How it was life in the USSR? no bullshit /int/ please, i really want to know
>>52011055
Read 1984. It's based off of the authors life while living in it.
>>52011055
they had owned dacha
99% of the responses are going to be from people born after the fall of communism. Honestly, the ask Reddit threads about this have some good answers. From what I can tell, the general consensus is, it sucked, but there was some redeeming qualities about it. People liked the sense of security and stability in brought, and the egalitarianism was nice (one example I remember reading was that some kid enjoyed growing up in East Germany because nobody was bullied for being from a different social class, and all the state subsidized summer camps and stuff provided a sense of community). As far as the bad things, that should be pretty obvious. Infrastructure sucked, service on a lot of things was slow, less wealth in general, less recreational activities, etc etc.
>>52011091
George Orwell was inspired to write 1984 based off his experience with Stalinists in the Spanish civil war. He didn't live in the Soviet Union, but he saw the behavior of Stalinists first hand and knew the USSR was going to be an oppressive hell because of it.
>>52011055
My Uncles and Parents told me that Everything was state controlled, this meaning that if your local Comissar was a knobhead life was really shitty etc. GOAT educational system.
>>52011560
if everything was state controlled that means almost every basic need was free?
>>52011632
what you thirdworlders need to understand is...NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS FREE. NEVER.
Someone worked for your "free" stuff.
>>52011632
yes
>>52011632
You not always pay with money.
>>52011632
Yes, the two basic needs that were supplied were free, other such needs like food and warmth didn't exis
>>52011632
what is it with latin americans and their ignorant obsession with ussr style communism
god youre fucking retarded, you'd be living worse than you are now. except without freedom of movement.
>>52011055
Depends what time peroid.
>>52011055
I was born in 1983 but I won't say anything. Enjoy your cold war victims from both sides and wikiknowers :^)
(It was alright after Stalin died. Most bad things you can literally see on photos, use google. Socialism had some profits but cons were much stronger so the majority preferred to go back to capitalism. When all Soviet people die and long forgotten with their ways we will start fixing things for real if we survive that long. I hope for reunion with the rest of Europe and friendship, love ya all :3)
Free education. From kindergarden to Moscow Sstate University. Less garbage on streets than now. Better city planning. Yes, it was commieblock-city planning but it had at least some logic and idea aka citiy-garden etc. now it is asian style "build whatever you want wherever you want".
>>52011055
People from east germany told me it wasn't as bad as it was always portrait, but still living like this has big advantages.
>>52014953
>East Germany
>USSR
It's like when someone is asking how was life in 70's USA and some french describe 70's Paris.
>>52014921
by that logic, we live in gommunism right now
>Free education. From kindergarden to University.
we literally have that
>Less garbage on streets than now
than in Russia? probably yes
>Better city planning
>implying
>>52015486
The garbage thing is pretty believable though. Since they wanted everybody to have a job even though their central planners couldn't always think of a good use for everyone, some people got bullshit jobs just to collect their paycheck basically. A lot of those jobs were to clean things because at least that provides some value to the community and stuff. The same thing exists in the DPRK today, tourists usually comment on how clean the place is despite being so poor. Also they literally pay people to wear a business suit and look like they're busy/talk on the phone in their airport to impress foreigners as one of those bullshit jobs when they can't otherwise find a use for someone.
>>52011267
>99% of the responses are going to be from people born after the fall of communism
Pot meet kettle
>general consensus is people liked the sense of security and stability in brought
Have you ever heard of the KGB, GRU or the gulag system? At some point almost 10% of the population were in the slave labor camps.
>the egalitarianism was nice
Ever heard the phrase "Some people are more equal than others"?
>state subsidized summer camps
>provided a sense of community
Communist party youth indoctrination camp is nice, yes? T. Borat
>service on a lot of things was slow
Google pictures from a soviet grocery store. Somehow all the images show just empty shelves.
>less wealth in general
As in absolute poverty.
>less recreational activities
As in none.
How do I know this? We were only western nation directly bordering the soviet union and the defectors who managed cross the Finnish border (most were shot by soviet border troops) told the reality of the soviet system. There was nothing good about it. I hope you understand this.
According to what people have told me it was good as far as the basic things went.
You were set for life the moment you were born, the state would give you work, a place to live, everything and almost everybody would get the same as you.
The downside was you could never truly prosper and you had very little freedom in what you could do or say.
Connections were all that mattered if you wanted more than others. Some people will say it's still the same or that it's this way everywhere, those people have no idea about communism or anything.
>>52015767
I'm not denying communism is shit, but if it had absolutely no redeeming qualities it would have fallen a lot sooner. I've just read up on both sides since I'm curious about why Soviet nostalgia exists. And a lot of the things you were referencing like the gulags were most intense during the early days of the USSR, the people who are alive today to tell about their experiences under communism were mostly born after that.
>>52015767
This. All those positive memories are false attribution of people who remember their youth and miss that, not the falsely nostalgic memory of living in shit. I was born before the fall of the USSR, with family members that died during the resistance and family members that conformed during the later years and are not at all proud of that.
Trying to find positives in USSR is like looking for positives in an earthquake. Well gee golly wizz, at least some of the buidings held and some people survived. Maybe it wasn't all that bad.
>>52011055
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8
From what older people told me, I know the following. It was virtually impossible to be unemployed (you could literally walk into a random factory and become an apprentice in no time), the healthcare was free, the public transport was cheap, etc etc. Also, and that I've heard even from the ethnic Latvians, people had a common goal (basically building the communism and the bright future for all) and a lot more pride of their country than they have now, as well as the sense of security.
The downsides included a lot of goods being shitty quality (while affordable), shortages, censorship, gommunistic ideology taught to you at every school and academy, and limited freedom of travel, among the other things. From my point of view the worst things the USSR produced is the "Soviet mentality" and insufferable chauvinism.
Despite all of above-mentioned, I have no strong opinion of the USSR even though I read a lot about it, because of how controversial its achievements and the price of those achievements are.
>>52011055
How it was life in the USSR?
like a shit ( or like in Venezuela now )
>>52011055
I was young when it fell apart so I have limited memory of it. None of my memories that have something to do with the state and state provided services are good. In fact: they are quite bad. In fact: they are fucking awful.
>>52015898
>it would have fallen a lot sooner
You have to understand that it was a totalitarian society of fear. If you say ANYTHING against the party, the leaders, your local council, the system, YOU. ARE. GONE. That's it. No trial, no jury. 5 years in the gulag or executed.
It is as simple as that. It instilled such a fear that killed all thoughts of resistance. People who have not met people who actually lived under it will have difficulty understanding this.
Some brainwashed true-believer communists still have nostalgia for the system in current Germany. Coined "ostalgia" - east-nostalgy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie
idk, but some old people who lived during ussr seem to be somewhat nostalgic, saying that living during the ussr was simpler and easier.
>>52016243
>totalitarian society of fear
lol
>>52016122
>From my point of view the worst things the USSR produced is the "Soviet mentality" and insufferable chauvinism.
I agree, fuck that cancerous mentality and fuck the postcommunism that solidified it.
>>52016243
And you need a lot of people who believe in the cause enough to carry out the violence to sustain the system. You also need the rest of the population to be too apathetic to violently resist, so things can't be so bad that enough people start to resist the government. The Soviet Union maintained that level of support for 70 years. If there was no reason for people to enforce the system, it wouldn't have lasted that long.
>>52016300
Truth hurts :^)
>>52016243
gooby pls,
plenty of people believed in the ideas without being brainwashed and without giving a rats ass about the party leadership
my grandpa was a son of an 'enemy of the state' but he managed to rise to managerial position in the industry through sheer skill and smarts and died in democratic Bulgaria stil a believer in the communistic ideas, while hating the centralized state
you're the one acting brainwashed because you can't accept communism is anything less than the devil rather than an inferior system to democracy for a modern society
>>52015486
It's more like we lived in more civilized place before 1991.
>>52015892
>Bulgaria
>USSR
>>52016243
fear of what?
>>52016415
You have red too many books about bad commies and stalin personally killing people. Ussr was a stagnant country where nobody gave a fuck and government tried to build communism.
>>52016538
We copied USSR so hard we might as well have been.
>>52011267
>Reddit threads about this have some good answers.
>>52016619
Normies browse reddit, and we're looking for normie answers. They also have some people that are old enough to remember communism and not as a child.
>>52016572
Nope. Even inside USSR it was very different. From almost European balts and rich Ukraine/Uzbekistan and Moscow to the dirtiest and shittest cities of european part of Russia.
>>52016572
>We copied USSR so hard
brilliant!
>>52016415
Neah. It just doesnt looks like truth. For some reasons no one in my family was scared by evil soviets.
>>52011055
>Moscow 1961 through American Spy eyes - Rare Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59N3jZFl5kM
>>52016619
He's right, reddit isn't all bad. But you have to know the right boards.
Big ones usually get filled with nazis and sjw trying to push shit. Small ones are usually good.
>>52016415
People were.much more scared by democrats in 1993 than by commies in 1976.
>>52016413
>And you need a lot of people who believe in the cause enough to carry out the violence to sustain the system.
Which there were.
>You also need the rest of the population to be too apathetic to violently resist
Which they were.
>things can't be so bad that enough people start to resist the government
Which they were.
>If there was no reason for people to enforce the system
There was.
Read my previous post. It was a totalitarian society. Your, your family's or town's lives are worth nothing. Human life does not cost anything to the system.
Look, you no longer cannot afford to be so naive on this matter. The state controlled the newspapers, tv, radio, schools, universities, workplaces. You were watched everywhere.
You do not own anything. You do not have a car or a tv. The internet did not exist. You could not even leave your home town to visit your relatives unless given permission. If a town rebelled somewhere, they were all executed or sent to the gulag AND people in neighbouring towns HAD NO IDEA that it had happened. This is why resistance did not exist.
They killed 20 million of their own people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes#Soviet_Union
>>52016686
Are you Putin? :O
>>52016715
Indoctrination. It only hurts once, but gives happiness for a lifetime ^_^
>>52016780
No. Just a guy who live in Siberia.
>>52016809
It's more like safety that commies provided and higher quality of life.
>>52016413
Look up partisan wars and after that how the early USSR simply deleted any and all information that it disliked (included, but not limited to actually ripping pages put of books in libraries) make this the ruling, enforced by death reality for some 10-20 years AFTER a war has ravaged the land and people are trying to resettle and build up their shit. You then come to the new generation that all up to late 80s had no possible other source of information on absolutely anything except the propaganda that was in all manner of life. Those people believed in thw system because its faults were hidden and the alternatives were porteayed as even worse.
Heck look at North Korea. Those poor sods know of no alternative, if they would they would shit fucking bricks.No one is fucking toppling the system there either, would you wager that it too has its upsides?
Your problem is your mentality, something that I wish I would have. Anericans were free, remained free and can't comprehend things like this. It is too far from any experience of yours or your closest family members. In addition your geopolitical position and power means that even theoretically there is no worry. With that in mind, comprehension of auch things is difficult for you and that I actually envy.
>>52016676
People who are old enough to remember USSR don't browse reddit.
>>52016834
>commies provided and higher quality of life
You must be this guy then.
>>52016814
>>52016905
What?
>>52016863
This is true. They don't even use FB all that much.
I'm willing to bet the people who browse reddit and claim knowledge of USSR are book nerds trying to get the sweet sweet upboats or what ever the fuck they do there.
>>52016905
Dude, people were starving in 1992.
>>52016863
Not in huge numbers, but some do. Reddit is huge, there are a handful of 40+ year olds on it.
>>52016951
Russians don't use FB at all desu.
Anyone seen this movie promo or just small film, I don't know what its called, but it starts off in Russia during winter, and these soviet commanders start gathering the intellectuals(political opponents) that get in their way, they arrange a meeting, the intellectuals (or political opponents) walk thinking theres going to be a meeting and when they turn around their all shot. Theres also a Russian song in the background, im sure its a female singing with male backups. Cheers in advance
>>52017016
But FSB use russians :D
