Was the breakup of the Soviet Union bittersweet?
no it was the worst thing that could happen it was like 1000 hitlers being born
>>51082654
>it was like 1000 hitlers being born
What
>>51082697
To Quote putin
"The breakup of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century."
unchecked american petro dollar imperialism is worse than a thousand nazi regimes.
>>51082980
Oy vey its worse than being forced to poo in the loo
>>51083064
No goyim its a matter of actions , russia didn't endanger my nation , you did.
>India continued to harbour deep ambivalence about nuclear weapons and did not accord a priority to their production until the 1970s. In December 1971, during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, the U.S. President Richard Nixon sent a carrier battle group named Task Force 74, led by the nuclear-powered USS Enterprise, into the Bay of Bengal in an attempt to intimidate India. In response, the Soviet Union sent a submarine armed with nuclear missiles from Vladivostok to trail the US task force.[20] The salutary effect of the Soviet response demonstrated the deterrent significance of nuclear weapons and ballistic missile submarines to then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.[21]
i know this is off-topic....but it's funny that americans will never admit that they lost in vietnam
>>51083222
start a thread with that then
It triggers at least 10 of them every time
The real question is, was it necessary?
>>51083282
>WE NEVER WANTED TO WIN!!!
>IT WUZ THE ANTI-WAR WHO STOPED US
>BUT MUH LESS DEATHS IN OUR SIDE
>>>/pol/56382727
>>51083306
No it wasn't. Look how much the ex-soviet nations have been crippled by the breakup of the SU.
They would have been better if the SU had stayed together.
>>51082980
Petrodollars are so bad Russia literally lives off them
Russian views only appeal to conspiracy retards and poltards
Both are cancer
>>51083306
nope, because now you have this in the west
>>51083392
t. CIA
>>51083158
Pot calling the kettle black, India is a nuclear power. You and the pakis should do the world a favor and launch.
Now fuck off to your designated shitting street
>>51083222
>tfw you lose a war to a guy whose gun isn't cocked
>>51082554
No, just sweet. The death of the Russian Empire and the murder of the holy Emperor Nicholas II and his immediate family finally got a bit of vengeance, the only unfortunate part is that the formerly communist roaches got away with it and are still in charge in many instances. It's still a major injustice that Putin has not restored the Romanovs to power.
yes
it tainted marxist theory with the idea of failure
>>51083559
>>51082554
People were euphoric about capitalism bacause we waited for so long. Nobody missed our colonies back then. Now it's just a nostalgia of people who're getting older. Everybody can move on. Please, keep your sanctions so our people were forced to make stuff by themselves.
By the way, I wonder how the Far East (Novosibirsk and further) is doing, they were #1 kangaroo meat consumers outside Australia.
>>51083373
/balt/ is probably better off at least
>>51083559
the Romanovs are all fuckin dead m8
>>51083593
They were always on their own and good enough. They made electronics and stuff. Without Soviet bosses they can only do better. Too bad they turned ultrarussophobic, Balts were the most loved people in the USSR.
>>51083592
>By the way, I wonder how the Far East (Novosibirsk and further) is doing, they were #1 kangaroo meat consumers outside Australia.
How did they end up with kangaroo meat?
for some of the satellites and russia maybe? the eastern yurop satellites hate russia though.
>>51083678
>>51083592
>tfw russia never saved south america of USA's terror during cold war
>>51083648
No they aren't, there are still living Romanovs.
It depends on whom are you asking
It was painful for Russians because they have lost the colonial empire and superpower status
>>51083783
do the slovakians still feeling butthurt for 1968?
>>51083559
>Russian Empire
>good at all
>>51083559
The dead of capitalism and business traditions was catastrophic, not Romanovs' renunciation. It would be great if Russia turned into a proper republic like France. Also modern nobe descendants are enormous faggets, I met plenty of them.
>>51083700
Cheap + tastes like beef so they made pork-kangaroo sausages, pelmeni and everything. Some people are not even aware of the fact they eat exotic animals.
>>51083832
russia has been based troughout his history....and the only ones who can destroy it, are themselves
>>51083887
>It would be great if Russia turned into a proper republic like France
ohh yeah, wanting to be a shithole and gettin conquered by germans later was the best option after all
>>51083887
>death
>noble
>>51083893
>the only ones who can destroy it, are themselves
Anti-Russian conspiracy really exists. Too bad all of the nation is involved.
t. Pelevin
>>51083158
You niggers and your Paki brethren endanger yourselves you unsanitary fucking faggots.
>>51083924
>germans
>conquering anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
>>51083949
uwot?
>>51083373
There would have been permanent civil war.
>>51083970
germans were able to conquer weak shitholes...but when they messed with badasses like the UK and the USSR they failed
>>51083924
I didn't say any of that. It's just capitalism is the only system that can work for the good of everyone if you handle it properly.
>>51083971
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Pelevin
>>51083893
>t. didn't make it over the fence
>>51084073
There's really not that much fence.
>>51084020
>It's just capitalism is the only system that can work for the good of everyone if you handle it properly.
i don't know why...but when i see russians saying such things, it gives me triggerings
>>51084079
If you're from Mexico with the highest obesity rates in the world, and fence is too high.
>>51084112
>tfw i am one of the fewest mexicans who is not fat
>>51084112
any*
>>51084104
because you are a dumbass
fixed economies are trash
>>51084147
it's okay when western people say that capitalism work...but when russians do it,,,,i just feel sad, don't know why
>>51084104
>it gives me triggerings
Why? Can you point me at a regime without capitalism that is prosperous, educated, creative and going forward?
>>51084221
capitalism supported regimens too
"Those who do not regret the breakup of USSR have no heart. Those who want to resurrect USSR have no brain."
Putin.
>>51084256
>he really said that
>>51084253
avoided question
>>51082554
The whole east bloc ended up as a shithole
>>51084315
tbqh the russia was better when it was communist....when it turned capitalist...it went to shit
>>51084341
>literally knowing nothing about history
>being this much of a commie shill
>>51084400
prove me wrong
>>51084304
But he is right about that.
>>51084455
then that dude needs to make russia relevant again
>>51084418
>>51084253
You haven't answer. I'm alright with that though.
>>51084400
Man, I saw that Mexican in a /rus/ thread. Better don't get involved with him, he's too delusional.
>>51084472
you need to tell me how russia improved after the collapse
>>51083721
US aligned South American countries are the only ones doing well
You're a fucking joke m8
>>51084481
ohh fuck it....you are the USAboo who always post in /rus/
>>51084491
Nope, you made the initial claim that Russia was better of with communism. It's up to you to prove it. Which, if judging by economic growth, improvements in living standard and basic rights and freedoms, you can't.
>>51084503
>putine quotes
its like quoting obama, don't do this
>>51084550
his fanboys in LATAM believe that he will restore the USSR
>>51084468
Only 15 years have passed in normal condition. Russia needs more time.
>>51084592
and the progress was negative..
>>51084592
yeah!
>>51084623
Do you want to say that year 2001 was better for living than this and last year? (except that you had to go to school back then)
>>51083648
I knew a Romanov living in Wien. They're not dead.
>>51084742
relatively the same shit as today
less traffic jams too
in 2001 it was 2.5-3 world country, now its almost 4 world but with better internet
>>51084777
>>51084525
i also like russia for being able to kick your asses, when you were considered a superpower
>Dirty little brown Mexican white knighting the USSR
When did you fuckers turn into Serbia? lol
Anyways, I think you're on the right track, Russia.
You guys just need to drop Putin with his powertripping and attempts at becoming a relevant global superpower through aggressive foreign policies and military posturing. Find a better leader who will relax border tensions within Europe, make some more trade agreements with the EU, and let that oil/gas pipeline money start flowing in.
>>51085054
>You guys just need to drop Putin with his powertripping and attempts at becoming a relevant global superpower
>>51085054
>butthurt american
also, you just described the US on being aggresive
>>51084515
No, you mistook me for someone else.
cold war > Islamic extremism
>>51085054
putin's actually moderate in his political circle, the people around him and one of the guys liable to replace him are much more aggressive/crazy
so getting rid of him right now is a hilarious mistake
>>51085174
4chan during the cold war, would be interesting
>posting communist things would be the same as posting CP
>south american countries banned
>east europe banned
>almost all asian countries banned
>>51085174
Agreed.
Impending nuclear holocausts and massive tank assaults was far more riveting than spontaneous terror attacks.
Also, can't beat them CIA/KGB spy wars for cool factor.
>>51085054
>aggressive foreign policies and military posturing
>Russia
You mean aiding Ukrainian easterners with weapons? It's like 1/1000 less military agression than US does. And Putin is not the problem at all though being an average leader. We just need some time to become a proper economy and culture.
>>51085241
He's right when it comes to destruction and killing count.
>>51085054
>>51085311
>>51085241
damn, when i see your flags together, i really want a second cold war
>>51085214
>one of the guys liable to replace him are much more aggressive/crazy
how is that possible
>>51085054
>drop Putin
Majority supports him твн.
>aggressive foreign policies
If not mentioning Ukraine, what countries do you mean?
>your pic
1986, perestroika, glasnost, trying to make capitalism out of socialism
>>51085252
>You mean aiding Ukrainian easterners with weapons?
The correct term is "fueling a civil war," and as much as you may disagree with it, the rest of the world agrees aside from your (very) few allies. Nobody for one second believes the "No Russian in Ukraine" line.
>It's like 1/1000 less military agression than US does.
U.S. doesn't have to worry about it's aggression, this isn't a "But the U.S. does..." kind of thing.
Russia isn't in a position to impose sanctions and cripple the economy of the U.S. for its foreign policy even if it wanted to, the EU/NATO, which is largely lead by the U.S., is and will.
If Russia wants to make considerable economic growth and improvement they inevitably need to play ball with NATO/EU/U.S.
what went
right
>>51085396
im going to advocate for the devil
if you want to talk about fueling civil wars, what could you say about america's actions in the middle east?
>>51085422
you forgot to say that the US government fuel the war on drugs over here.....and their civilian population buy drugs from the drug mexican cartels
>>51085396
>american telling me about supporting civil wars
Ain't that a hipocrisy?
>>51084515
>you are the USAboo
There's your problem. You only view the Soviets as a counter to your despised USA. Your neediness blinds you to the cancer that system really was.
>>51085463
he always say that the US was better than the USSR in every single aspect in /rus/ thread, that's being a cu.ckold
>>51084256
>tfw you get a man tear because you miss having commies as your main enemy
>>51085396
>"fueling a civil war,"
Well, someone else did a lot for too. They chose anti-Russian populism and lost sympathy of people here many years ago. If not that, people would chimp out because of slavic bros corruption.
>U.S. doesn't have to worry about it's aggression
Yes, I know. Unlike us, you have actual power so you can start wars wherever you want.
>If Russia wants to make considerable economic growth and improvement they inevitably need to play ball with NATO/EU/U.S.
Agree, we're not in a position to show this much of teeth yet.
>>51085518
Proxy wars are fun when they're far away.
>>51085396
>If Russia wants to make considerable economic growth and improvement they inevitably need to play ball with NATO/EU/U.S.
its not the 50's anymore http://www.growth-dynamics.com/news/SEP20_04_files/image004.gif
>>51085422
>what could you say about america's actions in the middle east?
Nothing. I'm well aware of my country's actions, historic and present. The U.S. has sabotaged various governments and been quite the villain throughout the Cold War and into the present in support of its own foreign policy, the same as the USSR did and the same as any other major empire has. I'm also well aware that it has come back to bite us in the ass more than a few times.
That isn't my point, I'm not arguing morality or ethics.
My point is that the U.S./West has the upper hand in the situation and Russia headbutting against us like they did throughout the Cold War will do nothing to improve and boost their economy and the status of their nation because we'll just continue to impose sanctions, break trade agreements, etc. to stagnate them.
>>51084256
He didn't really say that, did he?
The old line was anyone who's not a communist at age 20 has no heart. Anyone who's still a communist at age 30 has no brain.
>>51085561
your sanctions ain't working
>>51085561
but you accused russia of something that the USA's done a lot.
you know forget it 2bh i don't anyone's thinking with a level head here. i don't think you could compare the drug issues in mexico to a 'civil war' type movement anyway
>>51085574
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSI7WJW8wqE
>>51085634
>but you accused russia of something that the USA's done a lot.
I know. We went over this, you need to learn to read into the argument.
It's not a question of morality or ethics, so stop bringing it up. It's that the U.S. can do it and get away with it because we aren't in a position to be "punished" by anyone for it. Russia, however, is not and while the Western world isn't going to "break" Russia, they can certainly make a dent in the country and be a pain in their ass.
>>51085714
>you need to learn to read into the argument.
or you need to acknowledge you were simply wrong and stfu instead of blathering some sort of hasty justification and then changing the subject
>>51085714
>we aren't in a position to be "punished" by anyone for it.
because you havent attacked anyone that could
>>51085749
No, you completely missed his point.
>>51085886
who could punish the US?
>>51085929
saudis
china
yurop as a whole
russia but russia knows sanctions are a good way to boost national industry
americans are faggots who pick on small countries that wont retaliate
>>51083373
>No it wasn't. Look how much the ex-soviet nations have been crippled by the breakup of the SU.
The majority of them are better off than Russia now. Try reading those HDI charts you aussies love so much.
>>51085887
>russia is aggressive
>why
>fostering civil unrest in ukraine
>what about syria, iraq, etc
>M-MUH COLD WAR. MUH THEY STARTED IT. MUH IT'S OKAY WHEN I DO IT. MUH DESTINY MANIFEST
it's nothing to do with ethics 2bh. you're just as aggressive as russia even if you're better at it
>>51086009
No, you just didn't comprehend any of what he was saying and now you're upset. Go over it a few times and maybe you'll figure it out idk.
>>51085993
>The majority of them are better off than Russia now.
they are shitholes like mexico
>>51085962
saudi arabia is truly the best ally of the US, not jewland
>>51086045
>U UPSET?
forget it. there's no russians even in the thread anymore
>>51086071
>>51086009
the US supported better regimens than the USSR ever did it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KTsXHXMkJA
>>51086105
i forgot about pol pot. jesus that was a disaster
all to get at the vietnamese, who eventually solved the whole thing themselves.
>>51086009
>>51085749
Go back to: >>51085561
and read what I said.
It isn't about who's "right or wrong," I know very well the U.S. has and does the exact same things we criticize other nations for doing.
The point is, as it was all along, that Russia, nor any other nation, is in a position to punish the U.S. for its transgressions in the same way that the U.S. is capable of doing against Russia. If Russia wants to improve its economy, one of its best partnerships is with the West, and the West isn't going to allow that until Russia eases its aggression along its border and relaxes its current foreign policy.
If you can't understand this by now and are still going on with the "But the U.S. did this also!" spiel, then you're hopeless.
>>51086146
i said that your sanctions ain't working on russia and you ignored me
at least now I can leave this shithole, it wouldn't be possible if I still were in the USSR
The problem with the collapse of the USSR is that it has given US and Neo-Liberal capitalism unchallenged power in the world, you also have shock doctrine which fucked over the people of Russia, Central Asia and many Eastern Bloc countries also it has been bad for workers in Western countries, since the "threat of communism" always meant that those in power had to at least follow through with many promises and programs for the working classes, now the USSR is gone you see austerity everywhere and welfare systems stripped away as the Western world moves towards Chicago Capitalism.
The best outcome would have been a USSR that survived, but implemented "Scandinavian Socialism" and better freedom of expression like what Glasnost and Perestroika were supposed to do before the dirty fucking Poles and Balts backstabbed based Gorby.
>>51086146
>nor any other nation
see >>51085962
>>51086146
>is in a position to punish the U.S. for its transgressions in the same way that the U.S. is capable of doing against Russia
and that means absolutely nothing. it's literally just a 'might makes right' attitude that permits for global tyranny, the thing russia is defensive about which is why they bothered interfering in ukraine
you've yet to explain to me how the USA is truly justified in what it does when russia isn't. i mean you can't be punished so you're the good guys, is that the argument?
>>51086146
In other words sergay is going to have to drop his ego, and bend over for western cock of "democracy" as they come to exploit their resources and people.
what you think russians are stupid about what the west really needs russia for?
>>51086216
Not him, but Russia is literally trying to overturn the democratic choices of former republics. That's why it isn't justified.
>>51086146
I guess selling cheap weapons to Mexico would be smart move. I just wondering who will it be.
>>51086261
>overturn the democratic choices of former republics
>>51086009
>>51086261
>Ukrainian election
>Democratic
>Literally banned any party they thought was Russian sympathizing.
>The majority of them are better off than Russia now. Try reading those HDI charts you aussies love so much.
Not really look how eastern europe ended up e.g Poland, the Baltics, they went to hell after the SU collapsed
>>51086264
massive beheadings and based men like trump taking advantage of america's stupidity
>>51086308
what clue do you have about eastern europe you kangaroo fuckwit?
you fuckers are on par with americans when it comes to have any facts.
>>51086264
we should just get nukes desu, start with nuclear power like Iran and then move on to nukes
that way we would be able to have a functional democracy withou any country fucking with us, it worked for india, china and the ussr
>>51086308
>mentioning poland
here's your reward
>>51086357
>>51086305
You understand that Crimea did literally the same thing but kicked out all the Ukrainian sympathizers, right?
>>51086308
The average quality of life is far higher in those places today than it was under the Soviet Union or Soviet influence. That's a fact.
>>51085993
>Try reading those HDI charts you aussies love so much.
USSR actually had a HDI 0.100 points higher than they are now. It was a country with a very high HDI. (.750 is the average now I think while .890 was where it was under USSR)
>>51086419
Immediantly after the SU collapsed the quality of life dropped drastically...
The Eastern Eurpeans were living off rations because of what happened during the 90s
>>51085343
Why is Poland not riding horse or invisible tank?
who can't stop them?
>>51087103
dammit, it's CAN
>>51086503
And now it has greatly surpassed what they had under Soviet rule/influence. That was the point you dense cunt.
>>51087188
poland is now considered the mexico of europe
>>51086419
Standard of living increased exponentially in the 20th century amongst Russians due to Soviet influence that is a fact.
>>51087246
No it's not
>>51087551
even the polish people here have told me that
>>51086189
why would you want to leave moldova?
>>51087748
wew
>>51087383
> ignoring the point this badly
>>51084073
There's no better way to put it really
>>51084540
Prove me wrong fucktard
>>51088397
well argentina, and chile are still being shitholes
Actually there is no need for a communist Soviet Union, i prefer a militarily strong Russia.
>>51089715
>Actually there is no need for a communist Soviet Union,
why not?
>>51089715
This.
>>51089737
capitalism is not that bad if you have strong government regulation. There are better alternatives because, come one, nobody here really wants to live in a soviet system country. Well, maybe third worlders yeas, but civilized people want to live in wealthy societies.
We profited a lot from being the extreme border of the American empire but thanks to fascism we were able to share wealth.
>>51089737
It didn't turn out very well for the ordinary folks in the long run.
>>51086203
>"Scandinavian Socialism" in a country where toilet paper is scarce goods
top kek
>>51089812
>nobody here really wants to live in a soviet system country
yeah in the west, but the east is another story, now they are all hopeless shitholes
>>51089908
for example I am a strong promoter of communism in one country: Poland
>>51089972
I on the other hand am a strong supporter of Islamic Communism in Italy. Avanti Mohammed!
>>51090025
Kek!
>>51090025
>>51089972
I gladly offer you both muslims churkas and commie-babushkas, take as much of them as you want.
>>51082554
we finally had Coca-Cola® , it was worth it
>>51082554
you're welcome
