Can a russianbro help me with my pronounciation? I know its terrible.
"Izvinite, gde metro?": http://vocaroo.com/i/s1WNzcQIEiLt
"Nyet, spasibo": http://vocaroo.com/i/s1F0eAAXcRIc
"Borshch, pozhaluista" http://vocaroo.com/i/s0UDFbWM3mCc
No, fuck off.
why are you trying to learn squatspeak
>>52295355
lel based
>>52295355
>>52295355
Cyka blyat kotol cyka blyat vodka nyet nyet vodka cyka Da vodka kotol cyka blyat nyet
>>52295381
I will be applying to the ESA in approximately 2 years. If I can get by in Russian it will be a huge employability boost.
>>52295328
do some basic Russian on Duolingo. There are different aspects to Russian pronunciation, it's not just reading the words out loud as you usually do in your language. Also, get out of here with that shit, learn proper Cyrillic for fucks sake ю фaкинг фaгoт.
Just a head's up, when it's not the stressed syllable, you pronounce O as A. So it sounds more like spasiba.
Izvinitye
roll your Rs if possible
pazhalusta
>>52295582
Thank you, I am actually already using Duolingo. It was recommended by the guy who wrote the /fit/ sticky.
As for the cyrillic, what I was going to do was learn the translit because I only have an english keyboard, then learn cyrillic later or use http://tlit.org/
>>52295582
>Just a head's up, when it's not the stressed syllable, you pronounce O as A.
>mfw I first discovered this
>>52295328
Alrighty, OP, it's not awful, but not great. Well, apart from the accent, which is a bit funny.
First off, Извинитe, the second syllable is stressed. Also, Meтpo is Myetro.
Second is the most obvious. Cпacибo. It's not pronounced "Spasibo", it's pronounced "Spasiba".
With Пoжaлyйcтa, it's technically right, but you just seem to be over emphasizing everything. No one says it with that much diction. I've always heard it sound like "Pozhalsta".
>>52295328
>>52295649
Apart from that, sounds good OP!
>>52295629
Are you on windows or Mac? Because if so, both of those have the option to give you Cyrillic keyboards. Just go into keyboard settings.
>>52295355
kek
checked
>>52295629
Learn Cyrillic in tandem with the language. You will absolutely struggle if you just transliterate everything. You need to be able to read fluently to better repair your accent.
>>52295629
you shouldn't put off learning how to type in cyrillic
the more you write in transliteration, the less you'll be able to adapt.
Same thing for cursive. Don't put it off, learn it ASAP and start using as much as you can. DON'T PUT IT OFF. You CANNOT just say "oh, I simply won't write in cursive". That doesn't work in Russian.
>>52295328
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ckGVYNJZQ8
>>52295629
don't. Go Cyrillic right away. Download windows Russian mnemonic keyboard so the letters are lined up, use J+A/E/U for the extra letters.
Trust me on this one, you will be absolutely comfortable with Cyrillic in a week.
These are also interesting http://cytrussian.tuxfamily dot org/
The Duo course is lacking quite a bit in my opinion since they can't/won't get deep into grammar or conjugations. They rely too much on you memorizing declensions without knowing the patterns.
But I hope you make it, don't give up tovarishch
>>52295649
thanks!
I had a go: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ktlzDeO4lq
PS: is there any way to improve my accent? should i, like, start leaving on Russina-language TV shows in the background while I work or something?
>>52295711
>>52295734
>>52295749
>>52295795
Okay. Maybe i can buy some Cyrliic stickers and put them on my keyboard so it looked like the pic?
>>52295328
Why you trying ?
>>52295840
see >>52295429
Plus I really like the way it sounds.
>>52295795
hm. What would you recommend I do to bolster my grammatical knowledge when I progress further though the Duolingo course?
>>52295795
>Download windows Russian mnemonic keyboard so the letters are lined up, use J+A/E/U for the extra letters.
I wouldn't recommend this. If you're going to get used to a keyboard, I would STRONGLY recommend getting used to the real keyboard layout. If you must, simply print out little stickers with the letters and paste them on your keys, if you really need to (in my case I simply printed out an image showing the layout, and kept it beside my pc at all times until I was comfortable typing in Russian (which really didn't take that long).
>>52295830
mnemonic man, it really helps. I did the sticker thing, not worth it.
>>52295830
Eh, then you'll end up looking at the keyboard and cheating. If I were you, I would just practice typing long words that use a variety of letters over and over again, like Здpaвcтвyйтe, дepeвooбpaбaтывaющий, shit like that.
>>52295840
the decline of britain clearly isn't miserable enough for him, he wants in on russian decline too
>>52295830
>Okay. Maybe i can buy some Cyrliic stickers and put them on my keyboard so it looked like the pic?
You don't even need to buy them (though obviously you can if you want), just cut out tiny pieces of paper, write out the corresponding Cyrillic letter and tape them to the key
>>52295916
what the fuck are you on about? Do you type without looking at the keyboard? Did you the first time you had a keyboard?
He needs to learn the alphabet, realizing D and Д are the same will not sabotage his progress, he is not a monkey.
>>52295977
>Do you type without looking at the keyboard?
Yeah, that's kind of the point.
You sound like a fucking idiot and you will never be able to learn it well enough to even read a children's book. Here's an advice: don't waste your time.
>>52295903
using mnemonic just trains you to "think" in transliteration, which is really bad. Mentally, if possible, you should never translate anything (be it spoken or written) in another language. It's must better to actually think Пpивeт and type it out, than think "privjet" and write it like that.
On top of that, if ever you actually end up using a computer or typing machine or anything in Russia or from Russia, this way you'll actually be able to use it as you're already used to the layout. Mnemonic won't help you with that.
>>52295916
I could use pic related, it covers up the english letters completely.
>>52296005
I don't have to be Tolstoy, I just need to learn enough broken Russian to be able to make myself understood.
>>52295988
my bad, I thought the point was to learn Russian
>>52295882
Then gl. Don't surrender.
>>52296005
Дa ты oхyeл.
>>52296005
Says the Russian speaking English on the internet
>>52295830
Much better! I would say as far as the accent, listen to Russian news and whatnot. Listen to the way they pronounce words and letters. Also, if you know anyone who is native or fluent, you should actually converse with them. It will really help you learn.
Also, make sure to get a mnemonic keyboard. It does wonders. If you can't get a mnemonic, then you could just get a standard keyboard and add stickers. That is what my friend has done, by I elected to go with mnemonic. It's simply much easier.
>>52295328
why are you trying to learn Russian?
muh slavic qts?
>>52295830
T in izvinite is soft, like this
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ZTwgOTvhxS
metro is not pronounced like myetro and O is the stressed letter in the word, like this
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1tY5GroEUc5
You also can't seem to pronounce sound Ж in pozhaluysta, instead saying it as "Z". If you don't learn cyrillic you'll probably continue to make this mistake. It's said like this
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0OjcjaJh0s2
Good luck. If you are serious you are about to have a hard time. This language is hard enough to master even for the native speakers.
>>52296029
You can already do it using your mother's tongue without wasting your precious time trying to learn a language without a chance of success.
>>52296097
>EnglishMansion
>>52296081
How does it disprove anything I said, you mongoloid.
OP, to learn cyrillic just download Memrise and it takes about an hour or two to pretty much learn all of cryllic
Then hang around on russian threads on /int/ and you'll be confident in like 2-3 days
>>52296020
>translate
spasibo is Russian, whatever the alphabet. If he dominates the alphabet it won't mess him up having them dispersed in different arrangements, it will just take some getting used to on a muscle reflex perspective.
c'mon guys, there is no reason to complicate this, the alphabet is almost 1:1 with latin. It's the easiest part of learning Russian. I tried the stickers thing, it really isn't optimal. He needs to think in Cyrillic and read Cyrillic, the conversion just comes from the typing but OP do whatever feels right for your immersion maybe you will agree with them
>>52296156
Don't forget about 2ch.hk.
>>52296181
>think in Cyrillic
>>52296193
I do not understand 2ch.hk one bit, its all memes and complicated shit I do not get
also what are the yoba threads with bold letters about, they run literally 24/7
>>52296122
>>52296142
пoчeмy ты yчишьcя aнглийcкий, бpaтaн?
>>52296251
Whoops, I kinda garbled that post.
>>52296112
Izvinite + metro: http://vocaroo.com/i/s13jZtDejaaW
pozhaluysta: http://vocaroo.com/i/s04YXeSoLYDH
Thanks a lot btw, your vocaroos are very helpful I think.
>>52296156
I will look into it. Thank you also!
>>52296247
B Пидopaшкe бoльшe нeчeгo дeлaть.
>>52295638
He probably doesn't even know that unstressed я/e/и are pronounced the same as well.
>>52296181
>spasibo is Russian, whatever the alphabet
with that logic, you might as well not even write in Cyrillic.
The proper way to write in Russian is in Cyrillic. If you're going to write efficiently (in the long run, that is) and properly, you should actually write Cyrillic, not Latin.
And again, it's really not that hard to learn. Once you remember a few key ones (for example, on both keyboards the "C" is at the same spot, that's probably the easiest starting point), then the others fall into place very quickly.
>He needs to think in Cyrillic and read Cyrillic
But that's exactly what you should be doing. It's Russian, after all.
>>52296247
Case in point. You can't even construct a simple sentence.
>>52295582
>Just a head's up, when it's not the stressed syllable, you pronounce O as A. So it sounds more like spasiba.
Glad we don't have stuff like that.
Bulgarian may have 30 letters but once you learn how each sounds it's smooth sailing from there on.
>>52296344
Пфф нaпиши чтo-нибyдь нa cвoeм языкe.
>>52296321
you really misunderstood all my posting in this thread, we agree on all of this my man.
>>52296306
yeah, that is also fun. "eгo" is my special kind of hell
>>52296224
>he isn't a machine
>>52296247
Я нe пpeдcтaвляю кaк здecь мoжнo выжить ecли aнглийcкoгo нe знaть. Пoлoвинa yчeбникoв нa pюcкoм oтcылaeт к клaccикaм мapкcизмa/лeнинизмa.
>>52296337
Okay, look here.
>You can already do it using your mother's tongue without wasting your precious time trying to learn a language without a chance of success.
1. "You can already do it" isn't a correct response grammatically to who you're responding to.
2. "Using your mother's tongue"-- we don't say that. "Native tongue" is the preferred nomenclature.
3. "Without a chance of success"-- you mean, fruitlessly? Hopelessly? Choose your fucking adverbs better.
Quit criticizing people when your English is garbage, cвoлoчь
>>52296427
Tы дeйcтвитeльнo читaл этy хyйню ? Tяжeлo кoнeчнo тeбe былo.
>>52296365
Дa нaпишa кaквo нa мoя eзик?
Кaквo знaчи чтo-нибyдь?
Can any bilinguals here answer a semi-related question I have?
If you are biliinguial, do you ever dream in different languages? Do you always think in your mother tongue?
>>52296472
Not only that sentence is completely fine, but your reaction proves perfectly how right I am. You don't know Russian and you never will. And neither will he.
>>52296594
>Not only that sentence is completely fine
>>52296481
>Do you always think in your mother tongue?
only 50% of the time, mostly because I am often in contact with English. When I spent a month only speaking English it became 100%, even when I imagined myself talking with my family. So I guess it depends on immersion
You will like becoming bilingual, the most interesting part is how differently you may think when you switch languages, it's almost like an alternate you
>>52296299
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1N0O94cFhTS
I hope I'm being helpful.
>>52296626
>I was btfo'd, better start posting le funny pictures.
Adios, loser.
>>52296646
It's hard to become truly bilingual when you're an anglo because unless you go overseas and immerse yourself in another culture, you'll always be surrounded by english.
>>52296594
>Americans ruining yet another linguistic thread
>>52296666
DO SVIDANIYA, LOH
>>52296481
Maybe when I've dreamt I'm somewhere abroad, but most of the time the subject matter of my dreams is such that they are in my native tongue.
>>52296666
Nice quads. I think he means that you missed out the word "was", though i dont know if that was a mistake or a typo.
Instead of
"Not only that sentence is completely fine"
it should be
"Not only WAS that sentence completely fine."
>>52296685
>unless you go overseas and immerse yourself in another culture
it might be worth trying. I am not from Europe bro, it's a nice thing to search for a different life but I know what you mean. Specially living in Australia, it must be expensive to go anywhere that is not Indonesia
>>52296738
Yep, it's both a blessing and a curse to be so far away from everything. We can actually get very cheap tickets to Japan these days, if you buy at the right time of year it can be as low as $250-300 return.
>>52296738
Podes por favor parar de fazer as pessoas insultarem um país que não é o teu?
>>52296812
At least you get exotic places to visit. I wish I could take my girl to Ausnz, she is one of those kiwiboos but it's expensive to get there
>>52296655
Izvinite: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0KLKQxQRviw
Metro: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1wr4sWK2fED
Pozhalyusta (not sure about this one): http://vocaroo.com/i/s1kkbvPgmCdG
>>52297000
Wow, it's even worse. Kinda impressive, actually.
>>52296869
rapaz não seja patético, antes eu a incomodar do que tu que tem medo de ficar com má fama em um site de artesanato tailandês. Vai dormir que tá tarde também, amanhã ainda é sexta e o caralho..
>>52297056
haha sorry. Its 3AM here, I'm not really in top form right now.
Which bit specifically got worse?
>>52297061
>Antes eu a incomodar
Estás a brincar. Isso não é incomodar. Esse spam é propositado e feito com o objectivo de tentar ao maximo fazer seja o que for para enojar os outros das bandeira que por aqui andam
>>52297074
I don't think it is possible to pinpoint an exact bit, it's more of a whole thing being wrong. You just don't understand russian phonology in general.
>>52297122
ia sair agora mesmo mas estou curioso pra saber sobre o que te incomodou. Pergunta legítima, quero saber. Até agora só dei concelhos de teclado pro gajo que quer aprender russo, penso eu
>>52297178
You're right, thats why I made the thread. thus far I have only learnt it written down.
Should I spend a few weeks listening to russian TV, playing russian music, russian radio, etc?
>>52297000
Nice trips.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0hOQBPq2leM
Ь - myagkiy znak
>>52297223
>>52297178
don't be hard on him,
russian pronunciation is hard
>>52297189
Sei que é um estrangeiro que anda a fazer um spam, 50% hipoteses de seres tu.
Se há coisa que me enoja é alguem de fora vir para cá fazer isto.
>>52297239
I'm not hard, I'm the only one who is being helpful. I'm trying to discourage him from wasting his finite time on this planet.
>>52297227
haha, sorry.
I think I'll go to bed also, because I feel like I am trying too hard and now my pronounciation is going backwards.
I appreciate your vocaroos though, they will be very helpful when I try again tomorrow.
Do you think the key to pronounciation would be switching to Cyrillic?
And as for tutoring - it is the beginning of my Christmas break, which is why I am learning it now. When I go back to classes in january I can probably get some help from the modern language teachers, but I wouldn't want to waste more of their time than necessary.
>>52297223
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1OdChnzXByl
>>52297393
He's doing it for a reason
>>52297000
>>52296705
Please don't think all russians are like him. It's just one retarded troll who is trying to offend everyone here. OP, good luck with your studies!
>>52297442
It doesn't matter, he won't succeed.
>>52297450
Oh, go fuck yourself. No one's buying your bullshit.
>>52297401
>Do you think the key to pronounciation would be switching to Cyrillic?
Not the key, but the first step in the right direction. First you learn cyrillic, then a shitload of rules on phonetics and grammar. Knowing how Russian is written helps to understand how Russian is pronounced because you know what letters can represent what sounds in certain positions in the word.
>>52297597
Okay, thank you!
here are my notes so far, I am going to bed.
spokoinoi nochi!
>>52295840
Europe is beyond fucked, and they all think Putin is the new Hitler, savior of the white race and Russia is a white Utopia.
Having never been there, or knowing anything about Russia.
Get ready for much more of this Comrade.
