SPQR thread
allowed:only people that are direct descendants of the ROMANS
not allowed:barbarians
>>52127879
How can i know if i'm a direct descendant of a roman?
>>52127879
most of the faggots encroaching today on roman lands are barbarian migrants and settlers
>>52127879
turks are generally considered as descendants of romans?
>>52127928
were you a king?
>>52127879
Hello
we dindu nuffin
Woe to the conquered
>>52127879
Now this is the thread for me!
Hi eastern bros
>>52127879
sup
Varangian reporting in
>Oriental scum
>Roman
Ha !
we was monguls and sheet
Hi
We dindu nuffin, except rape, pillage and trade... We dindu nuffin.
>>52128392
Hello based king's guard
>>52128393
>>52128419
You gaulgoths, not romans...
>>52127879
Sup
Italy pls annex us
t. Cretan
Sup lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgRmnmyNKaU
>>52128419
You guys are barbarian scum so get out.
Leave us the romans (aka the corrupt, decadent and degenerate people) alone
Huhu
>>52128469
You guys are moors/goths/lombards, every spec of Roman in you is lost...
100% Italian American here
>>52127879
I dont know
>>52128536
Italicvcks not romans
>>52128446
>king
Χαραμ
>>52128529
Fuck off and ask yourself first, Italians are pure Romans.
I just know, deep down, that my ancestors were Roman nobles.
>>52128583
basileus means king in greek friendo
>>52128600
After Germans rekt Western Roman Empire, most Romans either fled to East, or fucked out of Italia, most italians now are descendants of Lombards.
>>52128529
Hi turkspawn.
BTW where's the usual mediterranean brotherhood? Fuckin cunt
>>52128536
Muh heritage.
>>52128613
Is ancient greek very different from actual Greek?
Because I'm learning ancient Greek and I was wondering if I could, one day, read modern Greek
>>52128669
>Mediterranean brotherhood
>Making the Ottomans very strong in Mediterranean for shekels
>Attacking Greece WW2
Not much of a brotherhood there t. Mario Mussolini
>>52128710
There are many syntaxical differences, but if you just want to read modern Greek, then ancient Greek's got you covered.
>>52128651
Bullshit, invading noble classes of a few hundreds don't change the overall markup
Also threadly reminder that German =/= Germanic, stupid English language
>tfw Clovis has been named Consul of Rome
This was built in 70AD
Direct descendat of the Roman Empire here.
How are you doing, my fellow subjects of the Empire?
>>52128710
But not fully though, just phonetically, don't expect to understand modern Greek.
>>52128780
>Ostrogoths attacked Italy and took it
>Lombards attacked Italy and took it
>Arabs attacked south italy and took it
>Austrians attacked Italy and took lands
>Spanish attacked 75% of Italy and took it
>Ich bin 100% Roman al-Italian let's go eat tapas later.
>>52128857
Descendant of (Not) Roman, (Not) Holy, (Not) Empire, hello.
>>52128857
voltaire.jpg
>>52128766
I haven't got Venetian heritage nor I had fascists among my ancestors so idgaf about those things, they're fucking shameful
>>52128905
you are confused, my dear subject of Ottomoan Empire.
>holy by the grace of pope
>roman because it actually had rome in it
>empire because it combined several cultures within its territory
test
i qualify for this muh heritage thread
3 neopolitan grandparents and the last part of my family were pontic greeks who fled to NYC
>>52128905
Here we have a T*rkish rapebaby
>>52128959
Here we have a Proud Roman
>>52129127
if i have ancestors who lived in latium and calabria am i roman by your mighty standards?
>>52128959
Still, the fact that you guys are Catholic heretics and actively oppose the Orthodox, it's bad enough.
>>52128987
https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-mean-to-say-that-the-Holy-Roman-Empire-was-neither-holy-nor-Roman-nor-an-empire
That's not a meaning of an empire bruv...
Just because of a city you don't get to name your empire after it, plus, if that's the case by the second half of its existence it was just Holy Empire then...
>>52129127
You're calling me a turkish rape baby? Seriously, you don't deserve the name Greek/Roman if you insult a compatriot like that.
>>52129127
>Cretarabs
>Greeks
ayy
>>52128766
>Not much of a brotherhood there t. Mario Mussolini
you're doing it wrong m8
>>52129245
Please, Cretans are actual Greeks, all the mudslimes in Crete left for Syria, it's just that this fag here believes in the wrong bullshit.
>>52129208
so you made this thread just to tell everyone who wasn't greek that they aren't decended from rome?
>>52129304
m8 it's the t. Common firstname Common Lastname (Stereotype)
>>52129321
Not my thread bruv...
>>52129208
>Just because of a city you don't get to name your empire after it, plus, if that's the case by the second half of its existence it was just Holy Empire then
So, by your own logic, the eastern roman empire stopped beeing roman after they lost rome?
>>52128905
But Italians are genetically super distant from us, even the Northerners, I guess internal migrations from the South in the last 100-200 years changed them more than anything happening the 2000 years before
FUCK.YEAH
hey famfakoulo
Ohh bby best looking autism coming through
Which is more pathetic?
The fact that your ancestors lost to my barbarian ancestors
or
the fact that the descendants of both sides are pathetic losers on a Laotian stick bundling forum?
>>52129208
Whatever, you're always right
>>52129429
Greece is rightfully ottoman clay 2bh
>>52129505
>>52129505
triggered pls stop
>>52128710
Attic, Ionic and Hellenistic/Koine are the easiest to understand
>>52127879
>SPQR thread
>Greeks shitposting about who's Roman or Not
Good thread Malakes
>>52129355
>By your logic
>By YOUR logic
The Eastern Roman Empire was always Roman because it had been a split of the actual Roman Empire into 2.
Think of it this way
You take a pie, the pie is too big to handle due to fucking sassanids and germans wanting to take a bite, so you split the pie into 1/2 and 1/2.
Filthy fuckin' Germanics eat that pie and only the other 1/2 remains, is that 1/2 not the same as the one eaten?
>>52129356
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1hqkhg/how_closely_are_modern_italians_ethnically/
I know it's reddit, but it explains things correctly.
>>52127947
The Republic of Turkey is legally the continuination of the roman empire
>>52129491
unless you are a direct descendant of the Winnili who lived in southern scandinavia, then a part of the suebi and then became the lombards, you didn't win shit
germanics got plundered and raped for centuries before fleeing the huns and fucking up the romans in the process
>>52129548
the eastern roman empire was greek my friend
they spoke greek,unlike other regions of the empir that spoke vulgar latin
>>52127947
turks descend from turkic tribes who migrated from central asia, so no
>>52129491
get outta here!
>>52129491
>The fact that your ancestors lost to my barbarian ancestors
They just lost because they let you guys emigrate to our empire...
>>52129570
Lel, filthy mudslimes take woman who wasn't porphyrogenetos and give birth to turk bastardchild, bastardchild claims Emperor of Roman Empire, takes filthy kike, makes him Orthodox Patriarch, filthy kike grants him Emperorhood (lel, they forget that the Church had nothing to do with the Imperum).
>>52129575
Roman politicians and high class Romans spoke Greek, they thought of Roman Latin as pleb lingo, Roman heritage is not about the race, but being given the birthright of being a Roman, Greeks had that.
>>52128707
This entire thread is muh Heritage.
>>52128766
Venice was actually founded by Romans fleeing the Huns. So basically Romans fucked the Byzantines over.
>>52127879
We are a mix of Franks, Romanized Belgae and Romans in a more or less 2:2:1 proportion over the whole country.
The city of Antwerp of all places even has 18% R1b1b2a2g (R-U152) Y-DNA, the most common amongst the Romans of antiquity. The rest of the country has a steady 5-10% Italic Roman DNA, although there is also a steady similar amount of E1b1b1* (North-African Roman), G2a* (Caucasus) and especially J2 (Greco-Roman), all parts of the Romans that settled here between 50BC and 500AD.
Source is not eupedia, but
>doi: 10.1016/j.fsigen.2010.08.020
where the researchers only sampled people who could prove their ancestry living in the region up until the 18th century.
Interesting is that the difference between Flemings and Walloons is purely linguistic, Walloons are even more Germanic than East- and West-Flemings who carry up to 10% Atlantean Celtic DNA (tribes living there were Celtic, the rest of the Belgae Germanics who adopted a Celtic culture).
Minor % are Danish vikings, Frisians and Huns, consistent but much lower than Franks, Belgae and Romans.
And in some parts of Brabant you'll find 1-2% typically Spanish DNA, but it is safe to say that since the Huns we didn't experience any noticable blanda upping anymore, although we've been ruled by half of Europe (by proxy mostly).
what if I'm the descendent of a Roman who fucked a barbarian?
>>52129781
If you use that logic then a lot of syrians can claim roman heritage, and north africans too, and englishmen too
>>52128780
Not always true around 50% of ethnic English X-chromosomes are from the Anglo Saxons.
Too bad the roman gene pool is dead.
>>52129548
>Filthy fuckin' Germanics eat that pie and only the other 1/2 remains, is that 1/2 not the same as the one eaten?
So, if you argue like that, the 1/2 pie eaten by Germanics is as rightfully a Roman Empire as is the Greek part of the pie
>>52129781
no mehmet the conqueror accepts ottoman empire is the new byzantine empire therefore turkey (which is the direct continuitation of ottoman empire) is the real and only descendant.
Hello guys :^)
WE
WUZ
ROMANZ
N
SHIET
>>52130044
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>52129575
>unless you are a direct descendant of the Winnili who lived in southern scandinavia, then a part of the suebi and then became the lombards
Paul the deacon wrote my family history, even if he did get a ton of shit wrong.
>>52129780
They lost because they let themselves be keked by the east
>>52129934
If syrians and north africans can prove that they had been given a roman birthright, and that they are the same people as back then, sure they can, that's what we Greeks did.
>>52129952
The Roman half is as Roman as the Greek one. It was made Roman. It's the same pie after all, just seperated into 2 pieces, by a rightful Emperor of the Roman Pie.
>>52129980
Mehmet the Goatfucker not a historian
>>52130044
t. Alberto Barbossa
>>52130069
>>52130137
WE
WUZ
GLADIATORZ FROM HISPANIA
N
SHIET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yOZEiHLuVU
>no barbarians allowed
>germanics and mongols pop up
>>52130176
ikr what a bunch of fagets...
>>52130176
just like in the old days :^)
>>52130176
>Greek turkspawn
>posts a uberhuman Hispanian gladiator
smdh
WE
WUZ
UBERMENSCH
N
SHIT
>>52130176
Even as a Lombard, I know my family just mixed with Imperials.
So it's mostly just a practice in shitposting.
>>52130165
Augusta Emerita is in Spain. And portuguese have nothing to do with lusitanians considering galicians were your ancestors.
>>52129356
Even in Roman imperial days, there was a shitload of North-African (Egyptian, Lybian), Greek, and Caucasian genes mixed in, next to Germanic of course.
They admired the bodies of Germanics and Sarmatians, it is safe to say that they fucked their slaves and babbies were often born. Also, slaves could be freed (Cornelii), even attain positions of power.
>>52130137
>Mehmet the Goatfucker not a historian
maybe but its more important that a ruler considers himself the leader of once a great civilization resurrected after all he ended the byzantium and he's the most important authority in this matter. If he says he's a kaiser then he motherfucking is.
>>52130286
Then fucking Obama can claim that he's the fucking monarch of the Qing dynasty and he'll be right because he's powerful.
>>52130269
>Augusta Emerita is in Spain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerita_Augusta
It literally says Region: Lusitania
Portuguese & Galicians are a Celtic-Lusitanian mix.
Spanish """"people"""" are the actual inferior mongrels in Hispania.
Literally get the fuck out of here non Lusitanian subhuman.
>>52130286
Nope, he maybe conquered it, and surely destroyed it, but his claim to the title is illegitimate.
Russia is the true successor, as it is orthodox and there is a blood-relationship, the tsar marrying a Byzantine princess.
>>52129942
Fuck I meant Y
>>52130263
>Even as a Lombard
>>52130436
I think I know what my last name is, lad.
Also le hat meme is for atheists, not MUH HERITAGE.
I understand that your family probably has no record keeping at all, but that doesn't mean we all come from shit poor stock.
>mfw a Spaniard thinks hes a descent of Lusitania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitania
>ASSPAIN IS LUSITANIIIIAAAANN!!!!
>i swer u guise!!! >:(
>>52130407
>Byzantine princess
>not porphyrogenetos
>even IF we're basing the claims on blood
>Rurik dynasty dissolved in 1598 anyways so Russian kingdom lost claim.
not legitimate claim, sorry bruv
Please tell this uncivilized mongol barbarian the good parts of your empire. Which regions were the most successful and rich, besides italian peninsula?
>>52127879
Ooogaa Boogaa where dem roman wimmenz at?
>>52128526
Funny how things inverse over centuries.
Germanics loved freedom (hence why the Franks called themselves Frank, they wanted to live the Roman life on Roman land but not pay taxes - we even have an old expression directly derived and still used today: frank en vrij) and Germanics were known both in early and late imperial times to be terribly inefficient and lazy.
Now they have little freedom (pay a shitload of taxes under a shitload of oppressive laws), but widely know for their efficiency and industriousness.
>>52130497
if you think about it for two seconds your surname is just your paternal ancestor lol, literally just is like saying youre related to charlemagne like 30-40% of europe is
WE
>>52130661
No latina women for you today! Now, go fetch me some grapes.
WUZ
>>52130592
Well, East had many monies, Balkans/Greece, Palmyra (very shekel), Egypt (cause of Ptolemy),
but Sbane and Gaul also had many resources.
>>52130592
ROMANS
>>52130682
The last time I checked the only thing people care about is ones paternal ancestors.
If you're going to be like that you basically must hold the opinion that family history is just stupid.
N
SHEIT!
>>52130801
your version of family history is stupid and just involves googling your surname, i actually visited my paternal family at a reunion in naples and kno a good amount of mine from them.
>>52128529
>500 years under Ottomans
>
I lost my sides
>>52130569
>>52130569
It's much more legitimate than Turkey's claim. True, the Ius sanguinis is Frankish in origin, but blood relation was also important to Roman nobility.
But you are right that today's Russia hardly can claim it. To be frank the only direct successors are you, Greeks, as if it wouldn't have been for classicism and romanticism (Byron and his lot) admiring ancient Greece so much, I'm pretty sure you would still be called Romani as you still called yourselves in the 19th century.
Even the name Istanbul... it's pretty pathetic and you probably know the history... it just means "there is the city" or "that's the city". I can imagine some clueless Turk asking the locals for directions to Constantinopel and getting this as an answer.
>>52130895
>just involves googling your surname
You seem to be making some assumptions that are false. 2/10
>>52131029
Means "to the city" actually
It comes from Eis (to) tin (female the) poli (female noun meaning city) in Greek
>>52131096
Eistinpol (E as in easter, S as in slither, Tin as in tin can, Pol as in politics).
Istanbul
>>52130390
Wtf are you talking about, that wikipedia article clearly shows how it was in today's extremadura, in spain.
>>52130407
Akkoyunlu and Safavids had blood-relationship but that does not make them succsessor.
Either you have to seize Rome or Constantiople.
>>52130569
Being born in the purple isn't a must. Founders weren't and many Basileos weren't either.
>>52130688
>>52130725
>>52130768
>>52130811
>>52130859
t. Alberto Samefaggosa
>>52131225
what? THERE WAS NO "SPAIN" that time you dumb pathetic shit
It was in Lusitania. Also known as Portugal and some little western part of modern "Spain"
>>52130981
Greeks seperated from Turks due to different religions, Greeks kept in aegean area mostly, Greeks married at age 11 to avoid marrying an islamist and converting, Turks regarded Greeks as Jews and would not intermix with them. Whereas Germanics had the same religion, liked fucking like beasts (don't forget they are barbarians), stayed longer than Ottomans did in Greece, stayed in the same region as Italians, and didn't have a negative outlook of the locals.
>>52131293
Yes, but one thing is usurping the throne while being a citizen of the area, and another thing is conquering that state, and claim you are its ruler even though you are in every shape and form different from them.
Our claims are cultural, not just dynastic, the Roman Empire did begin as a republic.
>>52131477
are you really saying that no turks are islamicized greeks
>>52128529
>moors
Maybe you mean Arabs in Sicily,most of them were maghrebi/tunisian/half roman anyway
>goths
Didn't have impact
>''every spec of Roman in you is lost..''
>this is because of genetics
>implying it's true in the first place
>implying what the fuck do you think 'being roman' mean in the first place
>Greeks
>Akin to Romans in the first place
>Not being half-middle eastern already in ancient times
>What is Ottoman domination
Learn history,idiot
>>52129942
Not true actually, most Y-DNA in England is Brythonic (Atlantic Celtic) in origin: R1b-L42.
The same one also found up to 10% in East- and West-Flanders (Menapii, Morini) and on the Irish eastcoast.
>>52131605
>Greek
>True Roman
>>52131368
There was not "portugal" at that time either. The term "portugal" didn't appear until several centuries later.
Lusitania is not portugal, and Emerita Augusta was never portuguese.
>>52131710
Lusitania is modern day Portugal though
see>>52130556
>>52131710
The Capital of Gaelicia was Braga.
OUR BRAGA.
>>52129942
What I meant to say is that "Germanic" means a whole group of people, mostly defined by linguistics, "German" (or "deutsch") is a modern nationality encompassing only some of all Germanic language speakers, as well as a good chunk of further Celtic speakers in the South, and some former Slav speaking ones in the North-East (small group of Sorbs still have it)
>>52131560
Don't you understand that only Greeks are pure and everyone else is a barbarian? Italy, the birthplace of Rome isn't Roman but Greece is 100% pure because they "separated" and were "special" and nothing ever applies to them.
>>52131710
Portugal is a mix of Lusitanian lands and Celtic lands (Galicia as well)
We are the true iberians
>>52131846
We are Celts and Lusitanii, Spanish are Celts and Iberian.
>>52131782
>further
*former
>>52131560
There are Turks that are islamic Greeks, but not at Mehmet's time, but no Greeks that are Christianised Turks.
>>52131605
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire
Yes, I am basing YOUR claim of being Romans on genetics, because that's the only claim that stands, I've already proven that you are bastards of goths/anglos/spaniards/moors etc etc, and OUR claim is that WE are culturally Romans, that we were given the birthright to be Romans since the beginning, and because the Greeks of then, are the Greeks of now, the claim still stands.
>>52131846
Technically the term "Barbarian" means "he who doesn't speak Greek, so you're unironically right". It isn't about the place, it's about the people, just because geographically you have some parts of the ancient kingdom of Macedonia, that doesn't make you Macedons, you're still vardar bulgaroslavs.
what have the Romans ever done for us?
>>52131846
what if I am genetically Lusitanian?
>>52131995
>but no Greeks that are Christianised Turks
Don't you have a few "-glu"s here and there?
>>52131767
Part of Lusitania was part of modern Portugal. That doesn't mean it's the same thing. Emerita augusta was in Lusitania, but never was in Portugal.
>>52131771
So?
>>52131846
>true iberians
No such thing.
>>52131995
>>52132063
bad reply 2bh
>>52131995
Quoted the wrong guy, I think you were replying to me? I never said anything about Macedonia, stop projecting, I also never implied that Italians have to be Roman because they live there. I merely pointed out how every culture supposedly mixed and changed, to the point that you are saying Italian's aren't Roman, but for some reason Greece was left unchanged and a special snowflake. Again, to the point you are telling the people who are most likely to be Roman they aren't.
>>52132023
NOTHING AND THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT DOING NOTHING FOR JEWS!
>>52132074
There are a few pomaks in Thrace, but that -glu is mostly Anatolian Greeks that were forced the turk name unfortunately.
>>52132114
y?
>>52132096
>Part of Lusitania was part of modern Portugal. That doesn't mean it's the same thing. Emerita augusta was in Lusitania, but never was in Portugal.
It is Portugal though, my friend.
You're sounding exactly like Turks when they say they're European because of Istanbul lol
>WOW SOME TINY LITTLE IRRELEVANT PART OF SPAIN IS IN LUSITANIA, WE SURE ARE LUSITANIANS
>>52131846
Iberians never lived in Portugal.
>>52132023
Nothing really.
>I mean there's sanitation.
>>52131995
>he's still going
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmI-hGthrwA
>>52132258
Kek, you just pointed out how they were invaded by foreigners, and when people point out 500 years of Ottoman rules, you have an excuse that "they married at 11 hurr durr" when you can't know for a fact that no Greeks mixed with Turks. You also can't know the extent of which the Italians mixed with the invaders. Maybe they married at 10 too, or maybe the invaders found them too ugly or something so they didn't mix?
>>52132216
I meant Iberians as in the inhabitants of the Iberian peninsula
not Iberians as the people. Those aren't even humans t b h
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula
>>52132216
Cetls lived on the west, Iberians lived in the east.
The Lusitanii are not a race, they are a Celtiberian tribe which occupied Most of Portugal and a little of Spain.
What else?
most of the Roman countries today are shit. You have as much connection to the Roman Empire as I do to the Saxons
I love Greeks, Greeks are my brothers. Greeks and Turks are brethern. We should be united as one. Turkey and Greece should be one big happy country.
>>52132207
I'm not saying we are lusitanians. We are not. Portugal isn't Lusitania either.
Lusitania doesn't exist anymore, and when it did it was part territory from modern Portugal (most of it) and part from modern Spain. That doesn't mean either of us is lusitanian.
>>52132023
>>52132175
You also missed a 10/10 Monthy Python reference you damned philistine.
>>52132434
youve never been to a roman country and all you know are memes from /int/
>>52132439
Except it does
Do you seriously think we magically vanished?
Do you seriously think we are all moors, jews and negros now?
>>52132207
I'm not saying we are lusitanians. We are not. Portugal isn't Lusitania either.
Lusitania doesn't exist anymore, and when it did it was part territory from modern Portugal (most of it) and part from modern Spain. That doesn't mean either of us is lusitanian.
I didn't know this triggers the portugese so much.
>>52132383
Stop Alberto, you are embarassing us.
>>52132533
t. Edinilson Wagner
>>52132382
DUDE! I FUCKING PROVED EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! THE ROMANS THAT REMAINED IN ITALIA HAD NO REASON TO NOT INTERMIX WITH GERMANS! BUT GREEKS OR ROMIOI IN THE 16th TO 19th CENTURY DID! AND NOT JUST IN ONE SIDE BOTH!
Plus phillistine not an insult to me, phillistene's come from the sea peoples that rekt the minoan/myceneans and they were mostly pelasgian Greeks that settled in Judea and killed jews for a living. Jew-Killing Hellenes are not an insult to me.
Iberian roman reporting in
>>52132637
>I FUCKING PROVED EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
>>52132652
t. Evandro Kizomba
>>52131477
Byzantines were different than pre-Empire Rome in every shape and form. Language, religion, geography and regime wise. So does that mean Greeks weren't true Romans?
>>52127879
feels good being gaelic and alemannic instead of a sissy roman boi
>not allowed: barbarians
b-but... h-huns n shiet...
>>52128780
>t. Alberhauser Barboreich
>>52131995
The Byzantines were in Italy too,dumbass
>goths/anglos/spaniards/moors
Top kek
>>52129570
AaaaaahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhAhhahahahhahahahahahhaahhaha
>>52129570
>>52132703
>>52132582
>What kind of names are those?
>>52132484
I've been to France, Italy, and Spain, along with many other provinces.
>>52132637
Such ass pain. Also, I don't know about the Greek historical society, but the rest of the world doesn't count greentext, conjecture and a 12 year old's wet dream as "proof".
>>52132667
About the
>Maybe they married at 10 too, or maybe the invaders found them too ugly or something so they didn't mix?
>>52132709
We still had the concept of Roman thought, Roman titles, the Romans themselves changed the regime so it still stands. Impervm not based on religion, Constantine the Great changed capitals in full Impervm so Geography was always there, full Impervm accepted Christianity, so Christianity Roman belief too.
>>52132765
Even if they were for quite sometime, enough so that you could have any sort of claim to greekdom in Italy, that would be your only claim to Romanhood.
>tfw only Italians that are Romans are Grikos in Sicily.
Awe, brothers, Croatian here. Yes indeed the Barbarians are such subhumans.
>>52133025
>greeks are romans
>romans aren't romans
Pls shut up and make me a kebab
>>52133025
Can /int/ please gather some funds to have this Greeks genetic lineage tested? Would love to see your reaction when your delusions come crashing down.
>>52133188
Greek's. Whops.
>>52133025
Nice try Mehmet Yilmaz
>>52133177
>Romans aren't romans
Excuse me, I said, Italians aren't Romans.
>>52133188
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/TIISRFUQL3AJ4M2RE
http://greek-dna-sub-saharan-myth.org/greek-dna.html
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/05/20/new-dna-tests-show-minoans-european-origins/
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22527821
General studies done to Greeks about their originality to the ancients.
Here you go
>>52132023
They freed you from pharisaical tyranny.
>>52133097
Je moet niet lange zijn
Romans were mostly R1b and J2
>>52133509
>Cant handle the Bantz
>>52133852
t. Alberto (NotRoman) Barbossa.
>>52133025
I kinda agree with that. Despite being ethnically Greeks, they called themselves Roman. Therefore Turks called the Greeks as "Rum" not "Grek" or "Yunan".
"Yunan" comes from Arabic btw.
Let me ask you a question.
Suppose that one of the Basileos converted to Islam. Would they still remain as the successor state?
ps: Question unrelated with Ottomans.
>>52133900
Actually, yes, if he's basileos by birthright he'd be the successor in the state, but he'd most likely be killed.
>>52133897
T.Turk
>>52134005
>not praising the glorious Portuguese Caliphate and hero of said Caliphate, Caliph t. Alberto Barbossa, saviour of the islamic Empire of Portustan.
>>52133900
They weren't a successor state, they were the state.
>>52134114
t.Ottoman
>>52134171
Thank swedebro
gtg fgts I rekt you with my knowledge
not gg, bg, bg4u
>>52133509
>>52133509
>According to George Stamatoyannopoulos, professor at the University of Washington in Seattle, and one of the study’s co-authors.
Nope can't be biased. Even that article said they were of European origin not that Greece can claim an unaltered genetic lineage back to them.
Also:
>topix
Can i join? Lots of roman emperors came from our lands.
>>52134256
>Nope can't be biased.
I don't see any Macedonian being a professor at any University in the States though :P
what have the romans ever done for us?
>>52134437
Shut the fuck up cockroach.
>>52134399
Doesn't mean there aren't any and our country hasn't hit the rock bottom yet. So they are probably here.
Also:
>American Education
>>52127879
>Graeculi
>not barbarians
Stay away from my Mos Maiorum you faggot
>>52134437
>t. judean people's front
None of you are Roman until evidence of your lineage is provided
>tfw greek but with pale skin and dirty blond facial hair
what does this mean
what does this mean
>>52134484
you are absolutely retarded if you think that our universities are bad
>>52134539
>American
>>52134529
Kek, finally someone else caught it. First time it went unnoticed.
>>52133948
Neither Constantine nor Julian got killed though. Not to meniton Iconoclasts reigned for a brief period.
However I agree you with that.
>>52134624
It was a joke, relax. Looking at my country, I'm in no position to make fun of anyone else's.
>>52134743
hard to tell sometimes, our poor secondary schools are bad and sometimes people extend that to every system of education in the country unironically
>>52134437
Freed you from pharisaical tyranny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
>>52134814
Ye, but with all the recent women's studies, black history and lefty agenda getting pushed, they definitely are on a downward slope.
italians are romans t.bh
>>52134931
those are some isolated incidents that made international news (like pretty much everything negative here unlike any other country), its hard to get perspective on such things unless you have some first hand experience
>>52134931
this is true but our stem fields are unparalleled
>>52134996
Certo che è lui!
>>52127879
reporting, i have a strong roman nose. I'm pretty sure I'm roman rape diaspora.
>>52127879
What are you guys doing in a Finnish thread?
>>52134628
>Celtiberian
Papers pleeeeease
>>52127879
75% Umbrian 25% Etruscan mustard race here.
>>52135574
only true answer
BARBARBARBÖRKBÖRKBARBÖRK
You're all Italian rape babies. Ireland are the only Celts left. We survived. Fuck you all, fuccbois.
SCOTS ARE IRISH RAPE BABIES. DAL RIATA BEST DAY OF MY LIFE.
ENGLAND NEVER RAPED US. WE WERE RIGHTEOUS AND NEVER MIXED WITH THEM.
>>52135574
At last I truly see.
Hello.Whats with all the fight?You realise that only ROMANIANS are romans right?After roman empire fell, ex-romans were called vlachs.Just think who has the first romance language :)
>tfw
>>52140153
>STONE AGE
>>52144931
Let's show off muh laymen linguoautism
>guerra
Germanic loanword
>domus
Interestingly, Slavic "dom" is still quite close to Old Latin (via shared IE), In German and English, both word and meaning of the cognates have shifted a lot, "timber" and "Zimmer" (room)
>edere
Germanic still uses "eat"/"essen", and IIRC so does Slavic "jest"
>gardinus
Germanic loanword that is cognate to "hortus" (IE *gh in this position became *g in Germanic and *h in Italic), Slavic equivalent "gorod" has shifted meaning to "city"
>focus
Most likely Etruscan loan, ignis instead has Slavic and Indian equivalents (ogni/agni)
>>52147577
You won't change the fact that italian is the closest language to what the ancient roman people spoke.
Just hear the similarity:
>>52144931
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0qzugdp6ntc
That's also the reason why only us native italian speakers can naturally sound fuent in latin and read latin texts with less difficulty than others. I cringe everytime some butthurt non-italian like you tries to separate Ancient Rome from Italy.
>>52147930
Yeah it's probably the closest big language with overall similarity to Latin. I heard some claims that Sardinian is slightly closer though, and Romanian has kept more of the original grammar (despite being lexically and phonetically very Slav-influenced)
What all vulgar Latin derived languages went through though is the IMO ugly k-palatalisation, for example changing "Caesar" from original /Kaisar/ to /Seesaa/ (French) or /Tschässaarää/ (Italian), while the loan into German (Kaiser) is closer to the original
>>52147577
>>Slavic "dom" is still quite close to Old Latin
and in italian it's ''duomo'', even closer.
>>gardinus
>>Germanic loanword
Whoopty doo, in italian, it's ''giardino'' now, still closer.
>>>focus
>>>>Most likely Etruscan loan
The etruscans were ancient italians too. Your point? ''Fuoco'' in italian now is still closer.
>>52148315
No need to get butthurt about anything, you're barking at the wrong tree. Just wanted to compare different IE languages/look at similarities/relations as well as differences between them
>>52144931
You can find a lot of derived adjectives/nouns or synonyms from classical latin:
>bellico,bellicoso
>cruento,crudele
>domestico,domicilio
>edibile
>equino,equestre
>felino
>afferrare
>orto
>ignifugo
>ludico
>magnifico
>ogni
>orale
>scibile
>sidereo
And a lot of others
>>52147577
>focus
>Most likely Etruscan loan
No it's Latin and means 'hearth'
>>52148295
>ugly k-palatalisation
Well, there's still debates over the pronunciation of latin and I'm pretty sure that Caesar would've never said ''weni widi wiki''. I remember reading a few vulgar latin phrases which I can't find at the moment and to me it looked just like a typical italian dialect, they seemed very close to italian even grammatically.
The sad thing with french is that it sounded much more latin centuries ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKuUqsR4WOY [Embed]
Southern accents are still pretty ''italian sounding'' though.
>>52148550
Sai dirmi dove posso trovare testi in latino volgare?
>>52148651
Well it's just that the etymology is unclear as it has no other (sure) IE cognates, re-checked and yeah, Etruscan loan is only one possibility
>>52148782
Of course we can never be 100% sure about ancient phonology, but comparative linguistic to other IE languages as well as checking out early loans into other languages make it highly probable that C was indeed [k] and V was either [u] or [w] originally - when exactly shits took place is of course harder to pinpoint
>>52148903
>C was indeed [k] and V was either [u] or [w]
I doubt it, those pronounciations didn't change overnight.
>>52148994
Of course they didn't, but over many centuries this can easily happen, gradually (with intermediate sounds), I could imagine something like
[k] (before front vowels) -> [kʲ] -> [c] -> [t͡ʃ]
in the case of Latin -> Italian
when your related to the cow that caesar sacrificed
>>52149219
>this can easily happen
I know, but as I said, Caesar most certainly didn't say ''weni widi wiki''.
>>52149272
How can you know? Maybe by 50BC some of the shifts already happened, maybe not
>>52129570
I hope you get nuked you filthy roach
>>52127879
>>52127943
>greek-speaking christian byzantines
>Roman
AVE FRATELLI
