This thread is for discussing about Turkey and Greece.
btw who is best?
http://strawpoll.me/2685919
Turks are sandniggers, Greece all the way.
>>31159947
this
In terms of modernity: turkey
In terms of history: you're both equal if you see the history of turkey as a continuation of previous islamic empires that it succeeded
If not, then history goes to Greece
>>31159835
Thirst.
>Turks will defend this
>>31159970
>In terms of modernity: turkey
>In terms of history: you're both equal
>>31159534
"Vlach" is a pejorative. The correct term is "Aromanian". Your lack of education is evident.
>>31159607
Pretty ironic considering you people are the main burden of EU.
>>31159642
Thanks friend. I've never visited Romania and would definitely do that some day.
Cheers
>>31159655
Fuck this totalitarian shithole. I'm not giving my life for this "country" fighting some mountain savages. Only the most stupid sheeple are still living here.
>>31159970
>In terms of modernity: turkey
>In terms of history: you're both equal
kek (seriously though, kek)
>>31160058
>"Vlach" is a pejorative
No it is not. You made your name have this fame, just like gypsies did.
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=Vlach&allowed_in_frame=0
>Pretty ironic considering you people are the main burden of EU.
We are valuable for the EU, even with denbts
>>31160058
Albo's/Turks going to turn into Wild ape shit-skins within 10-20 years when FYROM goes to shit, watch . .
>>31160042
>>31160071
>I'm incapable of analyzing a political institution that is different than my own
>my own biases interfere with the academia of research
Sometimes I forget that I'm speaking with uneducated rednecks
>>31159970
lol?
>>31160170
Turkey is a backwards islamic shit-hole that produces nothing of value and entire economy built on construction.
There is nothing modern about Turkey other than their political propaganda
>>31159835
Greece:
Gave birth to Europa, subsequently the foundation of European history and thought, making it one of the most important nations on Earth. Played a huge role in the Roman Empire and protected Europe from Muslim hordes for many centuries.
Turks: Had one of the shittest, most illiterate empires in existance, contributed literally nothing to the planet and not an eyeled was batted when they collapsed because it really made no difference, polluted the Greek gene pool with their nasty asian/turko-semitic genes and now plague europe with their smelly hordes of big nosed, hairy kebab vendors.
>>31160224
>this incoherent when it comes to foreign countries
You may be considered smart in your backwater town, but making that argument in an academic setting will get you laughed at
Also I think I lost a few IQ points reading your stupidity
![African-admixture[3].gif](https://i.imgur.com/ThZwWGm.gif "African-admixture[3].gif")
>>31159253
Definitely not Greece. Fyrom did that to itself when it accepted 350.000 albanian refugees from kosovo.
Here is a more relevant map for you:
Both are shit, but Greece is worst.
>>31160242
>polluted the Greek gene pool
Where do you niggers come up with this? The only place in Balkans without any trace of East-Asian DNA is Greece & Albania.
Greece spent 1800-1950 killing Turks and removing all Greeks who converted to Islam, 150 years of non-stop sectarian fighting to remove any trace of Kebab, you negro.
Modern Turks are mostly Greek/Slavic blood because of all the Balkanites who were thrown into Turkey
>>31160253
I said in terms of modern states
Turkey seems to be doing better than greece which is still on the verge of bankruptcy
A glorious past is not a determining factor in the financial stability and capabilities of modern states
>>31160292
pls go back to Israel or something, we don't pay billions of dollars so turkjews can shill out of our country for their precious muslim friends.
Turkey is a cancer.
>>31160461
>can't offer a decent rebuttal
>get out
Go back and graduate from high school and then we'll talk
>>31160370
I, personally, don't really give many fucks about history.
I don't understand. What do you mean by modern state? Do you consider, for example, Brazil as a modern state?
Do you know about how backwards most Turks are?
>>31160058
>Vlach is a pejorative
Huh, that's interesting, Wallachia/Vlachia (Țara Românească) was the name used for us... sad it's pejorative in some areas, really quite sad.
>>31160568
Turks are white
>>31160370
>>in terms of modern states
>>Turkey
>terms of modern states
>Turkey
>of modern states
>Turkey
>states
>modern
>Turkey
>>31160568
However "backwards" turks are is not a deterrent by the government in Istanbul which runs the country. Had it truly been "backwards" then you would be seeing saudi esq laws, which you do not see in turkey.
>>31160656
>which you do not see in turkey
>Istanbul
>Turkey
>>31160656
I thought the capital of Turkey was in Ankara
>>31160640
>unable to analyze a foreign country that is not European
Why do you even come to /int/? You make americans look stupid
>>31160656
Shalom
Please collect your shekels from the front desk, you forgot yesterday
>>31160656
You didn't answer me.
What is a "modern state"?
>>31160703
JUDEN OUT
>>31160530
>implying Turkey isn't Big Islamic Armenia
>>31160784
No, Turkey is clearly cancer.
>>31160784
>>31160583
Greeks and turks are using it as a pejorative because they hate the Vlachs because of their hard working ethic based on productivity, their rich lobby groups and family businesses based on nepotism (like hiring or promoting only Vlachs, doing partnership only with fellow Vlachs etc)
Its a very dull and ticklish insult. I find it hilarious.
>>31160751
A state that is based off of a secular framework rather than religious doctrines and capable of providing financial stability and basic human freedoms
>>31160822
dude, shitposting and bantering turks is fun, but you are overdoing it in every thread...
>>31160875
Do you know anything about TUrkey you hook-nosed kike?
>>31160875
And Turkey is one of them?????
>>31160911
It seems that I more about it than you
Now please take some basic classes at your community college, knowing idiots like you are in my country who actually go out and vote gives me a migraine
>>31160945
Do you know nothing at all about the country that borders you? Has Greek education deteriorated this much over 10 years?
>>31160904
It's not me...
>>31160875
lol he said turkey is secular...
>>31161049
ok you 're baiting.
nothing to do here
>>31161119
Ignorance is bliss I suppose
>>31160990
Don't do it, he's trying to get you to take classes with his jewish professors and they're going to brainwash you about how turkey is secular and muslam is the light.
>>31161134
>unable to provide any decent evidence to counter my statements
>wanting validation rather than actual discussion
>>31161215
Please enlighten me, how is turkey secular?
>>31161215
stop shitposting kike
>>31161215
lol he said turkey is secular...
>>31161162
Yes, because God forbid you actually learn facts
>>31161250
Provide me proof that turkey is an islamic state like iran or Saudi Arabia and then we'll talk
>>31161215
With JEWS you LOSE
>>31161252
>I don't like what you're posting stop
Freedom of speech
>>31161264
Simple minds flock together
>>31161319
>>31159835
voted for turkey just to spite you for making retarded threads/polls
you're probably a dumb golden dawntard as well
>>31161319
Haha, butthurt kike is butthurt about Iran, nothing to see here, move on.
>>31161367
When is Russia taking Byzantine back?
>>31161367
>he'd dressed differently must mean turkey is an islamic state akin to iran and Saudi
Again I ask for proof, is it that hard for you? Can your mind not fathom the concept of research?
>>31161319
CIA database says they're 98% muslims.
>>31161215
yeah fuck off
>>31161449
just admit your defeat kike
>>31161460
Oh so you do not understand that an Islamic state is a state that bases its laws and regulations on the quran
That's not turkey
>>31161367
why are they dressd like jedis?
>>31161049
>Has Greek education deteriorated this much over 10 years?
yep
only subjects that have to do with science (math, physics, chemistry etc) have remained unaffected because the unionists know what's up and tell the SJW politicians to fuck off every time they try to dumb them down
ITT: /int/ getting rekt by a jew
top kek
>>31161507
>defeat
If anything you all look like idiots now thanks to >>31161460
So yeah thanks to the laugh
>>31161532
I never said Turkey is an islamic state but they're definitely not secular
>>31161576
at least we aren't kikes
>>31161628
>>31161580
>damage control
>>31161545
just because he's loud it doesn't mean that he's right but w/e
>>31161449
you can not prove that a state is not secular without providing a 100+ paged pdf.
But, we all know that Turkey is not really secular. Just ask a Turk about what is going on in the non coastal Turkey.
Also, this: >>31161503
>>31161667
>turk
>>31161580
The government of turkey does not provide funding the religious establishments in turkey
That's the core concept of what secularism is: the division and separation of religion from the sphere of government
>>31161628
Petty insults does not equal winning
>>31161756
they do when you are arguing with a kike
>>31161753
>implying turk
Greece, have you found out who is lying in that grave in Amfipolis yet? Is is Megas Alexandros?
>>31161275
A Jewish, Muslim, communist, homosexual liberal ACLU lawyerprofessor and abortiondoctor was teaching a class on Muhammad, known Turk. "Before the class begins," the Jewish abortion doctor said, "you must get on your knees and worship Allah and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!" At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Greek stood up, holding up a map of Turkey.
"How secular is this country, pinhead?"
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly. Smugly replied, "4.6 billion muhammads, you stupid Christian."
"Wrong. It's been less than 100 years since it was created. If it was so secular and allah, as you say, is real… then Turks should have evolved from cockroaches by now."
The professor was visibly shaken and dropped his chalk and copy of the Quran. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears (the same tears liberals cry for the "oppressed minorities", who today live in such luxury that most own personal sharia zones and jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators).
There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Abdulhammed Shekelweitz, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a dirty shill for islam. He wished so much that he had a scimitar to behead himself from embarrassment, but he himself had used taqiyya to convince himself Islam was a religion of peace!
The students all converted to Orthodoxy before accepting Christ as their lord and savior. The Holy Spirit itself flew into the room and perched atop the Byzantine banner, shedding a single tear. The Bible was read several times, and God Himself showed up and took all Turks back to Mongolia.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague "AIDS" when he slipped on a kebab entering one of those baths muslims are so fond of claiming they use. He was tossed into a lake of fire to rot for all eternity.
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>>31161756
Kindly GET THE FUCK OUT of this thread, fucking disgusting kike.
>>31161913
>T
>not turk
>>31161537
Actually, he looks like a Tusken raider.
>>31161998
10/10
>>31159835
>only 70% for grease
oh wow, you're running in the paraolympics and still are only barely ahead
>Grease
>ITT: Greeks and greek diaspora getting #BTFO
>>31161979
Either him or one of his sons.
But the legend says that some faggot king whose name I forget took his body from Greece to Alexandria (Egypt) so it doesn't matter much.
>>31161998
>>31162125
good one Albanian, go back to fucking your 1st cousin
>>31161998
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>>31162223
>I don't like other views that do not validate my own
>how dare he have free thought!
Forgive me for not circle jerking like the rest of you and actually bringing meaningful discussion to the table :-)
>>31162342
if Dubs new Holohoax in Israel
>>31161979
They say that it is probably not Alexanders's, because all ancient texts point to Aegypt.
Also, the architecture style of the tomb does not follow the macedonian norm that all the other macedonian king tombs follow.
It is suspected that it is probably one of his generals, his wife/child, or a general memorial for all the fallen from Alexander's campaigns.
Still, the tomb is huge. We have never seen anything like it. It is the biggest one in the Balkans.
>>31161998
10/10
>>31162197
ptolemy?
>>31162342
You are right.
Now get the fuck out.
>>31162395
You do not need to capitalize the second word, I know grammar must be difficult in the south, but you are representing America by taking part on this board.
>>31162460
I rather like it here :-) It makes me grateful that my parents told me to get an education.
>ITT: One Jew recking all these diaspora and redneck figgits and makes them buttmad
Today was a good day
>truth
>hurting
pick two
>>31162508
Yes Goy-Master
>>31159835
I vote for turkey
even though they're mudslime, they're hell of a lot better than some "greeks" (read: slav/albanian transplants with no genetic link to the ancient greece of antiquity)
>>31162508
yet you feel the urge to tell us that you are an orthodox kike
>>31162582
Good one Albo
Albanians #1 country, best country!
>>31162609
I'm not ashamed of who I am
>>31162630
I'm not albo you illiterate redneck, are you too busy sniffing crack cocaine with your whore-sister to be able to read sentences properly or what?
>>31162638
you should be
>>31160864
Noice, come here. There are a lot of Machedoni aici. Toti au viata buna pe aici...adica aromani.
>>31162713
I'm more ashamed for your ignorance and lack of a proper education
>>31162342
Simon is sweaty and frustrated already. "FUCKING ARYAN SCUM, I WISH YOU ALL EXTINCT, GETTING ALL THOSE SLUTTY GIRLS WITH YOUR PHYSIQUES AND BLONDE HAIR, I WISH YOU ALL GO EXTINCT" he bellows at his monitor. Simon is so upset, he hits his Applejack figure of his desk. Simon calms down for a while. "I'm sorry Applejack". Simon turns to his wall, which he has covered in JIDF, MLP and cuckold posters. In the middle of this unholy mess is a framed picture of dead Jews with the words "REMEMBER THE 66 BILLION". Simon salutes his wall and with a fiery passion for Israel, a foreign nation, in his heart he types endlessly, "Forgive me for not circle jerking like the rest of you..."
>>31162713
Why? He's a member of the Jewish peoples, a people who have history stemming back to biblical times. And guess what, unlike greeks, they actually have legitimacy on their claims that they are the descendants of their ancient israelite ancestors. Can we say the same about greeks who are an amalgamation (lol I bet you don't even know what this word means) of different ethnic groups ranging from slavs, to albanians and turks?
>>31162806
>if I post this surely he will see the error of his ways and stop posting!
lol
>>31162791
What the fuck do you know about what I know and what education I have been given, you fucking kike?
(inb4 you called me kike, that's how I know it)
>>31162806
>armenia
ok with all due respect, aren't you guys basically jews who converted to christianity because a coin rolled into a church?
>>31162809
For the record
Amalgamation: the action, process, or result of combining or uniting.
just in case the big word gives someone a headache trying to read it
>>31162806
That image you're using is hilariously out of context.
>>31162809
jews are fine
kikes are not
>>31162870
Clearly you aren't the brightest tool in the tool shed, though you are a tool.
>>31162922
explain
>>31162916
He's an orthodox jew, that's as jewish as it gets. Don't try to backtrack now.
>>31162704
>>31162809
You niggers spend all day bashing Greeks because of how inferior you niggers feel even though Greece hasn't done shit in a long time
>>31160357
Modern Turks = 70% Greek/Slavic blood 30% Turk/Kurd
Modern Greek = 70% Med Greek blood 30% Slav/italic/frank/spaniard
Difference between a assimilation power-house empire like Ottomans and a xenophobic tribal society like Greee
>>31162951
I don't hate Greeks.
I hate their fanbase.
>>31162944
No need to when whatever I'm saying goes in one ear and out the other. I'm basically talking to a wall that is capable of replying at this point.
>>31162951
>the purpose of this thread was to bash Turks
>H-how dare you turn the attention to the failure of the modern state of greece! It hasn't done anything!
The fact that it hasn't done anything to curb the possibility of bailing itself out of bankruptcy or providing financial stability to it's populace is the basic reason why Turkey is better.
>>31162951
How are we inferior? Unlike most other people, we btfo the greeks when they came to our neighborhood.
Why would anybody feel inferior to somebody who claims descent from an ancient civilization that was relevant thousands of years ago whose native populace are probably not related in any genetic manner to them, the current day "greeks". If anything I'd be more ashamed of being cuckolded by turks for hundreds of years, talk about humiliation.
>>31162809
>Jews have legitimacy
The modern Israeli state is compromised of 50-70% of people who come from Europe and are related to Greeks/Italians and the minority are the actual biblical Jews
>Greeks have no claim
Literally have a non-broken line of language/culture/blood-line through the use of religion extremism and xenophobia to protect themselves in their land
>KEK
>>31162951
>xenophobic tribal society like greece
so you are illiterate in matters of history as well as politics?
Had the greeks been a "xenophobic tribal society" then the Byzantine empire would have collapsed the moment the Arabs captured the key territories in the Middle east from them. If anyone was a tribal society, it was the Ottomans who conquered the Balkans and the middle east.
Please for the love of god, read a book.
>>31163076
>This nigger has not a single clue about Byzantine Empire
Whatever you say Rajev, indian/turk/arab . . whatever same mud-skin
>>31163029
>No need to when whatever I'm saying goes in one ear and out the other. I'm basically talking to a wall that is capable of replying at this point.
And that's what one says when he has nothing else to say.
>>31163138
I am talking after the collapse of Byzantine, during Ottoman Era, Greece collapsed into a local tribal system built around Orthodox enclaves mainly around the Islands.
This was done to keep the culture/blod/language secure until the time came for independence
Two types of taxes, Jizya and sending babies to ottoman military kept the peace while being opressed. .
I would think a Kike would know since they went through same things over last thousands years in Europe
>>31163085
Wrong
The modern day language of "Greek" comes from the Greek orthodox religion and the texts which were translated from original Aramaic and Syriac during the later days of the Ottomans
Modern day "Greek" is a mixture of Slavic, Arabic, and Turkish just like the rest of the Balkans
Also, the DNA component of Greeks is more closer to the Slavs who entered the Byzantine realm around the 1200s than they are to the greeks of Antiquity
>>31163085
>Literally have a non-broken line of language/culture/blood-line through the use of religion extremism and xenophobia to protect themselves in their land
Alright you uneducated inbred, how about we go through this one by one shall we?
>language
people in modern day greece didn't even speak greek, greek like hebrew is mostly a reconstructed language
>culture
oh you mean a culture that has a similar affinity to all other mediterranean countries, even islamic ones? The heavily ottoman influenced one you mean, right?
>religious extremism
you mean how the ottomans gave the dhimmi relative freedom, most greeks had converted to islam and live on in the progeny of the turkic invaders of anatolia and greece proper. The christian greeks are mostly, let me reiterate once again, albanians and slavs with minimal genetic influence from real greeks.
>>31163141
>I have no rebuttal at all so I'll resort to an ad-hominem attack on the perceived physical characteristics of the guy who just BTFO me
>>31163163
Stop replying, you're making yourself and your fellow greeks look like morons.
>>31163219
Except no
The Ottomans allowed the Greeks to remain in Istanbul and even allowed them to build their own orthodox church there, in every single greek village from the mainlands, to the Islands, there were Muslim settlers from Turkish and Arab lands, Greece never was at one point after the collapse of the Ottoman empire homogeneous, it wasn't until the population exchange of the 19th century when Greeks were truly homogenous, and by that time they had already intermingled with people of other races such as slavs, and even turks and arabs.
>these idiots
>capable of holding up a conversation or debate
I think I understand why people are so fond of primates, they make them laugh.
>>31163383
>>31163268
>people in modern day greece didn't even speak greek, greek like hebrew is mostly a reconstructed language
what the fuck am i reading here
>>31163476
The same thing you would had you googled it on an academic database rather than "wikipedia"
>>31163508
for example?
>>31163524
>for example?
of what? you want an academic database? Go to your universities website then click on library then database, it's not hard.
>>31163544
>can't name a single source
thought so
>>31163225
Slavic haplogroup accounts for around 15% >>31160357
Greek Haplogroups E3B and J2 account for 70%
>>31163268
Greek is a re-constructed language, I can agree with that, during the Early 1900's there was an intellectual movement called Katharavousa which brought in Ancient greek elements to the language and accounts for around 50% of modern words/phrases. Before this movement Greek was basically a simplified Byzantine Greek with little relation to Ancient Greek(I think, but not 100% sure)
> christian greeks are mostly, let me reiterate once again, albanians and slavs with minimal genetic influence from real greeks.
How can you call someone ignorant and then say something so ignorant . . .I thought kikes were good at debates and being logical?
Ever hear of the Greek genocide? 1 million Greek Orthodox murdered by Turks in 1910-1920 . .
Ever hear of Balkan Wars? almost 50 years of Greeks killing albanians and removing them from Greek lands . . The albanians converted to Islam and those that stayed christian and stayed in Greek lands were known as Arvanites, and were a distinct culture from the Greeks and lived along-side each other in peace even up to modern days.
>>31163298
Greeks are the most hardcore racist on Earth who consider Albos/Turks are sub-humans . . you have no understanding of what happened during this time.
Greeks who "mixed" with Turks could only produce islamic children you fool, same with Serbs.
All you have to look at is the countless genetic studies done.
The only region of Greece with any turkish influence is the border between Turkey/Greece where there are some turkish minority living in Greece
>>31163476
If we go back to the 1800s you'd find nobody in athens who could speak a lick of greek. I wouldn't expect a genocidal monkey to know anything about the countries in close proximity to them.
>>31163579
source?
>>31163605
your mother told me after I made her bray like a donkey
>>31163579
Athens was a ghost-town in 1800's you stupid nigger . .with only around 3-4,000 permanent residents, most Greeks during this time were living in one of the thousands of Greek islands which became safe havens during ottoman rule . . I bet you didnt even know that most of the islands resisted Ottomans for another 150-200 years after Constantinople fell?
It wasnt until recently that Athens was built up
>>31163561
I told you how to do it, you're perfectly capable of using your own mind to find it.
>>31163574
>. you have no understanding of what happened during this time.
It's written in history books extensively about the subject
>greeks are hardcore racists on Earth
except the majority of them are not, it's only the small percentage of uneducated idiots and diaspora, like yourself, on /int/
>some turkish minority
Did you not read the population exchange that I wrote? There are no Turkish minority in greece apart from the DNA of the greeks themselves that are mingled with slav and turkish
1 picture does not constitute a reliable source there Cleetus
>>31163685
>athens was a ghost town in the 1800s
holy shit my sides
Athens and Salonica were the biggest cities in the Ottoman empire, no where was it depopulated to 3-4,000 residents
who fed you this bullshit?
>>31163650
i know that having a lot of phone calls during a day tends to make people angry, but that's no reason not to give me a single source
>>31163703
i am. alas, it seems that you weren't capable finding a source yourself, which leads me to think about such heresies as you pulling the facts out of your very ass
>>31163769
Well, even if I was working the stereotypical telemarketer job, I'd still be making more than a serbian (:
>>31163769
If I was then I wouldn't have given you a detailed response in how to do it yourself
But I do understand, the evil turks are the reason you're unable to do it :-)
>>31163703
Typical Jew argument, I said so so its true!!!
Those Genetic maps are wrong!!!
Here are some more
>>31155397
>>31159253
>>31159835
Alright....
Greeks are Turks and Bulgarians
Turks are Greeks, Azeris, Bulgarians, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, Albanians...
Kurds are Armenian Muslims
Armenians are Kurdish/Iranian Christians
Georgians are Armenians
Syrians are Arabs and Arameans
Iraqis are Arabs, Kurds, Turkmens and Assyrians
Assyrians are glorified Syrians
Azeris are Iranians
Iranians are Arabs
Israelites are half European shoah-ites and half righteous Semitic Jews
Palestinians are Semitic Jewish converts to Islam
Lebanese are Arameans, Phoenicians and Arabs (Syrians)
Syrians are Arabs and Arameans
Iraqis are Arabs, Kurds, Turkmens and Assyrians
Assyrians are glorified Syrians
Did I get it right?
>>31163829
which wouldn't make you right in our small debate
>>31163834
hm, so you weren't capable? nice, i expected nothing more
>>31163875
>l-look here are more pictures I got off of google images with no reliability!!!
Nice logic there, let me see you write a thesis using those as a source, oh wait nevermind, you're incapable of doing that, and they won't be considered sources :( oh well..better luck next time
>>31163769
He's almost as bad as that Albanian guy who constantly posts that all Greeks are Muslims. He's literally just making shit up and deflecting from his own ignorance about how things actually are in the Balkans.
>>31163703
>There are no Turkish minority in greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_of_Western_Thrace
>>31163925
Duplicates there, woops
>>31163976
>instead refers to the entire muslim minority which includes Pomaks and Roma Muslims, and does not recognize a separate Turkish minority in Western Thrace
directly from your source, so thus, they are not turks :-)
>>31164028
Turks are called Greek Muslims in the census, done specifically to refuse them any sort of minority rights. It's literally the gold standard of what to do with any minority group.
>>31163944
>hm, so you weren't capable?
I'm perfectly capable, but you yourself are not.
rather than sit here and glorify your idiocy you could have searched it yourself by now and deleted your previous points
instead you sound like a typical idiot..err I mean serbian, sorry.
>>31164065
If they refuse to call them turks and instead call them Greek muslims, then by the government of the state of Greece they are Greek Muslims, not the "Turkish minority"
>>31164090
"With Jews, you lose!"
>>31164128
They call them Greek Muslims so Turkey doesn't have a CB against Greece. It's done to prevent Cyprus 2.0 from happening. I can call a cow a chicken, but it doesn't make it a chicken. It's literally a surface-deep term, at the end of the day: they're Turks.
Turks on /int/ seem like pretty cool guys, nowhere near as buttmad as Greeks. I don't dislike Greeks, but as far as /int/ goes, Turks are better company.
>>31159835
There is no competition, they are basically same countries in parallel universes. You can not understand modern day Greece and Greeks if you don't understand Ottomans. All this fucking hostility between two people happened in the last century. There are thousands of years of living together.
>>31164206
I am neither Greek nor Turkish btw but originally I am Anatolian. So i can look from a more objective perspective.
>>31164090
the fact that you're waving with non-existant sources and calling me out to find them tells me that you have no sources, or at least you haven't read any source claiming that. the fact that you had to resort to insults in order to "win the argument" or something and the fact that you use additional line between the sentences tells me that you're insecure about your words.
the conclusion? you've made a good progress on building your arrogance, but you have nothing to support it with. you're not really bad with presenting your opinion, but you have no real arguments to support it with.
>>31164189
>CB against Greece
This is not a video game, real life does not work like that. Jesus you're dumb lol
>>31164189
>at the end of the day: they're Turks.
at the end of the day they're just Greeks with a different religion, they're not Turkish insofar as they're greeks who converted to Islam under the ottoman empire
converting to a different religion =/= different race
>>31164206
How about no. Turks need to go back to mongolia
>>31164190
>>31164264
I already gave him 3-4 different genetic studies which he tossed aside as "false, lies/etc"
Some people there is no point in arguing . . especially with an idiot who thinks Turks living in Thrace are Greek Muslims(lol) because ofa census technicality
>>31164206
>There are thousands of years of living together.
u wot m8
>>31164264
Again, I told you what to search for, and how to get it, it's not difficult, nor is it hard. You're perfectly capable of getting every single thing I've stated in this thread as easily as a snap of a finger, i'm not inclined to post sources to links that the majority of people on this website, and this board, will be unable to enter without a university ID and password
>>31164190
This, Greeks here amazingly butthurt while their Turkish counterparts aren't. In real life they are about the same I guess.
>>31164190
>>31164349
>Say the muslims
>>31164279
Yeah. Countries can just go to war for no reason and the international community will just shrug. There has never been an instance where there needed to be a cause for war. Jesus fucking Christ you're retarded. Also, again you are insisting that they are the same group when there have been numerous maps/clusters showing this to be false; but you ignore it, cry for sources while providing none of your own, and generally just act like a sniveling kike throwing ad hominems at people while shrugging away from your own.
>>31164321
It's true. Greeks on /int/ are shit. Best times are when I am on a /tr/ thread.
>>31164323
>pictures found off google images = credible source
Are you dense or can you not fathom the difference between credible and uncredible? who did the genetic tests? was it a focus on the village population or city urban population? how long ago was the tests done? Basic questions that your "sources" do not answer
>>31164279
>Greeks with a different religion
That is the 1st sensical thing you posted, Modern Turks are mostly Greeks/Slavs who converted during Ottoman times to gain power/money in the Empire. . why do you think modern Greek/slavs hate Turks so much? We consider them traitors and "bad blood"
Either way, in Greece/Serbia there is no such thing as Greek/Serb "muslim", to be Muslim in those cultures is to be a Turk . . it doesnt make alot of sense but it is the mentallity of the Balkans in general
>>31164342
it's a really poor excuse mostly used by people who didn't really read about the topic, but they're rather repeating someone's words or simply "producing" new facts. as i already said, you're not a bad presenter, but if you want to spin the facts, you have to learn the facts in the first place.
>>31164373
>Yeah. Countries can just go to war for no reason and the international community will just shrug.
This isn't the 1800s countries can no longer just "shrug" confirmed for knowing nothing of the international body and the UN
>>31164373
>. Also, again you are insisting that they are the same group when there have been numerous maps/clusters showing this to be false; but you ignore it, cry for sources while providing none of your own, and generally just act like a sniveling kike throwing ad hominems at people while shrugging away from your own.
see >>31164380
>There has never been an instance where there needed to be a cause for war
the modern century in which we LIVE in does need a reason, you're an idiot lol
>>31164365
And how exactly does that change the fact that Greeks here are disproportionally butthurt?
>>31164428
did you not read what I wrote? EVERYTHING I said in this chat can be found easily they're all facts, its not shit i pulled out of my ass for the sake of pulling out of my ass
>>31164432
You're not getting any responses with that flag Muhammed, try again later.
>>31164432
Thats how they are on the internet. Muslims seems nice on the internet but behead you in reality and Greeks are total bros.
And you didn't deny being a mudshit
>>31164430
See. Let's look at what you just did here. You took my posts COMPLETELY out of context, put your words in my mouth and tried to take what I said and use it as if that was your argument against what you said(which you forced on to me). Fuck off shithead. My position was perfectly clear and you're trying to push me out to try to make it seem like that was your position the entire time. Slit your fucking throat kike.
>>31164470
Yes, we all know how trustworthy jews are.
>>31164386
So then they were never a turkish population in greece they were just greeks
you painted them out to be actual Turks who are living in Greece which is impossible considering the population exchange of the late 19th century
calling an entire group of people as turks simply because of their religion is incoherent and frankly makes 0 sense whatsoever
>>31164432
Greeks on /int/*
Most people on /int/ have nationalistic tendencies and in Greece, the nationalists are quite extreme.
>>31164526
Trustworthy enough that your country cannot function without them.
>>31164485
Nice dodging of my question there. I'm not biased towards any party here, but anyone can see the significant amount of butthurt from Greeks here.
>>31164537
The population exchange explicitly recused the Turks in Eastern Thrace. You're fucking retarded.
>>31164516
>he answered my points exactly
>omg putting wurds in my mouth omg!!!
You're a grown man not a little girl stop making excuses for why you got your ass handed to you
>>31164526
more trustworthy than the shit you've been spewing the entire time
>athens depopulated
my sides dude
>>31164326
Turks started to migrate into Anatolia at the beginning of first millennium AD. and they lived with Greeks until now. So it's on thousand years, sorry.
>>31164280
>turks
>mongolia
modern day turks are more greek than asian in every way (culture, phenotype, history, ...) also modern turkish nation is something invented with new republic and in reality they are a mix of local peoples of anatolia. mongolian origins are not more than a legend they tell to their children with nationalist and stupid intentions. they have no relation with asia anymore. and also why is that your fucking problem? it's between turks and greeks.
>>31164470
you sound like one senile grandpa here who claims that the serbs are the oldest nation in the world. i won't allow you to lose your ground even further because you have a talent to become a politician. just remember, know when to stop. good night
>>31164609
None of those are me you retard, stop being a jew.
>>31164551
Yes I mean the Greeks on int, in real life they are total bro's.
>>31164507
Whenever you say something even slightly negative about Greeks, you get called a mudshit. It's not even worth denying it at this point.
>>31164606
>he doesn't know that a population exchange happens on both sides
let's go over this slowly
Greeks give Turks 2 turkey and Turkey give Greeks 2 greece :-)
I can repeat this slowly if you want
Fuck Turkey. Greece all da way
>>31164537
It doesnt make sense unless you consider the hatred between Orthodox peoples(Greek/Serb) and Muslims.
For a Greek/Serb to convert to Islam is like sucking the devils dick in public at all times . .
If you are muslim you are a turk, that is just the way it is over there and has always been.
It is also the way the peace was kept since Muslims and Orthodox people lived in their own enclaves of people from their own religion during Ottoman Era
>>31164661
You forgot, cockroaches murder 85% of Greeks because lol
>>31164609
Let's try this again. You did not address my points. You took my position and are now acting like that was your initial position and that I have to argue against my own position. You're a fucking weasal, I'm just going to continue to point that out because you've outed yourself as untrustworthy and disingenuous. There is no point to engage you in a rational dialogue because you are not honest.
>>31164672
based Israel
>>31164672
Please, for G-D's sake take your diaspora away, maybe if he sees muslims killing his family he'll finally understand.
>>31164611
>they have no relation with asia anymore
ayy no pls stap
>>31164672
Why are the devils spawn so developmentally impaired?
Turkey
>supports israel's actions
>has economic and military ties with israel
Greece
>constantly slams israel's actions
>>31164661
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/593540/Thrace
>The Turks in Greek (Western) Thrace were excluded from the Greek-Turkish population exchange of 1923
>THE TURKS IN GREEK THRACE WERE EXCLUDED FROM THE POPULATION EXCHANGE
>>31164537
During the Ottoman Empire nations were not considered the same as the European concept of nationhood. The different religious groups of the Ottomans were considered to be the nations or "peoples" within the Empire.
>>31164661
Those Anatolian Greek Orthodox people were mostly killed during the Greek genocide(holocaust)
Please tell me you know of the Greek/Armenian genocide?
Also those Anatolian Greeks were actual Greeks . .In Ottoman Era it was punishable by death for a Turk to convert to Christianity . . no Turks entered Greek society . . that is like a SOuth African white joining Apartheid black family duriing the 70s . it didnt happen because it would be suicide
>>31164630
>athens
>depopulated
my fucking sides
>>31164683
>It is also the way the peace was kept since Muslims and Orthodox people lived in their own enclaves of people from their own religion during Ottoman Era
read Salonica: City of Ghosts
Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived peacefully during this time in this one Greek city, neither side thought of themselves as superior to the other or made the other's life a living hell
Even when greeks would convert to Islam there would be some argument and discourse in the family, but at the end of the day they would not be forced out of their homes or cast away.
Take the Greek Ibrahim Pasha, the right hand man of Sueliman, he converted to Islam at a young age and moved his parents to Istanbul, they remained christians and died christian.
There was no hurrr kill u case ur different faith xDD that shit happened during the Yugoslav wars and with the initial collapse of the empire
>>31164745
>constantly slams israel's actions
no
>>31164745
Turkey/Israel broke all ties after Flotilla incident when Erdogan threatened to send Navy warships to Israel
Greece/Israel just held the largest Air-Force exercise in modern history . .
where the fuck do you get your info Mahmood?
I prefer Turkey even if I recognize the qualities of Greece.
>>31164691
Had 85% of greeks been killed then there never would have been the sufficient number of troops to take back greece from the Turks :-) are you even reading what you're writing?
>>31164694
Again read what I wrote and then read what you wrote
>>31164788
and my main point was that they were considered Greek muslims later on not "Turks"
>>31164791
lol this guy is still shilling, JIDF must really pay you a lot
>>31164850
That's just Erdogan doing that stuff to gain popularity. Turkish and Israeli trade relations are at their highest peak ever.
>>31164895
He is talking about the Greek genocide
85% of Anatolian Greeks were murdered by Turks between 1910-1920 alongside Armenians
>>31164919
>can't properly form a cohesive argument
>h-he's JIDF!
such simple minds
>>31164895
I said there needs to be a cause for there to be war, you then attacked me and said, "lol lifez not a vidya gaem". I responded that there most certainly is a need for a cause for war because otherwise the international community will pounce on you. YOU THEN TOOK THIS POSITION AND ACTED LIKE IT WAS YOURS TO BEGIN WITH. I'm not playing that game. That's a fucking Jew's game.
>>31164895
Yes, all of the Greeks survived population exchange and not a single one was murdered.
t. Jew
>>31164922
He does it for free.
>>31164987
There is only one holocaust. All others are lies and slander.
>>31164937
And similar acts were done to the Bosnian people in the 90s whats your point?
>>31164973
>a casus belli for not calling an ethnic group Greek instead of Turkish
did you read what you wrote earlier? you sounded like a complete moron grasping for straws
>ctrl+F Orthodox Jew
>get 54 results
You need to seek help m8. Seriously
>>31164987
Yes, and all the Turks survived a population exchange and not a single one was murdered.
t.redneck
>>31164937
>>31159835
I really wish those darn British and French didn't step in to save the Ottoman Empire from Russia. Just think, Russia could have taken back Constantinople for Christianity and removed much kebab along the way.
>>31165024
Are you completely oblivious of what happened in Cyprus? Does 1974-1984 just not exist for you? Are you not aware that is exactly what the fuck happened in Cyprus? Quit misrepresenting my position and trying to snivel your way out of it kike.
>>31165024
are you comparing 10,000 Bosnians being murdered by Serbs in warfare between militias to the industrial-scale slaughter of 1 million greeks and 1.5 million armenians within 5 years?
>what the fuck
>>31165024
why do you even trying
believe me it's not work,I was tried it before too
>>31164745
Are you serious? Since 2009 Turkey has been slaming Israel on every chance they haf, trying to constantly break the siege on Gaza by facing our forces with flotillas intenionally knowing it will resort to violence, their PM publicly compared our politicians to the nazis and assaulting Israeli tourists on vacation. The government there has been arranging protests in which our flag was burned. Seriously fuck them.
>>31165050
Murder definition:
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Turks are neither human nor is it unlawful to kill them, just like Jews
>>31165043
Again, I'm not here to provide you with validation and a circle jerk about how Turks are the reason Greece is in the economic and political shitter.
>>31165068
except that Cyprus was justified and no military action was taken over that.
You didn't see Turkish warplanes bombarding Athens with bombs, did you?
>>31165071
My point being that it was done in a time of war just like every other genocide in history
>>31165127
You don't even need to go that far, because the expelled Turks were allowed to keep their possessions and were not killed en masse. The same can't be said for the Greeks.
>>31165127
>Turks are neither human nor is it unlawful to kill them, just like Jews
L O L
>this is who I was arguing against
jesus christ this is 10/10 stupidity
you do realize you're making everyone else look like complete morons, correct?
>>31165132
>No military action
>literally still occupying Northern Cyprus
>is justified because I say it was
The second sentence doesn't even make sense/has no relevance to what we are discussing. A blatant red herring.
>>31165144
The Turks that were expelled had to give up their homes and the only land they knew of which was in the Balkans, as did the Greeks who had to leave their homes in Anatolia. Don't be a moron painting one side as saints and the others as Tyrants
History doesn't work that way cupcake, no 1 side is sugar and rainbows
>>31165187
>occupying northern cyprus
Oh you mean the settlers who had lived there for centuries?
k guess native populace is now an occupation force :-) nice logic man
>>31165214
>The only land the Turks knew was the Balkans.
I think we're done here. Get help.
>>31165214
Listen you retard . .The Greeks allowed the Turks to move to Turkey in peace.
Turks murdered over 1 mllion Greeks and 1.5 Million Armenian christians for no reason
>>31165214
Actually, they Turks live in yurts, they were allowed to take it with them.
Refrigerators hadn't been invented yet, so they were unaware of the efficiency of living under them.
>>31165132
replying to >>31165043
with
>Again, I'm not here to provide you with validation and a circle jerk about how Turks are the reason Greece is in the economic and political shitter.
Being this paranoid.
You really need serious help bro.
>>31165314
kek
>>31165262
>tell him earlier that the turks living in the Balkans were just greek converts being called Greeks
>still doesn't understand
do
you
want
me
to
speak
like
this
so
you
can
understand
me
better
?
>>31165279
the 1 million greeks and "1.5 million" armenians were killed in a time of war, not during peace time
and the reason they were killed was becuase they were revolting against the Turks and joining the other side which was the western powers
thus, they were enemies.
Orthodox Jew is the Great defender of Turks and Islam
>I am not surprised one bit
>>31165355
>not participating in a circle jerk means he's the enemy
gosh how dare I have independent thought! >8(
>>31165252
>mfw this based guy destroys /pol/ and disinformed greek right-wing scum
4chan really needs more people like you that can actually use their brains.
>>31165349
So you think it was justified that TUrks killed over 3 million civilians? They were not Military deaths you dumb fucking nigger, they were all civilians, mostly females and children who were murdered
>>31165402
source on greek killings pls,i havent even heard of this before.
>>31165396
wtf dude...
>>31165444
ofcourse you haven't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
>>31165402
>forsake eastern anatolia in a revolt to join western powrs and establish their own nation in the middle of Turkish lands
>joins the enemy side thinking there won't be any repercussions
It was war in the early 20th century, there was no written code of conduct in what to do and what not to do
they sided with the enemy and the turks responded with what was justified at the time
>>31165252
>lived there for centuries
>It's documented that they were put there specifically for the purpose of breaking up the Greek ethnicity there.
>calling them settlers like it was some uninhabited place before
>Going full spastic
Jews. Not even once.
>>31165402
The fuck did they expect from an empire that gruesomely and heavily took revenge on any revolts that took place? It isn't justified, no murder on innocents ever is, but when they revolted and killed Turkish people in that area, they brought it forth on themselves from such an aggressive and blood-hungry empire.
>>31165462
With Jews You Lose
>>31162023
>make a thread giving people the choice between your shit country and another shit country
>get mad when they don't choose yours
>>31165396
>4chan posters
>brains
>logic
There's a reason why idiotic arguments are laughed at in an academic setting
>some retarded greek claimed Turkey was Saudi arabia and Iran esq Islamic state
jesus fuck man I'm still laughing
>>31165478
>it's documented they were put there to split up greek ethnicity
>documented by the greek government
>not propaganda whatsoever!
Muslims have been on Cyprus since the initial takeover of Byzantine lands, there have been Muslims living there for centuries up until the Ottomans and the early 20th century
