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That's a civil engineering marvel.
>>51652687
looks like it was made in simcity
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surburban life is utter shit and terrible for the country
but it's an impressive logistical achievement. taming nature is cool.
>>51652687
I have to admit
it's quite impressive they built this in the middle of the desert
>>51652711
>2 story houses made of wood
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>>51652760
it's against the human nature
now i understand why real estate can be cheap sometimes
>>51652713
That's what American civil engineers are trained on.
>>51652780
impressive, but it also looks really stupid. no wonder they are gonna steal all our water :(
>>51652760
It's not an achievement because it's still built beyond the general populace's realistically affordable standards when you include aspects like resource usage. Also barely anything in the US isn't created on a loan which in turn is financed by a chain of loans with every member hoping to make a profit on interest.
>>51652687
nothing wrong with this desu
>>51652687
>>51652760
>Greedy property developers terraform the desert into WHAT LOOKS LIKE desirable real-estate
>forget to tell good goy consumers that the area will return to being a desert within half a century because its not at all feasible to maintain a growing community on that small a water table
>developers make bank, the US is left with a growing ecological disaster in the south west
Just another day in the Free Market™
>>51652831
because it's being built from scratch on nothing
you think if all of a sudden germany found a new swath of land you'd build some themepark city to pretend it's been around for 800 years? or would you make a planned city on a grid.
thought you faggots were stereotyped to be efficient
>>51652971
>>51652971
>the area will return to being a desert within half a century because its not at all feasible to maintain a growing community on that small a water table
nah, these communities aren't new and we've been doing this since the 50s. 100 years ago las vegas didn't even exist.
>>51652971
>>51653026
you think this is new?
>>51653080
>euros
>think
kek they can only process "EU #1". any other thought is haram to them
>>51652760
>yfw traffic for the entire tract of an estimated 200 households, if not 250, has to flow through these two choke points
Statistically speaking that's roughly 421 cars assuming the national average of 2.6 people per household and 810 cars per 1000 people. Have you still learned absolutely nothing about road planning and driving distances?
>>51653080
If it's younger than 500 years, it doesn't really matter. What point are you trying to make?
>>51652992
But those aren't grids, they're mazes of cul de sacs. There's the opposite of efficiency solely to pander to subjective impressions of wealth and safety.
>>51653060
las vegas would be an exception since it makes a lot of money to maintain a rich water supply.
>>51653060
And since 50s you've been draining the groundwater reserves that will eventually run out. After that southwest will return to dustbowl.
>>51653158
no, it's more like they take a grain of truth and build it up into a bullshit statement >>51652933
>>51652971
and everyone else reads it and just agrees with it because that's what they want to hear >>51653026
>>51653287
Is the drought merely a meme? I apologize if that is the case.
>>51653060
>>51653287
Bullshit statements are necessary on the internet because mere grains of truth won't catch anyone's attention.
>>51652933
What isn't crreated on loan? Some physicists even think that entire universe was created by borrowing one big bang worth of energy from nothingness.
>>51653216
>If it's younger than 500 years, it doesn't really matter
this is the best argument you can come up with, because you have no idea what you're talking about
>>51653263
don't move the goalposts because it isn't the most efficient construction possible
>>51653278
https://top5ofanything.com/list/575a978e/Countries-with-the-Most-Fresh-Water
luckily they aren't independent countries
>>51652971
> >forget to tell good goy consumers that the area will return to being a desert within half a century because its not at all feasible to maintain a growing community on that small a water table
Ever heard of Las Vegas or Hollywood and Los Angeles in general? Or like the whole left side of the south?
>>51653422
>https://top5ofanything.com/list/575a978e/Countries-with-the-Most-Fresh-Water
You're a retard.
>>51652760
>stacked up this close together
I thought you liked lots of humongous space and not being able to peek from one window inside another in the neighbour's house?
>>51653352
>9m
>m
>not 12 elbows 3 sticklengths 4 3/7 yarns
Clearly this is a fake
>>51653346
it's a meme in that it's been exaggerated to a crazy extent, especially in this thread
>>51653519
Exaggeration on 4chan? Other cunts banting eachother on behalf of half-truths? I don't believe it.
>>51653278
They can just build giant nuclear powered desalination plants on the coast and massive water pipes to pump the water there.
>>51653628
most of these posts haven't been banter
ppl aren't trying to pretend that butter coffee is some popular phenominon or saying >a fucking leaf
>>51653657
>giant nuclear powered desalination plants
im pretty sure those things aren't even close to being cost efficient yet
>>51653657
Massive desalination is a disastrous for ecosystem and cost prohibitive.
>>51653971
There's so much ocean water, raising the average salinity by 0.00001% won't do shit desu.
Besides, it sooner or later flows back anyway
Southwest Internet Defense Force in full swing today
>>51652760
>>51652687
>let's build an community in the dry areas of our nation it's not like we lack and will consume water like crazy or anything
Don't get why the planners allow this stuff.
>>51654113
>There's so much ocean water, raising the average salinity by 0.00001% won't do shit desu.
In the entire ocean, yes.
In the zone nearby the desalination center, which have to cope with the brine, it can be disastrous.
>>51652992
There's actually nothing stopping you degenerates from building normal smart growth suburbs. Suburban sprawl is cultural obesity
>>51653840
If you want cost efficiency, it exist a cheap way to distillate water if you live in a country with a lot of sun.
>>51654347
nigger, i live on the east coast
>>51654388
These sprawl pics aren't even close to salt water, they're usually smack-dab in the middle of Arizona or Nevada
>>51652728
>spics and blacks stay poor
Thats actually a good thing
>>51652760
How is suburban life bad? I want to raise my child in a surburban area.
>>51653209
Fuck, I was wondering where all of these local roads connect to the next order of communication network.
Maintaining 3-4 storey apartament blocks would have been more feasible, shame that America has this one family = one plot of land fetish going on.
>>51653158
>euro
>a canadian made the post
oh my dears usa posters
>>51654747
it's not, i could post picks of my neighborhood where i grew up biking distance from the city, with very large unique houses, large plots of land and nice foliage and people would say they would rather live in a commieblock cause this board is fucking retarded
>>51654747
all of the >american suburbs pictures that get posted on here are specific developments in a specific area of the country
>ywn live in a comfy desert
>>51652687
They could have at least built a commercial centre in the middle.
>>51654747
Boring as shit after you turn 12, other than that I guess it's pretty good.
Is it close to other neighbourhoods? i would like to zoom out that pic
>>51655254
Looks nice but way out of my price range. feels bad being poor.
>>51654747
The only culture you can experience is on the internet, which is fine for nerdy introverts, but extroverts will grow up starved and shallow
Houses are cheap and built to be temporary by teams of Mexicans and ex-cons, Most homes are a combination of cheap drywall and a thin layer of vinyl for outside covering
You waste a ton of money on lawn care and energy inefficiency, with is pure waste. If you lived in an efficient home you could save that money for disposable income
Also a lot of idiots buy houses a 3 hour commute from work. But that's their dumb decision, not the house's fault
>>51655254
>and people would say they would rather live in a commieblock cause this board is fucking retarded
Up to 4 storeys for a tenement isn't a home of a commieblock tier and this has been tested over entire decades.
Average-intensive housing is the equilibrium between maintaining habitable conditions and cost.
Basically, if you live in a single house then:
-you pay far more for heating your spaces;
-you pay more for purchasing such a home. If it is cheap, then it is likely in bumfuck nowhere with 2 hours worth of commute time.
-you have to take care of most amenities that such a house requires, all on top of inflated mortgage.
Additionally, living in a typical widespread housing subdivision guarantees that you will waste more time on travelling. If your car breaks down, then you are less self-sufficient than a cripple on a wheelchair as you cannot buy any fucking food or water in your vicinity.
>>51652687
can any american point out where the best real estate is on a plot like that?
Too far to the sides and coyotes might take your kid, too far into the middle and you are fucked if there's an emergency.
>>51655854
Coyotes wouldn't do that. They tend to be pretty scared of humans in general, and often subdivisions like this will have walled back yards.
As for the most desirable houses, probably any on the main central road would be best. Far enough from the edges not to hear freeway traffic.
>>51655824
Wasting 50% of your disposable income and time is the brice of freedoms :DD
(thats the honest defense of it)
>>51655757
That doesn't look bad.
>>51655757
That is fucking scary and awesome at the same time.
It is like Borg assimilation with a different graphic pattern to it.
>>51656054
In all seriousness though, I doubt any of those "desert suburb" houses cost too much in heating. There are pros and cons and I think the pros far outweigh the cons. I would love to live in one of those desu.
>>51654934
>Europoor bitching about people owning land
Muh goodness
>>51656006
The traffic noise part makes sense.
>>51655824
if i were lower middle class i would live in an apartment, but there's a point where paying extra for living in a detached house becomes desirable. in the US that salary range comes a lot sooner than in Europe
all of your points that you're making fall in the income/pricerange where i would personally rather live in an apartment
>>51656247
I live in one. The heating isn't an issue here at all.
Air Conditioning in the summer gets crazy expensive though. I usually pay about 400 a month May-October, then it goes down to about 40 a month once winter arrives.
>>51656247
More like air conditioning
A lot of new people in the southwest are elderly baby boomers who go there fro the stable, dry heat
i'm aspiring towards a detached standalone house because I need room for my carpentry and machining tools, and a tidy spot for a workshop.
but I wouldnt live in a subdivision like that anyway. I'm more interested in a house in a small new england city, or just outside the city with enough land for some greenhouses
apartments suck because theres no room to build stuff or fix stuff. Its hard to work on your car in a parking lot, or build cabinets in a studio apartment
>>51657166
> I'm more interested in a house in a small new england city
Small cities in New England tend to be old as fuck, and the houses are old and in poor condition as a consequence. But the cities themselves are quite beautiful.
>>51657772
I use to live in the other side of the river to this, and short distance from Mystic.
>>51652971
> Greedy developers cheat the dumb consumers
As if suburbanization was not caused by white middle classes endless desire to escape conflict and acquire space.
>>51652687
where's the bus stop and the bike lanes?
how is everyone going to get to the local health center, library, and school?
>>51656456
And that even considering your electricity is 1/4 to 1/3 of our price? Damn, you must be cooling down 300m^2 of floor space to 15°C when it's 50 outside, with shitty insulation on top of that.
If I had an AC, I'd only use it for the sleeping room to keep it below 20
>>51658353
They use a car for everything
>>51652687
Looks pretty comfy. What do you object to? Living in houses?
>>51654747
When you're a mile from your friend, and can't drive, there's nothing to do besides drugs and sex, both of which are huge problems in suburbs nowadays. Besides that, you have the disadvantages of urban living (people being everywhere) with the disadvantages of rural living (having to drive to get anywhere), and most have a shitty commute because they were all built up on one highway.
Note that this isn't the case for all of them. I'd gladly live in Westchester or Silver Spring, but it's like that for a sizeable majority.
>>51652687
fucking nuke that shit
>>51653209
Those open via remote though.
the finnish dream
>>51658887
>When you're a mile from your friend
...then you just walk?
I'm a villager, best friend lives some 600m away, and even as kids this was like nothing
Also for example the local kindergarten and elementary school were almost 1km away and 55m lower in altitude, yet I walked to/from there everyday starting at age 3 or 4
I don't consider myself /fit/ even in the slightest though, but are you all this lazy?
>>51659137
American parents are overprotective as fuck, so they'll drive you everywhere until you hit 12, so it's not that people can't walk that, it's just that it's something they don't normally do. Also, if it involves going on the main road, frequently you won't want too, because they won't have sidewalks, and despite walking on the grass people will still honk at you telling you to get out of the road. If you get to an intersection with two main roads, it's essentially impossible to cross because there's no crosswalks or allotted walking times.
when the world is at 10 billion such things would not be so hated
>>51658887
When I was a kid my school journey which I biked or walked alone was 2 miles. You really are lazy as fuck.
>>51652687
That neighborhood actually looks cozy as fuck tbqh family
>>51657772
>>51657918
I've got family in this area, near RI.
>>51659137
>>51659374
To add, you can get in legal trouble for doing that, and possibly your kids taken away.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/13/parents-investigated-letting-children-walk-alone/25700823/
>>51659137
a good amount of american towns and cities arent really built around walking
source: live in houston
>>51659481
LAND OF THE FREE
HOME OF THE BRAVE
>>51652687
looks like the last sim city
>>51659374
>>51659481
>>51659485
Well yeah, things are changing here too, actually makes me cringe seeing parents drive 7th/8th graders to school these days. But then again we were >99% natives + a few Euro immigrants here back then, with the worst crimes being some eggs stolen from farmers, so there's that
>>51659443
tbqh living like this is a public health distaster
>>51659561
They ended up being cleared, but a mother in Miami who let their 7 year old walk to the park less than half a mile away with a cell phone went to jail. Of course, there are plenty more cases, but I'm not going to go into all of them.
>>51659648
It's not even an issue of crime. Nobody kidnaps kids or rapes them or mugs them in the suburbs, that's why they moved there. They're paranoid fucks who are overprotective and shelter their child from the real world, and in the process, end up destroying them, because they'll rebel purely out of spite, hence why you see all those party sluts in college fucking 5 guys a day, not to mention the countless drugs they thought they'd avoid by moving to the suburbs, even though in the city, you actually run a risk of getting them, so most good kids don't, while in the suburbs they're so easy to get, there's nothing stopping anybody. Sorry, I'm ranting, I'm just pissed off at the whole thing.
>>51659389
When the world is at 10 billion those places will be out of water
>>51659137
The US doesn't have an overweight rate of 70% for nothing
>>51659726
It's an environmental, cultural and health disaster tbqqh
Plus its not comfy for any white person, the heatenings are incredibly bad, July averages 41 degree highs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix,_Arizona#Climate
>>51657772
i grew up in new england,
but anyway being a fairly experienced carpenter should help with the old house problem
>>51657772
lots of new england cities kinda suck. they are small and just generally shitty like springfield. There's a big gap between boston and any other new england city
![429162148[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uiX782f.jpg "429162148[1].jpg")
>>51659919
>70%
>>51660978
I was off by 1 :DDD
>Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are overweight, including obesity: 69.0% (2011-2012)
>>51661317
>Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are obese: 35.1% (2011-2012)
>every third is obese
>obese, not just overweight
ITT: Europeans confused about how aqueducts work.
>>51652780
>that post
>that flag
>tfw live in a comfy village surrounded by countryside
Even our housing estates aren't fucking giant like yours, and the big ones have a community centre area with shops etc. Why are these American ones just thousands of houses and nothing else, where are the shops?
>>51664445
On the main streets
>>51664445
I don't want to live near shops. I don't want blue collar workers to have any reason to go near my house (unless they are cleaning it).
>>51664619
>americans can't walk anywhere
>spend half their lives on a car
>wonder why they're fat
>>51664445
The shop is walmart, 20 minutes drive or scooter away :DD
>>51664619
See >>51653509
You have so much space, so no reason to cramp shit up like that. Even in my very overpopulated Upper Rhine area (pop density of my rural area is about 400/km^2), our house is ~120m^2 floor space x 3 floors, sitting in a ~1200m^2 property
>>51664333
I don't get it
>>51664767
>You have so much space, so no reason to cramp shit up like that
That place is cramped because they are building it on top of the water.
>>51664827
Maybe cause you live mostly in the desert too?
>>51652687
>>51652760
>>51655757
I'd kill myself
post more. it's retarded but also interesting at the same time
>>51664827
Israel does the same (builds in the dessert). You guys use more desalination though. We mostly use aqueducts and recycling of toilet water into tap water.
>driving through the labyrinth past 5000 houses to get to the local supermarket
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>>51664866
>those lawns
Shamefur dispray, don't you have cheap water to irrigate them? But then again even mine looked like shit in this year's summer drought, but hey, stuff like water, electricity, gas... is taxed to hell and back here
>>51664700
Problem?
>>51665015
Most of those people plant species of grass that evolved in places like Ireland and Scotland, then try to make it grow in the middle of a desert wasteland
The results are either a failure to keep the lawn alive, or an environmental disaster trying to keep them green
its like a commieblock but in "i-its totally not a commieblock" disguise
>>51666205
Suburbs wouldn't be so appealing if dense urban areas in the US weren't so overrun with black and latino crime.
