Is it just me, or does America always seem a bit... fake?
Their news seems overly peppy, they are all excited about violence but won't show blood on TV or swear. It's like they're all pretending their world is perfect and just like a movie.
>>51583191
Everyone is putting on an act 24/7. I honestly feel like everyone is made of plastic or something, I have no idea what anyone is thinking or feeling because everyone is playing some game and I don't know the rules.
>>51583191
Its true.
I can't wait to get out of her and live a real life.
Switzerland or Bust.
>>51583282
>out of her
Out of here*
>>51583191
Is America worse than here then? I moved from England and everybody here feels exactly as you described compared to England.
Yup, I came from Cuba (no, not on some raft) and I discovered pretty quickly, even at the age of six, that this was all a shit-show.
I was a lot happier living in a communist third world shithole.
In most of America, yes. In the non-pleb parts, no.
Pic related is where people won't bother being nice to you unless they actually have a reason to like you. The best you can hope for in most cases is a bare minimum of courtesy bordering on quiet "prove to me that you're not an asshole" contempt. The way it should be tbqh
>>51583191
>Their news seems overly peppy, they are all excited about violence but won't show blood on TV or swear
Maybe it's because the news is supposed to be in a more formal setting, and shouldn't have people swearing and showing gore like niggers on liveleak.
COME TO STRAYA CUNTS
>>51583323
Cubans can't post dank memes on 4chan though
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZZqDJXOVg
Americans constantly pretend to be super positive nowadays.
It's the youth culture: you put on a happy face, and then you go home and write incredibly vitriolic things on Social Media.
I miss the 90s when everyone wore their frustration on their sleeves.
>>51583309
Way worse in this respect.
Canadians are actually incredibly passive aggressive. that's their thing.
>>51583309
Canadians are basically indistinguishable from Americans.
>>51583282
Muh gun laws
>>51583416
>Canadians are actually incredibly passive aggressive. that's their thing.
can confirm
>>51583410
I wish I could leave, m8. But I don't know where to go t b h, familia.
it's just that people there are so individualistic to the point they need to prove they are happy to others to show their superiority, meanwhile there are africans that have nothing and strive for their family and friends, and this struggle to make things better give them happiness in seeing the others happy. It's just cultural 2bh, America and in general anglos are too much individualistic and tend to forget that living a happy life in society implies in the happiness of the society you live in instead of just your own happiness
>>51583433
Thats not the main point.
Its a beautiful country and people leave you alone.
>>51583447
The limited amount of unpatriotic Americans seem to flock to Canada
>>51583492
I've been to Canada. It's just America 2.0
>>51583492
Americans expressing open dissatisfaction and dissent are the true patriots.
Complacent LUV IT OR YEWKINGITOUT """"""""patriots""""""" have done more harm to this country and her ideals than any communist has.
>>51583191
>>51583241
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AHCvK9pG4Zc
PLASTIC PEOPLEEEEEEE!!
nah, but America is fake as fuck. The political correctness and mass media culture is insincere.
>>51583492
Then get upset when they realize only Canadian citizens get free healthcare.
>>51583526
The ones who leave aren't Patriots.
The ones who criticize and try to improve it are patriots.
>>51583191
I think so too.
>>51583191
Fellow British expat here, OP. Moved to America 4 years ago. Ask me anything.
>>51583616
>Japan
>The nation whose entire culture is based on suppressing your feelings
>>51583282
Enjoy getting fucked by roman Polanski on a pile of Nazi gold.
>>51583526
There's nothing patriotic about leaving your country you moron
There's nothing patriotic about hating your country just because you recognize that it has problems either
>>51583544
TAKE YO' TV TUBE AND EAT IT
COS BABY I DON'T NEED IT
AND ALL THAT PHONY STUFF ON SPORTS
AND ALL THE UNCONFIRMED REPORTS
Y'KNOW I WATCHED THAT ROTTEN BOX
UNTIL MY HEAD BEGAN TO HURT
>>51583646
Why did you move here?
I'm personally trying to get out before shit truly hits the fan.
>>51583580
>free healthcare
>free
There's this thing called taxation...
To all the would-be turncoats in here: Do you honestly think that running away to live life in some other country is going to solve all your problems? Guess what? It won't. Being fake is part of the human condition. Act one way in public and another in private. It's part of society, no matter where you go. Get your shit together.
>>51583675
Still cheaper than privatized health care, dumbass
>>51583691
>Implying
>>51583649
Sounds hot 2bh
>>51583672
Because the US is, honestly, much better off than Britain if you are willing to work. The poor plebs who work at McDonalds and will never achieve anything are better off in the UK. Everyone else is better off in America.
i've met some americans who happen to be the realest people i know
>>51583672
>before shit truly hits the fan.
What do you think is gonna happen, m8?
>>51583693
Yes, cheaper, but not necessarily better. I worked for the NHS and it was total shit.
>>51583191
That's just how the modern western world is.
Everyone is playing the same game before they die of old age, pretending to have morals while getting drunk and high on the weekends.
First world countries have completely stagnated
>>51583743
>cheaper, but not necessarily better
Anything is better than choosing between nothing, debt, or bankruptcy
>>51583693
>He's actually against the free market
>>51583770
Except that isn't what happens. The US system is far more dynamic and offers far more advanced and varied treatments. The NHS is completely mired in bureaucracy and staffed by typical government employees.
It is just you
Because if it isn't you would have noticed it everywhere
>>51583191
>won't show blood on TV or swear
Have you watched any American TV lately?
>>51583770
>>51583672
>>51583693
T b h, you sound like a typical whiney liberal. We get a lot of them as expats in the UK. They always seem to think that the grass is greener and that Europe is some sort of paradise. Then they move there and won't stop complaining that it is shit.
>>51583882
and then they come back to the US and want to implement the very same policies that turned Europe into shit.
>>51583191
>Their
More like our, stop pretending Canada is distinguishable from the US
>>51583882
you make it sound like being a liberal is a bad thing
Brazil always seems so much happier.
>>51583770
>Anything is better than choosing between nothing, debt, or bankruptcy
Even dying?
Whiny Liberals don't have Jesus, so I wouldn't be gunning so hard for inferior healthcare.
>>51583911
>Come back to implement programs to boost US quality of life to European levels
>Get shot
>>51583338
Your part of the country is filled with rude shitheads that belong in the Middle East.
>>51583928
Classical liberal no
Modern American leftist """liberal""" oh so very much yes
>WORKPLACE VIOLENCE
>>51583984
>muh "liberalism stopped in the 18th century, it was completely flawless until le usurpers stole it from us" maymay
>>51583928
It is, tbqh.
>>51583972
I'm a European citizen. I've been all over Europe and lived there for 32 years. I can tell you with certainty that, though the US has its own problems, the standard of living here is much higher for most.
>>51583928
Seperate poster here. Leftist economcs is absolute shit. Regulations almost always benefit corporations and harm the general public. I cannot think of a single regulation (save for emissions/pollution) that actually benefits society.
Free markets work very very well. Most balanced and free system there is.
>>51584023
Other than legalizing weed what liberties do you actually advocate for?
>>51584085
The first ten amendments, and access to education/healthcare/food/shelter regardless of your economic status.
>>51584085
Liberal economics is the antithesis of what today's liberals advocate (socialism and greater government intervention). It's funny how words are redefined.
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
>>51584103
>The first ten amendments
Typical Democrats, always advocating Slavery and shit.
Should we Massacre some more Injuns as well, Papa Jackson?
>>51584103
>access to education/healthcare/food/shelter regardless of your economic status.
Toppest kek. Get off the computer Junior. It's past your bedtime.
>>51584103
>The first ten amendments
So no emancipation? to women's suffrage?
>access to education/healthcare/food/shelter regardless of your economic status.
Those aren't liberties, dingus. Those are what you perceive to be "rights" which are only brought on by heavy taxation and regulation, the exact opposite of liberty
>>51584103
>>access to education/healthcare/food/shelter regardless of your economic status.
What an absolute bellend
>>51584192
*no women's suffrage
>>51584103
How the hell are you going to socialize food and shelter?
Are you advocating Commieblocks and rationed Borscht?
>>51584103
Those are not liberties. Those are things you impose on others. For them to exist others must give up their time and money to provide them.
A liberty, freedom, or right does not impose anything on someone else. Quite the opposite actually. It simply means that I am free to do x without being arrested or fined.
I support public education (up to highschool) and I support shelters. These are things which benefit us all. However they are not liberties.
Nationalized health care does not benefit the majority nor is it a liberty. There is a strong correlation between income and health. The wealthiest people use the least medical services. Under nationalized healthcare those who pay the most for health services (wealthier people) will use it the least.
>>51583338
I agree, easily.
>>51584237
Free speech is a liberty. It does not impose anything on others. It simply means I am free to speak without government intervention.
The limits to this are of course libel, fraud, threats, etc.
>>51583691
>no matter where you go
Not really tbqhfam
ITT: Americans try to understand Canada and it's systems, fail horribly
>>51584134
>muh socialism
Dipshit, most "socialists" on the American "left" argue for some socialist policies in order to undermine more radical leftism and preserve the overall liberal system.
It's essentially the reason that Otto von Bismarck (not a bleeding heart liberal by anybody except Teatard standards) invented the welfare state in the first place.
>>51584141
What the actual fuck are you babbling about?
>>51584181
This is precisely why we need more access to education.
>>51584192
You're right. I'll say all of them except the 18th.
>>51584237
Call them "priveleges" or whatever you want if it triggers you less.
The point is, while liberalism was leagues ahead of what preceded it, you can't stay stuck in the 19th century and ignore the issues that arise in a liberal system.
This is the real world, and while I can understand the appeal of thinking you're John Galt and everyone less fortunate just needs to work harder, I think that a functional, cohesive society sometimes requires that certain people put in a bit more to help those at the bottom.
>>51583323
Can you please go back there? Everyone is fake to you because we hate you. we just pretend to be nice.
>>51584308
>What the actual fuck are you babbling about
>No 13th Amendment
>First Democratic president
>>51584304
As pointed out by several nationalities, Canada is indistinguishable from the US. Claiming to be different is some "muh heritage" level cringe
>>51584308
>Call them "priveleges" or whatever you want if it triggers you less.
>you can't stay stuck in the 19th century and ignore the issues that arise in a liberal system.
> I think that a functional, cohesive society sometimes requires that certain people put in a bit more to help those at the bottom.
So you agree that modern American liberalism has absolutely nothing to do with liberty and you simply want to impose regulations and restrict freedom from others?
>>51584308
>Teatard
I'm just going to stop you right there. Please just leave and get back to posting Occupy Democrats and Vox articles on Facebook.
>>51584311
T-thanks. But I can't since there is nothing left for me there.
>>51584444
Oh, but I thought you were so much happier there, senpai. Surely it would be worth it for you.
>>51584375
>by several nationalities
*only by Americans in this thread
You can argue all you want about culture, media etc. being identical to the U.S, I understand you probably understand nothing about our politics and government policies but they're very different.
>>51584370
Fair enough.
32 of the 33 Amendments are alright.
Prohibition was stupid.
>>51584396
Not at all.
I think modern liberalism is a logical step forward from "classical" liberalism, in which people recognized flaws in a purely "liberal" system and introduced elements of socialism in order to augment the liberal system and undermine more radical ideologies. People are a lot less likely to vote for radical socialists or communists when they're fed and sheltered.
This purely dogmatic adherence to "muh classical liberalism" is Soviet-tier blind faith (MUH NOT TRUE COMMUNISM)
>>51584420
>being this triggered by namecalling
>>>/tumblr/
>>51584486
I was happy because I had a proper home there, friends, a family. My home was demolished long ago, my friends are gone, and my family is spread out all over Europe.
>>51584444
>American immigrants who hate their country but continue to live here due to social and economic advantages
>>51584308
I'm not triggered, it's just that they are not freedoms. When you create a service which imposes something on others that is not a freedom.
>A bit more to help those at the bottom
I agree with you. The question is at which point is enough. Highschool education and shelters are enough. Universal health care is too much and creates a moral hazard (decreased incentive to care for oneself) due to people not paying for their services.
Reduce government services, welfare, economic restrictions, and let people work. Those at the bottom benefit more from a 15-20% tax rate (due to decreased government expenditure) than they do from social programs.
The American dream is alive and well. I'm speaking as someone whose parents went to community college and eventually became a pharmacist. And I also went there am now a developer.
>>51584521
>I think modern liberalism is a logical step forward from "classical" liberalism, in which people recognized flaws in a purely "liberal" system and introduced elements of socialism in order to augment the liberal system and undermine more radical ideologies
Moderate communism and suppression of liberty is the natural evolution of Liberalism?
>>51583191
That flag triggers my autism extra-hard. About halfway through that one scene in Scanners, hard.
>>51584521
It is not blind faith. Free markets have preceeded every great and civilized nation. Communism has preceeded failed states.
The history is all there. Early american immigrants did not have minimum wage, welfare, or other regulations. Yet they came, worked their asses off, and built something great.
Problems arose when the government intervened, created regulations, gave land to private companies, and helped monopolies form.
![tumblr_inline_njwhtwmULi1r02qda[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/kNFiChy.png "tumblr_inline_njwhtwmULi1r02qda[1].png")
>>51583191
>won't show blood on TV
>>51584521
>I think modern liberalism is a logical step forward from "classical" liberalism, in which people recognized flaws in a purely "liberal" system and introduced elements of socialism in order to augment the liberal system and undermine more radical ideologies. People are a lot less likely to vote for radical socialists or communists when they're fed and sheltered.
Then stop calling yourself a liberal. "Liberal" implies that your most treasured intrinsic value is liberty, yet you call for more regulations and "elements of socialism" to support your nanny state.
>>51584585
No. Step out of the basement for a minute and consider which is more appealing to a struggling family when the economy crashes.
>don't listen to those commies over there, m'market will fix itself soon enough. and if it doesn't maybe some charities will help you out. i don't know. maybe you should've worked harder and saved some food, hmm?
or
>don't listen to those commies over there. here's some work and food while things are tough, but the market will sort itself out eventually.
This country seems to be the only developed one that considers anything beyond the former scenario to be on par with Stalinist Russia.
>>51584670
But I am a liberal. I broadly support capitalism and take no issue with basic negative liberties. Soviets and Chinese who support some market liberalization are still considered socialists, why shouldn't the opposite be true?
>>51583338
>being courteous is bad
why are new englanders and euros such shit people
>>51584741
As somebody who grew up in Europe, I can tell you that my experiences with "managed" euro-style economies were not at all positive.
>>51584741
>This country seems to be the only developed one that considers anything beyond the former scenario to be on par with Stalinist Russia.
Yes and do you know the conditions under which this country was built? One where there was no welfare, no minimum wage, and very little government intervention.
You actually have to criticize his points not just compare it stalinism. Americans are devout liberal capitalists because it has made us great and because we value freedom.
Stalinists legitimately have no historical support. It's all dogma.
>market will fix itself
Can you provide a concrete real world example of the government improving outcomes for everyone?
>>51584741
>Soviets and Chinese who support some market liberalization are still considered socialists, why shouldn't the opposite be true?
Because the Soviets and the Chinese totally fucked up their economy with the exact same fiscal regulations and stunting taxation that you're advocating for. You know why China hasn't imposed socialist policies on Hong Kong, despite being such an unregulated Laissez-faire system? Because they know how successful it is and how much good it does for the Chinese economy.
Who the fuck would want to live in China instead of Hong Kong?
>>51584849
>One where there was no welfare, no minimum wage, and very little government intervention.
Oh? And why did we eventually introduce welfare, minimum wage and government intervention?
Protip: Muh Ultracapitalist 'Murrica is a Cold War propaganda invention, and there was a great deal of support for leftism and socialism prior to the Second World War.
As the last vestiges of affluence that the unique economic and geopolitical situation of this country in the postwar era wears off, you'll notice that those ideologies are starting to once again gain traction.
>>51584936
Monopolies in the "ultracapitalist" era were subsidized by the state
>>51584915
Completely irrelevant.
The point is, if a Chinese politician who advocates some liberalization is still a socialist, why isn't an American liberal who advocates some government control still considered a liberal?
If you're under the impression that China is my ideal political/economic system, you're sorely mistaken. I'd much rather choose Germany (birthplace of the welfare state) or any Northern/Western European nation (/pol/ immigration memes and right-wing blogger doomsday predictions aside).
>>51584974
Yes, yes. It wasn't "TRUE LIBERALISM".
Granted, the liberal system allowed it to occur, but it wasn't real liberalism.
Nope, nuh-uh.
We just need to institute your perfect, flawless, rigidly dogmatic special snowflake liberalism and all will be well.
>>51585043
>We just need to institute your perfect, flawless, rigidly dogmatic special snowflake liberalism and all will be well.
You mean like your version, where economic policies are also regulated by the state?
>>51585043
you're blaming the free market for something it had no part in
it's like calling norway or modern china communistic
>>51585043
Brah what the hell are you talking about? He is right. Monopolies are a result of what you support (government intervention).
>the liberal system allowed it to occur
How exactly is creating a regulation or giving land to select companies part of the liberal system?
>>51585083
We don't need that.
When we institute "TRUE LIBERALISM" it won't happen.
The government and big business will play by the rules this time just because. The only reason they didn't last time is because they didn't understand it was supposed to be TRUE LIBERALISM.
If we give them a stern warning that colluding again would be in violation of the TRUE LIBERAL principle, they'll surely abide by our rules.
>>51585117
>How exactly is creating a regulation or giving land to select companies part of the liberal system?
The same reason that communist regimes were able to carry out so many atrocities despite the reassurances from commies that such things would never happen in TRUE COMMUNISM and that any communist regime that carried out such atrocities were merely bastardizations of their ideology.
It turns out that people with a great deal of power don't particularly give a shit about playing by the rules.
>>51585213
>giving the government the power to regulate the marketwill ensure the government doesn't misuse its power to imfluence the economy
are you literally retarded
>>51585213
>The same reason that communist regimes were able to carry out so many atrocities despite the reassurances from commies that such things would never happen in TRUE COMMUNISM and that any communist regime that carried out such atrocities were merely bastardizations of their ideology.
It turns out that people with a great deal of power don't particularly give a shit about playing by the rules.
It seems to me like this is something you just said because you felt that you needed to respond with something, so you typed something totally irrelevant to reassure yourself like you have a single clue what you're talking about
>>51585328
lot of typos there
>>51583675
FYI, America pays more tax dollars on healthcare per person than Canada, but you still pay out the ass on insurance AND every single visit.
Get fucked, Yank.
>>51585328
Not nearly as retarded as somebody who assumes that the corporations won't simply assume the role of the government when the state itself is stripped of any and all power.
>>51585352
>HEY! YOU STOP COLLUDING WITH THE STATE, CORPORATION! DON'T YOU REALIZE THAT THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF LIBERAL PRINCIPLES? YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT! THIS ISN'T REAL LIBERALISM! I CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING TO STOP YOU, BUT MAYBE IF I REMIND YOU THAT YOU'RE BREAKING THE RULES YOU'LL SEE THE LIGHT!
>>51585450
The problem is price gouging within the healthcare industry
Giving people "free""""""""""“"""""""" healthcare won't solve that
>>51585485
>He thinks that giant megacorps are the result of the free market and not the merging of government and big business
>>51585485
>Not nearly as retarded as somebody who assumes that the corporations won't simply assume the role of the government when the state itself is stripped of any and all power.
And how exactly do that?? Corporations make money when people buy their goods or service. If corporations act badly people will create their own firms and become rivals.
Only cases where people can't create a company and enter a market is when land has been doled out (ISPs).
>>51585485
>stripped of any and all power
i'm not an ancap m8, i'm a libertarian
>>51585485
>make it so that business will receive no benefit from colluding with government
>this will somehow lead to rampant collusion between business and government
>>51585516
>price gouging
Does not exist. FDA regulations and laws against importing drugs are what drive up the cost.
Remember that meme story about the CEO who raised the price of a drug to thousands of dollars? That same drug was sold for like $5 overseas.
Imagine if Americans could go to walgreens, show their prescriptionv and have the pharmacist order the drug overseas. This is currently illegal.
>>51585608
>That same drug was sold for like $5 overseas
It was sold for less than that right next door.
:^)
>>51583672
Lmao you are far from going down. You are doing better than germany at the moment.
You just need a german social-economy, not as it is at the moment, but as it has been in the past.
>>51585608
And a $1 alternative has already been made
The free market in work
>>51585528
No, it's just that "the free market" doesn't really exist, and that "big business" will always find a way to merge with the government, assuming there is a government. If not, they'll just assume the same role that the government would have.
>>51585548
>If corporations act badly people will create their own firms and become rivals.
Until the big, bad-acting corporations use their greater resources to out-advertise the competition. Or fund dubious studies to defame the competition. Or lobby to pass laws that hinder the competition (Oh wait, they won't do that, they're pure, devoted libertarians too LOL). Or pay private mercenaries to go fuck up the competition.
>>51585555
>make it so that business will receive no benefit from colluding with government
How do you plan on doing this?
>>51585656
Except it'll have to go through millions of dollars of FDA testing. Patients literally cannot choose to take a drug that hasn't gone through testing.
>>51585669
I'm really not sure what you're advocating at this point m8. All of your comments are the exact reason we should avoid socialism and government intervention.
If corporations will always find a way, why not decrease the government and make things harder for them?
Your arguments hurt leftist economics more than it does libertarian.
>>51585724
>Patients literally cannot choose to take a drug that hasn't gone through testing.
>What are waivers
>What are case studies
>>51583191
Nah. You really have to get your boots on the ground to experience America because the news is full of traditional corporate culture ala Office Space.
Culture varies from region to region but you won't see that on the news.
>>51585832
Part of highly controlled studies. Studies in which the amount of people receiving a drug is determined by statistics rather than desire.
>>51585802
>If corporations will always find a way, why not decrease the government and make things harder for them?
Because people hate competition and will try to do everything in their power to destroy it. Nobody wants to see their grandfathers company destroyed by some upstart.
>>51585891
>Nobody wants to see their grandfathers company destroyed by some upstart.
Which is why they will increase the value of their product or service to increase demand from consumers and prevent bankruptcy
Is your image of capitalism that business owners start assassinating each other the second they lose a share of the market?
Again, see: Hong Kong
>>51585669
>"big business" will always find a way to merge with the government, assuming there is a government. If not, they'll just assume the same role that the government would have.
There is zero basis for this assertion.
>How do you plan on doing this?
Through the government?
>>51583416
>>51583421
>americans know things about other countries
Huh, what an interesting concept
>>51583416
>Americans constantly pretend to be super positive nowadays.
not on the coasts
>>51583191
>they are all excited about violence but won't show blood on TV
/r/ing webm of Michael Pitt on Hannibal very graphically cannibalizing his own face
>>51587164
Which was on network tv, by the way, not even basic cable.
>>51585516
It's called nationalisation.
