>American "education"
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/12/north-carolina-citizenry-defeat-pernicious-big-solar-plan-to-suck-up-the-sun/
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/offbeat/us-town-rejects-solar-panels-saying-they-suck-energy-from-sun-1.2465968
>North Carolina
Nothing to see here folks
>>52150822
this
Stop trying to meme on my state.
We're just life's spectators. IGNORE US.
>>52151097
>life's spectators
>nearly sabotaged the ACC's chances at being in the cfb playoffs
I don't thinks so Tim
>>52150794
It's the south.
>>52150794
I think my IQ dropped about ~80 points reading about that town.
I am now a vegetable, thanks 4chan.
>>52151476
Our eternal punishment for not just letting the retards leave when they wanted to. You learn to just accept it.
>>52150794
That's nothing, OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1AbLu5EZLk
>>52151607
Good. Fuck faggots riding in the street.
Get your queer ass on the sidewalk and out of my fucking way so I can get to work. It's a road not a fucking gym.
>>52151690
lmao
>>52151607
what the fuck
the painted lines....take away from her outlook on life?
>>52150822
>tfw they told me NC was one of the "good" southern states
>>52151858
nigger its possibly the best state
It's a Southern but with a lack of rednecks.
so a couple named bobby and jane mann made those comments that are getting quoted and promoted as the reason why a solar farm was rejected
when it looks like the area already has a few solar farms and the major concern was that it lowered property values and people moved away
but guess what you focus on if you want clicks
>>52151940
You're not wrong. Really all that's needed is to gas Asheville and Raleigh, and we're perfect.
Sounds like Duke Energy lobbying at work. They've been trying to stomp out solar power in the region for years.
>>52152006
>everyone always shits on asheville
understandable
>everyone always shits on raleigh
why
I hate Durham infinitely more. So much wrong with the Bull City.
>>52152152
Gas is way fucking cheaper (for now) and just as environmentally friendly(for now).
>>52151690
While I also disapprove of e.g. former 2 lane roads getting reduced to single lanes for bikes, I'd wish for more bike lanes aside the roads here too (on countryside roads, so no need to reduce car lanes or tear down houses), so bikers (sometimes me) won't have to drive along main busy countryside roads. When I bike, I take the route through the fields, it's slightly longer but much less dangerous
>>52151097
Keep pounding!! 13-0
>>52151690
t. Cleetus
BTW riding bicycles on the sidewalk is against the law unless you're a child.
>>52150794
Thank you, bro, my boss was just passing by and this photo sucked all the energy from him. I guess, I'll take his place.
>>52151690
As much as I hate cyclists who abuse high-speed avenues and such retards like you are much worse.
>>52150794
>Another resident—a retired science teacher, no less—expressed concern that a proposed solar farm would block photosynthesis, and prevent nearby plants from growing.
>a retired science teacher
>science teacher
holy shit. how
>>52153449
Hey, didn't you know that photosynthesis relies on like 0.1% of reflected light instead of direct sunlight, and those evil cells eat away all the otherwise reflected light?
Memes aside, pushing photovoltaics in germoni like it's been done in the last decade is pretty retarded tbqh, pic related
>>52153449
he probably tought it would be like that The Simpsons episode
>>52150794
>Gotta love Republican voters. This is what happens when you teach people to question science.
>>52152298
> just as environmentally friendly
Untrue
>>52150794
I mean, it's not unexpected, but i'm still disappointed.
>>52150794
Sucks for them. I'll keep soaking up all my free, delicious photons with my panels.
>>52152152
>>52152298
Only nuclear is worth anything in any metric you want to use.
>inb4 muh wastes
Just build a breeder plant and make electricity with this FUEL instead of letting it sit around doing nothing like some sort of nigger.
>>52153545
> is pretty retarded tbqh
So was deciding to get rid of nuclear.
>>52153605
I was all set to shame your heritage then I saw you were quoting a real comment from the ars site.
It's like being trapped between tards and tards.
>>52152262
At least from what I've seen a lot of the hipster/sjw trash is leaking into Raleigh these days.
>>52153545
chile confirmed for hot and spicy
>>52153694
Eh, for us nuclear is pretty much the same as oil/gas - it (uranium) has to be imported from 3rd world shitholes, so the only good thing about going renewable for us is it strengthens our autarchy (though windmills and water power are much better at that than photovoltaics desu, still we need to solve the big energy storage issue)
Eh a couple retards here and there is the brice of freedumb
>>52153751
Except they've been replacing the lost capacity mostly with coal so far.
>>52151607
Top kek
>>52151690
>Being this much of a retard
>>52153758
>here and there
Your estimates are a bit optimistic there anon
>>52153801
>environmentalist cry about nuclear
>they replace everything with coal
It's almost like environmentalists are composed of retarded women ( excuse the tautologie ) that don't know the first thing about electricity generation and just spout buzzwords without knowing like they mean like "reduce CO2 !" "end nuclear !" in one sentence.
>>52153801
Well temporarily shortly after 2011, but since then the increase in wind/hydro combined with a slight decrease in total electricity consumption has made up for our nuclear loss, and we're still net electricity exporters.
Also we have so much brown coal on our clay it can last us for 200 years. Pretty dirty maybe, but I personally don't care about CO2 desu (who needs -30°C winters anyway, like they supposedly occurred 100 years ago?), as long as SO2 and NOx are cut down
>North Carolina
Hey hey hey
We're closed
Shoo
>>52153545
We'll need renewables until fusion comes of age. And citizens producing their own electricity on their roofs is a very good way to do that. But the Usaian >>52153694 is essentially right, abandoning nuclear just like that was a stupid decision. (Very Merkel-go-with-the-flow tb'h.)
>>52153879
Did the Netherlands weaponize nuclear fission?
>>52153886
As I explained above, uranium has to be retrieved from 3rd world shitholes, hence your costly engagement in Mali. Of course it doesn't show up directly on your electricity bill, but it is still vast amounts of tax money wasted senpai
>>52153892
Wind isn't baseload, you can't build an electricity infrastruscture on it.
And hydro, while great, is inherently not scalable.
>>52153914
The only thing I'm splitting is ur mums pussy with my dick u fcking fgt
>>52153952
You can have wind base load if you use batteries to level out the curve.
>>52153911
Of course it was a populist post-Fuck-u-shima decision of her, but in the long run I believe it will actually make us more independent
>>52153952
As I said, I admit that energy storage is still a huge challenge we need to solve
Winston-Salem here
W-Why are you paying attention to us? S-Shoo! C-Commiefornia! Jew york!
>>52153958
considering the size of your dick it will probably still be atomic
>>52153941
Just buy from australia, i don't know.
This is a globalised world and you're under no embargo.
Are you implying you predict you'll be under blocade soon ? Are you trying to steal alsace-lorraine again you hun ? Go ahead, this time we'll get back the rhénanie.
>>52153978
Batteries the size of Mount Everest for a small town at the moment, unfortunately
>>52151690
>Anyone who doesn't drive my gas guzzling SUV is a faggot!
>>52154013
Pumped water then. And it only becomes a problem once you're generating enough renewable to store.
>>52154013
No, not really. You don't need that much capacity to level the curve. You only need huge amounts of storage (as a % of generation capacity) if you want true backup.
>>52154005
Eh, you tried to take us so many times (1688, 1792, 1800, 1918, 1945) but yet we never fell for your socialism...yet ;_;
But you must agree energy autarchy is a very important element of national security, why else do you think Murrica is starting so many costly wars over the petrodollar?
>>52154050
>>52154045
Yeah, problem is, unlike Norway (or to lesser extent the US), we're a densely populated place with only limited amount of high mountains capable of storing adequate kinetic energy
>>52154013
Not necessarily, you can use the energy to convert CO2 and water into carbohydrates like methanol during times of excess power generation, and then burn them when you need the power.
>>52154118
Which has nothing to do with battery load balancing.
>>52153758
This. They spice your life.
>>52154084
Yeah i'm just taking the piss out of you, hopefully china ( or indipfffthaha who am i kidding ) make that thorium reactor soon enough, you got plenty of thorium yourself ( that stuff is everywhere really ).
I guess wind and solar is good enough in the interim...
>>52154160
> implying the Chinese can be trusted to use nuclear safely
>>52151690
Never come to Holland, man. Never.
>>52154207
Regardless of the bike situation he shouldn't
>>52154126
Eh, there's so little CO2 in the atmosphere (0.04%) that concentrating it up to convertible levels would alone eat up a big chunk
>>52154137
A battery this big is just way too expensive, we'd use them if they were economically viable, they'd have to store up to a yearly variation (storms are mostly a winter thing here and may sometimes be very unreliable, just like right now)
>>52154160
It's not like we've stopped conducting nuclear research, we just strongly reduced mass fission energy retrieval, there's a difference.
But eh, people have been saying that fusion is "just around the corner" since the 1950s, and yet we wait to see viable results, I'm not getting my hopes up there... either there's really no advance, or oil corporations are sabotaging stuff, who knows
>>52154185
You have to be as retarded as an australian ( no offense but you guys are literally sitting on mountains of uranium and still importing your energy from abroad ? retarded cücks ) to fuck up that reactor though, i mean there no pressure difference, the reaction is piss easy to stop, shit aside from diving head first into the reactor i don't think how you could have an incident.
>>52153914
Did the US discover mechanics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, relativity or quantum mechanics? Past achievements don't matter as much as present efforts, anon. A legacy needs to be nurtured, not to just be staren at.
>>52154274
>the reaction is piss easy to stop
You have to ensure constant active water cooling over several years though afterwards, in order to not have the metals heat up above melting temp and boring themselves into aquifers
>>52151858
Don't let the memes get to you. Georgia is still the only respectable southern state
>>52154274
>importing your energy from abroad
We're going to drive uranium-powered cars?
I think this kind of stuff is what adds the edge to the "American image" and not even in completely negative way
When you see weirdos like this you just think that American dream is possible for all kinds of people
>>52154273
You don't need a big battery for load balancing you fucking moron. Learn to read. You know fucking nothing about this subject, clearly.
>>52154273
That doesn't really matter though.
Take a 100% fossil fuel driven planet and how much CO2 it releases, that's the amount you would need to capture again.
Saying there isn't enough is nonsensical, if you blast x amount into the air per year, then running the reaction backwards means you just need to retrieve the same amount x which is already there because we put it there.
>>52153758
>i can confirm every ameriburger comic ever made can apply to north carolina
to the rest of the world, I am very sorry
>>52154301
The US has some of the highest profile fusion projects in the world. Lawrence Livermore and Lockheed just to name a couple.
>>52154358
Electric cars are already a thing you know, so yeah you could have uraniumpowered cars, technically we already have them in France considering 70% of the electricity is from uranium plants.
>>52154356
Talking about the hypothetical thorium reactors here, stopping the reaction is as easy as draining it, it's passive shit.
Having no danger of meltdown makes experimenting with it worryfree. Aside from the radiation i guess, but if you fear radiation more than necessary, why you a nuclear engineer ching chong ?
>>52154417
Yeah you do. Let's assume a base load of 1kW per capita at night time, when there's no sun and the wind is calm. This for the whole nation makes 1k * 80M W = 80GW, this amounts to nearly 4 Three Gorges Dams at maximum output!
Without coal or nuclear plants running, how are we supposed to deliver that load?
>>52154431
You're forgetting the entropy here, CO2 dilutes itself quickly... of course sucking it up directly from conventional plants' exhausts might make things easier
>>52154581
You don't average the wind by windmill, you average it across the whole continent. Much less variable.
>>52154581
>Convert sun/wind energy during peak generation times to fuel
>Burn said fuel during low energy generation periods
What's so hard to understand, I thought germans had a modicum of intelligence
>>52154634
...so a very strong network is required that can send giga- to terawatts across thousands of kilometers easily. Here too our infrastructure is very lacking, not lastly thanks to NIMBYs suing to stop projects and delaying them for decades
I love how people keep up with the news in foreign countries just for banter, this is why /int/ is great.
>>52154659
>Convert ... to fuel
Easier said than done. Electrolysis cells are expensive, plus you gotta store the hydrogen somewhere. Let's not even talk about "higher" compounds (like hydrocarbons) which are even more complicated to synthesize
>>52154633
The real issue with CO2 is the fucking acidification of the oceans and death of the plancton.
That shit is the real scary part, we're talking about cutting oxygen generation by like two-third here !
Heat/extreme climate is as easy to fix as domed cities, but oxygen generation ?
I mean, i'm sure there is some methods to use electricity to break CO2 ourselves and we'd do int obviously if our survival depended on it, but shit if that's not scary to think about.
Hopefully said plancton will adapt fast enough and we'll not reach that...
kek..wtf is wrong with that town, too much sister fucking?
>>52150794
Freedom to be stupid.
>>52154798
Lol.
>>52154668
>portuburns
>>52154729
>It isn't being done now? ITLL NEVER HAPPEN
Most conservatives here are sadly very delusional in regards to foreign policy and science. They believe that America is the greatest country in the world and has no flaws except when a Democrat is in office.
>>52154739
I'm still not convinced about the oh so terrible negative consequences of raising atmospheric CO2 levels from 0.03% to 0.04%
I still consider that plants may act as a giant naturally buffer, growing faster thanks to the much higher relative availability of carbon.
Greenhouse farmers often enrich their atmosphere up to 0.10% CO2 and plants grow much faster this way
Also remember that there were periods in Earth's history with 20% CO2 atmosphere, and according to Club of Rome sensationalist logic, temperatures should have been like 700°C then? While in fact they were only 5°C or so warmer than now?
Therefore I'm one of the last Yuros, let alone Germans, to see man-made global warming at least sceptically, not unproven, but not proven either, and a very welcome scaremongering tactic for governments to raise yet another tax upon tax
>>52154837
As I said before, it's a challenge, and it is heavily researched upon, yet we don't know when or if fruitful results are about to come - so going full renewal without caring about the storage issue is high-risk gambling with the future
>>52154938
>>>/dkos/
>>52151097
How about them Hornets, they seem like they're doing okay for a change
>>52155006
You're assuming we know nothing about the feasability, which is false.
>I'm still not convinced about the oh so terrible negative consequences of raising atmospheric CO2 levels from 0.03% to 0.04%
You don't really understand much do you.
With the oceans acting like a buffer that means that when you measure a chance in atmospheric CO2 that means a postbuffering reading. It means the oceans have already taken on a large amount of CO2.
Carbonic acid: H2CO3<->CO2+H2O, now increase CO2, which way is the reaction going to prefer now? Thats right, carbonic acid, turns out having acidic oceans is pretty fucking bad for your marine life
>>52155247
Can you redirect me to any oceanic averaged pH level reading studies covering the last 100 or at least 50 years?
>>52155247
40,000 years ago our CO2 concentration was nearly 4 times what it is now.
Turns out the fish are still around.
We have to balance economic development with the stagnation of "environmentalism."
Republicans won't do a thing, Democrats want to kill the industry not in their states.
Smart people give incentives to the free market to figure out a more efficient means of energy production/GDP.
Idiots get all our production and pollution exported to countries who don't care. Pic related.
>>52155324
Heres a graph over 50 million years, see if you notice something special
And here's a link you should check because apparently you're too much of a faggot type it out yourself: https://www.google.nl/webhp?hl=nl#hl=nl&q=oceanic+pH
>>52155418
>The free market will solve it guys!
Oh boy
>>52155488
What the heck happened with 1800?
>>52155515
I said "incentives" dumbass.
>>52155515
Check out the solar cost curves before you laugh
>>52150794
:(
I was gonna laugh at this but then I remembered people here fear capitalism, success, opportunity and work
>>52154452
I wonder, what are the chances there'll be widespread protests once governments try to build fusion plants just because it has the word nuclear in it?
god knows there's enough stupid people in the world to do something like that
>>52157058
That's because your country is corrupted
I would usually make a defense for America a snarky comment, but honestly I do not have an excuse for this
I apologize world for the high level burgering
This idea seems fine for south western states where they built mansions in a fucking desert, but NC gets plenty of rain. I can't blame them for not wanting asphalt lots filled with solar panels which will drive up the temperature and kill wildlife. Its an insult to my intelligence listening to people so god damn retarded they need water from out of state criticizing others judgment.
>>52154798
How the fuck is Bolan beating out almost all the anglo, Germanic, and scandi countries? I'm happy for them.
