>tfw 4chan told me "stop going on /int/ so much and go do normal things"
>tfw i believed them
i go have dinner with my family
nothing more normal right ?
TV is playing in front of us
>blah blah ISIS lost Fallujah
>muslims killed policeman and his wife
>muslims killed 100 gays in USA
>something something WW2 commemoration Pétain collaboration something something Général de Gaulle
>blah blah Vladimir Putin blah blah hooligans
>Russia banned from the olympics, blah blah russophobia
You lied to me
There exist NO normal things, everywhere you go everything you do it's always : POLITICS POLITICS POLITICS
All the time, every day
And then people ask you like
>"hey anon what you think about muslims ?"
>"hey anon what you think about jews ?"
>"hey anon what you think about ww2 ?"
>"hey anon what you think about russia ?"
well i can not tell you otherwise you will tell me i am a nazi
reeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>60917375
>And then people ask you like
>>"hey anon what you think about muslims ?"
>>"hey anon what you think about jews ?"
>>"hey anon what you think about ww2 ?"
>>"hey anon what you think about russia ?"
What the fuck?
Who do you talk to? I've literally never discussed politics with another person in real life, it's a stupid waste of time
>>60917375
Hey anon, why aren't you protesting in the streets of Paris? You're not a capitalist cuck, are you?
>>60917563
I want her to pee all over my face
holy shit you want this mess you clean it
read a book, watch a movie, play video games
life is more than just whatever you are complaining about, people talk about politics because there are expectations about the knowledge in voting but if you go to some country that doesn't have the power to vote they would ask you different things like your opinion on tv series or sports or economy
god stop being so self serving sometime
Remember that you are here forever
>>60917461
This shits redundant, our opinion will change anything so who cares
>>60917734
Discussing politics is for poor and dumb people
Focus on what matters and actually directly affects your life
>>60917461
We discuss politics a lot inside and outside of the family here. Comes with a revolutionary tradition I think.
>>60917375
Just stop being an edgy naziboo, faggot
>>60917734
Won't
>60917781
This I'm tired of hearing people argue about shillary and dumf
>>60917992
>This I'm tired of hearing people argue about shillary and dumf
Everyone successful is already hedged either way and will figure out how to make the most money no matter who is in power.
The president actually represents very little in reality
>>60917563
>tfw melanie will never sit on your face while calling you a bad goy
>>60917992
>>60918080
We have a saying here in France (taken from Trotsky himself) :
"You might not be interested in Politics, but Politics are interested in you"
Don't say idle and complain with your memes about your president. I know a 2-party system is shitty, but nobody's going to change if you're apathetic and wait for the storm to pass.
Maybe if you post more frogs it will solve the problem
>>60917641
>open a book
ahahhhhahahah
ok
i did this like one year ago
went through the parent's library
>"Baudelaire ? sounds good very French very culture let's take it"
>open random page
>ABOUT THE JEWS AND THEIR ROLE IN WESTERN CIVILIZATION
>lmao ok its interesting but ...
>open another page
>"i want to fuck black women : here's why"
not even joking here
it's pursuing me
>>60917788
but anon i'm not a naziboo
in fact i support israel
but if you say this people will say you're a nazi actually : where is the logic i ask you
>>60918237
You sounds like the type of guy who would say "WE ARE INVADED I SAY ! INVADED !" and when called out would cry about "free speech".
Or maybe I'm mistaken.
>>60918203
>you can influence politics by yourself just by not being interested in it
ayy lmao
>>60918653
>by being interested in it
fix
>>60918653
This.
You're not going to influence shit, focus on making money and doing what's actually going to improve your life.
When you have money it doesn't matter who's in power because your life is amazing
>>60918525
well it's not an invasion since we actually let them in
obviously invasion is when you have an army and shit
no, this is called an infiltration
also free speech is just a huge lie otherwise i'd be able to speak my mind freely
(and so would cartoonists)
>>60918894
>When you have money it doesn't matter who's in power
Unless it's commies, then you are fucked
>>60919024
>Unless it's commies, then you are fucked
Maybe but with enough money you'll be able to get away.
Offshore bank account
Private charter flight, land in sketchy airport that doesn't check passport cya m8
>>60919098
Well, with enough money, sure.
>>60918894
i already have money tho i don't really care for more
btw only poor people (in every sense of the word) are this obsessed with money
in fact i think money is a dirty and low thing, it's good for the jews
i am above money tb h
>>60919465
>in fact i think money is a dirty and low thing, it's good for the jews
>/pol/ autist confirmed
Money is a necessary tool, there's nothing "good" nor "bad" about it. It's just a tool, people are good and evil, money is neutral.
>>60917375
>/int/
>politics
I'm sorry the sole reason this board exists if for everyone to shit all over eachothers's coountry.
/pol/ is for politics.
>>60919565
>>60919654
/pol/ is shit i don't like it actually
also is your best advice for me "go to /pol/" ???
may i remind you i came in this thread asking to do more normal things
going to /pol/ is not
>>60919875
Stop taking yourself so seriously and learn to relax a little bit.
Do things that a) Earn you money or b) Make you feel good
If it doesn't do either why even do it? - Politics is one of those.
>>60920031
>Do things that a) Earn you money or b) Make you feel good
but how come thats what all the dumb people do
>If it doesn't do either why even do it? - Politics is one of those.
and this is what all of the great famous people did ? explain this
you sound like the people who write "carpe diem" on their facebook profile and then explain why they have only one life they should profit blah blah blah
(and let's face it those people aren't great or anything)
(and all those who were great hated this mentality)
i am trying to believe you anon but its hard
>>60919465
>i am above money tb h
>im rich enough to not care about money
get out of here porky
>>60920031
>gaining political knowledge doesn't make you feel good
khm bydlo khm
>>60920314
>but how come thats what all the dumb people do
There's an example of you taking yourself too seriously. Stop thinking you're so much smarter than everyone else. People seem to think they're unique - protip: you're not.
You really sound a fedora when say "Le i'm so enlightened i am above money and these mere idiots, I am an intelligent and thinking man therefore i will not enjoy myself *tips fedora gracefully*".
Stop this
>>60921053
>>gaining political knowledge doesn't make you feel good
>khm bydlo khm
Circlejerking with people who think like you and ENDLESSLY arguing with people who disagree with you does not make you feel good, it just occupies your time with some dumb shit.
do you honestly feel good arguing with people all the time when you could be making money or having sex?
>>60921053
it's exactly with this mentality you drove away the people who could make your country good and became a shithole good job
in fact even my family were rich russians, they could have stayed and made the country richer having enterprises and all that
but no you hate the rich they had to leave : russia becomes even worse than before
>>60920314
>but how come thats what all the dumb people do
Ah yes, Elon Musk and investment bankers are very dumb indeed
>>60921223
i am sorry i don't want to sound like this at all
how do i even stop doing it
>>60920314
>you sound like the people who write "carpe diem" on their facebook profile and then explain why they have only one life they should profit blah blah blah
They're not wrong.
>(and let's face it those people aren't great or anything)
>(and all those who were great hated this mentality)
You aren't great either, let's be real here. You've, in all likelihood done nothing of significance. At least you could enjoy yourself, right?
Seriously take it down a notch, chill out and learn to enjoy yourself.
>>60918894
And this, yeah.
>>60921456
You know what to do
>>60921223
I don't feel good arguing with people, well, rarely, but it's quite fun to educate yourself about the world you are living in, especially something that is relevant to your life, like politics.
You should try it too sometimes.
>>60921352
As of now, our rich people only ruin our country even more. Epecially the ones who got rich quick in 90s on the ruins of the USSR and now have expensive houses and their kids live in Europe. So good luck with your not caring about money with your rich parrents, faggot.
>>60921456
>i am sorry i don't want to sound like this at all
>how do i even stop doing it
Easy bro.
As I've said, stop taking yourself so seriously.
Go on an acid trip and think about your life, think about it long and hard.
Make some goals in your life, what do YOU really want to do in life? Think about it for a few days, think about it for a few weeks.
Write your main goals down. Now, EVERYTHING you do in life MUST get you closer to those goals, if it doesn't, stop doing it.
If your family is holding you back from your goals, or at least not helping you achieve them, say bye and cut off your family.
If your friends are retarded, cut them off, find new friends who actually enrich your life and get you closer to your goals.
Stop wasting time on dumb shit that doesn't get you closer to your goals
>>60921459
then what should i do to enjoy myself drugs alcohol whores ?
i tried all of the above i am still without purpose in life tb h
>>60917781
>Discussing politics is for poor and dumb people
Politics is the last thing poor and dumb people discuss m8
>>60921792
>You should try it too sometimes.
I've tried, and I've realized it's a major waste of time constantly arguing with faggots. It serves no purpose.
i don't give a fuck about politics, it literally doesn't matter or change my life in any way. I could spend 10 years getting indepth into politics and it would still leave me in the same spot
>>60921830
idk anon well at least theres some insight in this one post
ill think about it
>>60921792
sorry what can i even tell you ? im sorry to be rich ? im not
what do you want me to say actually
>>60921869
>then what should i do to enjoy myself drugs alcohol whores ?
>i tried all of the above i am still without purpose in life tb h
Find your purpose in life and go for it, whatever it is.
>>60921876
>Politics is the last thing poor and dumb people discuss m8
Are you srs breh?
That's completely false. Poor and dumb people are the most obsessed about Politics.
Exhibit number one: All the Tumblr retards circlejerking for Bernie or the retards on /pol/ masturbating for Trump and posting Trump pepes and MAGA
They're mostly losers who genuinely think(and they're probably right) that the president being elected will DIRECTLY affect their life. And it's probably true because they have so little going for them that one policy change is like groundbreaking for them
>>60921883
Well, nobody is forcing you to argue, just read stuff and make conclusions for yourself.
I guess if you don't give a fuck you may as well not give a fuck.
>>60921830
>Stop wasting time on dumb shit that doesn't get you closer to your goals
Why are you even here then?
>>60922134
>Well, nobody is forcing you to argue, just read stuff and make conclusions for yourself.
About what? What's the point?
It's just mental masturbation, completely devoid of any real value
>>60918237
>in fact i support israel
Oh, you're one of 'those' people.
>>60917461
>it's a stupid waste of time
that's the point of normieness
it's small talk, no need to rant a 2 hours answer
just say "oh i think it's bad, and you?"
>>60922119
>using tumblr and /pol/ as examples of anything
I thought you were talking about actual dumb and poor people lmao
>They're mostly losers who genuinely think(and they're probably right) that the president being elected will DIRECTLY affect their life.
No, actual poor and dumb people just go with the "every politician is shit, nothing will change, I only like [X] from [Y] party slightly more than the other guy, now let's talk about the rugby/cricket" here
>>60921999
>>60921792
besides its not even like that i was like upper middle class at best, then they died and the state/health insurances gave me a ton of money now idk what to do with myself
>>60921876
>Politics is the last thing poor people discuss
I FUCKING WISH
i guess your poor people are less annoying than ours
>>60922190
Because it's interesting?
But as I said, you may just continue living as a fucking plebeian, because being at least slightly interested in the society you are living in, that one way or another influences everything in your life, is "for dumb people".
>>60922321
>"now let's talk about the rugby/cricket" here
yep, less annoying indeed
>>60922346
I wish I had your problems m8.
>>60922282
>that's the point of normieness
>it's small talk, no need to rant a 2 hours answer
>just say "oh i think it's bad, and you?"
No that's not "normieness".
Two acronyms -
DON'T TALK ABOUT THESE:
R - religion
A - abortion
P - politics
E - economics
And don't talk about sexual preferences
Talk about these instead:
F - family
O - Occupation
R - Recreation
D - Dreams
Discussing politics or other sensitive topics is a great way to get into an argument
>>60922321
>actual poor and dumb people just go with the "every politician is shit, nothing will change, I only like [X] from [Y] party slightly more than the other guy, now let's talk about the rugby/cricket" here
Actually that's what successful people do.
Successful people realize that they're hedged regardless and they will find a way to be successful regardless of whether it's Hillary Clinton or Vermin Supreme as president.
>>60922610
>DON'T TALK ABOUT THESE:
>R - religion
>A - abortion
>P - politics
>E - economics
>And don't talk about sexual preferences
BUT THEY ONLY TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME OH MY GOD
>Talk about these instead:
>F - family
they are mostly dead and i have no gf
>O - Occupation
i do nothing all day
>R - Recreation
i do drugs and 4chan and alcohol
>D - Dreams
i don't know man
>>60918525
>implying it's wrong
>>60922798
>BUT THEY ONLY TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME OH MY GOD
It's more for general conversations, if they're your close friends then I guess it's fine but still pretty dumb to keep talking about
>>60922610
>don't talk about real social issues that concern everyone
>talk about random bullshit
>muh success
you are a normie bydlo even by normie standarts
>>60917375
>ISIS lost Fallujah
No.
>>60922798
>R - Recreation
well i mean i also do normal shit like watching netflix and going to the bar with people idk i can maintain boring relationships with normies no problem
in fact i do, but it's still boring
maybe all the normies are also secretly like me ? or are they actually satisfied with only this ?
>>60922610
>Discussing politics or other sensitive topics is a great way to get into an argument
in your nannystate
i think you're being a little rigid, my autistic mate
the point is not sharing information or opinion
the point of normies is sharing vibes
>>60922798
>BUT THEY ONLY TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME OH MY GOD
please tell me they also drink coffee while smoking cigarette
more stereotypical than that and they'd wear white-black striped sweater
>>60922985
>>don't talk about real social issues that concern everyone
It's an amazing way to get into an argument you asocial fucking aspie.
What good is discussing your stupid "social issues"? They're highly controversial.
Try saying how great Islam is to a Christian or try saying how God doesn't exist to any religious person - boom instant discomfort and potential argument.
it's stupid as fuck
>>60923128
>maybe all the normies are also secretly like me ?
some are, but they hide their powerlevel
wouldn't it be a pleasant surprise if you found a fellow robot out there just with casual conversation?
>>60919875
Discussing politics here is just decieving yourself.
/int/ is just a slightly less bad version of /pol/ now that /pol/ has flags, /news/ started again, and the decent posters went to /his/.
>>60922798
>i do drugs and 4chan and alcohol
dégénéré
>>60923192
>the decent posters went to /his/
are you jesting my man? /his/ is full of fedorafags FROM /LIT/
of all shitposters, why it had to be those from /lit/
>>60921869
Watch anime
>>60923143
yep this is in fact exactly what it is like
like most of my social activity is smoking coffee and politics
>>60921883
>I could spend 10 years getting indepth into politics and it would still leave me in the same spot
That's because you are either not persuasive or a honest person.
>>60923151
Of course I'm not going to start arguing it with random people I don't know irl or like I'm studying or go to work with.
But not being interested in them at all is an attitude of a fucking brain dead.
>>60922134
>Why are you even here then?
>>60923192
actually i browse /his/ too it's good but its slow and no fun allowed
>>60922321
>No, actual poor and dumb people just go with the "every politician is shit, nothing will change, I only like [X] from [Y] party slightly more than the other guy, now let's talk about the rugby/cricket" here
I don't vote because I know it is meaningless to me.
Is that being dumb?
>>60923366
I think he meant learning it, which would mean some learning disability if you can't learn anything about politics in 10 years studying it.
But I can agree with that arguing about politics leaves both sides by their own opinion in 99.9% of time, even if you drop a fucking encyclopedia on their head.
>>60923509
i would say "yes" but then i remember you guys don't live in a real democracy and have this complicated college system that chooses the president they like in your sake
at least you have the solace that if things go worse you can always shoot your president in the back with a legally purchased rifle?
>>60923284
Okay. I meant the high quality mods went to /his/.
>>60923480
Good. Fuck shitposters. They already inhabit half of 4chan's boards.
>>60923546
I change minds everyday on 4chan.
Then again, my voice here is just ones and zeroes, slipping beneath the sound.
>>60923546
>But I can agree with that arguing about politics leaves both sides by their own opinion in 99.9% of time, even if you drop a fucking encyclopedia on their head.
this
https://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/
>>60923598
Trump is the first time in a long time that the American voter mattered in the primary process.
As for if we are a real democracy? No. We are not. But it usually works.
The problem is that most of us fool ourselves into thinking we are.
>try to get family to eat together at table
>mom refuses because some reason
>sits in the same room as us and watches shitty smut crime shows on netflix while we eat
>the more I ask the more she refuses
>>60923727
People change their views all the time.
There are effective ways to persuade people and ineffective ways.
>>60923839
>But it usually works
yeah i guess
and like i said, you can always do the Lee Harry Oswald. so there's that
>>60923894
>when anime isn't real life
>>60923727
>this
>https://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/
THIS.
Convincing someone of something when they WANT to learn is hard enough, but convincing someone who doesn't, and is already DEAD-SET on their opinion? - Impossible waste of time.
>>60923713
And how many minds and about what have you changed today with your with your magical preaching skills?
>>60923944
It doesn't sounds like you spent a lot of time arguing on the internet senpai.
>>60923975
It works for the elites. The whole system of American neoliberalism is set up to self-propagate and defend itself.
It indirectly (or directly) kills off any other systems.
For example, the Soviet Union probably would still be around in a far better state than it ended up being, if the US and allies hadn't opposed it.
And vice versa.
Our country is great at fucking up other countries. It then makes neutral ones copy us, leading to an even stronger incentive to not test out new systems.
Look at anyone that even slightly opposes the USA. They get fucked.
>you can kill a president
Haha no. Not nearly as easy as it used to be.
Here in DC the White House has 3 fences around it now. 10 feet high.
Used to be one that was 5 feet high.
>>60923944
this, i didn't at all have the same views when i was 16yo
it changed because of what i saw people say and do
but i wont have the same views when i will be 30yo
so when do i know that i am wise enough to speak ? when i am an old man ? but it's too late then
>>60924183
Obviously peoples views change over time, but I don't recall a single instance of people instantly changing their opinions over a heated argument over something controversial like politics or religion, especially on the internet.
>>60924047
Oh I spend an awful amout of time being unproductive and dispelling memes on 4chan.
Used to do it on Facebook back in 2008.
Difference is that here I am anonymous. For some reason my voice is heard a little more here than when people can see my name and face.
Anonymity kills prejudice, but leads to lack of trust.
I wish we didn't have flags.
>how many minds have you changed
Two anons on /k/ were shitposting about China having no strategic transports. I proved them wrong with a link to Janes.
They'll continue being bigoted, but at least I won't see that shitpost from them again (I hope).
I also made Mama Spain, that poster from a day ago, pretty happy by showing her my drawings.
Finally, I convinced a Japan-anon in January to apologize to his son and go hang out at the park with his wife and son. He had hit his son and the family hadn't talked in weeks so he came to 4chan drunk. It was hilarious, but he posted proof later. He brought his wife flowers.
So. Yeah. Changed a few at least.
>>60924036
You can't change some minds. I get that. But little by little anyone can be made to believe anything.
>>60924389
>but I don't recall a single instance of people instantly changing their opinions over a heated argument over something controversial like politics or religion, especially on the internet
It doesn't happen.
People stick to their own opinions, often times angrier and more strongly than before.
Unless someone specifically asks you for advice or your opinion(even then, it's 50/50 - DON'T SHARE YOUR WORTHLESS OPINION.
>>60924183
Make your opinion known. But realize when to cut your losses, and when to press it.
Some people will never change their mind. Yet, saying that it is pointless to try is wrong. Maybe it is not irrational, but it is wrong.
>>60924389
I changed my views on the Holocaust when I talked to a German anon in a meetup in Munich and we saw Dachau together.
Never have gone back to /pol/ after that.
>>60924389
oh yeah no that never happens
but when the argument is over you think about what they say and you realize they were obviously right
and later on you pretend you always held this opinion
>this thread
>American insists that Anons' opinions can be changed
>Canadians insist that opinions cannot be changed
meta as fuck
>>60924604
I find myself like that on 4chan.
I catch myself contradicting what I said a week ago far too often.
And usually it is just a pointless argument over semantics.
>>60924169
>Used to be one that was 5 feet high.
well, niggas were moving there recently?
>>60924422
It's not the same though as changing peoples opinions over some controversal shit in an argument.
>>60924565
Arguing over shit and going and seeing things by yourself is not the same.
>>60924688
Enjoy spending the best years of your life trying to convince people of osme shit all day
Do you not value your time?
>>60924860
I guess we see "changing people's opinions" differently.
Can I change a Christian's view of Jesus by saying Jesus was a faggot 8000 times?
No.
Can I change a Christian's view on 99% of issues?
Probably.
>>60924880
I'm here doing exactly what I want.
You can change people's minds. It just takes the right methods and tactics and effort.
The good and bad thing about 4chan is you can never really be sure. If I changed a million minds or none here, it wouldn't change a thing to me. How would I know?
>>60924604
I don't recall seing exactly this happen in a long time still, sometimes after though, you may think than I guess they had some valid points, but their opinion in general still sounds stupid to you. You may even see that if you were presented with these points in a better environment of learning it yourself and not by arguing with a random person over the internet, you've been able to draw conclusions from them much better.
>>60924782
>And usually it is just a pointless argument over semantics.
most_of_my_internet_arguings.txt
I remember reviewing once some thread I saved from the imageboard many years ago for some reason, and found some anon with some stupind opinion and thought "what a fucking retard" and then remembered it was me. Fun times.
>>60925048
>>60925166
>Can I change a Christian's view on 99% of issues?
>Probably.
>You can change people's minds. It just takes the right methods and tactics and effort.
I would call you naive for really thinking so, but well, you may as well try.
>>60925352
>found some anon with some stupind opinion and thought "what a fucking retard" and then remembered it was me. Fun times.
Holy fuck iktfb
>>60917461
It's pretty much all we talk about at work tbqh. It goes politics > work related things > cafeteria menu for the week > sports > weekend plans.
>>60925654
>It's pretty much all we talk about at work tbqh
Wanna know how I know you work a shitty job?
>>60925839
Nah lad, it's pretty decent, get paid to commute, get free half hour of money in the morning for travel time as well, shit's easy and relaxed too. Then again, I work IT for a mining company, and as such the users I have to deal with are unusually retarded and inept (literally the guys down in the mines asks me to fix broken down shitbox because nigga be filled with coal dust and sheeeit)... ok, yeah, it's shitty.
