In which nation can you live a more fulfilling life, France, Germany, or Italy? I am primarily concerned with the culture, the quality of life, and the people. I am also concerned with how relaxed and laid back the country is.
Thank you for reading this.
>>59764916
1) Germany>>2) France>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...
>>>>>.>>>>>>...
...>>Z>Italy
>>59765035
just dont move to capital/big cities and you're fine everywhere. Go to rural villages for the ultimate cultural experience.
>>59764916
Morroco
>>59765056
I was thinking this as well. Of these three countries though, which one do you think would be best for this purpose?
>>59765117
Some small town in the Netherlands > Bretagne in France > Bavaria in Germany > Saxony in Germany > else.
France is a really beautiful country desu.
>>59765239
Thank you for that list. I am not good at handling stress, and I prefer places that are as relaxed as possible. With this in mind, do you have any specific advice for where to go and what to do?
>>59765239
>France is a really beautiful country desu.
Italy is better
>>59765318
>>59765303
depends on your job chances family, on your language skills and so on.
I think dutch people are the most relaxed, dutch is easy to learn, they all speak english and their country is top tier.
>>59765318
italy has nice tourist places, I'd prefer to live in northern europe tho.
>>59764916
Why? You're never going to live in any of those countries.
>>59765573
Thank you for the advice. I always thought though that Germany would be better for rural villages? The Netherlands is much more densely populated and urban, is it not?
>>59765607
Nature is non-existant in the Netherland, you have to know that. Cities are beautiful but that's it
>>59765239
>Bretagne in France
Bretagne is actually pretty crowded tb.h
Beautiful I don't deny it but it's not that rural
>>59765697
>Nature is non-existant in the Netherland
lolwut, no. Especially dam environment is unique and quite beautiful.
>>59765607
You can be top-rural in the Netherlands, while you're close to first world shopping centers. Thats the perk of living in the Netherlands (living in a small cunt)
>>59764916
France if you avoid the muslishit parts
>>59765836
>Bretagne is actually pretty crowded tb.h
I visited as a tourist and had to drive 20+ kilometers between towns + places of interest.
>>59765837
If you like mountains, stunning open scenaries and shit, the netherlands is not made for you
>>59765837
Are the people hospitable and friendly though?
>>59765837
It depends what you mean by rural honestly, if you mean agricultural areas then yeah, but fields are pretty boring after a while even if they qualify as rural
>>59764916
Switzerland
>>59765924
I didn't precise, I mean compared to other places in France. It's not China tier density for sure, but there are better places if you want to get away from people
Switzerland
>>59765924
That's not crowded
>>59764916
>culture
italy
>quality of live
germany
>people
france
>>59766149
>>59766149
>I am also concerned with how relaxed and laid back the country is
didnt see that bit, italy it is
>>59765937
I agree. But that's nothing I'd expect from the Netherlands?
>>59765974
Yes. They are. Top hosts, actually.
>>59765986
rural = few houses next to a highway. Bretagne has lots of that, but also cozy towns + villages.
I would just like to make it clear to you that you will always be foreigner, especially in rural areas, dont ever expect to be taken as ''one of them''
>>59764916
none, all are fucking shitholes of 1st world countries
>>59766149
tbf, Spain should be mentioned.
The cuisine alone is a reason to visit.
>Capital
Germany > Italy > France
>Large cities
Germany > France > Italy
>Towns
France > Germany > Italy
Italy is ok but if you plan to LIVE here prepare for no jobs, high taxes, painfully slow bureaucracy and poor infrastructures.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9f8_1457527415
this is what the Netherlands is all about
>>59766301
Paris and Rome are a hundred time better than Dublin
>>59766320
And nothing of value was lost.
>>59766367
yours is the next one brother
>>59766349
>Dublin
literally pubs and nothing else: the city
>>59764916
You're asking this question to a bunch of autists who have never left their mother's basements, let alone travelled outside their country.
>>59766249
>>59766320
Go be butthurt somewhere else.
>>59766367
Dutchman, considering we have mentioned the Netherlands, what is your opinion on all of this?
God tier countries to live in:
Germany, Austria, Spain
Fine if you can adept to the culture:
Italy, The Netherlands
Ok:
UK, anything in Scandinavia
Poo poo pee pee:
France, Switzerland, anything in east Europe
>>59766434
Nice projection lad, but it's easy for continentals to drive through Europe
>>59766434
shhh /pol/ is already sleeping, you can speak your mind now!
>>59766467
Shit list
t. list expert
Which of these countries is probably better if I am looking for a career in Academia? Employment will be an issue for me, so this is relevant for the discussion.
>>59765239
>Bretagne in France
T-thanks
>>59766398
Moroccans only kill each other.
>>59766457
My list is >>59766467
I'm not very fond of the attitude of the people in France. They aren't very friendly. And the food can be odd.
In Germany the people are friendlier and the food is always good. And i honestly think German villages look better.
Italy is a great country, but it's for a specific kind of people.
>>59766588
were those 3 hundred and something guys that'd been killed of moroccan decent?
>>59766690
Who?
>>59766588
>I'm not very fond of the attitude of the people in France. They aren't very friendly.
I had a discussion with an Hungarian yesterday who told me we were the friendliest in Europe, it's really random
>>59766773
I feel like most people that dislike French people have only been to Paris. I have never been to France though, so this is just speculation.
>>59766725
stop pretending that you don't have a clue who I'm talking about
>>59766773
I've been to France a lot. And I never found the experience very pleasant. It's always something.
France is also the only western country where they have holes in the ground as public toilets.
>>59766805
I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
>>59766861
now you're officially libertized
>>59766881
My country isn't the one falling apart right now.
>>59766861
ignore sovjet slave states.
>>59766804
In that case he went to Chartres, so it wasn't Paris indeed
But even then, even if the cunts/km2 ratio is higher in Paris I know people who had excellent experiences in this city
On the other hand the Dutch are supposed to be friendly and people were very rude in Amsterdam, and most of the Dutch tourists where I live are greedy people who act like the place belong to them.
All of this to say I think it's pretty dumb to say "the people in this country are...", be it France or the Netherlands or New Zealand, there are several millions of them for fuck sake
>>59766916
just now i wasn't talking about your country particularly
>>59766823
>France is also the only western country where they have holes in the ground as public toilets.
Wrong, I saw this in Germany too
In Spain and Italy as well but you said "western" so...
>>59766947
You are definitely right about this. I guess a more suitable question then would be: are you satisfied with your life in France?
>>59766980
I've never seen it in Germany, Spain or Italy. In the Netherlands we also call them French toilets.
>Een Frans toilet of hurktoilet is een toilet waar men moet hurken in plaats van zitten. In het Nederlands wordt de naam "Frans toilet" het meest gebruikt omdat dit soort toilet het meest bekend is vanuit Frankrijk
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurktoilet
>>59764916
Switzerland. No contest. Then Germany.
But if you want to move to a large city then it's:
Germany > France >>>>> Italy
Here's the only thing that really really matters in pic related.
>>59767019
They're called Turkish toilet around here
Incoming butthurt from inferior countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born_Index
>>59767013
>are you satisfied with your life in France?
Definitely yeah. I'm not blind to all the flaws, mostly our crap politics and their consequences such as the immigrants and such.
But otherwise I love pretty much eveything I can think of, our food, our nature, our architecture, the language, the huge differences from one region to another... And for those thinking "the economy is better in UK and Germany therefore it's shit" they should remember it's still better than most of the world
I'm from the Med coast by the way
Northern Italy >>>> everything.
Source: a southern italian
>>59767261
Nice, thank you for the insight.
>>59767177
If you read the methodology, it's even more retarded than the HDI. You can't combine "GDP per capita" and "political freedom" objectively in a number. Also
>Gender equality (measured by the share of seats in parliament held by women)
>>59767289
This
Source: another Southern Italian
>>59766947
We're descendants from pirates. Dutch people are very blunt and have no manners. It's considered honesty and openness here. Not all foreigners can cope with that. That's why I put them in the fine if you can adept tier. >>59766467
>>59766467
>Fine if you can adept to the culture:
>Italy
What about Italian culture that's hard to adapt to in your opinion?
>>59767177
>The survey used ten quality of life factors along with forecasts of future GDP per capita to determine a nation's score
Amazingly objective criteria such as:
>Gender equality
>Quality of community life
>The state of political freedoms
>The quality of family life based primarily on divorce rates
>Life expectancy at birth (which is essentially related to diet and genes for lengevity)
>>59767289
>>59767334
How is Central Italy
>>59767334
>>59767355
The gender equality thing doesn't seem to matter much considering there is a Mudslime oil country in the top 20.
>>59767020
Switzerland looks comfty as fuck, but everyone tells me that they are xenophobic assholes. Even to other Europeans.
>>59767289
>>59767334
Could you please explain?
>>59767349
In Spain people are very laid back and friendly. It's like a rural area.
Italy is like the city version of Spain. Italians are quicker and louder. And expect the same from you.
>>59767349
Human generated tornadoes.
>>59767415
not bad actually. Umbria is the nicest and quietest place to live, Tuscany is, well, wonderful. And there's Rome, the greatest city of all
>>59767437
Who cares, hangout with the expats or show them the same bitter coldness back and they'll at least respect you.
>>59767435
Yeah.. you can't really say that considering the massive GDP per capita of that oil country.
In fact, given that it's so low with so much wealth per head I'd be willing to bet it matters a lot.
It's bullcrap.
>>59767531
>>59767341
>It's considered honesty and openness here. Not all foreigners can cope with that.
That may be true in your country, but the ones I see during summer can't be mistaken with "honest" and "open" people. I rent boats like pic related basically
>Always try to bargain prices
>Stay in the water longer than payed on purpose
>Try to sneak extra people
>Leave their trash afterwards
>Laugh at our English
I'm aware we mostly get rednecks, but still, no one cope with them
>>59766301
i agree with this post, i think italy is the best to ~visit~ though. actually living there was frustrating, and that was without worrying about employment.
>>59767531
>help me my hand is a helicopter!
>>59767454
it's the best place to live in Europe. Culture 10/10 quality of life 9/10, people 10/10. Relaxed and laid back it is, undoubtedly
>>59767688
>actually living there was frustrating
mind explaining?
fuck eurocucks, when are you to die off already?
>>59767713
Do you have to deal with the infrastructure and bureaucracy problems though, or is it better in those regards in the north?
>>59767713
Ticino is essentially an even better northern Italy.
>>59767656
Sounds familiar. Dutch people like to bend the rules.
>>59767719
well i lived in genoa, i think northern italy suffers from 'in between' syndrome. it is in between the relaxed vibes of places more south and the real efficiency of places further north. so like you are still having to deal with shit not being on time, awful driving, while at the same time people weren't as relaxed and laid back as places i went in spain, further south in italy and greece.
if i could do it over again i think i would have gone to SW france.
>>59767747
Not before I visit Ukraine
>>59767824
Kek I'll give you that
As for Amsterdam they weren't much better the people I was with couldn't speak English for shit and were high all the time so I understand the impatience of the locals
>>59767484
>Italians are quicker and louder. And expect the same from you.
Even in small cities? I'm "quick", I mean I walk fast and talk fast. I'm not loud though.
Would Italians think I'm weak and untrustworthy if I'm not loud?
>>59767830
I know exactly how you feel.
t. Padano
>>59767830
I see. Thanks for your insights. It's a bit the same in France between the north and the south as far as work ethic goes.
Fact that is unknown by 99.9% of the world's population: San Marino is richer than Switzerland. They're our little Monaco.
>>59767876
They weren't much better but* the people I was with
Forgot a word
>>59767612
>Who cares, hangout with the expats or show them the same bitter coldness back and they'll at least respect you.
If only. The thing is that this xenophobia is transferred to their laws. I read somewhere that it is almost impossible to naturalize as a Swiss citizen. In some cantons people literally VOTE to approve your citizenship. Which means that you basically have to go door to door introducing yourself and persuade them to vote for you.
>>59767890
dont get me wrong i still like it there, if i were italian i would want to live in northern italy. a lot of people from n. italy shill for it as if it's some perfect utopia tho, and i get unironic vibes from it when it's not true.
>>59767902
yea i know but things just work that little much better in like bordeaux for someone coming from the us to adjust to it better.
you can hate on america but day to day tend to work better here than in most other places in europe and you get used to it living here, without noticing it until you leave.
>>59768057
>day to day
day to day situations*
>>59768057
I don't hate on countries, i hate on specific ideas, specific people and specific things.
And the one advantage of living in an extremely meritocratic country where socialism means communism is that people don't go on strike.
Sup guys. How easy would it be for me to stay and work in Germany? I am a mechanic at a BMW dealer and have some factory training credentials.
Is this the sort of job that they would encourage immigrants to have? Or do they prefer to keep skilled labor jobs for the native population?
I say Germany because I studied it for a few years and it would be easy to relearn vs. starting with another language. They also obviously have a lot of BMW's.
I have also visited the Netherlands, France, and UK. French seems too difficult to learn and I have no background in romance languages. UK seems the most overpopulated and like they'd appreciate me being there least. I enjoyed the people in the Netherlands and it helps that everyone is fluent in English but I like the scenery and towns of Germany better.
Also considering straya but also not sure what their attitudes on people immigrating for skilled labor jobs are like. That and the cities seem too far apart and isolated. And all the deadly animals and giant insects.
>>59768159
i wasn't saying that you hated america, it is a figure of speech :P
but yeah what you're saying is a bit exaggerated but the overall theme is true.
>>59768176
The migration rules vary very much per country.
In the Netherlands for example you can import a worker if you have trouble finding a local worker in that field. It's really easy. Although most companies don't feel like filling out the paperwork. But in Germany it might work entirely different.
>>59768217
I know i know, i just decided to shoehorn my views of things while proceeding to make a gross generalization. :^}
>>59767531
>The dear leader is now illustrating the latest concept in the field of aerospacial propulsion to the newest freshmen in the Enginering academy.
There is no objective ranking of how "good" a country is. People are generally happiest where they fit in most. If you aren't happy in your own country, you probably won't be happy in another country.
