>According to Herodotus (ii. 154), king Psammetichus I (664–610 BC) established a garrison of foreign mercenaries at Daphnae, mostly Carians and Ionian Greeks.
>Athens was established in 630BC
>Greeks suddenly had technology to build large temples, human sized statues(as opposed to figurines),first mentioning of philosophy at around the same time
https://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/Timeline_of_Athens
Western culture btfo. I'm not even black, nor were Egyptians.
>>51916324
It was all ayylmaos, m8.
WE WUZ PHILOSOPHERS N SHIT
>>51916324
and the Egyptians picked it up from Babylonians.... nothing new....
>>51916356
Ancient Egyptians had the same ancestors as Arabs m8
>>51916324
and ?
>>51916324
Don't talk about things you don't understand you nigger.
>>51916371
>and the Egyptians picked it up from Babylonians.... nothing new....
Egypt is much older than sumer http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070711-egypt-artwork.html
>13,000 BC
Their writing system influenced the sumerians, not the other way around as recent discoveries of the Scorpion king indicate
>the apex of europe civilization, the root of ALL their history was ripped off from egyptians
hard to make this shit up
>>51916463
Doubtful it has something to do with Egypt, as I could claim than the paleolithic tribes in Europe (est. 17,300 years old) influenced Egyptians
>>51916550
Writings older than cuneiform, figurines older than sumer were found in Egypt
>>51916604
Thing is all over the world are found artefacts that pre date em, but they were nomads and yes they very well influenced the Babylonians. But the first real city states originate from there.
Pic. unrelated.
Mesopotamia - Egypt - Greece - Islamic Culture- European Culture.
Past is past, future is future. Nothing lasts forever. The ideas that tried to revive the past always failed. Learn from past and look at the future.
>>51916835
Yes, it was believed sumer was older, but that's been recently shown to be wrong.
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEDvwrJ_vXU
>>51916884
>Mesopotamia - Egypt
this meme of mesopotamia being older needs to die already
See >>51916897
Egyptians and Indus Valley civilization learned everything from Sumerians. As a matter of fact, Mesopotamian civilizations (like the Sumerians, but also the Babylonian and Assyrian) had more influence on the Greeks than the Egyptians, easily.
>>51916960
>Egyptians and Indus Valley civilization learned everything from Sumerians. As a matter of fact, Mesopotamian civilizations (like the Sumerians, but also the Babylonian and Assyrian) had more influence on the Greeks than the Egyptians, easily.
No.
>>51917019
>t. Ahmad al Misri
These threads should be contained to /his where the retarded can be happy together. All they end up with is people who have no real knowledge of what they are talking about posting links, half remembered "documentary" facts and conjecture in some sort of bizarre ritual where everybody competing knows all this and yet they still compete.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>>51917055
I hope you're not talking about me fAm, I mean it's common knowledge that the Sumerian civilization is older than the Egyptian one.
>>51917043
Egypt is older than sumer, by the time Egypt had its first dynasty, upper and lower Egypt were fighting for centuries.
This dates Egyptian civilisation back to the 4th Millennium, there is not a shred of evidence showing Sumer being older than Egypt.
The only reason half educated people think it is is because Sumerians had a mythical king list that stretch back to 130,000 BC with kings reigning for 30,000 years.
>>51916384
>no finno-ugrics
We appeared out of thin air and memes #truth
>>51917087
they had pepe the frog 5000 years before raptor jesus
>>51916324
>Athens
Who cares senpai? Athens was relatively late to the scene. Originally it was the Minoans from Crete, who are thought to be largely influenced by the Egyptians (most advanced civilization in 3000-2500 BC, very close by). Then it was the Mycenaeans. Athens sort of inherited everything afterwards. Then Romans picked it up from them and Alexander. This is how western civilization always propagated itself, at least get the sequence somewhat right lad.
Yeah people didn't just go *poof and there they are* but evidence alone that there were people in Egypt well before the Sumerians doesn't say anything....
Here people in Europe also around that period...
https://vimeo.com/124516510
But merely because their existence predates anyone I can't claim they influenced a unrelated culture.
>>51917392
>Yeah people didn't just go *poof and there they are* but evidence alone that there were people in Egypt well before the Sumerians doesn't say anything....
>Here people in Europe also around that period...
who cares about European cavedwellers, Egyptians had already developed a culture by then is what is clear. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend.
>>51916324
Youre telling us something we ALL already knew. White people aint shit and they got their start thanks to "mudslimes" & "shitskins".
>>>/his/
>>51916444
Please die if youre not gonna contribute to the thread.
WE WUZ KINGS N PHARAOS
>>51917814
who cares about African cave dwellers than.
>>51918108
point is they weren't cave dwellers. Why are you arguing when you didn't see the documentary?
>>51917087
Fuck off, if anything according to your links, European paleolithic influenced Egypt.
Whos to say egyptians dont base their writing on the vinca script or something.
But sumerian is still older script sorry buddy no amount of pseudohistory links will change that
>>51918162
>people in Europe were cave dwellers.
Saw it, I still can't claim that Egyptians influenced the Sumerians.
>>51918162
Actually there are no paleolithic caves from europe that were inhabited because paleoeuroopeans didnt live in caves. Pretty much the only places with actual cave dwellers is the middle east. People still live in caves there.
Egypt mad they haven't been relevant for the last 2000 years unless they're being conquered by someone
>>51918253
maybe thats because its hard as shit to build anything out of fucking sand
>>51917814
Europe has the oldest figurative and painted artwork in the world, the oldest script in the world, second oldest still standing structure after göbekli tepe, way older than the pyramids ,oldest signs of metallurgy etc so what culture did the egyptians have others didnt?
>>51917173
You are Russian in denial.
THat map proves.
>>51918206
>But sumerian is still older script sorry buddy no amount of pseudohistory links will change that
http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/469/2159/20130395
>Actually there are no paleolithic caves from europe that were inhabited because paleoeuroopeans didnt live in caves. Pretty much the only places with actual cave dwellers is the middle east. People still live in caves there.
pic
>>51918245
you were saying babylonians influenced Egyptians
>>51918385
Nice picture. That's absolutely not a evidence of human settlement inside the caves though
>>51918385
>cave painting sites
>inhabited
They were used for rituals, not habitation.
>>51918206
>Whos to say egyptians dont base their writing on the vinca script or something.
>But sumerian is still older script sorry buddy no amount of pseudohistory links will change that
Geoffrey Sampson believes that most scholars hold that Egyptian hieroglyphs "came into existence a little after Sumerian script, and ... probably [were] invented under the influence of the latter ..."[19] This view, however, is strongly contested by other scholars. Dreyer's findings at Tomb UJ at Abydos in Upper Egypt clearly show place names written in hieroglyphs (up to four in number) recognizable as signs which persisted and were employed during later periods and which are written and read phonetically. The tomb is dated to c.3250 BC and demonstrates that such writing (on bone and ivory labels) is a more advanced form of writing than was evident in Sumer at that date. It is argued, therefore, that the Egyptian writing system, which is in any case very different from the Mesopotamian, could not have been the result of influence from a less developed system existing at that date in the latter location.[20]
>>51918385
No signs of habitation have been found inside the Chauvet cave though.
But thanks for reminding us what marvelous culture europe had 25k years before egyptians did anything
>>51918449
>>51918485
>They were used for rituals, not habitation.
prove it
>>51918468
All of that is highly subjective. Anytime I hear an explanation to be sonething like "it couldnt have been because it was more advanced" i just see the ancient aliens guy in my minds eye
>>51918494
Prove it isn't, idiot.
>>51918485
>But thanks for reminding us what marvelous culture europe had 25k years before egyptians did anything
abos had it for longer, painting isn't civilization
>>51918494
lol idiot
can't you prove it wrong yourself?
>>51918485
>cave painting by some random fuck(s)
>common european "culture"
It isnt exactly marvelous
>>51918494
how about you prove that they were in fact used for habitation
>>51918494
Well you named the pic you posted the cave of forgotten dreams, in that documentary its made completely clear as they have mapped out every inch of the cave and even every speck of ash fallen from the torches.
>>51918449
Are you sure? Many of european caves are full of human tools, animal bones, rests of bonfires, etc.
>>51918532
Abbo rock art isnt even thousands of years old
>>51918542
>>51918535
>>51918528
>Archeology and Human Habitation
>The gorges in Ardeche contain numerous caverns, many of which possess petroglyphs and other artifacts of archeological and geological significance. But Chauvet Cave is unusually big and was inhabited by prehistoric humans during two distinct periods: the Aurignacian (c.40,000-26,000 BCE) and the Gravettian (26,000-20,000 BCE): that is, firstly about 31,000-29,000 BCE, and later about 26,000 BCE, after which the cave was sealed by a landslide. Most of the artwork dates to the earlier period of inhabitation (c. 30,000 BCE).
>>51916324
The greek got their culture from the Minoan empire. That they destroyed completeley.
Later Romans got their culture from Greeks.
>>51918591
Yes, very few caves have signs of continued habitation.
>>51918591
Chauvet was never inhabited. You can't live in a cave, it's cold, wet, full of animals and whenever it's raining you can drown.
Chauvet isn't full of human tools, though they find some, which are necessary for painting.
When it comes to animal bones, they were for the most part most likely brought by bears
>>51918626
Do you think so? There are many that were used first by neanderthals and then by sapiens. In my region there is one used for thousands of years and Galicia is in a corner of Europe.
>>51918603
They didn't live INSIDE the caves, idiot. They lived in the entrance in wooden habitations using it as a natural protection
>>51918603
The exact purpose of the Paleolithic cave paintings is not known. Evidence suggests that they were not merely decorations of living areas since the caves in which they have been found do not have signs of ongoing habitation
Watch the documentary you nonce, that will answer you
>>51918641
>Chauvet
I'm talking in general.
>>51918670
There are caves that have been used by hans but very few with actual continuous habitation.
>>51918598
>Abbo rock art isnt even thousands of years old
literally, LITERALLY everything you say is wrong. Do the world a favor and follow in your disgraced countrymen's path.
>>51918693
It would be helpful if you brought up an example of an inhabited,cave so we could actually talk about it
>>51918685
>The gorges in Ardeche contain numerous caverns, many of which possess petroglyphs and other artifacts of archeological and geological significance. But Chauvet Cave is unusually big and was inhabited by prehistoric humans during two distinct periods: the Aurignacian (c.40,000-26,000 BCE) and the Gravettian (26,000-20,000 BCE): that is, firstly about 31,000-29,000 BCE, and later about 26,000 BCE, after which the cave was sealed by a landslide. Most of the artwork dates to the earlier period of inhabitation (c. 30,000 BCE).
I'm interested in the subject. Can you post any source?
>>51918683
>They didn't live INSIDE the caves, idiot. They lived in the entrance in wooden habitations using it as a natural protection
>in·hab·it
inˈhabət/
verb
past tense: inhabited; past participle: inhabited
(of a person, animal, or group) live in or occupy (a place or environment).
"a bird that inhabits North America"
synonyms: live in/on, occupy; More
settle (in/on), people, populate, colonize;
>>51916324
what diference does that make in any possible way to any thing at all?
>>51918725
>posts bad quality "proofs" pics that look like sonething niggers would post on twitter
Why cant you link to actual sources. I mean you could have brought up the sulawesi paintings which are,real paleolithic paintings instead of some bullshit abbo scribbles
>>51918772
what a shitty argument lad, you're embarassing yourself
>>51918741
Cova Eirós.
>Los grupos nómadas que vivieron en Cova Eirós en el más antiguo de estos períodos -corresponde al llamado nivel arqueológico 4- parecen haber acampado en la gruta durante períodos más frecuentes y prolongados.
It's in spanish anyway. But I don't see the problem. Back then they used to move following the animals they hunted so they din't live all the time in the same place.
>>51918759
http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/prehistoric/chauvet-cave-paintings.htm
>>51918782
>>51918789
use google
>>51918759
Its literally in the first page of wikipedia on cave painting, and the documentary cave of forgotten dreams, where the lead scientist studying the cave says so.
Its also clear from the finds there.
*smacks lips*
>>51918877
>use google
top lel dumbshit
I've been to the chauvet cave myself, as well as in other prehistoric sites in france
They make it clear that there was no constant inhabitation of the inner caves for obvious reasons see >>51918641
Anyway, nice butthurt
>>51918877
Chauvet cave never had ongoing habitation, get over it.
https://books.google.fi/books?id=kSMmCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA220&lpg=PA220&dq=chauvet+cave+no+signs+of+habitation&source=bl&ots=re88qJ07Ga&sig=l2wO7HOyrJyXzhhZcFKocYh7X8s&hl=fi&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj94PGwh9HJAhWKDiwKHXHOCHEQ6AEIIDAD#v=onepage&q=chauvet%20cave%20no%20signs%20of%20habitation&f=false
>>51918385
My bad meant to say Summerians, Babylon and Egypt developed somewhere parallel in time.
But back to the claim that Greek culture origiates from Egypt. I find it more likely they were influenced by the Hittites which were an Indo-Europeans well i'm just guessing that cuse they were kinda close, but god knows what happened to those, even Fenicians are closer to the Greekish cultures.
>>51918877
But you were talking of abbo rock art though. Only the paintings at sulawesi are older than chauvet.
So to my original point, what culture did Egypt have that Europe didnt?
>>51919032
>So to my original point, what culture did Egypt have that Europe didnt?
Civilization
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/18/rock-australia-art
>>51918956
>Egypt. I find it more likely they were influenced by the Hittites which were an Indo-Europeans well i'm just guessing that cuse they were kinda close, but god knows what happened to those, even Fenicians are closer to the Greekish cultures.
only thing the hitshits influenced Egyptians with is using chariots.
>>51919146
>hitshits
Hittites were based, shhhhh
WE WUZ ZEUS AND SHIT NIGGA
MAH MAN ZEUS BE TAPPIN' DAT SWEET GREEK OLIVES, NAH MA SAYIN? HEHEHE
HE SON HERC BE LIKE SWOLE AND SHIT, BUT WUZ LIL CRAY CRAY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SHIT YO
Oh cheeky fellow, riping it out of the context, I didn't say they influenced Egypt but they could have influenced Greek.
>>51919146
Europe has older figurative, depictive and portraital art, older structures than egypt, older script than egypt, older metallurgy.
The only reason why egypt got so advanced was the fact that you can only live along the nile, that centralizes the population.
>>51919244
>pls halp, the sea peoples are being mean to us! ;_;
>*crumbles civilization*
Nigger status: Crushed with knowledge
>>51919429
>Europe has older figurative, depictive and portraital art, older structures than egypt, older script than egypt, older metallurgy.
Abos have older, better shitty figurines and paintings, you're wrong on the rest. And Greeks had been clustered for thousands of years.
>>51918603
Use common sense, caves are horrible places to live in, they're dark, wet and really cold. Even if you wanted to start a bonfire it would take a tremendous amount of effort to get it working.
>>51919716
In Altamira they lived in the cave but at the entrance. Many caves were comfy as fuck.
>>51919693
Im right on all accounts though.
Figurative: The Lion Man
Depiction of human: The Venus of Hohlstein
Portraital: Brno statue head
Scripture: Vinca
Metallurgy: Vinca
Structure: Barnenez
that there is a continuum of cultural development, communication and cross-influence from china to west europe and all around the mediterran, that all acient cultures and civilisations communicated, traded, fought and so influenced ech other in turns, and that obviously this happened in some chronology, is a known fact
known to all who actualy had history in school or ever read a fucking book
so then WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD ACTUALY ABOUT ?????
THIS IS ALL POL-TIER SHIT, EGIPT WAS ALLREADY A DEVELOPED CIVILISATION WHEN THE GREEKS CAME DOWN INTO THE BALKANS; WHO THE FUCK ELSE WOULD THEY HAVE LEADNED SHIT FROM; YOU RETARDS
i hate this site, i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it
>>51919429
The oldest art, structures, metalwork, and scripts can be found OUTSIDE that fake continent youre so horny about.
Stop being a europe obsess faggot you idiotic cunt.
>>51919693
Abbos dont have oldest anything by the way. The abbo rock art is barely thousand years old.
Get out of here with your realhistoryww tier knowledge
>>51919905
>Stop being a europe obsess faggot you idiotic cunt.
t. jamal weewaskingz
which civilization had the hottest girls
>>51919874
>Barnenez
Are you stupid? That ayy lmao shit in Turkey is way older.
>>51919940
>ealhistoryww tier knowledge
>claims european tribes has older civilization
>>>/out/
>>51919965
Do you want another mass shooting or waht?
Dont start frenchie. :-)
>>51919997
Not the anglo civilization.
>>51920048
wow nice comeback you faggot lmao
>>51920066
Ctfu!
Thanks cunt.
>>51916324
Egypt was white, sorry, niggers still dumb
>>51920104
I'm glad we agree that I won this argument
Which was expected considering you're a dumbass americunt
>>51919510
It's more rumoured something from the north east ate them up.
But the sea people really were mean >:(
Men are born with a penis, woman have boobs
therefore all people are copying blacks.
Fuck your argument op its literally too dumb for words.
>>51920144
I can understand Egypt, but including Portugal? that's a bit much m8
>>51920188
Expect a bomb in your local neighborhood. >:)
>>51920144
>caucasians
God, I hate that meme term.
>>51920214
Australians are all failed stillborn
>>51920238
expect a dick your whore mother you pathetic retard, thanks for the fun though
>Nigger going full retard
Can't gookmoot just ban Americans from posting on /int,/ already?
>>51916324
OP you did this thread a few hours ago. Are you actually this shocked that there was cultural transmission throughout the entire Mediterranean?
>>51920272
I've been looking for this pepe for so long, ever since I first saw it a few years back. To the point where I was almost thinking of remaking it myself.
Thanks anon.
>>51919693
>Ameridumbs
>>51920144
That map is retarded and incorrect.
>>51916324
>tfw african culture never progressed past 2680BC
>>51920048
>Do you want another mass shooting or waht?
You tell us, that's your specialty.
>>51920315
Anytime bitch.
Go to sleep knowing a stranger just fucked you over today.
>>51920016
Göbekli Tepe is not in Egypt. I said older than egypt.
>>51920493
Literally who the fuck are you?
>>51920046
I claimed older than egypt which is true
>>51920538
You loss the debate.
Go to sleep.
>>51916324
The thing is that Greeks were making very realistic statues out of marble while Egyptians were making same face sandstone giants, which is impressive, but doesn't look as good as what Greeks did, same with wall paintings.
>>51920591
I won. Egypt has nothing older than Europe.
Nigger status: told.
