>Look at facebook
>Malcolm Turnbull, the current Prime Minister of Australia, posts an update
>Affordable and reliable clean energy technologies are vital to cut global emissions and address global energy poverty. Mission Innovation brings together governments and private investors to take clean energy projects from research and development to commercial outcomes. Australia has a lot to contribute, given our world class research, strong history of clean energy innovation and because we are one of the largest energy exporters to the world.
>mfw top comment
>'stop giving subsidies to coal mining companies and invest it in reneweables instead....'
Are people in your country mentally disabled when is comes to science /int/?
why are you on 4chan, Gina?
>>51495579
>implying I'm a coal shill
fuck coal power and fuck your 'green' power too.
>>51495606
>fuck electricity
Whose smartphone did you steal to make this thread, Iluka?
Okay Tone, time to log off M8
Is that you Clive?
>>51495647
>fuck electricity
Did I say that?
I left out one source of electricity, the best source.
Nuclear power.
>>51495648
>I've got no rebuttal so I'll just call him Tony Abbott!
>>51495606
>I'm retarded
>>51495648
don't you insulted based tone you piglet i will fucking end you
>>51495675
>'O-oh s-shit, I've got n-no argument!'
>'R-retard!'
>>51495548
>Affordable and reliable clean energy technologies are vital
So when's Australia going nuclear?
>>51495779
BUT MUH NUCLEAR IS BAD
MUH NUCLEAR BOMBS R EVIL
MUH CHERNOBYL
MUH RADIATION POISONING
>>51495548
Tony, I love your opinions on immigration but you're pretty retarded when it comes to climate change.
>>51495548
Andrew Bolt pls
>>51495809
Can't we just do it in Tasmania
They are mutants already anyway
>>51495981
A bit rich coming from a two-headed mainlander.
>>51495931
>>51495905
>these are bad people
>>51495779
>So when's Australia going nuclear?
We should have gone nuke 30years ago because we've got the most stable continent on earth, it doesn't have to be in someone's backyard and enough uranium to last nearly forever.
But we've got fucking hippies that think it'll eat their chillens and rape the whales.
>>51495779
They wont since we never will and Australia doesn't do anything unless New Zealand does it first
>>51496211
OP here, this is exactly what I mean.
Its like an ironic joke by God or some shit that Australia is perfect for Nuclear power, but the general public is that against it.
>>51495665
That's not hydroelectric power
Why don't other countries just use their abundant rivers to generate electricity?
>>51496265
We became a cunt before you cunts.
My state isn't, but the US as a whole has its head up its ass.
We need to call upon #BASED France to learn how to shut up hippies and use nuclear for the vast majority of energy production.
>>51496321
>Why don't other countries just use their abundant rivers to generate electricity?
Our river system is shitty and fucked. We'd be better off using solar thermal.
>>51496321
>Why don't other countries just use their abundant rivers to generate electricity?
Because it generates literally fuck all energy compares to the amount of money it takes to build and maintain.
Especialyl compared to Nuclear power.
>>51495779
Nuclear is actually very expensive to build. Doesn't make it bad, but if you're claiming it's cheap, then you're objectively wrong.
>>51496468
Australia spends 1.8 Billion a year bailing out the dying coal industry.
I think we could afford Nuclear power.
>>51495548
Are you so dense that you think having only 1 source of energy makes sense?
>>51496490
Thats a real retarded question you got there friend.
>>51496489
It's kinda sorta fairly hard to stump up the money upfront to build a nuclear power plant though. It'd cost a few years of your bail-out shekels, which is a fair pile of shekels.
>>51496599
But its still worth it.
It would boost our economy considerably in the long run, plus the amount of money we're literally throwing away on 'green' power could be used for more useful things.
>>51495548
>look at facebook
I have lost you at that point, normie.
>>>/out/
>>51496278
Its also perfect for solar and thermal types of power, but we've been dragging our arse on that too.
Big coal along with the greens faggots are going to keep us in the 19th century for a bit longer :/
>>51496654
>outdoors
thanks for reminding me I'm going camping with my friends in 2 days, NEET loser.
>>51496659
Yeah but solar is fucking useless too.
All of those 'green renewable' energy things are either very inefficient, or plain lies.
>>51496635
Well, it may or may not be worth it, depends on whether the tens of billions you spend on nuclear plants would be better invested in something else that returns a better profit. The amount of money it would take, especially in Australia, is a once in a generation kind of expenditure.
>>51496564
Then why were you only advocating for nuclear while also claiming it's cheap?
>>51496704
You're an idiot. Solar power is already cheaper than grid power in Australia.
>>51495606
>Are people mentally disabled when is comes to science?
>fuck your 'green' power too.
Stay scientific, friend.
>>51496704
>Yeah but solar is fucking useless too.
Not entirely, we've got a lot of sunshine here, its quiet and on a small scale it does pretty good for what it is. But its expensive... because we've been dragging our arse on developing the technology.
Better than fucking windfarms and shit like that.
Nukes are the best bet for clean power here still, but solar has potential if we decided to do something a bit more with it.
>>51496704
Didn't mean y that 2bh.
>NEET
I am a hard-working person - not going to be NEET until 65 years-old.
Your assumption skill has failed.
>>51496722
>only advocating for nuclear
I never was, I'm just saying its a joke that people think that green power, solar power, wind power etc are the way of the future when they aren't.
At best they should be used as supplements to nuclear power.
>>51496744
Explain how to use solar power if you don't have another main source of power first.
>>51496705
Of course, but thats what an investment is.
Using a large lump sum for beneficial returns later on.
>>51495548
>stop giving everyone's money to private companies
good so far...
>give it to these other companies I like instead
aaand you fucked up
>>51496795
Without that y. Keyboard is tricking me.
>>51496795
they why shill a stupid NEET meme?
>>51496777
>but solar has potential if we decided to do something a bit more with it.
Of course, it should be used to supplement the costs of nuclear power.
It should NOT be used as a main source of power, like green party shills always try and claim.
>>51496815
and who are we going to give it to then?
I never said it should go to private companies anyways.
Utilities should be run by the government.
>>51495548
t. Western Australian
>>51496802
I didn't say use ONLY solar you illiterate fucking nigger.
The fact is that solar in Australia can meet the bulk of a household's energy needs.
Also, you use batteries to load balance.
>mfw abc shills solar panels in a hack article based on some guy who installed it in his house
>mfw an offhand mention at the end mumbles how many shekels it cost him to set up
>>51496802
> I have no idea how grid design works and can work
That's you.
>>51496841
>who are we going to give it to then?
typical indoctrinated statist, you could try keeping it in your own pocket instead, or giving it to anons if you really can't handle holding onto it yourself
public utilities are an absurdly inefficient waste of resources, but that doesn't mean we should pay private contractors in addition to fees they may charge for their services
>>51496826
A shill calling people shills. Hilarious.
>>51496856
I think you are misunderstanding the point of my thread.
My point is that general public in Australia unironically believe that Wind, Solar, Geothermal etc power can power the whole country easily and cheaply, which is a fucking joke.
>solar can meet the bulk of Australia's needs
first of all, it can but its insanely expensive too.
secondly, the whole point of why they shill solar power so hard, especially solar panels, is because they are good for the environment, green, etc etc when they aren't.
>>51496777
>he doesn't like elegant, majestic wind turbines
>>51496906
>implying you aren't one too
everyone is a fucking shill.
>>51496902
>try keeping it in your own pocket
but I want to improve our country for the future.
>>51496881
what?
>>51496856
>use batteries to load balance
this is how every "debate" into alternate sources of energy go, it seems amazing, but the further down the path you go the more hidden expenses pop up, which aren't accounted for in the "fair" assessment of how much different types of energy cost, but are the only things that make solar doable
>>51496915
They could come pretty damn close with grid storage investment. You continue to claim nuclear is cheap when it is actually extremely expensive.
>>51496940
>I want to improve our country for the future
then kick in for solar panels around your neighbourhood, or chip in on a kickstarter somewhere
don't demand that everybody else should be similarly philanthropic
>>51496915
No, its not expensive. Solar is cheaper than grid power in Australia. What the hell don't you understand about that?
>>51496915
>first of all, it can but its insanely expensive too.
You're literally wrong. Go look up the $/kWh on photovoltaics.
>>51496940
You don't understand how electricity gruds are designed and can be designed.
>>51496984
This nigga gets it.
>>51496826
>It should NOT be used as a main source of power
It could well prop up what we've got, putting all your eggs in one basket so to speak. Years ago I designed and put in a few solar-assisted telco sites, it basically offsets a bit of the usage through the day and through the night they run on their batteries. Mostly in remote areas, because we've got fucking 1000's of them and it costs the earth to put mains power into them.
>>51496916
Nah, not a fan. :D
Seriously though, they're noisy, maintenance intensive, take up heaps of space and chop poor old fucking eagles in half.
>>51496962
what are you, a fucking communist?
>>51496944
I haven't claimed Nuclear is cheap once, in fact you said before I did and I said then I didn't claim it was.
I know its not, but for the price its still more efficient than bloody wind farms etc.
>>51496965
>Solar is cheaper than grid power in Australia.
solar is very expensive if you want it to actually cover the majority of the electrical expenses of the country.
>>51496321
We do use some hydroelectric power, it's a hilariously bad way of getting electricity in most situations, but people think it's cool
>>51497026
>what are you, a fucking communist?
was this ironic shitposting?
>>51497026
Wrong faggot. Solar is cheaper per kWh or MWh than your current grid. The more you scale it up, the cheaper it gets per unit.
Good job denying facts, douchenozzle.
>>51497014
Yeah, but I would still prefer solar thermal. Because turning things molten is pretty cool.
>>51496984
Does that include the fact that they have a shit lifespan?
I agree solar can be useful, but to use solar you still need electricity generates elsewhere first.
Right now we are using coal for this.
Our other options are Nuclear, and stuff like geothermal, hydroelectric and windfarms.
Which is the best option of those 3?
>>51497068
are you stupid?
Thats clearly a New Zealand flag.
>>51497032
That's the joke with hydro here...
All these green cunts going mental for 'clean power', then they dam up a valley, kills off dozens of native species, trees, fucks up ecosystems and other endangered stuff.
Greenies lose their fucking shit, its like living with a bipolar woman.
>>51497059
They have different applications. And there are different kinds if solar thermal, CSP and passive.
>>51497060
>Does that include the fact that they have a shit lifespan?
YES IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING EVER ALWAYS.
>Our other options are Nuclear, and stuff like geothermal, hydroelectric and windfarms.
No, there are more options than that, you ignorant bastard.
>>51497060
That's wrong. Modern solar panels lose about 0.5% of capacity per year. After 40 years, they will still be running at 80% capacity.
>>51495548
t. Andrew Forrest
>>51495548
Liberal voters are mouth breathers
>>51495779
never
reason: Melbourne
>Labor voters literally believe that 50% renewables by 2030 is a good idea
After the carbon tax and this, it's almost like they don't give a fuck about the economy
>>51497458
this is what I am talking about, not about whether or not nuclear is good, solar is good etc.
Its that the general public in Australia unironically believes this, and its a fucking problem
>>51495548
What happened to Abbott? Why isn't he PM anymore?
>>51497327
>Liberal voters are mouth breathers
>i vote labour/greens/sex party because I'M SO FUCKING INTELLIGENT
do you even believe it or is it just a convenient lie for you?
>>51495548
Where's my high speed rail senpai
>>51497651
Commonwealth styled parliaments are retarded and can change PMs with the drop of a hat.
>>51497674
its how they fall asleep at night.
>>51497651
He was voted out by his own party.
>>51497674
>Sex party
Holy shit, the dumbest fucking thing to exist in Australian politics. And Redditors unironically vote for them.
>Greens
Retarded.
>Socialist Alternative
LITERALLY 110% ABSOLUTELY FUCKING MEMEY TRASH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MATE
>>51497819
i met our local sex party "member" or whatever by mistake at uni, was a 5 foot tall hunchback that talked to me about furries because i mentioned he was wearing a pentagram
would hear later that he's a convicted pedophile who banged his 10 year old daughter cause he was getting divorced, topkek
i'll give every other party in existence credit, i don't think any of them are prone to being that much of a fuckup even if they're literal communists
>>51495779
when we exterminate the lefties and boomers.
>>51497819
>I donkey vote because every politician is shit
>>51497860
>i'll give every other party in existence credit
You shouldn't. A guy in the SA state parliament got done last year for child porn.
>wanting nuclear energy when renewable energy is for free and completely clean and safe
Do you enjoy having to get rid of nuclear waste?
>>51497692
But you can do it too, I believe in you!~
>>51498087
>a politic figure is accused of keeping cp
I wonder.
>>51498140
>free
by that logic, nuclear is free too, since the energy required to dig it out is, ultimately, provided by the sun
>>51498159
It's not because getting the uranium costs you money
Getting sunlight, wind or waves costs nothing, it's something you have already and aren't utilizing
>>51498179
>Getting sunlight, wind or waves costs nothing
>>51498140
>Do you enjoy having to get rid of nuclear waste?
>>51498140
>renewable energy is for free
that leftist delusion
>>51498159
Uhh yeah but... Uranium doesn't come from the sun...
>>51498179
>money
which you can get by working, using energy from your body which you got by eating things which absorbed the energy of the sun
checkmate greenfags
>>51498216
everything heavier than hydrogen comes from the sun, fucktard
>>51498248
Nope. Uranium comes from supernovas, and seeing as the Sun is still here...
>>51498196
>I greentexted and posted a frog look at me
>>51498225
There's also the risk of horrific accidents at nuclear power plants. Yes, it's unlikely. But when it actually does happen, that low risk won't make you feel any better. Because you'll be fucking cooked.
Renewable energy will never meltdown or make any kind of environmental disaster. It's right there for you to tap into so why the hell won't you?
>>51496385
our cunt culture is literally strayan cunt culture mixed with maori/islander cunt culture.
GOAT
>>51495548
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NBN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>51498343
>There's also the risk of horrific accidents at nuclear power plants.
Naah, not anymore. New generation nuclear plants just stop when something goes wrong, they don't (they physically can't) keep the nuclear reaction going.
>>51495981
>Anonymous 12/01/15(Tue)17:56:25 No.51495981â–¶>>51496069
>>>51495809
>Can't we just do it in Tasmania
Or that gigantic fucking desert
>>51498343
Meanwhile solar panel and wind turbine production plants in China aren't a risk, they're a guaranteed hazard to air and water quality anywhere nearby
>>51498343
If you knew anything about nuclear power you'd know that modern nuclear reactors don't produce waste.
Also, wind, solar, hydroelectric etc power aren't free.
>>51498140
>completely clean and safe
What kind of energy exactly? I mean things we can use right now and everywhere. Because sun energy is barely available in general. Wind generators are far from being safe.
>>51495548
To be fair it would only cost 13.2 billion to replace the three dirtiest power stations in Australia with wind farms, the Australian government gave 500 billion in subsidies to the coal mining industry last year.
>>51498441
Nuclear energy. Hippies need to stop their scare mongering because of 1960's breeder reactor technology being shit.
Liquid salt reactors are 100 times safer than breeder reactors yet hippies will not allow the investment of billions of dollars that is needed for them to be perfected.
I hate hippies.
>>51498463
500 billion is more than the government's annual budget, mang.
>>51498392
Just as Fukushima stopped amirite? It's very very easy to say that "oh it's safe nothing can go wrong" and then lo and behold, a nuclear power plant disaster! It's happened several times now. Are your really willing to gamble...? And for what?
>>51498415
Oh please.
>>51498420
>dont produce waste
Blatantly false. Even the most cutting edge of nuclear power plants still produce waste.
>Also, wind, solar, hydroelectric etc power aren't free.
Yes they are. You already have all this potential power available for free and you're not using it. Uranium is not for free, it costs a lot and digging it out is dangerous stuff. It contaminates the area etc, it's an unstable and dangerous material. Plus, uranium will eventually become scarce. There isn't such an enormous amount of it around. It clearly isn't a future prooof technology so why invest in it?
I really don't understand this resistance against renewable power... It's completely clean and safe. What's the fucking problem??
>>51498576
>Just as Fukushima stopped amirite?
Fukushima wasn't a nuclear power plant disaster, it was a natural disaster at a nuclear power plant. All those thousands of people died because of a tsunami.
>>51498617
can't you see how bad you're shilling right now lol
why does this topic matter to you that much
>>51498518
Yep, nuke energy is a #1 must for humanity. People are paranoid because of some ancient fuck up and Japan that has 100 earthquakes a week. There are plenty of super stable countries, they don't even need an earthquake protection.
>>51498420
>modern nuclear reactors don't produce waste.
explain how that's possible lol
links pls
>>51498576
>still produce waste.
but not nuclear waste.
>Yes they are free
no, they aren't.
Case and point, they are building a wind farm near my town, at most it can power 75,000 homes a year (which will never actually happen) and it will cost 380 Million to build.
>>51498675
I'm not OP, you massive faggot. Stop being a newfag and install extra flags.
>>51498712
>but not nuclear waste.
how lethal is this other kind of waste then?
also you should literally kill yourself if you don't think thorium reactors are better
psychologist here. your post shows a high degree of self-loathing and projection regarding your micropenis, microcephalus, morbid obesity, scat- and pony-fetish and general feeling of being a failure.
>>51498675
>shilling
>stating clear facts is now shilling according to greenies
wew
>>51498712
>Case and point, they are building a wind farm near my town, at most it can power 75,000 homes a year (which will never actually happen) and it will cost 380 Million to build.
Uhh yeah, nuclear would probably be more expensive than that, especially at that scale.
>>51498766
I know, but no way in hell it could ever power anything close to 75,000 homes.
>also
>at that scale
yeah no shit, who builds a tiny reactor?
>>51498761
ahh lets observe this here
>>51498712
>still produce waste.
>B-BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT NUCLEAR WE FOUND A WAY TO RECLASSIFY IT AND IT'S PROBABLY ONLY DANGEROUS HALF AS LONG (read: millions of years still)
this isn't facts it's semantics
>>51497976
Nah, I usually vote Labor. Sometimes Liberal if Labor is unvotable, like next year most likely.
>>51498799
the person you just linked is not the person you called a shill
fucking retarded greenies s m h
>>51498799
>AND IT'S PROBABLY ONLY DANGEROUS HALF AS LONG (read: millions of years still)
>millions of years
uh
>>51498820
here i was thinking this is an open discussion and not a place where you only talk in a series of 1 on 1 conversations :^)
>>51498833
exaggerated for comedic effect
thanks for quoting the least important bit and not explaining fully how this new waste and general nuclear waste is different
>>51498847
how is
>>can't you see how bad you're shilling right now lol
not a 1 on 1 conversation? you called someone a shill for absolutely no reason
>>51498902
will you cunts just talk about what you apparently want to talk about? if it means enough to you to shitpost about it it should mean enough to you to convince somebody of what you're saying
>>51498792
>I know, but no way in hell it could ever power anything close to 75,000 homes.
Well, maybe if you talked in average expected kWhs, I could've made a better comparison. But a nuclear plant that costs $5-10 billion overseas, you can be guaranteed it'll be at least $20 billion here because lolstraya as well as the lack of expertise, and it'll service maybe a million homes.
>>51498955
better than wasted money on renewables.
>>51498974
Renewable energy is the future lad. Accept it. Nuclear energy is a brief parenthesis in human history.
That is, at least, until fusion energy becomes real.
>>51499016
HYDRO AND NUCLEAR
THE WAY OF THE FUTURE
>>51499042
>HYDRO
Fuck it. Nukes only.
>>51498974
Renewables would be cheaper when you can invest in smaller-scale, and you would recoup the investment money faster, meaning the growth rate would be sharper. So no.
I expect there would be an added advantage to all those small-scale projects, in that in a country of low population density as ours, there would be much less loss in the power lines if planned efficiently, which adds up. In more densely populated countries, that might not be much of an issue.
People always focus on muh wind and solar, but there's a good dozen or so currently viable renewable energy sources, and at least one or two are well suited to any one country, and cheaper than most non-renewable sources.
>>51498709
People realise that spent nuclear fuel is less radioactive than it was when it was taken out of the ground right?
>>51498411
How do you fuck up the formatting this much
