Why are Southerners so afraid of the concept of bilingualism? I'm genuinely curious.
>>52020327
France isn't Southern you retard.
>Turkey
>Europe
>>52020390
You're sort of half 'n' half.
I wouldn't say we are afraid, it's more like that english is more difficult to a romance/other languages than to a germanic one. And other factors I think.
I would be more worried about the national languages of nordic countries dissappearing tBH.
only elders can't speak english here.
>>52020419
>israel
>country
we don't give a fuck nigga
Dunno what are you up to... Most Slovenes speak minimum two languages even the old folks, I speak three...
>>52020327
>>52020591
>And other factors
dubs.
>>52020419
go fuck yourself in the ass you jew bastard.
>>52021272
>>52020419
neither of you are Europe
>>52020327
Almost everyone can speak English here (on a basic level at least).
>>52021295
at least we have soil in europe.
>>52020629
r u elder
>>52021272
>>52021083
Jews founded your country mehmet. Show some respect.
>>52021295
we aren't on the map painted as Europe. and I never said we were in Europe
>>52021272
triggered
>>52021341
>>52021404
then how come you get to play in our Euro championship?
You can't fool me m8 I've got my eye on you.
>>52020591
Doesn't count for Slavs, let alone Finns though, they have it even harder, at least English vocabulary is very Italic/Romance
>>52021505
fug
delet this
>>52020498
No, we're western/central Europe but not southern.
+ We don't want to be a bilingual country because english have nothing related to us. It's not a part of our culture.
>>52021523
Deutsch ist doch simple obwohl ich Slowene bin.
>>52020327
Most people here speak two languages and a lot speak three.
So, how many do you speak?
>>52020327
Because people in southern countries are usually more traditionalistic and religious. Ergo they are not open minded compared to the rest of Europe. And therefore they do not need English as necessary as its needed up north to blend into society. See, my english sucks as well, I hope you got my point.
We're lazy fuck England
>>52021523
That's what I say and others factors. It's a more a problem of attitude? Like ''we don't really need english'' mixed with the difficulty. I wouldn't know to be honest.
I think it's a bit exaggerated though. English is nordic countries is like the first language and the national doesn't count.
>>52020498
You kinda fail at geography.... Unless your talking about your own point of view ''that it's south of Norway'' your detention of southern Europe is a failure.
>>52021620
What I'm saying is that the groups I mentioned can into English too despite having even less in common with it than Romance languages have with it
Oh and Slavic to me in general is weird, will never get behind the soft/hard dichotomy, or those undoable South Slav consonant clusters like "ml" at the beginning of the word, that's just... wrong
>>52021742
>''we don't really need english''
That too, even more so than German you have a lot of native speakers, so enough media in your own language, things are dubbed etc. which is similar here, that's why small language speakers (Dutch, Scandi...) are better at English I theorise
>>52021850
definition
>>52021607
Eh I'd say Lyon and southwards is Southern Yurop because things are starting to get "Italian" (the weather, vegetation, cities...)
>>52021918
Lel, I'm Lyonese and my city is not like italians at all.
>....or those undoable South Slav consonant clusters like "ml" at the beginning of the word, that's just... wrong
like for example.. ''mleko''? You just don't speak any slavic language that's why it sounds wierd. Same for people that don't speak German it sounds all harsh and angry to them.
>>52021990
this, I wouldn't want to be associated with the French under any circumstance to be honest.
>>52022075
Yeah, or like "vocalic r/l" as in "smrt"
Also it's mostly the Hollywood rendition of certain Austro-Bavarian dialects that are harsh, if you know what I mean.
I have a rather soft/nasal dialect though, and standard newsreader German has a rather sterile/robotic ring to me
>>52022356
Well, we just don't write the schwa sound. If we did, it would be smәrt.
>>52022356
I personally fail with everything with R init, might it be smrt, krt, prt.... and especially I rather not try the rolling R
Well they do use ''Hochdeutsch'' there no? What dialect do you speak than?
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>>52022564
It's a transitional one between Hessian and Palatinian, we have lots of vowels but also sound a bit nasal and murmuring, I blame the proximity to Fr*nce for that
Native villagers still speak a strong version, but internal migrants and city folk tend to more Standard German.
Everyone understands and can speak Standard German though and will switch to it when talking to non-natives
>>52022564
Slovenes don't really roll our R's, we just trill them. If a sound in a word is to be lengthened to emphasize the importance of what's being said, we'll choose vowels over consonants. For example, the Slovenian counterpart to the famous Polish exclamation o, kurrrrrrva is o, kuuuuuurba.
>>52022835
Oh wow can you find me an example of it on youtube, I don't think I'v heard that one before.
>>52022851
>Slovenes don't really roll our R's, we just trill them
Well whatever we do I fail at it. Riba, raca, rak, še nekak gre iz navade iz ostalega bo pa nastalo... plt, smlt, vlt (prt, smrt, krt).... Oh well at least some chicks say it's cute.
Mfw at least half the population of portugal is trilingual.
>>52023019
just so you know, it takes me every bit of self control not to burst out laughing when I'm talking to people like you
>>52020327
>France is southern.
>>52022950
There's not too much material for this specific one, but some examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-PlvvxgP_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9nGLaNtlOI
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>>52022916
>>52022916
>>52022916
Bullshit map, we're northern European.
>>52020390
>>52021607
>Provence and Midi aren't southern
There are Frenchies who SERIOUSLY believe this
>>52020327
At least 1/4 of Spain is bilingual, there's around 5 different official languages here.
>Needing bilingualism
>>52021607
Don't go full italian mate.
>>52023558
I visited Turin and Milan, and they don't seem southern neither.
I mean, Midi and Provence seem more southern than these cities.
>>52023019
Erjavec? Kaj delaš na 4chanu?
>>52023593
>At least 1/4 of Spain is bilingual
Is that supposed to be good?
>>52020327
>>52023724
Qu'est-ce que tu veux dire ?
>>52023851
Kohl pogrkuje, on ne govori l-jev namesto r-jev.
>>52020327
>east europe counters beat the shit out of each other from thousand years
>hey - why you dont bilingualism
>'com on be moar open minded
>be moar friendly
>>52023775
>Turin and Milan are radically different than any other Italian or Spanish city
>southern European means poor and hot
stop postig
>>52020390
As a rule your English is shit though
>>52023507
Uh... hard one to understand apart from a word here and there, I can understand as much as I can understand das schweizerisch Deutsch.
But interesting one haven't heard it, thanks.
>>52023851
Kharl ma bl svoje h-je
>>52023211
;_;
Well same for me than with people with S-F like.... fonce (sonce), favna (savna) etc.
>>52022356
Interesting. When German loaned "granica" (Grenze), the "gr" at the start didn't mutate into something else.
Maybe it's just your dialect that's less compatible with words like that.
>>52020327
>live in Normandy
>apparently I'm closer to a kurd than to an Englishman
explain this bullshit
>>52020390
>>52021607
>We are germanic and shit
>>52026175
Western Europe, ok ?
>>52022111
That's why we don't feel """latins"""
Too relevant for this
>>52027642
>If I refer to myself as relevant enough times people will respect me
Carry on then peacock, we'll just keep on laughing
>>52027843
You know I'm right, faggotini
all the southern europeans posting in this thread are proving you wrong, because they're writing in english
>>52027884
>pls gib attention we are relevant :(
>>52028027
Unlike some Latin countries...
>>52028055
>we r so much better than u pls notice :((((
ok tiger
>>52028149
>ma qué, per favor, be cooler with ur latin brothers, we need u, we need a relevant country in our latin club !! ;(
>>52028324
you don't realise that nobody wants to be associated with a country where you risk your life every time you leave your home
>>52028324
>thread posted by a norwegian
try again next time """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""brother""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>52028476
The whole France =/= IDF/Marseille, m8
>>52028530
nobody cares m8
>>52022111
>>52027642
>>52027843
>>52027884
>>52028027
>>52028055
>>52028149
>>52028324
>>52028496
loving this romance meme skirmish
>>52020327
I'm sure that the average Balkanian speaks two language.
Pass that question to Italians and the French
>>52028574
Yea, nobody cares about you, m8s
>>52028609
That's why we invaded them so many times
>>52028622
see >>52021678
also france is germanic viking not romance please give respect
>>52028659
>French trying to brag about centuries old invasions to keep up the "relevant" persona
can't make this shit up
>>52028783
What ? No
>>52028680
Your ancestors were certainly not lazy. This is what happens when you unify Italy. The mass of people become complacent and the R*man clutch/grip can be felt around the necks of the poor Italian regions. Only a construct such as """"""Italy""""""" can turn an illustrious sea faring nation of people who knew barbaric languages such as Turkish, those of the Misr Mohammedan and the meddling Frenchman. Now they are a sinking, smelly city
Vote for independent Veneto. Vote for a better, Venetian tomorrow
We all speak Croatian and English, though. Some people go on to learn some German or Italian.
Also, we can speak Bosnian, Serbian, Montenegrin, Serbo-Croatian and Yugoslav.
>>52028820
>Frenchman in charge of understanding basic english
the Norwegian was right after all
>>52028905
My mate
>>52028867
>a croatian talking accusing others of living in non-countries
>>52028867
>mad as fuck croatian blabbing about something
tldr 2bh
>>52023953
bilingual by birth mate, not talking about english speakers there
>>52025926
So beautiful.
What? You are confusing us with Italians and French. Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese almost always speak at least 2 language below the age of 70.
>>52028948
>>52028955
>mentions of a Croatian realm: since 8th century
>mentions of Italy as a realm: something something 19th century (inb4 counting Lombards)
FREE VENETO
>>52020327
In every country in the USSR, and the satellite states like ours people were taught Russian as a second language in school, and everyone going to university also studied a 3rd language usually French or German.
After 1990 it was clear that English was the way to go so that's what kids started learning as a second language.
>>52020629
But a lot of the old people can speak Turkish or Bulgarian, at least in northern Greece.
>>52020327
I'm trilingual
check mate senpai
>>52029224
Do you have proofs?
>>52029282
Duchy of Croatia
>>52029224
>first mention of the Italian language: 960 AD
>France Slovenia Croatia Bosnia Serbia Kosovo Montenegro Macedonia Albania Bulgaria
>Southern Europe
>>52029327
what's a croatia?
Lots of young people speak and understand English although with a stronk slevik aksent.
We're better than Italians in that regard I think.
Old people are more likely to know German.
And btw it's much harder for us to learn English than it is for Norwegians considering your languages are much more similar.
>>52029414
>Turkey
>Europe
>>52029341
And the first mention of a Croatian language date from 13th century (1288)
>>52020327
But my region is already bilingual.
And i also speak english.
So, what are you talking about, m8?
>>52029278
>Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian
>>52029541
Every self respected Croat knows three world languages (excluding his own vast Serbo-Croatian): Slovene, Italian and German
>>52029520
>>52029520
In central and northern european countries they speak english as good as their own language, most stores have english names, etc...
Meanwhile in most southern europe only the younger generation knows good english, and most of those have poor oral/speaking skills
>>52025926
Putain, c'est beau, la Normandie !
>>52029666
then OP's question should have been "why are southern europeans poor at english".
I would argue that there's a way bigger amount of different languages being spoken in southern europe than in northern europe.
The next generation here starts speaking more than 2 extra languages. My nephew is learning spanish, german, french, english and he's only 11. What the fuck, fuck I'm old reddit.
>>52029599
>self respecting
>doesn't speak English
I should probably consider by Crete dialect a different language. Continental greeks don't get me if I speak it too thickly. Imagine deep Scots compared to queen's.
>>52029811
>Australian
>speaking English
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11957994/Gday-mate-Lazy-Australian-accent-caused-by-alcoholic-slur-of-heavy-drinking-early-settlers.html
>>52020327
Because these people have had the most historical experience with it and know it doesn't work
>>52029797
>My nephew is learning spanish, german, french, english and he's only 11.
Is he learning that in school? Because we also "learned" english in school for 5 years and i'm pretty sure that nobody but a few can speak the language decently. A 4 hours a week of classes is simply not enough to learn a language, unless you go for other methods outside of school.
>>52029811
I'm afraid I don't quite undestand...
>>52029666
And why would we?
I mean, yes english, is the future blablabla... but why would we be forced to learn a strnger language?
This is Spain, you speak Spanish, end of line.
if you are a britshit chav who comes here to get drunk and to behave like an absolute ape, you must learn the language of the country you are in.
I'm ok with people learning languages, but i hate the fact that english (which is a disgusting language) is being forced onto everyone.
>>52030201
porqué estas tan frustrado?
>>52030201
I agree with you.
I already rage when my 12 year old cousing uses Oh my god and what the fuck all the time.
>>52025471
Nah, "gr" is an "allowed" cluster in German
Most Southern Europeans are Socialists/Anarchists.
They view English as an imperial language.
English in fact was chosen by popular will. No one forces you to learn English, pinkos.
>>52030421
I just view it as ugly/foreign/unplesant, I wouldn't oppose French influence as much as I oppose English.
>>52030355
>I already rage when my 12 year old cousing uses Oh my god and what the fuck all the time.
Welcome to the future.
Scandinavian and Dutch people are probably so used to this that they take it for granted already.
Personally I think it sounds stupid and "trendy" but whatever, they're teenagers, they will probably grow out of that one day.
>>52030421
>Most Southern Europeans are Socialists/Anarchists.
>They view English as an imperial language.
>>52030489
Of course you wouldn't, moor.
>>52030489
At the end of the day it's you that loses if you don't learn the language, none of us could give a fuck
>>52030497
I say adios a lot if it makes you feel any better
>>52030545
england and usa are more arabo-nigger than France, in demography and in culture.
>>52030421
>Most Southern Europeans are Socialists/Anarchists.
>They view English as an imperial language.
>>52030421
>Most Southern Europeans are Socialists/Anarchists.
They view English as an imperial language.
kek
>English in fact was chosen by popular will. No one forces you to learn English
We're forced into it in primary school
OP, here. I'm back after being away for quite a while.
Just wanted to clarify that I don't think all of France is southern (only the parts along the mediterranean coastline like Languedoc-Roussillon and PACA), but I felt that could be partially excused as they'd still fit in with the overall theme of being Angloskeptical.
>>52030421
>>52030545
Fuck off, Amerinigger
>>52030421
We're forced to speak this shitty language because of you, Americans
>>52032137
They're forced to speak it because of you, too.
>>52032223
kek
>>52030421
Someone copy this into that spurdo image pls.
>>52020327
here most people speak english, i think 50% of country at least, not to mention other languages german, french etc.
we have large tourist industry we have to know at least english
>>52030421
holly shit you're an idiot
>>52021990
>mfw i encounter Lyonese bro on /int/
>>52031249
>We're forced into it in primary school
Your country chose to spread it because English the most useful and logical language ever created.
>>52032137
>doubtful
If Americans were forcing you to learn English, why would we force British English on you?
The French know that English provides better better literature, culture, and job opportunities. French was never a useful lingua franca outside of Africa.
ITT
>>52032223
>>52032261
wot
>>52032993
>most useful
Yea, because of you
Turkey is about as European as France is South American 2bh
>>52030545
It'd be so easy to carpet bomb them all
>>52023958
Which one is considered standard?
Arbërëshe master race btw
hello
Pretty much everyone in Lebs is trilingual, Lebanese on the streets, English on TV and French in school. Bilingual if they went to an American System school... I couldn't believe this many people in France couldn't talk English.
The only reason to be monolingual is if you know English.
>>52020327
It's standard practise that students here in ex-yu learn at least two other lanugages i.e. German and English. Some even takes classes for French and Russian.
>>52037770
>huuuuur if I go to Serbia or Japan, I can speak English, duuuuuuuur
Respect cultures and languages, you faggots
(and I would say the same if French was the lingua franca)
>>52020327
There will always be a de facto language
I don't get my "I'd pick french over english" countrymen, both the french and the english are unbearably arrogant and self-absorbed, but english is easier to learn.
Yet again, with the rise of automation, automated translators and mass unemployment, the government could make learning a foreign language unnecessary but employing the thousands of people on perma-benefits as translators.
>>52037797
I forgot to add this, but I personally am fluent in English and German, excluding my mother-tounge Serbo-Croatian, so I could call myself billingual
>>52037842
Respect races something more tangible than culture or languages, racist.
>>52038632
Stop oppressing me
>>52020327
French aren't southern. Our greatest rival isn't some bloody pathetic Latin shit.
>>52023019
>>52023211
THIS. The only exception was this qt that couldn't pronounce the R's but in the harshest way you can imagine. For one reason or another I get a boner listening to her struggle. Instead of:
>krem
she says
>kh'em
Shit gets me hard for some reason.
>>52021341
??????
>>52038152
o que é o esperanto?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dogtDz_Vwmw
>>52021990
>>52027642
La France est latine depuis l'antiquité classique.
>>52045873
Putains de Celtes défaitistes, ils n'avaient qu'un job !
>>52020327
>bilingualism
There are like 5 official languages in Spain lad.
Switzerland btfo.
>>52046093
>job
Repousser la civilisation romaine? kek
>>52029666
>have names of stores in english
Are there even bigger cultural C U C K S than northern europeans?
>>52046474
Ouais...
On a tout merdé
>>52046666
Tant mieux.
>>52021391
Does he look Jewish to you?
>>52049245
More like a result of "giaur girl I brought from Balkanlar" desu
>>52046830
>un Romainboo
>>52032993
/thread
>>52049245
those coloured black and white photos are laughable. He did not look like that
>>52049372
>Romainboo
J'admire tout simplement la civilisation antique de mes ancêtres.
>>52049388
He actually did:
https://www.google.it/search?q=ataturk&biw=1280&bih=627&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCwtLRvdfJAhUElIMKHWOfAEIQ_AUIBigB
>I have to translate words from English to Swedish all the time
>my English phrasing is more eloquent
>>52049441
Oui, on l'admire tous, mais les premiers, vrais Français passent avant tout
