Congratulations!! XX
good
>>51882318
FUGGGGGG IT'S NOT FAKE
I can't be the only one who thought the thumbnail was of her face in bukake
>>51882491
Uncultured swine!
>>51882318
Which edition is it ?
How many Syrians did Germany end up taking in?
1.5 mil?
They have on average four kids?
It's over
3,5 million now, a lot of their family members have arrived but the majority is still coming. Also in talks with Turkey to take in another 500.000. End of next year we're supposed to have 5.5 million Syrians
>>51882318
JUST
>>51882858
>End of next year we're supposed to have 5.5 million Syrians
>>51882542
No one looks particularly happy to see her
>>51882858
What? Last I heard we took in the 1 millionth refugee last week, and approximately half of them are Syrian.
>>51882318
Time sure does have a great record when it comes to the German chancellors they make person of the year. The last one they made person of the year was great for Germany and remembered positively in posterity.
>>51882542
>>51883218
are you talking shit about Hitler m8?
fuck her
>>51883281
It looks like Renzie was going for the CIA pose but was stopped mid act by Merkel's sudden arrival and tried to play it off nonchalantly
Commie whore.
>>51882763
not the dumbed down for retardeds one
>year hasn't ended
>person of the year
>>51882318
It's fucking real, holy shit.
>Ms Merkel had provided "steadfast moral leadership in a world where it is in short supply", editor Nancy Gibbs wrote.
>Ms Gibbs wrote of Mrs Merkel: "For asking more of her country than most politicians would dare, for standing firm against tyranny as well as expedience and for providing steadfast moral leadership in a world where it is in short supply, Angela Merkel is 'Time's Person of the Year'."
>Citing the refugee and Greek economic crises, along with the Paris terror attacks, Ms Gibbs said: "Each time Merkel stepped in. Germany would bail Greece out, on her strict terms. It would welcome refugees as casualties of radical Islamist savagery, not carriers of it."
She won because of >muh refugees, you can't make this shit up. Good job Time.
The refugees are just in Germany temporarily til the war is over... r-right?
The list of Time Person of the Year 2015:
1) Angela Merkel - German chancellor since the 2005 election, leader of the CDU
2) Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - head of the Islamic State militant group
3) Donald Trump - business magnate seeking Republican nomination as US presidential candidate
4) Black Lives Matter - activist group campaigning against violence towards black people, notably in the US
5) Hassan Rouhani - president of Iran since 2013
6) Travis Kalanick - US entrepreneur, founder of the Uber transportation network firm
7) Caitlyn Jenner - born Bruce Jenner, became 1976 Olympic decathlon champion, officially changed name and gender in 2015
Wow.
Tony Blair, George Bush, Tony Abbot, Angela Merkel
Have we just had some really bad leaders recently, or is most of history full of shittards?
>>51884166
>tries to blackmail other EU countries into following her selfdestructive immigration policies
>standing firm against tyranny
What a fucking joke
>>51884218
The war will only be over once the last German has perished.
>>51882318
>not based pope francis
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>51884218
>>51884265
>Caitlyn Jenner - born Bruce Jenner, became 1976 Olympic decathlon champion, officially changed name and gender in 2015
>>51884280
And nothing of value was lost.
>>51884268
These are only bad leaders if you somehow apply what you consider a good leader to be as the standard. I'm sure to those who are actually calling the shots all of these guys are at least half-decent at what they're doing. I think you just need to update your understanding of how the world works.
>>51884265
post yfw elon musk could have won this had he landed the rocekt back in july
>>51884265
This can't be real
Makes perfect sense. She had a massive influence on politics in the West this year. Much more so than Putin or any other European politician.
>>51882542
I'd be very interested to see what kind of security it takes to get that many world leaders into one room like that. That's one hell of a liability.
Also, Obama looks like he's got some choice words for her.
>>51884265
This is hilarious.
>>51884409
http://time.com/time-person-of-the-year-2015-runner-up-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi/
It's real.
>Chancellor of the Free World
>>51884265
>meme
>ISIS
>meme
>meme
>irrelevant
>irrelevant
>meme
bravo time
>>51884457
>kicking out germans from their homes to make room for refugees
>free
okay
>>51884265
>Black Lives Matter
>Travis Kalanick
>Caitlyn Jenner
And to a lesser extent
>Donald Trump
are the only ones who should not be on that list. Add in Putin and you have by far the most influential figures of this year.
>>51884265
Lord Jesus Christ, please return soon and destroy this broken world.
We finally did it, Angie, we finally became True Goys™
ABU BAKER AL BAGHDADI IS NUMBER 2???!!
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?
MEME MAGAZINE HOLY SHIT IM SO MAD
>>51884268
angela merkel sucks at solving European financial problems. Her system failed, and is still failing. Europe is more divided. The U.K. may run away, Denmark is running away, Poland wants no part of the Euro. Growth is stagnant or negative. She let's in millions of people who aren't even refugees, and threatens other countries who don't want to.
But I guess maybe you are German and feel some pride or something, so you feel you want to defend her. She hasn't been successful in her leadership role of Europe that she herself insists upon.
Note that Caitlyn Jenner is also on the list. This is just a PC media multicultural tumblr fest.
>>51884520
there are people existing right now who believe that bullshit.
/pol/ pls stop
>>51882318
So all it takes to get Time person of the year is to destroy Europe?
>>51884265
What bullshit.
>>51884569
It's not "best person of the year" it's more about who is most influential. And for better or worse, Merkel is extremely influential. I'd put Putin above her though
>>51882318
Repeating old mistakes?
>>51884265
>tfw based abu lost
>>51884739
THIS 2BH
H
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2
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Underage fucking cretins, the lot of you.
>>51884849
This too. He has been a lot more influential than Angela.
>>51884739
Time mainly justified Merkel being Person of the Year because of her leading role in the refugees crisis. Thing is, that crisis is only happening in the first place thanks to al-Bagdhadi.
And Putin not even being on the list is ridiculous. Uber? A transgender unknown? Black lives matter? Really?
>>51884265
Fucks sake...
This world needs help.
>>51884960
I'm not sure why it's so America-focused since the rest of the world doesn't give a shit about black lives matter or Bruce Jenner.
I don't agree with you about al-Bagdhadi, I believe there's a lot of factors that caused and contributed to the war
>>51884573
>Her system failed, and is still failing
What? The Eurozone has been around since 1998 and the EU it its current vestige since 1993. Blaming her for the design of the system is just wrong.
>>51884265
>black lives matter
>person of the year
>person
?
>>51885112
No, the EU in its current from only came around in the late 2000s with the Treaty of Lisbon which gave it much more powers than it had when it was formed in 93.
>>51885123
IIRC last year the winner were all the doctors fighting Ebola in Africa. A movement isn't much of a stretch.
>>51885112
I am talking about her system of forced austerity, thats why I said "her" system. and why the first sentence said "financial problems"
try to follow along
>>51884265
>Merkel is the winner
>BLM, Caitlyn Jenner on list
>Not one mention of Putin
>>51882318
2015 all the way.
>>51884739
you are right that is what they say it is supposed to be, but if you look at the rest of list, like black lives matter and Caitlyn Jenner, then I cant take them at their word
>>51884739
I can see that, but the list still sucks though, I've never heard of some on that list, and others are extremely irrelevant and US-centric.
>>51884265
>2) Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - head of the Islamic State militant group
>4) Black Lives Matter - activist group campaigning against violence towards black people, notably in the US
>7) Caitlyn Jenner - born Bruce Jenner, became 1976 Olympic decathlon champion, officially changed name and gender in 2015
LOOK UP
IT'S REAL
>>51885484
I want to get off the ride
>>51885484
I know it's real Ivan, that's why I wish to catch a stray bullet to the head every time I walk out of my home.
>you will never see the /pol/ meltdown to the 1975 winner
>>51885637
>Be American
>Can't even get shot
>>51885655
>all the candidates are memesters
>one of them is a murderer
>and another is a leader of ISIS
I'm surprised no one from /int/ was nomimated
>>51885442
itt people fighting this list as if this magazine should be taken seriously
>for standing firm against tyranny
when did this happen, exactly?
http://www.zeit.de/2015/47/integration-fluechtlinge-schule-bildung-herausforderung
>Two-thirds [of the invaders of Europe] can barely read and write
EUROPA
YES
>>51882318
Holy fucking hell.
>The person of the year is the final nail in the failure of the EU
>>51885847
Come on lad, you have to fake it sometimes to make it more interesting.
She looks like a leper, was that seriously the best image they had..?
>>51884550
congrats m8
i know it wasnt easy for you and u did it,
now maybe germany can move on with its life
"Fuck Time Magazine!"- Steve Jobs
That's my favourite quote from him.
>>51884265
1) Angela Merkel - German Chancellor, currently drowning Europe in economic migrants and refugees.
2) Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Is this a joke?
3) Donald Trump - Slightly deranged, twice divorced casino and real-estate magnate known primarily for being a rich asshole. Epitomizes the hollowness of the GOP.
4) BLM - Entitled, whiny black student group, refuses to own any and all problems within the black community in favor of laying blame at the feet of others. Despise free expression, personal responsibility, white people.
5) Hassan Rouhani - President of Iran. Maintains the repressive authoritarian theocracy of the Islamic Republic. Currently engaged in sectarian wars and terrorism across MENA.
6) Travis Kalanick - Founder of Uber. Because Uber is just that important to the media and press writing this list who need to get somewhere and can't wait for a taxi.
7) Caitlyn Jenner - Trans guy/girl. It's 2015!
>>51884265
The fuck
2010. Wasn't any better though.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2030948,00.html
>>51882318
I mean I can see why
She's directly responsible for the rise of the right in Europe and even has a hand in Trump's success
>>51885833
I mean.. it's most influential person of the year. Voting for them doesn't mean you endorse their beliefs.
Stalin won it in '42
>>51885979
If they were going to use a painting they should have used this one
>>51886057
what did he mean by this?
>oi senpai merkel, there is a lot of anti EU sentiment going on atm so what should we do to calm the situation
>JUST open the gates
>>51886097
how the hell is a tranny who killed someone influential?
2014 nominees:
-The Ferguson protesters
-The Ebola caregivers (Winner)
-Vladimir Putin
-Taylor Swift
-Jack Ma
-Tim Cook
-Masoud Barzani
-Roger Goodell
>>51882542
THAT NIGGER HAS A GUN!
>>51886185
What did Putin do wrong this year to not even be on the shortlist?
>>51882318
Merkel is my idol anyway so I don't really mind.
>>51886185
>-Taylor Swift
what the fuck does "person of the year" even mean?
how important they are or some shit?
>>51886234
t. Satan
This list is about influential people or organisations. I can understand Merkel or that ISIS guy, but Transsexual sportsman? Uber founder? Black Lives Matter?
Gimmie a break, nigga
>having his balls cut off
>greatest person of the year
>>51886185
Also 2013:
------2013------
-Bashar Assad, President of Syria
-Jeff Bezos, Amazon Founder
-Ted Cruz, Texas Senator
-Miley Cyrus, Singer
-Pope Francis, Leader of the Catholic Church
-Barack Obama, President of the United States
-Hassan Rouhani, President of Iran
-Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services
-Edward Snowden, N.S.A. Leaker
>>51886302
Satan can't even handle the all-powerful Merkel.
>>51886234
t.Abdual Barmasala
cant you fucking beta kek germsissies do something about the rotting traitor cunt literally leading a fucking MUSLIM INVASION in your country? fucking pussies with no national pride
>>51886334
iirc he still hasn't had anything chopped off.
Thus why I will continue calling him Bruce.
>>51886233
>>51886185
2015 was a huge year for Putin in the world, I lost my respect for Time magazine, just like I lost respect for the Nobel peace prize.
>>51886371
Holy shit those lists suck.
I guess I should be happy that they managed to nominate some important people.
>>51886371
thats actually not horrible, except for miley cyrus, what the fuck are they thinking?
>>51886298
Usually based on their influence on geopolitics, just look at the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year
'38 Hitler
'42 Stalin
'74 Faisal
'78 Xiaoping
'79 Khomeini
'85 Xiaoping
'07 Putin
>>51886437
>respect for Time magazine
cant you fucking beta kek germsissies do something about the rotting traitor cunt literally leading a fucking MUSLIM INVASION in your country? fucking pussies with no national pride
Isn't this decided by public poll? That would explain most of the list.
Remember when moot won?
The jews are at it again
cant you fucking beta kek germsissies do something about the rotting traitor cunt literally leading a fucking MUSLIM INVASION in your country? fucking pussies with no national pride
>>51884268
Minus immigration and Iraq Tony DINDU NUFFIN
>>51886202
Kek
>>51886530
>respect for Germany
>>51882318
>Person of the Year
>FUCKING MERKEL
I WANT OFF THIS RIDE
cant you fucking beta kek germsissies do something about the rotting traitor cunt literally leading a fucking MUSLIM INVASION in your country? fucking pussies with no national pride
>>51886371
>>51886185
utter garbage
who the fuck were the ferguson protesters? wtf are black lives matter?
taylor swift? miley cyrus ? do usamericans unironically believe these to be persons influential to the whole planet, that define a whole year?
i know usamericans have thier head really up their ass, but didnt know it was that bad
>>51886587
>>51886531
>>51886749
wew lads
>TFW you were person of the year in 2006 and this is really devaluing your honor
Fuck this shit
and i know why. Propaganda says: 'refugees welcome' - very good thing in society, it's so progressive.
Just wait until we elect some libkek around mid-late 2020s. EU, USA and Russia powers combined gonna be unstoppable.
You do guys realize this is just some stupid propaganda made by leftists, right?
>>51882763
>Mad Man
>>51886813
of course not, and black lives matter is very unpopular , so I suspect that their is a biased corruption in the way they choose who gets voted on. Caytlin Jenner and black lives matter would only be seen as influential to diversity activitists and tumblr type people, no one else would compare them to Putin, for example
>>51886946
Didn't some women return their gender related awards when Bruce was later awarded the same?
>>51886980
Not all muslims!
We bomb IS - pseudomuslims!
We're secular state, we support Muslims!
>>51886063
>the American student
>the gay American soldier
>Larry King
>Hillary
It's like they nominate anything with American in it when they don't know who to nominate
>>51884739
Nah, Merkel fucked up on the Ukraine crisis as well so she's a tad more influential. Of course that influence has been a turd sandwich.
BUILD WALL ON POLISH GERMAN BORDER NOW
yasss queen slayyyy
>>51884960
There's four different fronts on the Syrian Civil War, it's. It just Bashar vs ISIS.
>>51885097
Black lives matter isn't even a person and its lead by a bunch of tool sacks.
>>51886749
Has there ever been a country /int/ has hated more than it currently hates Germany? Even the Russia and Greek hate times weren't as intense as this. Only rival I can think of is India but that's more disgust than hate and irritation.
>>51886980
how do we save europe?
>>51887131
Someone shoop in a brazzers logo please
>>51886286
Note the musicians don't win. They probably do it to placate some whinny douche in their office.
>>51886542
Yes it was pretty amusing and Time even commented on it.
>>51884265
OK, the only good option is ISIS.
And that's sad
>>51887083
People vote on it. 4chan rigged it and got Moot on one year.
>>51884265
>americans
>in charge of anything
for fuck sake
>>51887759
nah that was ' World's Most Influential Person ' not "person of the year'
>>51882491
I though she was exposed to too much radiation, and sun.
>>51882763
God I hate faggots who let this shit happen. if you are so stupid that you bring down the content of time magazine, you should just kill yourself.
>>51882616
>Culture
>Finland
>>51887842
What's the point of having both?
cant you fucking beta kek germsissies do something about the rotting traitor cunt literally leading a fucking MUSLIM INVASION in your country? fucking pussies with no national pride
>>51882318
looks like a JUST picture †bh
>>51889362
>national pride
reported for hate crime
>>51889429
baka
>>51885330
I'm pretty sure that's because Putin has already won Time POTY before.
>>51882763
they're about as pathetically anti-American as /int/
>>51882763
>madman
>When asked why Merkel stood out above the short list for the iconic designation, Time Magazine's senior print editor responded, "Because it's 2015"
>>51892480
>mfw
NAZIS BTFO!
>>51891123
Sheikh al-Boom Dronestrike was the person of the year in 2008 and 2012
>>51885330
>>51884540
>Putin
Why should he be? For crashing his country's economy by playing cowboy and liar on the world stage?
What a powerful and intelligent and independent woman
>>51884732
Hitler had destroyed Europe in 1938?
>>51885289
>forced austerity
What force is there being exerted? Anybody who doesn't like the terms proposed can get his money elsewhere. It's an offer, not an ultimatum. Ruining one's own economy and then blaming the situation on foreigners doesn't make it true, not even if you use all the internet culture's tricks of styling yourself as a victim in order to avoid an argumentative discussion.
>>51882318
>>51884265
>Merkel opening the floodgates
>Be first
>20 somethings online and on Uni campuses sperging out
>Be Fourth
>Lop off your dick and be rich before you do it
>Seventh
Fuck off TIME.
>Millions of Syrians
>>51892352
How delusional are you?
They print what sells, if dumbed down shit sells then they sell it.
>>51894461
"forced" austerity because it tried to put a solution into a problem where it doesn't fit. Greece is not Germany that style of austerity was a terrible fit for Greece. It didn't work well. She was a main proponent of that austerity and worked out a lot of the details.
Greece of course is to blame more than anyone, but she fucked up big time too.
>>51895597
So no force exerted then. Thanks for clearing that up and acknowledging that you use intentionally misleading vocabulary.
>>51896522
>acknowledging that you use intentionally misleading vocabulary.
I did not do that, nor did I acknowledge that I did that. You are a liar who is getting emotional about Angela Merkel.
>>51882763
>>51896522
>not even if you use all the internet culture's tricks of styling yourself as a victim in order to avoid an argumentative discussion.
You also wrote this little bizarre thing too, didn't you? It fits with your accusing and getting emotional.
>>51897053
No you are a liar who claims force is being exerted when there isn't. You then just babble uncoherently to hide this inconvenient fact. Cheap troll tactics.
>>51897468
>Cheap troll tactics.
You're the one diverting from Germany's failure to secure Greece as a vassal state.
>>51896522
>angela merkel sucks at solving European financial problems.
Or do you think she is good at it?
>Europe is more divided. The U.K. may run away, Denmark is running away, Poland wants no part of the Euro.
Is the E.U. getting ever closer with her in a leadership role? Or more divided?
>Growth is stagnant or negative. She let's in millions of people who aren't even refugees, .
Do you argue these points?
Try not to accuse me of being trying to be a victim or using misleading vocabulary and just stick to the points.
hue hue hue
>>51897657
I asked you where there's force being exerted. You couldn't prove your claim and still act as if you were right. Cheap troll tactics.
>>51882763
this is beautiful
>>51897710
Don't divert from the topic. Is offering something equal to exerting force, yes or no?
>>51897468
The other response isn't me. I used the word 'force' and you objected to it, then I clarified what I meant. It's really very simple.
good job far-left
>>51897835
>then I clarified what I meant
Which just clarified that you used wrong vocabulary. Pick up a dictionary to learn what force means.
>>51897803
I already clarified what I meant by force. A forced solution can be something that doesn't fit, but you try to make it fit anyway. There need not be coercion. I called it forced austerity, and not Angela Merkel forcing Greece to agree to austerity. I already said that Greece is more to blame than anyone else.
>>51897716
How many hours did that take senpai?
>>51887441
>bush
>blair
>young, handsome, confident putin
those were easier times ;_;
>>51897962
Stop making up new meanings for well established words in order to push your agenda. That's cheap troll tactics.
>>51884265
>America
>>51897995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik
>>51898055
I already clarified it for you, if you try to force austerity as a fix where it doesn't belong, you get negative growth, lowered credit rating, higher interest rates on your debts, reduction of social benefits. I never said Angela Merkel forced Greece, I said "forced austerity"
Do you understand what is being forced?
>>51886061
>2) Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Is this a joke?
He's kind of fucking up the middle east, and he's the reason for the refugees, he might as well be number 1 spot rather than merkel.
Uber guy has a large impact too since so many people are angry at him and his company's success.
>>51898340
I already told you there is no force being exerted when an offer is made. An offer can be accepted or rejected. It's that simple. Hence, you're using the word force in a context where it doesn't belong.
>>51898340
you cant claim you have forced austerity without the forced part, how thick are you. German is right. you keep shifting to the austerity part even though that's not debated, the debated part is forced
F O R C E D
>Do you understand what is being forced?
The question wasnt what is being forced, but IS it being forced
>>51898458
>>51898463
Have you ever heard of a forced solution?
>>51898458
I am not talking about the offer, I am talking about the strategy. Austerity was forced as a solution where it didn't fit. If it was the right solution, it wouldn't need to be forced. It's like putting a puzzle piece where it doesn't belong. You force it in, but it doesn't fit. So then you try another one.
Austerity does not fit, yet it was forced onto the problem, and it did not work. The pressure of the force went into unemployment, cuts in pensions, etc, even long after the problem was supposed to solved, it was forced again.
>angela merkel sucks at solving European financial problems.
Or do you think she is good at it?
>Europe is more divided. The U.K. may run away, Denmark is running away, Poland wants no part of the Euro.
Is the E.U. getting ever closer with her in a leadership role? Or more divided?
>Growth is stagnant or negative. She let's in millions of people who aren't even refugees, .
Do you argue these points?
Or do you guys want to argue about my use of the word "force"
Angela Merkel sucks btw
You guys realize that person of the year is meant to be the most influential person in the world for that year not the *best* person right? You could at least make a strong case for Merkel with her being at the centre of many very important events this year.
>>51898668
If the Greeks don't like the offer they don't need to accept it. Nobody's forcing them. They have several options. They could e.g. get their money instead from the free markets. There's no austeritiy attached to it. Only high interest rates. Another alternative would be that they only spend as much as they earn. The Greeks don't want these two options. They prefer the low interest money with austerity attached to it. Their CHOICE. No force. The fact that the offer from the other EZ members (not Germany alone btw) is their best option doesn't make it a forced solution. In fact it makes it an act of solidarity.
>>51884265
yall niggas need jesus
>>51899054
either you are incapable of, or choose not to understand
Either way Merkel and her forced austerity sucks balls
>>51899301
Logic & arguments 1 - 0 cheap troll tactics
>>51899301
All you had to do is be mildly reasonable and remove "forced" from your sentence in order for it to make sense and accurately convey what you were trying to argue.
And you'll say I don't understand. I do understand. You're forcing the alternate meaning, that by saying forced you don't mean literally enforced upon others but "conducted even though it is not a good fit for the situation". It's stupid of you and it doesn't work in your context.
Again, all you had to do was acknowledge that the word "forced" was misused and unnecessary and omit it, but you are just too thickheaded to do so. I'm off, bye.
>>51882318
To be fair, TIme's "Person of the Year" is often not someone who made a positive change. It's more of an award for the biggest cultural splash. Looking at the list of people, ranging from Trump to Jenner, I can't believe that this is a vindication of her immigration policy. Rather, it is noting that her policy made major ripples in the EU and she was the leader that caused the biggest power change in the world.
see here >>51897835 where I said the other response isn't me.
>The other response isn't me
I never said "cheap troll tactics", but I am guessing that you think I did because you've said it twice now.
No arguments about Merkel, just arguments based on your lack of understanding of my use of the word 'force'.
Does anyone want to argue about Merkel?
>>51899823
>I never said "cheap troll tactics"
I did. Because using a word in a context where it doesn't belong in order to push one's agenda or convey a meaning that doesn't fit the facts is exactly that.
>>51882542
Hollande is such a fat fuck :DD
>>51882542
>>51900168
It belongs, you just can't admit that it belongs. It is forcing a strategy onto a problem where it doesn't fit, and has failed for years. Another strategy is better instead of trying to force this one to work.
I actually think that you do understand, but have been getting emotional and somehow need to feel that you aren't losing an argument on the internet. Because it's really very simple.
Twenty years from now, do you think people will see Merkel as a failure almost on par with some Communist/Fascist dictators, a visionary, or just a disappointment?
>>51899790
Why is your English so good? Can I speak Serbo-Croatian as well as you speak English?
>>51900459
As you just repeat what you already said, apparently playacting as if the counterarguments were never written down, I'll just link to my answer that debunks what you just said: >>51899054
>>51882318
FUCK
>>51900275
underrated post
>>51900646
I am not talking about the offer, I am talking about the strategy. I already said the Greeks are even more to blame. The strategy is being forced, not the Greeks. How many times have I repeated that it is the strategy?
Not only does your post not debunk my point, it doesn't even address it.
As an American citizen looking to relocate for some easy living, what are the steps I'd need to take to become a desperate refugee seeking a new life in Germany or Sweden?
>>51900892
I am talking about the vocabulary chosen to describe something, which so clearly doesn't fit the circumstances it's hilarious that somebody would try to defend this choice of words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
>>51901101
It fits but you wont admit it ha.
>>51901346
I've made my point clear enough. Another poster has confirmed this. I take back that it's hilarious that somebody would try to defend this totally inadequate choice of words. It's not hilarious, it follows an agenda. As I said it's cheap troll tactics.
>>51901501
You think having someone back you up on 4chan is somehow a standard of rightness? That's plain silly.
>>51882491
fitting
>>51901594
He explained how the position you take is wrong. It's no accident that you ignore his reasoning, too.
>>51882318
well she is certainly good for america
>>51901067
>be brown
>come from backwards violent culture
>don't know how to speak German or Swedish
>don't know how to read in your own language
>be religious lunatic
>>51882763
I love how people see this and believe that we dont get the real version
the one on the left intentionally doesnt discuss anything of real consequence and is made for doctors offices and waiting rooms to prevent the business from showing any kind of bias for carrying that particular magazine. You wont find the censored version at a news stand and im almost positive that you need a special subscription to receive it
t.guy who is subscribed to TIME
>>51901703
I didn't ignore anything it. But you didn't address my use of the word force, and substituted it in your mind with YOUR use of the word force, along with some paranoid idea that I have an agenda that I score big points with by using the word force on 4chan.
The strategy was forced on the problem where this strategy doesn't fit as a solution.
Your answer is
>But the Greeks weren't forced into agreeing
yes, I say, true, but I never said they were, I said the strategy of austerity was being repeatedly forced when another strategy would be better. You cant force austerity to work if it isn't the right solution.
And then we repeat the same thing over and over
So how about now you address my use of the word force.
Let me start by asking you how well you think the strategy has worked all these years?
>>51901998
Yuropoors are ignorant
>>51902006
>I never said the Greeks were forced. I just said they were forced.
This is your reasoning.
Choosing isn't being forced. Offering an option isn't forcing a strategy. The choice of the words force is completely inadequate because it conveys a meaning that just doesn't belong there. You can rephrase it all you want. As long as the word force is in there, you're wrong, because there's no force involved.
>>51902252
It can have more than one meaning, which is why I clarified immediately what I meant when you brought it up.
Words and phrases can be taken more than one way. Just because one way is wrong, doesn't mean they all are.
>>51902393
None of what you offered made sense with the words chosen, because it always conveys the meaning of "voilence, compulsion, or constraint exerted upon or against a person or thing". Which is simply not true. The facts are that there are options, there are offers. There is no force involved. A "forced strategy" means nothing different than "forcing the strategy on the victim". That's simply not the case. I've explained this exhaustively.
>>51897717
>I asked you where there's force being exerted.
Well Germany did force a vote upon Greeks about several different debt relief packages.
>>51902673
>A "forced strategy" means nothing different than "forcing the strategy on the victim".
Only to you, what it meant to me when I wrote, and I indeed clarified it immediately to remove all other meanings, was the they are trying to force austerity to solve the problem, when it didn't work, then they tried more, and it didn't work, they kept trying to force it to work.
It's really very simple, and if you are so sensitive that you can't bear someone saying a phrase that has a double meaning, when one of the meanings looks like Germany is forcing Greece, even when the person freely and immediately clarifies that that was not what was meant, then you have real sensitivity issues about your country.
Do you agree that phrases can have more than one meaning?
Do you agree that people can force a solution onto problems in thier life that just aren't working, but they try to force it anyway?
Do you think it's wrong to use phrases that have double meanings when your country is involved, even if the person clarifies afterwords?
>>51902735
No it didn't. The Greek government chose to have a vote about it. It could have acted without that vote and just do without legitimizing every single step of executing its executive powers given by the people. In fact it did so on many occasions. But to have a vote on that was a CHOICE of the Greek government, for fairly cheap party politics and propaganda reasons btw.
The German government can exert no force upon the Greek government. Just read the Greek constitution. You will find no reference to the German government there. Hence, everything the Greek government does is its own choice.
>>51902933
You're trying to explain the choice of the word force with another group of words which again includes the word force. Which means you're not explaining anything. You're just acting as if you said something different when in fact you didn't. You just rephrased the same thing. And it means the same thing. A thing which has no semblance to the facts of reality.
>>51903398
>Do you agree that people can force a solution onto problems in their life that just aren't working, but they try to force it anyway?
Try answering this one, it will help you understand.
Dont ignore it, actually answer it.
>>51903505
Just explain what you mean without using the word force. If you can. Maybe you don't like how much tames it sounds then. Maybe that's why you insist to use a word unsuitable to describe the situation. What do you really mean by "forcing a strategy" and "forcing austerity"? Explain it without using the same word in the explanation. Do you just mean repeating similar offers over again? If so, you must see how intentionally misleading the choice of words is.
>>51901763
>maximum of 500,000 refugees, who will mostly return home after the war
>let's say ALL of them stay!
>Europe has 742.452.000 people
>500000/742452000*100=0,06
Omg she raised the population with 0,06 percent!!!!! Definitely end of le europe xD
>>51903967
>500,000
>return home
>europe has
I can't even
>>51903967
>maximum of 500,000 refugees
>maximum of 500,000 refugees
>500,000
>500,000
Do you even know how to read a newspaper?
>>51903967
there were 577,000 refugees officially registered as of september. Its expected that the amount residing unregistered is in the 6 figure mark. There are far more than the 500k amount that you claim
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-shows-signs-of-strain-from-mass-of-refugees-a-1058237.html
>>51903800
>>51903800
Why ignore all my questions, and then expect me to answer yours?
But because I am a sport I will answer yours.
You try a solution to a problem, and it doesn't work, you try it again and again, after some time you are putting a lot of drive and energy into one solution, trying to use extra effort and push your way into making the solution work, even though its not a good fit for the problem, and you are making unnecessary sacrifices along the way to try to make it work through effort and pushing.
Force does not always imply someone being dominated, it is an application of concentrated energy/ momentum. If you can think of it in physics terms, you are almost there.
I don't know why you are stuck on domination and coercion, when I am clearly not talking about that at all, which I clarified a long, long time ago
"forced laughter"
>>51904148
>you try it again and again
So that's what you mean then: repeating something. That's not forcing something. Forcing something means to override the will of the subject through power, like in physics when the piano you're carrying forces you on your knees even though you don't want to. But the power of gravity is greater than your will. Yet, that's not the case here as the subject (Greece) has choice, as I already explained.
If you mean repeating you should just say repeating.
>>51904454
Forget repeating, it is trying to make something work through sheer effort, when it's not working
"Forced laughter" is a good example, you can only do it once.
Forcing a solution (like austerity) onto a problem when it's not working just by doing it harder and with more effort is another good example
Also force in physics does not have to involve will.
It is becoming obvious that you are deliberately not understanding, because it is really simple
Im out of here, good night.
>>51887402
I say you kick germans ass once again. maybe lie that they're killing the migrants in the camps like you lied about the jews last time.
>>51903967
>who will mostly return home after the war
Germany,
If I take off your borders, will you die?
>>51882318
Nah that can't be tr-
Oh God it is.
>>51882763
>ameritads
>>51884265
>born Bruce Jenner, became 1976 Olympic decathlon champion, officially changed name and gender in 2015
So brave.
>>51904793
>trying to make something work through sheer effort, when it's not working
That doesn't describe the situation either. It's not Germany or Merkel trying to make something work. It's the EZ members setting terms for an offer. And it's Greece that has to put up the effort to meet the terms. Where's the effort on the side of the other EZ members? Writing proposals? Printing money?
>"Forced laughter" is a good example, you can only do it once.
It's not as it doesn't involve a relationship between different subjects as the case at hand does. Forced laughter means a person chooses to make sounds that imitate real laughter as reaction to a situation which isn't really funny but leaves the person speechless. This has no analogy to "forcing austerity". What should that mean with this in mind?
>Also force in physics does not have to involve will.
Greeks do have will. That's the point why the word force is unsuitable here. Greeks aren't inanimate objects, even though they're trying to paint he picture that they're treated as if.
Your analogies and explanations don't support your case. The question isn't whether SOMETHING exists that can be described with the meanings you offered by the words you chose. The question is whether these alternative explanations apply to the situation of Germany/Merkel/EZ-members and Greece. Only then would the choice of words be appropriate.
