
>yes common speech used by peasants and collonists
More like speech spoken by actual romans in everyday life.
>1.closest language to vulgar latin is sardinian
Which is an italic language whose closest major language is italian and closest dialects are also found on the italian peninsula. Nice try.
>2.closest language to classical latin is proto-romanian
''we wuz da original romans and sheit'', nice try daco boy.
>3.Genetically extremly few italians have anything to do with romans
Nice try using genetics but it has nothing to do with linguistics and the italic origins of the ancient roman civilization. PS: Several emperors were of non-''pure roman ancestry''(whatever that means).
>4.North Italians are in fact western rape babies while south is not even white
Sick meme.
>yes "italicus populus" aka all populations from italian peninsula.
Yes, and? The city of Rome was never outside of the italian peninsula you mouth breathing spastic retard.
>>52416835
italic languages does not mean italian, seems you lack brain capacities.Italic languages are the languages born in italic peninsula.
North being germanic,slavic,avaric,hunic,thracic,berber rape baby isnt a meme, its history and genetics and south is northafrican and arab rape baby
>>52416835
the only romans by blood today are those that live in Romania.Deal with it.
>>52416835
>Which is an italic language whose closest major language is italian and closest dialects are also found on the italian peninsula
Yeah, but all Romance languages are Italic. Doesn't really mean anything, but Italian is still the closest major language to Latin, while Sardinian is the closest.
>>52416284
>>52416519
>>52416984
>>52417029
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>>52416984
>italic languages does not mean italian, seems you lack brain capacities.Italic languages are the languages born in italic peninsula
...and the italic (italian) peninsula = italian, which is why it's called ''italian peninsula''
Nice try.
>North being germanic,slavic,avaric,hunic,thracic,berber rape baby isnt a meme, its history and genetics and south is northafrican and arab rape baby
Sick meme and once again, genetics have nothing to do with linguistics and culture. The ancient italians remain modern italians' forefathers.
>>52417029
>romans by blood
What the fuck is this? Nice try but there's pretty much nothing roman about Romania (country which bears that name because of your people who were screaming ''we wuz roman citizens and sheit'') and your language sounds like turkish to my ears.
>>52416984
South Italians are more Greek, while the North is more Germanic. They do retain most indigenous DNA though.
>>52417029
The wewest of lads
why does vulgar sound like bulgar
>>52417151
>but Italian is still the closest major language to Latin, while Sardinian is the closest.
not true, there is only one study about this and it was about the closest language to VULGAR latin
the study showed sardinian as closest not italian
All romance languages are not italic, romanian is not italic but daco-getic
>>52417151
>Yeah, but all Romance languages are Italic
Yes, because a certain italic civilization latinized those Romance languages' lands.
>Sardinian
Once again, its closest major language is italian and closest dialects are also found on the italian peninsula.
>>52417219
Can you not read, Albertu?
I DID say Sardinian's the closest.
>All romance languages are not italic
Romance is LITERALLY a branch of Italic.
>Daco-Getic
o i am laffin
>>52417208
>indigenous DNA
What the hell is this? The etruscans origins are also Anatolian and that doesn't change the fact that they were still ancient italians. Genetics are literally irrelevant.
>>52417219
>romanian is not italic but daco-getic
>>52417268
>Once again, its closest major language is italian and closest dialects are also found on the italian peninsula.
Stop telling me that, I don't disagree, lad.
>>52417219
Vulgar latin = Latin spoken by ancient romans
>>52417202
Let me tell you again, Sardinia is not in italian peninsula.
Not only you speak a modern vulgar latin language but also romanian is the firsts romance language.
>>52417271
romanian is not italic, its etnogenesis is in Dacia.Learn history.
Also Dalmatian is not italic, its etnogenesis is in Dalmatia.
>>52417305
They are ancient Italians, and genetics are irrelevant.
I'm trying to refute Albertu's claim that Southerners are Moorish rapebabies.
Stop being so defensive and note that I'm defending your stance against the Albertus.
>>52412394
most of the classical latin words were retained but changed meaning or are rarely used
like "cogitare", in portuguese "cogitar" is the same as "pensar" but with a slightly different meaning
same for bellum (bélico is something related to war)
same for pretty much all words there
>>52417305
>they were still ancient italians
>>52417309
i didnt know romanian was formed in Italy.
>>52417347
ancient roman colonists*
>>52417362
Interestingly, genetics prove that South is not white.You can even see it with your own eyes, they are very swarthy and hairy
>>52417397
ignore him, hes dumb
>>52417349
>romanian is the firsts romance language.
>its etnogenesis is in Dacia
Daco-Thracian and Romance are two completely different things, don't delude yourself
>>52417029
kek
>>52417349
>Sardinia is not in italian peninsula.
But Sardinia is italian my frustrated dacian friend.
>Not only you speak a modern vulgar latin language
Yes, and it is the direct descendant of the language spoken by actual ancient romans and the fun thing is that I can also read the ancient romans' language and naturally sound fluent in it, unlike you. Stay salty dacoboy.
>romanian is the firsts romance language
YouJustWentFullRetard.jpg
>we wuz da original romans and sheit
>>52417409
>You can even see it with your own eyes, they are very swarthy and hairy
This is Romanian """"""""""""""""""evidence""""""""""""""""""
>>52417413
Are you dumb?
proto-romanian was formed in Dacia, this is uncontested fact
>>52417431
italian in what?
when was italian first recorded and when was proto-romanian first recorded?
>>52417397
Yes, etruscans were ancient italians and minoans, mycaeneans, spartans and macedonians were ancient greeks. Do you have a problem with those facts?
>>52417477
>I compare modern italian with ''proto-romanian''
>>52417477
First you said Romanian was Romance, next you said Romanian was """"daco-getic"""". Pick one.
No one's denying Proto-Romanian is a Dacian thing, but Proto-Romanian is Italic, and it's Romance.
>>52417523
compare proto-italian with proto-romanian then
>>52417551
Romanian is a romance language with daco-getic nucleus.Where did i contradict myself?
Being Italic means it was formed in Italy.Learn english.
>>52417588
No, being Italic means it's within a subdivision of Indo-European.
Learn linguistics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_languages
>>52417649
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_languages
>romanians and proto-romanians were italic people
>>52417554
No. I compare italian with vulgar latin (latin spoken by the romans) and the similarities are striking. I compare romanian with all romance languages and it stands out. Why? Because romanian sounds like TURKISH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz0K-0c0nT8
Stay mad dacoboy.
>>52417699
We're discussing the fucking language, not the people or genetics.
>>52417714
i think you have brain problem, why do you keep posting manele aka gypsy songs?Even german sung by gipsies would sound turkish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPkzF7XvJtI
>>52417737
"The Italic languages are a subfamily of the Indo-European language family originally spoken by Italic peoples."
See?This definition contradicts Romanian from start.
"German historian Leopold von Ranke: “Dacia was organized into a Roman province. The indigenous Romanians give the name, even today, of “The path of Trajan” to the road which leads into Transylvania, and call Turnu Rosu “The Roman gate”. They are what remains of Trajan’s colonists brought into Dacia.” [53]
Hungarian F. Eckhart writes in Magyaroszág története, Budapest, 1933, pg 21 “We cannot believe that the Hungarians populated the entire Hungarian kingdom. Their numbers... were too small for something like that. The territories which Hungarians occupied matched the territory of Hungary after Trianon” [25]
Pope Innocent III (in a letter dated 1203): “Therefore we, who have been appointed by the will of God and Father, unworthy as we are, as vicars and successors of the Apostolic Sea, to prove by the force of facts our fatherly love for the Church of the Bulgarians and Romanians(Vlachs), who are said to be the descendents of the ROMANS, by their flesh and blood”
4. History research
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>>52417799
Jesus fucking Christ lad, languages propagate.
They're originally spoken by Italic peoples, and through conquest, Romanians/Dacians learnt them.
Hungarian Gábor Fábián writes in the ethnography of Arad in 1835: “The Romanians are the oldest people here, and if it is true that they are the colonists of Dacia after Trajan’s conquest, then they can be considered as the aboriginals of this comitat”
even hungarians our arch enemies agree with us
>>52416835
Damn you retarded
>>52417891
And so? Doesn't fucking matter, we're talking linguistics, not demography.
French academic V. Duruy considers the colonization of Dacia: “By far the largest colonial effort in ancient history!” [25]
The English historian Gibbon writes in “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” in 1777 that after the withdrawal of the Roman legions from Dacia, done by Aurelian, a significant part of the province’s population stayed behind, being more afraid of moving than of Gothic rule. Later, he adds “These people became a great nation” and then writes “The Vlachs preserve many elements from Latin, and they are proud of their Roman heritage. Even surrounded, they did not mix with the barbarians.”
>>52417863
Hungarian historian András Huszti affirms, in his posthumous work, also dated 1791: “No other nation has a language as similar to Latin as the Vlachs. This is a sure sign which cannot deceive us that they are the followers of the old Roman colonies in Transylvania.” [25]
>>52417799
>muh manele
>muh gypsies
Here's a romanian folk song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Ol0t3_Clo
Compare it to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spN4qbXq1fg
Both sound turkish kekkity kek.
and here's an italian song which unmistakenly sounds neo-latin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSQDYu0g8M
Deal with it dacoboy.
>>52417940
>le anecdotal evidence from one person confirms my worldview!! It's the objective truth!!!!
And who's to say the lad knew Sardinian? Lexical measures override shitty anecdotal recounts.
>>52418002
our language is proto-latin with barbaric dacian elements while yours is a simple vulgar latin bastard
>>52418028
sardinian is closest to vulgar not old latin.
I am arguing in this thread about romans , and by blood Romanians are romans
>>52417898
t. Romanian living in Italy
>>52418096
Provide percentages.
I want lexical similarity, and mutual intelligibility if possible.
>>52417937
You can't fuckin' ignore people roots when you are talking languages because no russian spoke spanish with his friends and made it a national language you dumb fuck!
>>52417413
He probably means that Romanian is the first to split off from Latin, which is plausible given the short time that the romans were here.
>>52417940
Nu vezì că face asta dòar ca să te supere?
>>52418147
nah, that guy is on /pol/ only
Mama mia
>>52418155
>You can't fuckin' ignore people roots when you are talking languages
Yes you can.
85% of Gabon is Francophone. Most Irishmen speak English as a first language. The vast majority of Manchus speak Mandarin.
>>52418267
you are roman by blood not by language
>>52418321
I'm not Roman by blood. I'm Sinic.
>>52418321
tough even if we speak about language and genetics, romanians still are most romans
>>52418147
I'm on a vacation in the moutains here but I can't ignore you being retarded. You see no fkin italians here because they are so retarded that barely 10% of the population knows 100 english words. I'm a romanian student currently first year of university in England studying Computer Science and all the romanians on this profile are in the 10% best students and everyone appreciates us because they met us, not our retarded songs and indian gypsies that moved to West Europe to steal. Stop being a racist fuck and accept the facts!
P.S: i'm not the guy in your pic, i have the hotel wifi ip address
anyway i go fuck my swarthy italian gf and een
>>52418343
i wasnt talking to you directly
>>52417029
If you don't count gypsyes,you look like a mix of slav and mongol
canadian frustrat, daca intelegi ce scriu aici fara sa traduci prin google, trebuie sa iti vezi de treaba ta
>>52418405
Slavs are only in Bessarabia and mongols are just 3% and in Dobruja, from tatars
pic rlated are ethnic romanians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlCTQdMMMXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDY8voTduMw
anyway i have to go to fuck my swarthy italian gf and creampie her fertile cunt
gonna make her a real roman baby
>>52418096
>our language is proto-latin with barbaric dacian elements while yours is a simple vulgar latin bastard
Nice try my lying dacian friend but in reality:
>Romanian is a part of the Balkan-Romance group that evolved from several dialects of Vulgar Latin separated from the Western Romance during the 5th-8th centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language
>During the Middle Ages, Romanian became influenced by the Slavic languages and to some degree by Greek.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language#Prehistory
>Romanian has had a greater share of foreign influence than some other Romance languages such as Italian in terms of vocabulary and other aspects.
>In modern times Romanian vocabulary has been strongly influenced by French, Italian and other languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language#Classification
>The Slavic influences on Romanian are especially noticeable and can be observed at all linguistic levels: lexis, phonetics, morphology and syntax. About 20% of modern Romanian words are of Slavic origin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language#Slavic_languages
I can read in every romance language except Portuguese & Romanian desu
>>52418460
>argues that romanian doesn't sound turk
>posts pic of people wearing turkic hats
>>52418321
>>52418521
>>52418460
BEING ROMAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BLOOD
There is no such thing as "roman by blood". Please read a book about Roman society and culture and then come back and post.
>>52418528
yes we have 40% non latin and 45% latin words BUT 45% of the latin words are used 90% of time
you are speaking about romanian in 5th-8th not about proto-romanian which was recorded earliest in 2th century
>>52418586
hahahahha the same troll bulgar
i told you already those hats are not romanian, anyone has them, they have no standard model just piece of wool tied togheter
>>52418321
>you are roman by blood
Since when? You are roman by romanization which is why several roman emperors were of non-''pure roman ancestry'' (whatever the fuck that means).
Nice try.
>>52418391
I knew you weren't italian, so I wasn't wrong and how am I racist?
>barely 10% of the population knows 100 english words
I'm very happy about this.
>I'm a romanian
I KNEW IT!
mfw
>>52413169
the nords did
>>52418580
I can pretty much read any one except for half of French and Romanian.
They're all pretty similar in terms of writing.
http://www.orbilat.com/General_Survey/Romance_Languages.html
>>52418607
Recommend me some books, Albertu.
>>52418432
>canadian
and if you want me to understand your babble write in a genuine neo-latin language such as italian, french, spanish and portuguese, not your shitty language which is far more being ''pure latin''. See >>52418528
>>52418664
keep tricking yourself
you are half arabs half westerners playing romans
>>52412394
the ancient romans spoke african american
>>52418688
>nords
we don't live in Tamriel
>>52418721
>>52418694
"L'Histoire de la vie privée" is great if you want to gain an insight into Roman society, morals, customs etc. It's surprising how much different they are as to how we conceive them.
Also I'd rather you call me Vlad
>>52418656
Nope, they are said to have a turkic origin, even though it's a national folk hat in Bulgaria. It really shows romania's bulgarian and steppe roots.
>>52418721
t. frustrated non-latin wannabe-roman
Have you joined Nova Roma yet?
>>52412394
>guerra
Actually, that's one of the few words that somes from gothic.
It makes sense, actually.
>>52418704
Whats the matter my "roman" friend?Cant you understand latin?
frustat is latin from frustratio
daca is latin
intelegi is latin from intĕllĭgĕre
ce is latin
scriu is latin from scribere
aici is latin
fara is latin
traduci is latin trādūcere
prin is latin
trebuie is latin
sa is latin
iti is latin
vezi is latin
de is latin
treaba is latin
ta is latin
didn't know romanian delusion was on par with polish
>>52413051
>the closest major language to sardinian is italian
No it's catalan
>and its closest dialects can be found on the italian peninsula.
Wut?
And Sardinian comes from classical latin anyways. It's the only romance language to not come from vulgar latin
>>52418805
go away you are not funny , already owned you
those hats you use are just simple hats, maybe brought from magazine and made in China
>>52418885
go away child stealer
>>52418867
>de is latin
EVERYONE can cherrypick, you need statistics.
>>52418885
he's an autist who thinks romanians were daco-romans, kek
he's pretty cringy desu, probably baiting
>associating yourself with a bunch of people who lived here 2000 years ago
lmao
>>52418867
You are incorrect. Most of those words were brought into the language in the XIXth century, and they are NOT Romanian words.
Trebuie and treaba are NOT latin, they come from slavic. Compare to bulgarian "Tryabvo"
>>52418867
>I am still ignoring the fact that the ancient romans spoke vulgar latin
Not only can I understand a lot of classical latin but I can EASILY READ IT and SOUND FLUENT without any trouble.
Also, I never claimed to be roman. The only romans today are the italians from Rome.
Also, see >>52418528
>>52418930
I suggest you go back and look at the thread to see who got owned.
[spoiler]it's you[/spoiler]
>>52418721
You're half-gyspy half subhuman ahahaha what the fuck,this board never cease to amaze me
>>52418927
Sardinian has 85% lexical similarity with Italian, I don't have a number for Sardinian and Catalan though. You might want to find one.
>>52418944
this is a fact and i already owned you in balk thread
not only that but you also recognised you are a troll
>>52418981
i didnt say they are romanian words are you dumb?
ok trebuie is slavic.1 slavic word in that sentence
>>52418927
t. Romanian in Italy with terrible reading comprehension
Don't even think I'll forget:
>>52418391
>I'm on a vacation
>I'm a romanian student
>>52419052
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Romania
3.6%
While Italy will soon have more gipsies than us
>>52419052
The people in that pic look like Italians though
>>52419085
>cherrypicking is proof
Again, provide percentages. Lexical similarity.
>>52418930
If you gypsies would beat your kids to death in your own country, you would've kept them.
>>52419161
I already said that Romanian has around 45% latin words BUT those 45% are used 90% of time
>>52419192
i cant fucking wait for gipsies to go from Romania to Norway.It will my turn then to call you gipsies
>>52419058
>Sardinian has 85% lexical similarity with Italian
Source? That seems very unlikely even if you count neologisms
>>52419215
Objective, fucking proof. Not something you concoct out of your own head.
Percentages with citations, no "about"s or "around"s.
I want them in the form of lexical similarity between Romanian and Latin.
>>52419246
http://www.orbilat.com/General_Survey/Romance_Languages.html
I'm not sure if it's reliable, though.
>>52419215
>those 45% are used 90% of time
No they aren't, you aren't fooling anyone and your language doesn't sound as neo-latin as italian, spanish, portuguese and french does.
Romanian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz0K-0c0nT8
Italian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSQDYu0g8M
which unmistakenly sounds neo-latin.
Deal with it.
>>52419112
t. an idiot who can't express himself
What were you trying to say?
>>52419085
I'm not trolling, I'm laughing at you for genuinely being an autistic retard who copy-pastes wikipedia articles trying to pass it off as a viable source. You probably have mild autism if you really believe you have anything to do with romans or dacians.
Anyway like i said i go fuck my italian gf, gotta repopulate Italy f.am
here are around 600 lines of facts about Romania
>>>/pol/58817396
>>52419281
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language
>>52419301
yea you just lost the argument, its 3 rd time you post gypsy music
Where did these R*manians ITT stole their computers to shitpost?
>>52419305
I'm saying that your reading comprehension is shit and that I've unmasked you as a romanian >>52418147 after which you admitted it >>52418391
Nice try.
>>52419215
I am 100% certain you are more gypsy than roman.
>>52419322
WIKIPEDIA IS JUST A COLLECTION OF FACTS IDIOTS
YOU CAN CLICK THE [] AND IT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENT OUTSIDE WIKIPEDIA YOU FUCKING DUMB TURKIC RAPE BABY SHIT CUNT FUCK
>>52419347
Nothing shows up when I search 45% except for some unrelated statistics about diasporas.
>>52419085
You are trying to prove how latin we are. Do that by showing our NATIVE WORDS FROM LATIN, not the ones ADDED TO THE LANGUAGE IN AN EFFORT TO SEEM MORE LATIN.
English is full of latin words, does that make it latin? Nope. Does that bring it closer to latin? Yes, but only superficially.
I implore you, please document yourself about our language. Why can't we be proud of it as it is? There are many beautiful words from Latin:
mola - moară, factum - fapt, directus - drept, lactem - lapte, solem - soare, tenerus - tânăr, veteranus - bătrân, caballus - cal, intellectus - înţelept, intellegere - înţelege, pedem - piez, rogationem - rugăciune, lingua - limbă, caecia - ceaţă, monumentum - mormânt, sagitta - săgeată as there are as many other beautiful words from other languages: ceată, caldarâm, mânz, brad, strugure, gol, grumaz.
Also, don't you think it's quite stupid to shout "WE ARE ROMANS" when all the others shout "WE ARE FRENCH", "WE ARE ITALIANS" and so on?
ROMANIAN GRAMMAR the closest to CLASSICAL LATIN
Lesson 1.
Romanian maintains from CLASSICAL LATIN the synthetic Genitive and Dative (with the help of endings) pattern, while Italian, French and Spanish preferred the construction as it were in the VULGAR LATIN
Note ! These are only two examples out of hundreds of similar Classical Latin-Romanian
CLASSIC LATIN-----------ROMANIAN----------VULGAR LATIN--------
Casa matris meae------Casa mamei mele-----casa de matre meae-----
Scribo matri meae------Scriu mamei mele----Scribo ad matre mea-----
SPANISH---------------------ITALIAN-------------------ENGLISH
la casa de mi madre------la casa della mia madre-----my mother's house
Escribo a mi madre.------Scrivo a mia madre-------I write to my mother.
>>52419347
>muh manele
>muh gypsies
Here's a romanian folk song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Ol0t3_Clo
Compare it to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spN4qbXq1fg
Both sound turkish, lel.
and here's an italian song which unmistakenly sounds neo-latin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6xDn90OR08
>>52419460
C. LATIN---ROMANIAN---FRENCH-----ITALIAN---SPANISH----ENGLISH
Intro---------Intru-------J'entre--------Entro ----Entro-------I enter
Intras--------Intri------Tu entres-------Entri-----Entras-----You enter
Intrat--------Intra-------Il entre--------Entra-----Entra------He enters
Intramus----Intram---Nous entrons---Entriamo--Entramos---We enter
Intratis------Intrati----Vous entrez-----Entrate---Entrais----You enter
Intrant ------Intra -----Ils entrent-----Entranno --Entrano--They enter
REMEMBER - Romanian maintains from CLASSICAL LATIN the synthetic Genitive and Dative (with the help of endings) pattern. While Italian, French and Spanish preferred the construction as it were in the VULGAR LATIN.
>>52419399
Relax, triggered autist. I did that, there are no viable sources. You only think this way because your teacher taught it to you at school that you're descendants of dacians or romans or some shit. Just read up on some history and you will learn instead of being autistic on the internet.
>>52419376
I'm sardinian, nigger. I speak both sardinian and italian. I'm pretty sure I know these languages better than you do
What do you mean by
its closest dialects can be found on the italian peninsula.
?
>>52419354
those people do look like italians tho
>>52419509
ROMANIAN IS CONSERVATIVE
Romanian conservative features denote its isolation from the Western Romance world, despite the Slavic influence.There are many Latin traces found in phonetics, morphology, syntax, and vocabulary, which have long disappeared from the other Romance languages:
DECLENSIONS 3 (three) surviving declension categories for the NOUN,
just as in the case of Classical Latin.
100 LATIN words preserved exclusively in the ROMANIAN vocabulary:
Some examples”
Latin “caecia” > Romanian “ceata” (fog),
Latin "lingula" > Romanian "lingura" (spoon),
Latin "placenta" > Romanian "placinta" (pie),
ROMANIAN VERBS maintain and continues the CLASSICAL LATIN forms:
-4 conjugation types, having the same thematic vowels:
Latin "-are", "-ere", "-ere", "-ire"
Romanian "-a", "-ea", "-e", "-i"
>>52419509
STOP
WE HAVE RETAINED THE CASE SYSTEM THANKS TO THE SLAVS WHICH HAVE CASES IN THEIR LANGUAGES, ALL OF THEM EXCEPT BULGARIANS.
If Romanian still has grammatical cases,it's not because of being more related to Classical Latin but for the influence of Slavic languages
>>52419565
-3 personal moods (indicative, subjunctive, imperative) and three non-personal moods (infinitive, gerund, participle).
NEUTER GENDER of nouns kept from CLASSICAL LATIN non-existent in the other Romance languages, marked only in Romanian by the ending "-URI".These words have male-gender forms in the singular and female-gender form in the plural: pod-podURI (bridge-bridges).
PHONETICALY, Romanian kept Latin diphthongs from CLASSICAL LATIN UNLIKE other Romance languages: Classical Latin "au" remained "au" in Romanian:
Endings in “U”. Only Romanian, Sicilian, and Sardinian kept its endings in “U” from Classical Latin, versus “O” in Vulgar Latin and western Romance.
Classical Latin "taurus" (bull) - Romanian "taur" - Spanish "toro"
SEMANTIC SENSES developed from ARCHAIC LATIN words
Latin "pavimentum" (floor) - Romanian "pamant" ("land"),
Latin "carraria" (wide road) -Romanian "carare" (foot path),
Latin "fossatum" ("ditch") - Romanian "sat" (village),
Latin "anima" (soul) - Romanian "inima" (heart).
>>52419516
interestingly all the proofs we have are from foreigners and not from romanians
so kings,POPES,sultans,famous historians ALL FOREIGNERS were lying with hundreds?
>>52419595
>>52419607
>>52419621
PLEASE LISTEN
I am desperate here. You know NOTHING ABOUT WHAT MAKES US BEAUTIFUL
Is it just me or are Romanians slowly evolving into the Australians of Europe
They've all been acting like fucking brainless shitheads lately
The Romanian masterpiece poem "Luceafarul" "The Morning Star" written by the national poet Mihai Eminescu, contains 1,688 Latin words out of a total of 1,908 ! <<
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/luceafarul-evening-star.html
>>52419460
Nice try but ''madre'' (IT) is closer to ''matri'' (LA) than (RO)'s ''mamei''.
''scrivo'' (IT) is closer to ''scribo'' (LA) than (RO)'s ''scriu''.
''mia'' (IT) is closer to ''meae'' (LA) than (RO)'s ''mele''.
I could post sentences of vulgar latin (what the romans spoke) compared to italian and you'll be SHOCKED by the striking similarity.
>>52418725
WE WUZ EMPERORS N SHIEEET
>>52419682
read the title italian nigger its about classical not bastard vulgar
>>52419518
>I know these languages better than you do
No you don't since italian is my native language and what the fuck are you even arguing about? Nice reading comprehension.
>>52419673
australians are funny shitposters
romanians are cringy cucks who only seem like they're shitposting buy are actually THIS autistic
>>52419731
>bastard vulgar
Vulgar latin literally means ''latin spoken by the people''.
Stop talking out of your ass.
>>52419738
Ses unu negru. Impìccadi po piaghère
>>52419770
I've had two ""arguments"" with Romanians in the past two weeks and both were fucking hilarious.
Not that they mean it, though.
>mfw you fucking retards fell for this autist patriottard's shitposting
calin fuck off to /pol/
>want to get out of this thread
>niggers keep baiting me
>>52419816
I'm sure you're this romanian >>52418391
and that you've now resorted to Sardinia in a desperate attempt to separate latin from Italy.
Post a vocaroo of yourself reading:
In principio Dio creò il cielo e la terra. La terra era informe e deserta e le tenebre ricoprivano l'abisso e lo spirito di Dio aleggiava sulle acque. Dio disse: «Sia la luce!». E la luce fu. Dio vide che la luce era cosa buona e separò la luce dalle tenebre e chiamò la luce giorno e le tenebre notte. E fu sera e fu mattina: primo giorno.
and I'll take you seriously.
>>52419902
>i've used 10 seconds of my evening and he has used 3 hours
I feel so tricked
>>52419943
>sardinian is italian
>1 is 2
lol
>>52419905
It's not bait, you're just getting triggered and utterly defeated in this argument and your delusional autist brain is trying calm itself down by telling itself it's just "bait".
>>52420049
>sardinian is italian
Who the fuck are you quoting?
>>52420059
were was i defeated/
>>52420072
you
These are 2 italians from North, competing in romania x factor 2015.
Notice how they are as swarthy as the half-gypsy(the judge from far left)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT2FBRXAjlQ
>>52419943
lol non credo che Allah sarebbe felice se leggessi ciò che hai scritto a voce alta.
Sorry bro not gonna do it
>>52419905
>his great great grandparents are also his parents
>>52420096
Pro Deu amore et pro christianu poplu et nostru commune salvamentu, d'ista die in avante, in quantu Deus sapere et potere mi donat, sic salvaraeo ecc'istu meom fratre Carolu, et in adiuta et in cat'una cosa, sic como omo per diretu suom fratre salvare devet, in oc quod ille mi altersic faciat. Et apu Lotharu nullu placitu nunquam prenderaeo quid meom volu ecc'istu meom fratre Carolu in damno sit.
Looks like chinese to you uh? Stay salty.
>>52420161
When people hear ''Italy'' they think ''Ancient Rome, Renaissance, culture, cuisine, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Marco Polo, Columbus etc.'', when they think ''Romania'' they think ''gypsies and prostitutes''.
You wish you were italian.
>>52420179
Romanian anon >>52418391 confirmed.
>>52420244
>When people hear ''Italy'' they think ''Ancient Rome, Renaissance, culture, cuisine, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Marco Polo, Columbus etc.''
STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO THIS RETARD GOD DAMN IT CAN'T YOU SEE HE'S FUCKING BAITING??????? NOBODY CAN BE THIS DELUDED HURR WE IZ PURE ROMANS N SHIT
>>52420244
ethnic romanian on x factor 2015
look how whiter he looks compared to the swarthoid italians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLyh_udM7sg
>>52420330
i know i want to stop replying to the autistic but he keeps baiting with his delusions
>>52420323
Yes my finnish friend and you wish your country was relevant.
>>52420323
Don't be jelly that people don't even hear about an eternally irrelevant country like Finland.
>>52420244
>a fucking leaf
can someone give a serious answer as to who is more related to the Romans? not the other Canadian btw but I've always wondered
>>52420366
>the swarthoid italians
Paco Daco please
>>52420366
>muh whiteness
No one gives a shit, your 3rd world country is pathetic, its history is shitty and it's known only for its gypsies and prostitutes.
As for your national hero:
>Hunted, having his army defeated and finally cornered by Roman detachments seeking his head. Rather than being captured to be exhibited and humiliated at Rome, Decebalus committed suicide by slashing his own throat, as depicted on Trajan's Column (spiral 22, panel b).
>It is likely that he killed himself as a Roman cavalry scout named Tiberius Claudius Maximus from Legio VII Claudia was approaching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decebalus#Death
A literal pussy.
>>52420509
fake , didnt kill himself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Dacian_Wars
Also Decebal means Strong Dacian, he defeated and humiliated Domitian
>>52420427
>>52420436
>>52420454
Keep pretending I'm canadian, my romani friend.
>>52420578
The Roman emperor Domitian led legions into the ravaged province and reorganized the possession into Moesia Inferior and Moesia Superior, planning an attack into Dacia for the next campaign season. The next year, with the arrival of fresh legions in 87 AD, Domitian began what became the First Dacian War. General Diurpaneus sent an envoy to Domitian offering peace. He was rejected and the praetorian prefect Cornelius Fuscus crossed the Danube into Dacia with 5 or 6 legions on a bridge built on boats. The Roman army was ambushed and defeated at the First Battle of Tapae by Diurpaneus who was subsequently renamed Decebalus (Dacian for "the Brave") and who, as a consequence, was chosen to be the new king. Fuscus was killed and the legions lost their standards, adding to the humiliation.[6] In 88, the Roman offensive continued, and the Roman army, this time under the command of Tettius Julianus defeated the Dacians at the outlying Dacian fortress of Sarmizegetusa, also at Tapae, near the current village of Bucova. After this battle Decebalus, now the king of the four reunited arms of the Dacians asked for peace which was again refused. Domitian later accepted the offer, mainly because his legions were needed along the Rhine to put down the revolt of Lucius Antonius Saturninus, the Roman governor of Germania Superior who had allied with the Marcomanni, Quadi and Sarmatian Yazgulyams against Domitian.[7]
>>52420509
you're fucking retarded if you fell for that /pol/tard's b8
as is everyone in this fucking thread
>>52420479
by blood?nobody
sardinians are the closest by language
>>52420578
>fake
It's a well documented and accepted fact among academics, the dacians got BTFO, Decebussy slashed his own throat and you're descended from the offsprings produced by the alpha ancient italians who plowed Decebalus' dacian women.
Take your daddy issues down a notch now, okay?
>>52420731
You're forgetting centuries of bulgars, pechenegs, slavs, cumans and mongols mating with vlach women
>>52420981
except this didnt happen and its n time im telling you to prove it
the only pechenegs and bulgars are left in Dobruja
>>52421017
What didn't happen? Are you ignoring the fact that Pechenegs, Cumans, Mongols, Slavs and early Bulgars ( who lived mostly on your land at first) fucked vlach women and produced modern romanians?
BIG ROMANIAN COCK FOR BULGAR FERTILE WOMBS
>>52420981
which makes >>52418528 unsurprising, despite ''we iz da originals romans an sheit an owa language is da original latin!!1 belee dat!!!1'' desperate yelling.
>>52421063
are you aware of the fact that you cant prove anything?
>>52421077
>BIG ROMANIAN COCK
Literally the smallest in Europe, pic related.
Calm down silly romani dicklet boy.
>>52421099
why did you steal my gif
get the finns in here, they all have extensive knowledge of haplogroups for some reason
>>52421142
SMALL
>>52421077
>>52421142
>deepthroating big magyar cock while being fucked hard from below by big bulgar cock
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS UP!!!!!!
>>52421142
>>52421235
being romanian must be painful
>>52416402
I know both languages and I can confirm that Romanian is way more close to Vulgar Latin than Italian, in Romania we still use same words Latins used to use, same pronunciation and grammar, we even have 5 grammar cases as Latin. Our is the last Latin language that still has cases
>>52421169
Haplogroups are an indication of ancient movements, not genetic makeup/similarity.
>>52420605
lmao shitalian butthurt intensifies
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34015420
call me when you'll stop worshiping gypsy mafia
>>52421203
BULGARIAN
>>52421271
why?we have the most clay and best history
on top of that your women come to Constanta to get fucked by us
>>52421278
>I can confirm that Romanian is way more close to Vulgar Latin than Italian
It simply isn't.
>Romania we still use same words Latins used to use
See >>52418528
>Our is the last Latin language that still has cases
Yours barely sounds latin.
>>52421294
What the fugg, now I'm even more confused. Time to google haplogroups I guess, it was inevitable browsing /int/
>>52421307
romanian women come here to have a feel of the big bulgar cock
they fuck like rabbits here kek
>>52421357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUgIyYlMqII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJq2VAnfPtw
who cares about word, grammar its were its at you can borrow million of words
>>52421396
when i was 21 i used to fuck bulgar and shqiptar women that ilegaly passed the border from Constanta by sea
>>52421301
>call me when you'll stop worshiping gypsy mafia
Did you even read the first two words of the title of the article you mouth breathing spastic retard?
>>52421386
Haplogroups are passed in the mother/father line (males get their fathers, women get their mothers). It doesn't show genetic similarity however since it's simply an (almost) unchangeable marker in your genetic makeup. For example a Norwegian with R1a and an Indian (from India) with R1a are not genetically similar (in terms of humans, obviously all humans are genetically similar) while a Norwegian with I2 is similar to the other Norwegian (assuming both are Norwegians and not "Norwegians").
>be romanian
>be a manlet
>have small dick
>move to west to escape crippling poverty
>expect to fuck lots of qt blond women
>they laugh at you and think of you as the lowest form on earth
if i was romanian i'd drown myself in the black sea desu
>>52421427
Literally sounds like turkish folk songs, my fucking sides, what the hell were you trying to prove??
Compare those to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGs3QAraXOY
and here's a genuine neo-latin language (ITALIAN) which sounds unmistakenly neo-latin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSQDYu0g8M
>>52412394
Just read and understand
>>52421839
vampire is romanian myth, from vlachs from Ardeal.From the scythians who brought it from Sumer, see Lilith
>>52421839
t. Romanian in Italy
>Romania
>Roman
kek
>>52421938
you realise that after roman empire fell , most emigrated to Wallachia and Moscow?
>>52421995
Do you realize that your language sounds like turkish?
>>52422034
no,
>>52422061
It does, see >>52421653
Here's italian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQI_ury8pg
Unmistakenly neo-latin.
>>52422141
doesnt sound latin, maybe a little in words
but latin had different grammar and declinations
>>52422174
It sounds like vulgar latin (which the romans spoke), like an actual neo-latin language, whose words are pretty much all descended from latin, while romanian sounds turkish and see >>52418528
>>52422277
Well you are on fire today Pasta leaf
>>52422277
i dont think youve ever seen vulgar latin
different grammar
different declinations
and >>52418528
was aready debunked >>52418656
>>52422174
>>52422277
It's not surprising that we can easily read any latin text vulgar or classical and sound naturally fluent, while you can't and probably would sound like this cringeworthy polish actor with his slav accent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_IPqniaZR0
as proven by this romanian from /pol/ who recorded his voice reading the beginning of Genesis:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1AKyN3AXHnQ
>>52422358
>i dont think youve ever seen vulgar latin
See >>52416402
>debunked
kek'd
>>52421507
by looking at the pictures i can see swarthy italians crying over their dead gypsy overlord
sucks to know you're supposedly first world when your corruption is higher than ex-soviet shitholes
>>52421561
>be bulgarian
>500 years under turkish occupation
>forced to watch turks rape your women
that's enough senpai
>>52422174
>>52422501
cringe warning for that vocaroo link btw
>>52422501
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1AKyN3AXHnQ
thats not a slav accent, romanian like classical latin is a "speak how you read" phonemic language, unlike italian
>>52422543
>romanian talking about ''first world''
When people think ''gypsies and prostitutes'' when they think of ''Romania'', you should be asking yourself questions.
>>52418460
Gaius Julius Vuyko.
>>52422618
>romanian like classical latin is a "speak how you read" phonemic language, unlike italian
You just proved your ignorance, faggot
>>52422618
>thats not a slav accent
There's nothing latin about that accent.
Latin never sounded monotone like what you romanians speak.
Italian and spanish sound like vulgar latin which once again, is what the ancient romans spoke, not your turkish sounding language.
>>52422625
>shitalian leaf thinks he's superior
how about you clean your streets first :^)
>>52422694
xaxaxaxaxa
>>52422723
classical latin did sound monotone
>>52417409
>Interestingly, genetics prove that South is not white.You can even see it with your own eyes, they are very swarthy and hairy
I'm tired of seeing these shitty memes all over /int/. It doesn't piss me off that you people say we're not white, I couldn't give less. But I hate the fact that this is constantly used to insult us for no reason.
>>52422819
Those streets are being taken care of as made obvious in the same image you posted. Pic related is what a typical italian city looks like.
Typically roman.
It looks even better from below.
>>52422819
>>52422994
pic related is a typical romanian sight.
Once again, when people think of your country they think ''gypsies and prostitutes''.
Don't even try to trash talk Italy when you're pretty much a 3rd worlder.
So, do the autistic Italian-Canadian and autismal Romanians get paid to shitpost on int all day?
I find it hard to believe that someone would do this for free. I've seen this same shit so many times that I'm sure it's a full time job for them.
>>52423058
I'm not canadian. I've been here for only 3 years and I'll leave asap.
Also, I'm actually enjoying mopping the floor with that ''we iz da true romans an sheit!!1 belee dat!!!1'' romani autist.
>>52423054
>>52423054
thats in Bucharest, shithole of Romania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIgROydcFzw
>>52423058
i am italian not romanian
>>52423131
Oh, wanna see the romanian countryside? No problem, pic related.
I think you'd rather stay in your shitty commie block, friendo.
>>52423131
>i am italian
Read this and record your voice with vocaroo or clyp.it :
In principio Dio creò il cielo e la terra. La terra era informe e deserta e le tenebre ricoprivano l'abisso e lo spirito di Dio aleggiava sulle acque. Dio disse: «Sia la luce!». E la luce fu. Dio vide che la luce era cosa buona e separò la luce dalle tenebre e chiamò la luce giorno e le tenebre notte. E fu sera e fu mattina: primo giorno.
>>52423386
to busy stalking albanian sluts on fb
>>52423525
Nice try my romani friend but you aren't fooling me.
>>52423678
fool what?
man romanian is closest language to classical latin just proved you up
also if you google "romanian language" google corrects you with "latin comes from romanian"
because vatican priests said this some years ago
>>52423322
i can post shitty italian places too
can't fathom why you're so buttmad
>>52423777
>fool what?
You're pretending to be italian.
>romanian is closest language to classical latin
That is a meme, see the reality here >>52418528
Also, the ancient romans spoke VULGAR LATIN.
>latin comes from romanian
mfw
lol, it doesn't. You're delusional.
>>52423874
>Brasov
Nice try.
>German colonists known as the Transylvanian Saxons played a decisive role in Brașov's development. These Germans were invited by Hungarian kings to develop towns, build mines, and cultivate the land of Transylvania at different stages between 1141 and 1300. The settlers came primarily from the Rhineland, Flanders, and the Moselle region, with others from Thuringia, Bavaria, Wallonia, and even France.
>In 1211, by order of King Andrew II of Hungary, the Teutonic Knights fortified the Burzenland to defend the border of the Kingdom of Hungary. On the site of the village of Brașov, the Teutonic Knights built Kronstadt – the city of the crown. Although the crusaders were evicted by 1225, the colonists they brought in remained, along with local population, as did three distinct settlements they founded on the site of Brașov.
>Corona, around the Black Church (Biserica Neagră).
>Martinsberg, west of Cetățuia Hill.
>Bartholomä, on the eastern side of Sprenghi Hill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%C8%99ov#History
>>52412394
>cruror
kraujas
>edere
ėsti
>equus
arklys
>ignis
ugnis
can modern italians even be considered indoeuropean?
>>52424016
but it was build with romanian hands
>>52424061
no.
>>52424061
I would be happy if I wasn't, I don't like the "indo" part
>>52424061
Here are the italian descendants:
>cruror
cruore
>edere
dare
>equus
equestre
>ignis
igne
Nice try.
>indoeuropean
Do you even know what that word means?
>>52424016
yes,it is known that brasov was mostly built by germans,because transylvania was under their rule for quite some time
>>52413169
>son i...
http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/startling-new-report-on-oak-island-could-rewrite-history-of-the-americas-1-7118097
>>52424331
what do you use for hearth an love in italian?
kek youuse vulgar latin words while we use ancient latin
>>52424361
Is this supposed to be impressive? Pic related, l'Altare della Patria.
Also, what you posted is LITERALLY a shopping mall:
https://www.google.it/search?sclient=psy-ab&site=&source=hp&btnG=Search&q=Palas+Ia%C8%99i
Gli Italiani non hanno sentimenti
>>52424408
>we use ancient latin
See >>52418528
>>52412394
You certainly mean Dalmatian?
>>52424798
ancient latin is classical latin
vulgar is the last one
this is a hsitorical fact
now tell me again, what do you use for hearth and love :)))
>>52424846
this
dalmatian and proto-romanian
>>52424846
lmao just noticed again as proof
dalmatian and proto-romanian only true roman heirs, we are classical latin not vulgar bastard
most words from that image are from classical
