What countries do you think will be Great Powers in 2040? My opinion in alphabetical order:
China
India
UK
US
>UK
lmao
>>53084786
>UK
?
>>53084786
>UK
>Great Power
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>UK
nice try
>UK
lol
>>53084821
>>53084839
>>53084848
Hello lads. I am glad you made it to my thread. Please make yourself at home.
>UK
>UK
>>53084786
>India
Oh no, not the poo bombs!
>UK
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Greater China
Slavic Empire
Islamic State
Is everyone going to spam the thread now. Oh well I tried.
>>53084786
I agree with your ordering wholeheartedly
>UK
This is a prediction made by NIC of US
>>53084786
>stability
he sure looks very stable in that position
>>53084786
>UK
>uk
>>53084786
>UK
India has too much poverty, like Africa levels
UK
LOL
UK over USA
LMAO
>>53084941
>Slavic Empire
A man can dream.
But you would be nothing without Russia. And Russia is way too shit nowadays with all the shitty economy and multinational tolerant politics.
>UK
>Great
UK LOL!
>all this jealousy
>India
>UK
lmao
>>53085091
>nobel prize
thats jewshit.
Can someone at least say why they don't think the UK will be a Great Power in 2040?
Indications are that we will be at least top 3 or 4 in most elements of power:
Top 4 economy
Top 3 navy/power projection
Top 1 or 2 in soft power
Nuclear weapons and permanent security council members etc.
So I don't understand your reactions. Can someone explain?
Finland
Estonia
Finnish Overseas Territories
New Zealand
K U R D I S T A N
U
R
D
>>53084950
>>53084786
same fag
>>53085204
No it's not me
>>53084786
1-USA
2-China
3-Russia
4-India
>>53084786
Why does he stand like that
>>53085151
The fact you put yourselves above USA
>>53085151
>Top 4 economy
lol
>>53084786
1.Israel
2.China
3.America
4. india
>>53085242
>The fact you put yourselves above USA
It's an alphabetical order you moron. I did it alphabetically to try and avoid insulting anyone. Wow I didn't think anons were THIS stupid.
>>53085246
>lol
Pic related and link related
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12068319/Booming-Britain-to-become-worlds-fourth-largest-economy-as-France-and-Italy-face-G8-exclusion.html
>>53085151
Topkek. Germany has more of a chance of being within the top 4 than you tea sippers
>>53084968
>India will overtake the UK soon
>>53085151
It depends what you mean by great power. Right now China, USA, Germany, Japan, Russia and arguably India, France Brazil have more influence on the world than the UK
>>53085235
because he can
>>53085297
>i-it's just alph-phabetical order
holy shit this damage control
>>53085324
No they don't, Germany is in decline. See >>53085297
>>53085325
India should have overtaken us ages ago, they have over a billion people. During the British Empire, India had a larger economy than the UK.
Anyway, India will overtake us but we will definitely pass Germany and have a good chance of taking Japan too. So we should move up to 4th place. We were 3rd at our peak in the Victorian Era.
>>53085297
France and Italy don't face any exclusion, well done citing a literal non-newspaper
>m-muh predictions
Yes, exactly like the last crisis. And Japan has overtaken the USA. USSR is America's competitor.
Great. The world doesn't change, everything will keep going like it is at the moment.
>Top 1 or 2 in soft power
This is also lol. You are just using that because you are currently (in one of several rankings) the #1 (which was Germany the year before and I think the USA before that).
>>53084786
> UK
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>53085151
>Top 4 economy
UK isn't even top 4 right now and India is going to surpass you in the near future.
>Top 3 navy/power projection
[citation needed]
>Top 1 or 2 in soft power
Denmark is a top10 soft power. It's a literally worthless.
>Nuclear weapons
Meaningless as long as you're in NATO.
>permanent security council members etc.
Nothing is permanent.
>>53085297
>on 4chan
>avoids insulting
>>tumblr
>>plebbit
>>/out
>UK
>UK
>>53085023
>But you would be nothing without Russia.
We were actually A THING without pesky asian mongols sticking into our business.
Fuck off back to steppes, Moskal. Russia was always a poor shithole.
>>53084786
>tfw UK is less powerful than street shitters.
Quebec
Poland-Russian Union
France
>>53085433
>UK isn't even top 4 right now and India is going to surpass you in the near future.
We are top 5 right now. India will surpass us, but we'll surpass Germany and Japan. Becoming the top European economy will also give us a boost
>[citation needed]
It should be common knowledge but pic related will do. That's the situation in 2015, we're in the top 3, and in the next decade the navy is going to expand including 2 new aircraft carriers and more overseas bases.
>Denmark is a top10 soft power. It's a literally worthless.
Only worthless when you're too weak to combine it with other forms of power, such has hard power and economic power.
>Meaningless as long as you're in NATO.
No it isn't, nuclear weapons are a diplomatic tool. They buy you access to the top tables of diplomacy.
>Nothing is permanent.
Bear this in mind as you read the first line of your post again.
>>53085599
>we'll
Why don't we just use the growth rates from 2010 and use them as our base for forecasts? Back then Germany had a growth rate of 4.1% and the UK only 1.5%. Well, guess the UK will never even come close to our size :) Too bad
>>53085433
India will never surpass us until they can at least construct a functioning first world sanitation system
>>53085553
So you really think that if you add ex-yu chehoslovakia and ukraine you would be a thing?
You are either deluded or buttmad about Russia.
You are nothing withour Russia.
>>53085404
>>53085586
You guys are so stupid. I said in the OP it's alphabetical order. I'm not commenting on which of those countries will be more powerful. Alphabetical is the most neutral way I could write the post.
>>53085654
Because it's about more than projecting past growth rates forward. If you only take past GDP into account then you're an idiot. You have to take things like pic related into account. (UK is roughly equal to the US in this chart).
And no, millions of illiterate young gentlemen from MENA will not make up the shortfall
>>53085741
You should learn french if you wanna to live in a relevant country.
Tu dois étudier français si tu veux habiter une pays pertinente.
>>53085680
India GDP growth
2007: 9.8%
2008: 3.9%
2009: 8.5%
2010: 10.3%
2011: 6.6%
2012: 5.1%
2013: 6.9%
2014: 7.3%
UK GDP growth
2007: 2.6%
2008: -0.5%
2009: -4.2%
2010: 1.5%
2011: 2.0%
2012: 1.2%
2013: 2.2%
2014: 2.9%
>>53085591
>France
Top kek. France and Bongistan will be part of ISIS by then.
>>53085741
>Because it's about more than projecting past growth rates forward. If you only take past GDP into account then you're an idiot. You have to take things like pic related into account. (UK is roughly equal to the US in this chart).
You'd have to be an idiot to think it won't change. Russia had the same problem (even worse) and its population is growing faster than the USA's now
Again: Japan surpassed or is equal to the USA. Oh, that didn't happen
>And no, millions of illiterate young gentlemen from MENA will not make up the shortfall
But it's the same in your country, just that you get more Africans, Pakistanis and Indians.
>>53085846
Good one Ivan
>>53085923
That anon was indulging in some banter. It's obvious that India will overtake us. That's nothing to be ashamed of, historically even when we were much more powerful, we had a smaller economy than China and India
>>53085923
thanks, pajeet.
>>53084786
repoting in
>>53085967
>Russia had the same problem (even worse) and its population is growing faster than the USA's now
Meant the birth rate. If Russia's death rate wasn't that high their population growth would be pretty high.
>>53085967
>But it's the same in your country, just that you get more Africans, Pakistanis and Indians.
Wrong!
Except for the Indians, but the Indians we get are highly educated.
>You'd have to be an idiot to think it won't change
There is space for that ratio to change but not by much. You have to understand there are two important variables in that ratio. Turning up the birth rate doesn't make your old people disappear. You need dramatic increases in the birth rate, and/or high immigration (of people who can integrate into the workforce!) to bring your graph to the UK's level
When will the UK go mobile and become the world's largest aircraft carrier?
>>53086177
>If you can send back some of those Indians, that'd be great.
>>53086289
After 2020 once Big George is Prime Minister
>>53086332
Sorry but I need them for my GDP
>>53086177
I wasn't talking about immigration.
>Over a quarter of births (26.5%) in 2013 were to mothers born outside the UK, a slight increase from 2012 (25.9%).
>The total fertility rate (TFR) for UK born women has fallen to 1.79 from 1.90 in 2012.
>The TFR for non-UK born women has fallen to 2.19 from 2.29 in 2012.
>Poland, Pakistan and India were the three most common countries of birth for non-UK born mothers in 2013.
>Pakistan remains the most common country of birth for non-UK born fathers between 2008 and 2013, followed by Poland and India.
>>53086177
It could change like in this picture (with a much lower death rate = higher growth), the same could happen to your country, just that it'd go down (which it does).
>>53085923
To be fair India basically does whatever it wants to increase it's GDP including worker and environmental exploitation, the UK abides by international laws and in that sense is constrained by them, so I'm not really surprised by those figures. At some point it's going to become a major problem for them.
>>53084786
>UK
>powel
toplel
>>53086390
>It could change like in this picture (with a much lower death rate = higher growth)
Germany is not Russia. Germany already has a low death rate, there is not much space to push it down. The birth rate need to rise like phoenix. Conchita was right.
>I wasn't talking about immigration.
I was talking about immigration, obviously. That's how the new younger people are coming into Germany. I don't blame you for wanting to change the subject.
>>53086493
India has fast growth because it's poor. It could follow all international laws and still would be growing fast until it became advanced
>>53086582
>Germany is not Russia. Germany already has a low death rate, there is not much space to push it down. The birth rate need to rise like phoenix. Conchita was right.
That's exactly what I said? Germany has a low death rate, Russia doesn't. Russia would grow like fuck if its death rate was as low as ours. Our birth rate wouldn't have to rise a lot to get even a little bit of growth
>>53086582
>I was talking about immigration, obviously. That's how the new younger people are coming into Germany. I don't blame you for wanting to change the subject.
what does that have to do with "changing the subject"? I told you you are getting people like that too, just from inside the country, not from outside. There's almost no difference, your growth doesn't come from native Brits
>>53086830
>I told you you are getting people like that too, just from inside the country, not from outside. There's almost no difference, your growth doesn't come from native Brits
But that's wrong, it is not the same. Children who are brought up in the British education system do not become illiterate, they do not lose an education they gain one. And they are more likely to share British values if they're born and bred here, rather than come here from abroad.
>>53085399
>5760 x 3840
God bless you
>>53085997
Good one Nigge(r)l
S U C C E S S
B R E E D S
J E A L O U S Y
Given a lot of countries are developed and have large economy in 2040, the concept of Great Powers - a few countries' monopolization of power - would be obsolete.
>>53087230
Hey, nice EEZ
>>53087297
you too my friend
>>53087466
Kek nice. What battle was that British tactical, French strategic victory?
>>53087529
Glorious First of June
the Battle of Corunna also had the same result
>they don't understand that special relations makes us a US state and thus super powerful
>>53087466
>>53087529
Based
>>53087825
Interesting battle, thank you. I had never heard of it.
>>53085728
Says who,pidor?
Russia is a shithole.
>>53087466
>UK
>Invaded
it's like it was in Iraq. One country does 99% of a job, while the UK sends 2 and a half soldiers
>hurrr durrr we invaded Iraq and fought like lions
>itt britain still can't concede the empire's gone
>>53084786
>India
They can't even poo in the loo.
>>53088753
OP here, the empire is long gone and I don't expect it to come back. Indeed a colonial empire would be a huge waste of taxpayers money. You don't need an empire to be a great power, and there are other ways to expand one's influence
>>53084786
>UK
cute
>>53084786
>Great Power
>UK
>>53084786
>UK
No need to list it twice Nigel
>>53084786
KHALISTAN
>>53084786
>UK
>>53088753
>itt 3rd worlders laugh at richer/more powerful countries
fixt
>>53089491
>UK
>more powerful
>>53084786
>UK
>>53089596
I'll make an exception for the US
>muh slav hordes of millions
>>53089683
What kind of power your country has?
>>53089896
Your power is tables?
>>53090060
yes (and having twice your GDP)
>>53085599
>We are top 5 right now. India will surpass us, but we'll surpass Germany and Japan.
Japan has 120 million people. You will never surpass them.
Top Economics in 2030:
1. China
2. US
3. India
4. Japan
5. Germany
6. Russia
7. UK
>>53090451
>GDP (PPP)
>Russia
$3.474 trillion
>UK
$2.660 trillion
>UK
>>53090451
the only twice thing your country has is arabian and nigger dick in your asshole
>>53091129
>muh PPP
meanwhile, indonesia is a world power
>>53091224
good banter mate, gave me a giggle
>UK
>>53090863
>Japan has 120 million people. You will never surpass them.
Yes we will. We are in a Single Market with 500 million other consumers. The market is about to go digital and open up properly to services. Eric Schmidt mentioned the potential of this with regards to e-commerce
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35196245
We have loads of other advantages over Japan. Larger workforce, much less debt, more stable location, more open economy, more modern economy - the UK is the first big western country where services exports will outstrip goods exports in value. That matters because services retain a higher value while manufacturing is mostly a race to the bottom.
>>53091292
He is not wrong you know.
You are turning into a Paki colony.
>>53091461
I meant YOUNGER workforce
>>53091524
depends how much you believe cherry-picked daily mail articles and photos from shitty london boroughs are really representative of our country
which according to everything i see here, you guys seem to
>>53091524
>2 million muslims
>60 million population
>>53091792
>Muslims
>Not having a minimum 4 kids
You can't get rid of them. Your country is doomed. By 2030 that number will at least double.
>>53084786
>UK
>great power
hahahahahaha
here is my opinion:
USA
China
Russia
Brasil
EU (if it federalizes)
>>53091847
>Brazil
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
>>53091792
65 million
>>53091830
Not really
many Muslims that are in the middle class or higher class muslims that are at my uni are either an only child or have one younger or older brother or sister.
>>53084968
>Nuclear weapons and military spending
Fuck off will India beat us at those in 2030
>>53089596
Come at us bro. See what happens.
>>53090863
>>53091461
And Japan is fucked economically. They're in a debt spiral, and they have an large ageing population.
>>53092004
india is already beating you though
>>53091847
>EU (if it federalizes)
I would agree only if each nation can decide on boarder control.
Also their should be a law which makes people integrate into our society. If they dont they will have to leave.
>>53084786
tier 1
US
China
tier 2
Japan
Germany
South Korea
UK
>>53092156
I would much rather like it if the interior borders of the EU get deleted and the exterior borders of the EU become more militarized and guarded than the Korean DMZ
Also mass muslim deportation just to be safe
>uk
We'll be winning the world cup first
>>53085599
>but we'll surpass Germany and Japan.
>>53092275
>Also mass muslim deportation just to be safe
Yh however if they can integrate within a few months they can stay if they can''t then they get deported.
But knowing Muslims they can't Integrate
US
China
India
EU (Post-Caliphate)
>>53092158
>South Korea
Doubt it. Hong Kong and Singapore have a greater economic influence right now, and I doubt that will change
>>53092471
Their position at innovation index and r&d general is good, but their population is too low.
>>53092374
Genuine question, what do you guys think "Great Power" means?
When I made the thread I did not mean it as "superpower"
>>53084786
Portugal
Senegal
Nigeria
South africa
>>53084786
Kurdistan
Palestine
Assyria
Ukraine
Iran
Syria
Iraq
>>53092558
They could probably be considered a tier 3, along with Hong Kong, India, Singapore and possibly Taiwan
>>53092573
POO
IN
THE
LOO
>>53092788
Don't think so, but maybe. It's really hard to guess for 2040 anyway. It's just my opinion.
US
Russia
France
Poland
China
interesting stuff
http://www.techinsider.io/20-developing-cities-with-the-fastest-growing-economies-2015-9
>Swaziland becomes superpower 2020
>>53093233
>Kurdistan invades US by 2020
It's highly unlikely we'll lose our status, India will probably join the club though, France and Russia will maybe go downhill
By 2040 we will all be cucked by robots anyway so things could change a lot.
>>53092471
I thought SK had more soft power and GDP than both Hong Kong and Singapore combined.
>>53093117
>France
>Poland
>>53093390
>India will probably join the club though, France and Russia will maybe go downhill
That was my reasoning too. When you add India, and remove France and Russia, you get the 4 countries I put in the OP.
I see your picture has Germany and Japan but I don't think they can be seriously considered as Great Powers
>>53093565
You're probably right about Germany and Japan, they forfeited their rights to the top table in WW2
>>53093390
>being UK 1938
we were still an empire until we gave away Hong Kong
As you speak right now. Chinese and Russian secret agents are working together to take over America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_100_Years
>>53085151
>soft power
ahh that meme again
>>53093869
i love this book...
>>53093709
At the very minimum I think nuclear weapons are necessary for Great Power status.
>>53093941
remove burger
>>53094030
remove ruskie and germans...
burgers will remove themselves
>>53094106
deal fa.m.
btw visit polonezköy if you haven't already, it's pretty based.
t. tourism pro
>>53086493
True... We will grow because of our sheer numbers, India has more poor than middle class and mostly the growth will be driven by poor becoming middle class..
Also our growth depends on our current govt keeping the course and staying in power for the future... If Indian Congress makes a comeback we are fucked for sure
>>53093941
>2020 China fragments
return of an emperor would be cool desu
>>53094257
i think i would sometime in the future.
this places history is mad as fuck 2bh
>>53094397
idd. its nature is pretty good too. anyway im off lad
>>53094340
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_100_Years#Revision_of_predictions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywrjTZrEgF4?t=2m41s
>it's in english
>>53084786
US, China, Brazil, and the EC-European Caliphate.
>>53092129
NK can at least say it has the most submarines in the world.
Outdated cold war submarines.
>>53085399
That looks like something out of a dystopian future novel.
>>53084786
>this thread
>>53084786
>UK
>Great Power
>>53096955
Thanks for supporting my point with that graph
kazakhstan
Is the best country in the world
>>53084786
>UK
haha what
I know you guys are deluded but come on now
>>53097285
Can you explain why you think we won't be a Great Power?
>>53097359
see: >>53096955
You are not even a top 4 economy, and your PPP is too low.
>>53097448
>memestats
>>53084821
>>53084839
>>53084848
The UK already is considered a Great Power you ignorant cucks.
>>53084786
NO.
>>53097448
We're a top 5 economy and slated to become a top 4 economy. PPP has no bearing on power. PPP stands for Purchasing Power Parity, it's about cost of living.
Russia is considered a Great Power by many today, its economy is 13th. France is also considered a Great Power, it is 6th.
Can you put together a coherent argument please?
>>53097542
>We're a top 5 economy and slated to become a top 4 economy.
Your slated to be knocked out of the top 5 by India. Russia and Brazil have a better chance of being top 5 than you by 2040.
>>53097702
>Your slated to be knocked out of the top 5 by India.
Read the thread. We're slated to be overtaken by India, but the same forecast says we will overtake Germany and Japan ourselves. One step back and two steps forward puts us into 4th place.
>Russia and Brazil have a better chance of being top 5 than you by 2040.
My sides! Are you the entertainment?
>>53092129
>North Korea
>All those submarines
for what purpose?
>>53097542
>PPP doesn't matter for economic power
>hurdur Japan lost 30% of its economic power in 2013
Okay guys here's the simple nominal versus PPP answer to settle the perrenial debate.
Nominal:
Lots of fluctuations
Exchange rates are generally not free floating
Doesn't measure living standards well
Accurate for trade measurement and financial services
PPP:
Measures living standards well
Less volatile
Inaccurate for trade and financial services
Overestimates some countries economic power (power being ability to utilize the economy to make other countries do what you want)
The best measurement:
An IMF based measurement of the nominal GDP value in terms of the six SDR currencies averaged over 5 years. This averages the best traits of both PPP and nominal.
>>53097702
>Russia and Brazil have a better chance of being top 5 than you by 2040.
Russia had a huge demographic collapse and only recently reversed it, their education system is also shoddy and their economy isn't exactly in the best shape. It will take them 15-20 years just for policies today to boost the number of people in the work force.
Brazil also has huge infrastructural problems and their economy was based upon heavily exporting to China which has slowed down.
Brazil and Russia will be Great Powers, but they won't overtake the UK.
>>53097845
to protect the coastal waters from intrusion.
>>53097886
I recognise you and expect better from you. This is a cheap and lazy post. Let's look at your greentext:
>PPP doesn't matter for economic power
>hurdur Japan lost 30% of its economic power in 2013
These two statements do not logically follow. I can believe the first statement, reject the second and agree with your conclusion:
>An IMF based measurement of the nominal GDP value in terms of the six SDR currencies averaged over 5 years.
Because your conclusion is a modified nominal GDP, it does not use Purchasing Power Parity. It is less volatile - that does not make it PPP.
Put simply, relative cost of living for citizens has NO relevance to a state's economic power on the international stage.
>>53084786
Why is he standing there with the wide legs like a complete tosser? Is somebody about to crawl through his legs or something?
Stratfor and Friedman seem to think Poland and Turkey will become great powers by 2050 (or was it just within 100 years?)
>>53091847
>>53094827
>>53097702
>>53097901
>Brazil
top kek
>>53098207
>Friedman
That jewish idiot thought poland and turkey would have 10 percent GDP growth in 2015-2016
>Now poland is at 1.7% and turkey would be -2%
>>53098207
They also think Russia will Balkanize.
>>53098075
Well I stand by what I posted.
You said PPP has no bearing on power.
I would assume since you are arguing using nominal figures, you believe nominal has bearing on power.
The truth is neither nominal nor PPP are accurate, nominal simply is a little more accurate because the large PPP countries are generally still backwards. But both measurements have bearing on power.
You can't possibly argue that Japan lost 30% of its economic power or Russia 70% in one year because exchange rates changed.
I stated in my post that PPP tends to overstimate economic power( the ability to use the economy to exert influence.)
I argue for a nominal value based upon a basket of currencies that is less volatile, because volatility is what kills accuracy.
>>53084786
Portugal
Argentina
Serbia
Finland
New Zealand
>>53084786
China, US, Russia.
also,
>India
>UK
lol
>Britbong purposely omits France from a list of great powers, obviously hoping to cause frog butthurt
>gets bantered to death
/INT/ GREATEST ALLY
>>53098359
I wasn't defending pure nominal GDP as the best reflection of economic power, but while it is flawed it DOES at least reflect power. I am not arguing that Russia lost 70% of its economic power in one year, indeed in an earlier post I highlighted the fact that Russia is 13th yet seen as a great power as a reason why nominal GDP isn't a straightforward power ranking by itself.
The only useful thing I can see from GDP (PPP) measurements with regard to power, is that it puts high population countries near the top. Population amplifies economic power because it gives you a larger domestic market. But PPP is still unnecessary. All you need is the GDP nominal figure and the actual population.
What I disliked about your post is that you put words in my mouth - the argument is not a zero sum game. Criticising PPP does not mean I think nominal GDP is without problems. I agree with you that a less volatile measure is preferable.
>>53098716
>ally
even DPRK could start a thread about us and we'd still get the most shit mate
>>53098716
I honestly didn't mean to cause you butthurt, any more than I did to Russia, Germany and others I left out. I even resisted the temptation of doing a power ranking and put them in alphabetical order in order to avoid a shitstorm but it happened anyway.
I was hoping for more suggestions of top Great Powers in 2040. Instead I got
>UK
>UK
>UK
>>53098961
because the uk isn't even a power today and can't compete with the new emerging powers
the only thing you guys can brag about is defeating argentina which isn't really an accomplishment
>>53084786
>India
>UK
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
Nice one paki!
>>53099788
>because the uk isn't even a power today
What methods do you use to measure power?
USA please get your rambling dad out of his rocking chair and back to bed.
>>53100311
a mixture of military, economic, and living standards
you are on the same level as germany and france in terms of military, economy, and living standards.
germany has more power then you in the eu
you don't have power in abroad you don't have power in europe.
since I don't see germany as a world power why would I see a nation thats beneath germany as a world power?
>>53100819
Our military is on the same level as Germany's? I know I'm being trolled now
>>53101103
You are. Even Poland would win over Germany.
>>53101103
ya and germany's isn't something to write home about
>>53092129
look at that gap from the top 4 to britian and the rest
there's not much you can do alone with that few troops. you guys can't stand without NATO.
also 2 of your former colonies are higher than you.
>>53092158
Errr...
>>53093489
>Russia
>>53101334
To avoid embarrassing yourself like this in the future, I recommend actually learning about something before you talk about it.
And I don't mean linking to a GFP table. Get a grip, do some *basic* research and come back.
>>53084786
A great stance for a great power.
>>53084786 Russian Empire. And you still have loads of time to learn our language.
The Frogs deserve to be classified as a Great Power.
>>53101553
germany isn't a world power and you aren't a world power
do you remember the scandal when merkel found out that the nsa bugged her phone and the phones of her top officials. what did germany do about the fact that another country was spying on thier government? nothing, there was nothing they could do but stamp and pout since USA beats them economically and militarily. if the same situation were to happen with uk instead of germany the same result would happen.
>>53101649
>No articles
>how barbaric
>>53101800
Yup
>>53084786
>UK
If it's even still around.
>>53085001
So, room to grow and cheap labour?
>>53101966
>germany isn't a world power and you aren't a world power
You don't know anything about the German and British militaries so how can you possibly come to this conclusion
The British military has a GLOBAL presence and a blue water navy which is capable of supporting global operations. Would you like to compare this to the German military?
>>53102235
>couple of small as fuck overseas islands and ports
>WE WUZ WORLD POWER N SHEIT
kek
How about you first overtake Germany in terms of economy
>>53085151
>Top 4 economy
Not by a long shot. And even then, we have another property bubble growing in the South East, that's going to cause problems.
>Top 3 navy/power projection
Nope, top 10 maybe...
But even then, we can't maintain it, we're spending far more than we have to maintain a fleet we really don't need. Hence, why so many shipyards have closed.
>Top 1 or 2 in soft power
Complete meme.
>>53085297
>the Torygraph
>>53102235
its laughable that you think that tiny amount of spread out as fuck bases and ports means you have a strong military.
you are not a world power
>>53102359
>couple of small as fuck overseas islands and ports
Air bases, army bases, some navy ports big enough to service aircraft carriers and many that can supply warships. Moving between them we have an auxiliary fleet and aerial logistics second only to the Americans.
If you weren't a drooling moron you would understand that global military power is built on logistics, a worldwide network is necessary, if you don't have it you can't act. It doesn't matter how many tanks, or fighter aircraft you have, when you can't put them where you want them.
>>53102617
Here we go, I wondered when you'd get desperate enough to change the subject to "USA strong"
I know you're an idiot, but you must remember that you said our military is on the same level as Germany's. I've presented proof of your bullshit and you're trying to change the subject. It's pathetic, you can't admit you are wrong.
Also just because the USA is a stronger world power doesn't mean the UK isn't a world power. This should be easy enough to understand. The British military is capable of global operations, therefore it is a global military power. Only three countries can be said to have this capability: the US, France and the UK.
Have you bothered to check German capabilities or is that beyond you? Even some wikipedia articles would do you some good. If you're older than 15 and unironically posting this stuff I'm going to laugh
4. Reich
China
Texas
Most of the planet will be a nuclear wasteland.
>>53103023
>I know you're an idiot, but you must remember that you said our military is on the same level as Germany's. I've presented proof of your bullshit and you're trying to change the subject. It's pathetic, you can't admit you are wrong.
germany doesn't need bases since there so close to the middle east the only region that matters to them militarily. just like the uk they are not a fighting nation and they know that.
the bases you posted are way too spread out to really be effective against a sudden threat. you know the reason why you have so few bases, because you have no oversea interests you need to protect besides the falklands which you have 3 bases on and is useless.
>>53103023
The UK is a joke.
The whole thing will implode within the next decade or two.
>>53103747
Mexico stronk
>>53103023
>logistics is more important than any amount of tanks and drones you have
do brits really believe this, especially in modern warfare when it's mostly counter insurgency?
>>53092099
Come at us bro. See what happens.
>>53103792
yep our economy is growing.
>>53103837
>Current temperature in Moscow: -21°C
US
Russia
China
The Confederacy of Europe
>>53103672
>germany doesn't need bases since there so close to the middle east the only region that matters to them militarily.
I'm pretty sure even you don't understand yourself. One of the UK's most valuable bases is Cyprus, because it allows the RAF to project air power over all the Middle-East hotspots without needing an aircraft carrier. Needless to say, this is something the Germans can't do.
>the bases you posted are way too spread out to really be effective against a sudden threat
Just... what? The point of the bases is to keep a military force supplied and allow projection of power. Since the British does operate globally all year round, and has successfully pulled off independent military operations in places as far away as the Far East (Malaysia), Africa (Sierra Leone) and the South Atlantic (Falklands), I'm unsure why you think the network is inadequate.
>because you have no oversea interests you need to protect
There's another big fat lie.
>>53103718
The punchline of the joke is this post coming from an Austrian. I mean, really. Steady on.
>>53103023
Yeah an island like Pitcairn with 56 inhabitants in the middle of bumfuck nowhere sure provides great logistical advantages, kek
And please don't call yourself a world power. The only world power is the USA. You keep bragging about power projection but you probably can't even put more than 1500 marines on land if you tried
>>53104285
Pitcairn doesn't provide any advantages, except scientific ones (the marine reserve several times larger than the UK).
Places like Gibraltar, Singapore, Cyprus, Ascension and Bahrain have huge logistical and strategic value. It can hardly be overstated.
>And please don't call yourself a world power. The only world power is the USA.
You're getting "world power" confused with "superpower". There are several countries which have worldwide influence, the UK is just one of them.
>>53084786
Moldavia
Belarus
Poland
Lithuania
>india
I can imagine them trying to mobilize for war only to face hygiene issues worse than those experienced in WWI.
>>53104285
I don't think you know what world power even means
>>53092129
>tfw most of russia's tanks are old dilapidated crap.
>>53103836
>do brits really believe this
You don't believe in the overriding importance of logistics? That is very strange coming from an American.
It's not just Britain you need to learn about. You don't understand US power, either.
>>53092158
What planet are you living on?
>>53084786
>UK
>Great Power by 2040
It's more likely that you win 1 Eurocup by then than this.
Which is extremely unlikely btw senpai.
>>53084786
If I had to list the great powers now it would be:
1. USA
2. China
3. UK
4. France
5. Germany
6. Russia
7. Japan
8. Saudi Arabia
9. Italy
10. Brazil
>>53104853
Not by 2040, *in* 2040
We can't become a great power if we already are one.
>>53085091
>that pic
>my hometown actually did something
India great poower
>>53104276
>Cyprus, because it allows the RAF to project air power over all the Middle-East hotspots without needing an aircraft carrier.
your contribution through airstrikes is honestly negligible
also cyprus does not grant you access to all of the middle east.
>The point of the bases is to keep a military force supplied and allow projection of power.
you aren't projecting power. every place you have a base US has 10 more and they are the ones projecting their interests not your bases. look china a real super power that's the current greatest threat to the west and trying to spread its influence in africa and eastern europe. the us has numerous bases in aisa to project power and to protect its allies land claims like the senkaku islands. meanwhile uk only has 2 bases all the way in south east asia.
>There's another big fat lie.
besides the falklands what are protecting exactly? you created isreal and you couldn't even protect them and had to hand over control to the US after the shitshow of the suez crisis.
you are not a world power
>>53085151
I'm late but it seems like most of the posts against you are just messing with you bro. Ignore them.
>>53105191
>comparing the projected power of the UK/US
Clearly you missed out entire parts of his post or just didn't get the point
>>53104868
Put Germany above France and France above UK.
>>53105640
Good joke m8
>>53084786
>UK
lol okay
>>53105807
Why do the English always vastly overestimate their position in the world?