Thread #15
Previous Thread: >>2348885
Bring us your roughs, your storyboards, your pencil tests etc. Talk about industry, schools, the hopelessness of it all, how we all gonna make it etc.
If you're gonna post animation that isn't yours give source or state that it isn't yours.
Keep shitposting to a minimum. Don't feed the trolls.
>Stuff you may find useful, books basic program tutorials etc
https://mega.co.nz/#F!3p8CwQZD!DR2mC-kw0TyQQ8Uw3T6JYg
https://mega.co.nz/#!TdclgBqS!QWLS9f3ogerhJDfxCYPv_yFKRR11tP_IC0eaA4sEwug
>Reference stuff you can find with a simple google search
http://www.referencereference.com/
https://vimeo.com/groups/aniref
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvspTjApofA2Yg3i10gTdQ
http://www.rhinohouse.com/
Japanese style animation tutorial: http://listeningside.net/a_side00.html
Stoyboard & composition: http://www.floobynooby.com/comp1.html
>Play YT videos frame-by-frame
http://rowvid.com/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-plus/?src=search
Lastly, if you've got some good animation resources, contribute!
ps: copied from the last OP
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pic related:
http://akill-blazard.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
>>2376625
cute
>>2376625
>>2376629
and this is my really-shitty attempt
>>2376631
i like the different flow you gave it, also good stuff last thread
I feel like I fucked up somewhere on this
Trying to put some BG samples together for a job. Trying to update my old storyboard tests, trying to put together an animatic I can show potential clients for work.
I'm going out of my mind. Can't keep up with all this.
>>2376669
try move entire body when drawing keyframe
give him life
>>2376672
One thing at a time, one thing at a time...
any tips on learning to draw specifically for animation? A lot of the stuff posted here is geared towards painting or concept art.
>>2376625
May I know the person who animated this?
I'm completely new and have been using photoshop to practice.
Flash has this weird brush smoothing thing when drawing, how do I make the drawing just feel photoshop-like?
>>2376752
when you selected brush in Flash
you can edit smoothing value in Properties tab
Just saw this and I think it's totally worth sharing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw0h9WmBlsw
>>2376702
find this book and read it
How far did you study drawing before trying to animate?
And anybody knows how to use the Krita animation tool? I can't figure it out, isn't there a tutorial somewhere? (not a video if possible)
>>2376752
You can't, stop using it and get toonboom.
>>2376872
B-but he tells you to git gud at drawing before animating.
>>2376949
Yup.
Go do that.
>>2376702
Vilppu
>>2376712
https://krita.org/item/first-krita-3-0-pre-alpha/ it's from here, the artist is credited at the bottom of the article.
The other (fully painted) animation really blows my mind.
>>2376953
How?
>>2376845
>tfw no qt lead animator gf
>>2376702
1000 gestures a day
>>2377013
try to imitate the drawing in that book as much as you can
If you can draw a perfect circle or straight line
It shouldn't be a problem
>>2376697
BG samples first. Going to have them done by tomorrow morning.
>>2376702
read the sticky, fundamentals are fundamentals. just spend less time on painting and illustrations obviously.
>>2377013
You're in the right board, go look at the sticky.
any tips on making animatics/storyboards?
>>2378050
Watch movies
pause randomly
sketch
take notes
What kind of computers do you guys have/recommend? I'm getting a new one specifically for animation and I'm not sure what to get.
Are all-in-ones ok? I don't have much space for a tower with my current setup
I don't think you need anything specific except if you plan to do 3D.
>>2378863
2d stuff doesn't really require a lot of power, RAM is probably the most important, you should probably have at least 8GB. I use an old mac pro and it runs everything fine.
If we're talking 3D then you need to start worrying about power.
>>2376910
other anon but does toon boom have an interactive option like an interactive flash swf?
>>2376625
I have a question for everyone
For school, what's a good portfolio? I'm going for animation but was told my portfolio doesn't have to be entirely related to that since I'm going there to learn it and don't have much basis in it yet myself. Lots of read-knowledge, nothing applied and I only have eight days to get this together.
Would character designs be acceptable if they're polished? Character turn arounds? Should I make some sequential art to show what understanding I do have of it now?
Or should it be all studies, still lifes, figure drawings?
Right now i currently have a painting I did, a digital portrait in my style rather than realism, and a bunch of gesture and figure drawings to work with.
I haven't been drawing for a few years because of depression but I finally shook out of that funk and decided to start fresh by going to school and take classes since obviously learning all on my own hasn't been working out.
But I'm kind of at a loss of what to add. The guidelines I've been given are "between 5-10 pieces" and was told by the counselor that it could be a range of mediums.
Which is why I'm having trouble. With such a large amount of options I don't know what to do.
>>2379339
there are plenty of artists who don't need pic related, and have been developing their application portfolio for months.
you are fucked, just give up. the world does not need an abundance of artists, and the amount of money you invest in art school will be better off flushed down the toilet. if you cannot muster up the drive and passion to study on your own, who says classes will help?
just trying to be honest with you.
Does anyone know if there are any good books or videos covering how to rig a decent character in Toonboom? Everything I can find either isn't in depth enough, or leans to much on the digital side with the characters coming out like something from Johnny Test or Total Drama Island. It seems that nothing really covers a good mix of combining traditional and digital elements to make character rigs like those in Gumball and Wonder Over Yonder.
>>2379339
A lot of life drawing and character design.
>>2379511
Okay cool so character design would be acceptable then. It's hard to tell because so many google results gave me either portfolios for pros looking for work or fine arts students which isn't my major.
>>2379488
Pardon me for being a beginner needing some direction. You're right I should've stepped out of the womb knowing everything and not needing to ask questions.
Also not fucked :) I have most of the pieces done already but the last few I wasn't sure about.
You're being honest but you fail to realize not everyone is the same as you. Just because you can't crank out three pieces in eight days (the amount I'm missing) doesn't mean I can't ;)
>>2379488
>some people didn't ask and did good, so if you ask you're dumb
One of the stupidest arguments I've seen here
>>2379488
Holy fuck this board
>>2379511
>Receive & understand character design assignments from Art Director/Design Supervisor.
What would be considered some good lectures to watch on character design?
>>2379302
Nope, but flash is on its death door literally and will be phased out from browser support within 2 years.
>>2379504
That's the exact same problem i've had finding tutorials for it (and one that covered multi angles/drawing swaps, there were no tutorials), so i've had to figure it all out over the past 2 months. But now that i know how to it's super simple to make, i'm thinking of just doing some tutorials because there's nothing on youtubet o do 3/4 of the stuff in this rig alone.
>>2379745
Render view of the rig combined with a background wip that has equalized line width (so that even when you zoom, your lines dont scale linerally and become huge like they would in normal mode/flash).
>>2379745
Do it. I'd definitely watch. Hell, at this point I'd take a roughly worded tutorial.
It's sad that there's so little information on Toon Boom considering how powerful the program can be.
>>2379339
If it helps, you should look at Sheridan's animation portfolio requirements. Its requirements got a mix of life drawing, character turnarounds, environments, and storyboarding, and probably more which I can't remember.
Also:
>http://sheridanritualsacrifice.tumblr.com/
More in-depth descriptions and suggestions from Sheridan students on how to approach the Sheridan portfolio, and potentially any other school's portfolio.
But yeah, the school you're looking at may have different requirements and preferences so try to google and see if you can find accepted students' applications and works.
>>2379885
Im not really sure how id do the tutorial since theres a lot i'd like to explain thats not covered anywhere. Whether i'd be better off doing tutorials on specific parts or all together i'll have to ponder.
Meanwhile more bg work with top workmode and bot render view.
I downloaded TVpaint's demo and played around a bit, but only understood about a 1/10th of the features and nothing about actually animating.
Is anyone working in PS for animation? TVpaint, ToonBoom are too expensive for me and the free options don't seem to be working on my computer.
anyone tried freeform deformation things like spine/creature ?
>>2379744
well crap
>>2379732
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbdyjrrJAjDIACjCsjAGFAA
>>2380289
Those are decent for building simple characters that face one direction, he also shows off a few neat tricks with rigging the mouth and eyes, but when it comes to the more complex things, say having the character face different views but keeping the movement consistent in the various parts while changing the view, he only lightly touches on it and doesn't tell you how to rig it that way. I'm going through the official toonboom videos again to see if they are any good. I remember them being pretty mediocre, but maybe I'll pick up on something new.
Something I did for one of my classes
>>2377013
Make shitty traces of sonic the hedgehog fan art.
>>2380664
good shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmcIzSUwtzA
some work
:3
>>2380917
It's something.
>>2381084
I'm working on a rick and morty parody, but i'd like to use that rig as well to do tutorials on how to work like that in toonboom.
>>2381140
You can buy its a pile of garbage and movie clips dont play if you do native export. Newgrounds made an app just for that reason to convert swf to video called Swivel:
https://www.newgrounds.com/wiki/creator-resources/flash-resources/swivel
>>2380289
Yep his tutorals are really good, but they worked with only one angle (well two with the back view, but it was more of like a z-shift flip than a complete turn).
Also if you look at his other tutorials with the bunny he talks about how he only uses pencil now and how he was using brush in the old tutorials and how you don't really wanna use brush for rig building (hes completely right about that too, i started out only using brush as well before i realized why you use pencil).
>>2380289
About this guy, he says something about pressing the play button can crash computers because it renders everything as it plays. Is that true? If I get toonboom would I have to scrub through the timeline like he does?
>>2381220
Hes using a 4 year old version of harmony, i've been using 12 and it hasn't really crashed during a render (however, you should have autosave on or save a lot regardless).
The play render button renders the actual frames and plays it like it would a final composition, normally you just scrub through timeline like you would in flash or use < > keys to scrub through every frame.
do any god tier 2d animators exist in the u.s
>>2382681
Cool, what music is this guy raving to?
just striking a pose. if music is needed, probably to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcFJnBL09zc
Is it better to animate straight on, or to plan out the keys first and use that as like a guide when you're working?
>>2382722
for "unpredictable", "physical" stuff like fire, it's best to animate forwards. (What would the keyframes of fire even look like? they would have no resemblance to eachother, so it wouldn't help you in any way)
For most other stuff it's usually considered better to keyframe/block it first, although there are some people who just animate body motion forwards and such as well, I think
>>2382722
Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8quCbt4C-c&list=PL-bOh8btec4CXd2ya1NmSKpi92U_l6ZJd&index=4
what's a simple enough program to animate with? easytoon feels a little lacking
>>2383168
http://flipbook.in/
>>2383168
simple frame by frame, decent brush
http://animationpaper.com/old-pap-free-download/
>>2382722
What does planning out keys entail exactly? Ive only ever just drawn as I go
![walkreference1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/tZCZiNG.png "walkreference1[1].png")
>>2383372
If you look on the left in the image here, you can see the keyframes of a walk cycle. The finished cycle is gonna be 13 frames, but he starts out with the two most important ones - the beginning and the end. Then he gets the middle frame (because it's not just a straight motion), and then the ones in between the middle and the beginning and end. At this point, he's basically made his walk cycle, it's just a bit choppy - he has all the frames that define the motion and he can tell his trained monkey inbetweener to fill out the blanks.
>>2380664
pretty sweet.
>>2376625
>>2383481
I still want to go in a do more on this one.
IE. fix up the smoke, maybe color him in.
But as of now i just want to know what is off about him.
>>2380917
Sorry if it looks like shit (kinda new at this drawing and animating thing), but maybe this gif could help. I tried to exaggerate its breathing to make it seem more 'alive'. Have you tried that yet?
>>2382656
alan becker
>>2383493
that's better imo
>>2382656
Don Hertzfeldt
Bill Plympton
>>2378572
I rike
>>2383493
i didn't really want it to be that heavy of a pant, but that's cool man
the pant i was trying to do was sort of just, like an idleness?
>>2380917
it's just a moving hold man
>>2384047
I swear to god you've been posting that since like early 2015 family man, what gives? Move on, brother!
>>2384053
fair enough
>>2384057
I'm just saying. There aren't any super glaring flaws but I can't imagine no one's told you what flaws there are since you first posted it. For what it's worth it looks like you added a second or two of animation from what I remember, but yeah you gotta diversify your portfolio my nigga
>>2384072
I plan on making a short story with this guy and I mainly just want to have a refined pencil sketch to inspire me to actually work on the rest. Now that I was finally able to actually put it through the scanner and thus see all the details I thought I might be able to get another critique.
yeah I made a couple of flipbooks but they are small in scale compared to my last stuff that I don't really see the point of posting it.
As of now I've been just studying Loomis and taking a couple art classes. Animation has always been something I've been just working on my own.
I'll start up something on Saturday. But i probably won't have anything to post until next weekend. we'll see.
>>2383838
actually I picked a gif on the net and tried to do the inbetween, that's all
even if I went a little bored after a few drawings and added some for myself (the original was too long and the action was hardly comprehensible anyway)
There was a dude offering animation commissions in the previous porn thread.
>>2369579
Is $30 for 8 frames worth it (while taking his style into consideration)?
>>2384173
Watch this and you tell me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q19QNBkh0Y
>>2384174
tl'dr he's basically a retard for charging that little and you're Jewish as fuck for trying to fuck him out of 4 frames at $30/8
Shame on both of you.
>>2383785
Thanks!
>>2383996
Yeah, maybe I've exaggerated too much. The thing is, dogs move up slightly when breathing in and down slightly when breathing out. Here's a video of a dog panting in slow-motion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7De5mBfyHg
Lessening the distance between the highest and lowest frame can make the dog look calmer, as there's less motion. Maybe that's more the idleness you're looking for? Hope it helps!
>>2383828
>Hertzfeldt
Student tier animator, god tier director.
>>2384237
thanks! and thank for that video dude, fucken saved
>>2384175
>fuck him out of 4 frames
Trying to wut?
>>2383481
Stoner sloth, awesome.
It's not very smooth.
Does anyone have a cracked version of storyboard pro? There's only two torrents on TPB and from the comments it seems they're still limited versions.
>>2384592
In the other thread you tried to haggle with him into doing 12 frames for $30 instead of 8.
>>2384661
That wasn't me dude. I'm a different potential client getting an appraisal.
But, 'if' it's just arm movement, big deal?
>>2384711
Yes, it is a big deal. At $30 for 8 frames he's already going to be working for like $7 an hour tops and he should probably kill himself if he values his work that low after all the time je spent getting to his level, mediocre though it may be
>>2384746
Understood. I shall respect the effort and integrity of the artist.
>>2384840
Thanks nigga; you're doing the right thing.
trying out TVPaint for the first time... just a moomin troll to test.
>tfw want to animate but my draws are too shit
>>2384946
finally a fellow tvpaint user!
we just became friends.
do you have a blog?
>>2384946
Slow that down about halfway, bud.
>>2384971
Yeah, I had the frame rate lower when I made it but after exporting it went back to like 24. Not sure how to change it.
>>2384968
Cool dude, what program do other people use? Wanna make sure I'm on the 'right track'.
and yeah, it's http://mediumheightgiraffe.tumblr.com/
>>2384988
a lot of people stick with flash.. or whatever it's new name is.
toonboom is also doing good.
Tvpaint is used more and more though, especially in europe.
>>2384999
also photoshop has animation options.. but it's not for everyone
>>2385005
Having used it before I can say that It's not for anyone, honestly.
>>2385014
no, there's great animations that have been made in photoshop, i think that there is a small number of people who know it well enough to make it work.
i myself woudn't use it for anything more than a looping gif animation though.
>>2384946
thats cute hehe
>>2384946
link blog you cunt
I haven't animated in about a year, so I'm trying to brush up by doing really simple movements. The head morphs/shrinks a bit when he turns his head, but you know, practice etc etc.
>>2386012
Nice.Blog? What program?
>>2386014
>What program
This question triggers me, it's not like you get better if you use a different software.. Also, it's fucking TVP you goddam retard.
>>2386015
>it's not like you get better if you use a different software
Yes it does. Flash sucks dick for drawing and has for at least 15 years.
>>2386014
Yes, it's TVPaint with the "soft pencil tool".
Here is my Tumblr but ever since uploading that animation, my layout got fucked up and I'm not sure why the hell that happened. I even re-uploaded the layout and it's still glitching out. Weird.
http://elenamanetta.tumblr.com/
>>2386015
First you don't have to be a cunt. Not everybody likes using shitty flash. Also I'm new to animation and i'm just trying to find the best program that works for me because I don't like how flash makes my art look.
>>2386048
Read the thread before asking stupid questions ;)
>>2386053
No where in the OP description does it say, "Here is a free program", it only has links with general descriptions like "Stuff you might find useful". Unless you expect people to enter every link they read in a description just in case there might be a pirated program attached.
Learning. Bit off more than I could chew but it's fun so far.
>>2386075
i love more mature animation, it's great.
>>2386107
>you still in new york
Yes! Born here, so I'll probably only move if I get job offers in California.
>>2386135
We should hang out hue hue
>>2376702
John k's blog. Also, he recommends using Preston blare's books.
>>2379744
The application itself is being phased out for adobe animate, which exports html5.
>>2376910
Toonboom has a really steep learning curve.
>>2385023
That's like saying that because people can do good things in MSPAINT that it isn't a hinderance. Photoshop's timeline is absolutely abysmal to deal with. Do not recommend tbhfam.
>>2376702
Don't study other animation until you've already studied live action.
>>2383343
http://flipbook.in/id/1454886746
That's a bit shitty but that's my best to date
Too bad the body is shrinking with the frames, it doesn't loop well
>>2380194
no.
>>2386012
The hair needs a little work. it sorta slides off at the end.
anyone tried this out?
http://www.kdanmobile.com/en/animation-desk/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_NBElYaBdQ
>>2386012
Really expressive, I like it
>>2386015
Why answer "Tv paint" when you can actually make a full phrase saying how the question triggers u, im laugh so hard at people like this.
>>2386421
Ehh i guess? If you're coming from flash or know animation in general it's not radically diffierent. The changes are you have to think of each layer as a technical symbol, and that each one has overlayer/line/color/underlayer, and to use pegs instead of animating on the drawing.
>>2386421
Not nearly as much as TvPaint, at least UI-wise.
>>2382732
Thank you for this, gonna bingewatch these now.
>>2384946
This is adorable
>>2386053
You're an idiot. Get off the computer, you're forgetting how to act with other human beings being online so much.
>>2386135
I only recently moved out of NY, I honestly can't understand why anyone born there would want to stay thre. Unless you mean NYC in which case, use NYC not NY to describe your locale since they're very very different from one another.
>>2386015
Good animator, shitty person
>>2388128
Artists that show off their work are prone to be a lot more polite while they're in the spotlight, so just assume that they're not the asshole respondent.
>>2388128
Pretty sure the response a post or two sown was the animator to be honest family mane
>>2388182
*down
Shake my head
>>2386012
holy shit
>>2386047
holy shit it's you! I've seen some of your posts on /r/animation and really like your work. How's that superhero project coming along?
Is copying (not tracing) other animations a good way to improve your sense of timing, weight, etc?
What animated movies are recommended for inspiration and studying?
>>2388616
it's a good way to study how the animator approached timing, spacing, etc, as long as you're thinking about that stuff actively and not just blindly copying. like think why did they make this part on 3s rather than 2s, why did the hips move so much horizontally from this frame to the next, stuff like that. make sure you study real life as well though
>>2388723
I mean it depends what you like so it's subjective. I'm mostly into western stuff so I can't give Japanese recs beyond what I've seen (not that much). In terms of animation quality check out:
3d:
Tangled (exaggerated animation that still feels really believable, especially pay attention to how characters use very few poses but those poses are strong and communicate ideas effectively)
Wreck-it Ralph (a lot of creativity and skill in blending the different styles of the characters)
HTTYD2 (good acting and very well animated fighting / midair stuff)
2d:
The Illusionist (genuinely animated realism at the highest level)
Aladdin (for exagerrated animation that doesn't go into looney tunes territory)
Prince of Egypt (less exaggerated but a smoother style - the acting is really good especially)
Only Yesterday (slice of life/regular stuff that's animated really well, since I feel well animated action is easy to find in Japan anyway)
Can somebody give me some help on using TVP? I've never encountered a program so difficult to use
I figured out how to enable onion layers yesterday and I found a really inconvenient way of adding frames
How do I add new frames in the form of a hotkey simillar to flash?
>>2388616
Are those kind of animations only "gesture drawings"?
>taking the test for a job in 1 month
>still struggling with head turn and タップ割り in general
Nigger I'm not going to make it.
>>2389162
Here's a video on how to edit hotkeys. You're going to want to spend a lot of time in there, I had to edit every single hotkey from the original setup. I don't even remember what the original hotkeys were like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8PzIuT4-8c
>>2389174
The original was just a normal animation with color and all. I made this one to try to understand how the animator timed it. Didn't really feel like drawing it all out since that wasn't what I was focusing on.
>>2389175
I'm not sure what that nip is saying, but if you want to animate a life-like character, just rotating the head to the side like that is going to look like you'rre just screwing the head off of a mannequin.
Try adding this to your in-betweens to make her more lifelike:
Tilt her head slightly down on the way around.
Have her blink as she turns her head.
>>2389557
Thanks for the advice but that's not my animation.
http://listeningside.net/a_side08.html
>Try adding this to your in-betweens to make her more lifelike:
>Tilt her head slightly down on the way around.
>Have her blink as she turns her head
The test I'm taking is for an inbetweener position so adding those will fail me the test.
>>2389175
whats the test exactly? mind uploading it? would love to see what they test you on at japanese companies. what studio by the way?
>>2389593
It's an exam for an inbetweener position I'm applying.
I haven't receive the actual test yet but they'll be something basic like these
http://listeningside.net/a_side08.html
http://listeningside.net/a_side09.html
http://listeningside.net/a_side10.html
I'll be given sets of keyframes and I will have to do the clean up and inbetween.
>what studio by the way?
It's a small subcontractor not located in Japan.
>>2389616
where is it located/are you working from home? How'd you hear about it and hows the pay?
>>2389943
>where is it located/are you working from home?
In SEA. More and more works are being outsourced to here because there's not enough animator in Japan.
>and hows the pay?
I don't know about the pay since I haven't started working yet. Just planned to apply for the job.
I heard it wasn't good tho, just as one would expect from an entry position in an industry known for treating their workers like slaves.
But hey, I guess it's not as bad as being an inbetweener in Japan because it's not expensive to live here.
Once I have enough skill and experience to become a key animator, I'm moving to Japan.
>>2390045
>entry position
entry-level position
>>2377013
life drawing. Learn the concept of weight, which happens to be essential in animation.
>>2390045
Just curious but are you the guy who made the thread about wanting to move to Japan to be an animator? Why do you want to work in Japan or Korea if you know it's pretty much slave labor? It's your decision but I just want to know. Are you trying to learn the language? How are you preparing for the move?
>>2390080
>Just curious but are you the guy who made the thread about wanting to move to Japan to be an animator?
No, I never made a thread here.
>Why do you want to work in Japan or Korea if you know it's pretty much slave labor?
Where else can you really work as a serious 2D animator?
2D animation in France seems sporadic and the US is full of Flash/Toonboom tween cartoon.
>Are you trying to learn the language?
I know basic Japanese but not enough to communicate IRL.
I hope to be proficient enough to work there 3 years.
>How are you preparing for the move?
I'm not really preparing anything, aside from learning the language.
Getting a working permit will be tough but I'll have to try my best.
I have a bachelor's degree but it's not animation-related so it might not help...
>>2386841
Yeah! I noticed that after I finished it and felt like I really need to do a lot more drawings with this character turning his head to actually figure out the way I should do his hair. Right here, I was kind of going based on just a front view - side view which I now realize don't make sense when transitioning.
>>2388429
Good! Outside of the main three, quite a few characters have been scrapped or re-written. It's mostly something I've been developing on the side as stress-relief and since I have full-time work now, I don't have tons of time to work on it. But I figure it's good to have three or four developed pitches in your sack if you plan to get around in animation industry, in the chance you get an opportunity to pitch to someone.
>>2390169
What kind of 2d work do you do? Freelance or for a big studio?
just gotta inbetween and add a few futures, thinkin floppy ears maybe?
why do people say tvpaint is difficult to use, does it crash often? looking to try it
anybody try fire alpaca for animating?
toon boom ain't doin it for me
>>2390174
At the moment, just where ever I can get work. Before I was a 2D animation intern for a commercial studio, Hornet. Right now I'm just a temp at Blue Sky coloring storyboards. That will end in March and I think I'll be going back to Hornet to do storyboards full-time, not entirely sure. I've only been out of college for about a year now.
>>2390464
You can block out the movement with the keyframes, sorta like a slideshow of the motion
>>2376752
How long did it take you?
First attempt at animating a walk cycle
Tips?
>>2390527
Cleaned it up
>>2390465
the interface is really confusing at first, isn't similar to other software. but once you're used to it, customize things, possibly add a couple plugins, its easy to use
>>2390465
>does it crash often?
It did.
Installing the latest wacom driver fixed it for me.
>>2390585
The frames are in the wrong order.
>>2389616
>http://listeningside.net/a_side09.html
>http://listeningside.net/a_side10.html
Someone should tell japan that people twist their torso when walking and running.
>>2390627
anime isn't real life, silly human
>>2390627
>Someone should tell japan that people twist their torso when walking and running
Oh I'm sure JAPAN know that but the author just drew those keyframes that way so they're easy to inbetween because that's the point of the tutorial.
>>2390465
It takes a lot of time to get used to, but like the other anon said, it's easy to use. Personally I find it really good mostly for frame-by-frame animation, and the interface is lovely once you get all the basics down.
>>2390527
>Tips?
Learn to draw, perhaps?
>>2390464
nigga those arent key frames, they're too far apart and disconected. you should be able to read the basic movement with keys, this is like a timelapse recording
>>2380917
You draw the action and plan it out with keyframes and then you draw in between those keyframes to animate it.
>>2376625
>tfw making a big cartoon with a friend
>tfw realized using blender is a big mistake
>Finally realized I'm screwing up big time by relying completely on 3D for my cartoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ai2Ew_fgI
The other day I realized why everything I made looked so flat. I have never done any life drawing before.
Now I have to put the entire cartoon on hold until I can improve my art skills which is going along pretty steadily but not fast enough.
Anyway, this is the best animation I've made so far and this is back when I finally started looking at animation tutorials in highschool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_OGJOyCq5g
>>2390712
That's a big ukulele.
>>2390718
For you.
>>2376625
Does knowing how to draw and animate translate well to stop-motion and sculpting?
>>2391368
>stop-motion
maybe
>sculpting
totally different level
>>2390692
Literally what is wrong with that except that the animation is wrong. It's just a goddamn sketch that was made in ten minutes, jesus, stop acting like everyone is shit
>>2392414
A good drawing can be rough but yours are just plain bad.
It should be obvious to anyone who's not blind.
>>2392414
Why did you ignore my comment? I looked up the polished version in photoshop and you have several frames in the wrong order. That's why it appears jumpy. Fix that and post it again.
>>2392414
learn to draw before learning how to animate. As is, your art is mediocre and even if you knew everything about keyframes and movement your animation will still look shitty because you can't draw
lol
>>2393147
Anyone who wants to move to Japan just to animate is literally a fucking moron or possibly a masochist. 2D animation work is practically dead in America but at least you can just translate those skills to other departments, like storyboarding or character design. Much better to just switch departments than be a slave.
>>2392414
You should see how the average animation "rough sketch". Should give you an idea how much you'll need to learn before animating.
>>2393196
Not everyone here is an American, friend.
For me, moving to Japan is easier than trying to get an animation job in the States.
>>2393288
>For me, moving to Japan is easier than trying to get an animation job in the States.
That's my point. I find it better to have to switch over to storyboarding and not have an animation job and get paid somewhat well than to animate in Japan and get paid shit. Sure you're animating which is your passion or whatever, but there's a limit. If you're unable to live while satisfying your passion, you gotta make compromises.
>>2393311
By an animation job I mean any animation-related job in general, storyboarding included.
Hell, I probably can't get any job in America at all, let alone animation.
And if you're skilled enough to be a storyboard or character artist in America, chances you will be paid well enough to live comfortably in Japan anyway.
It's the young inexperienced inbetweeners who can't draw fast enough that are suffering from the low pay.
what level should my art be at before I start animating?
>>2393362
I think you should graduate from "Fun with a Pencil" before animating anything.
When animating how do people break down the keys and initial sketches for movement? Is the image broken down into the essence of the shapes (i.e the torso is just a moving oval)?
>>2393147
living the life
>>2393973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJOziG8cCMg
Is a good video to watch to understand animator mindset.
How do I get started with making an animated short?
A script?
>>2394280
Script / designs (environments/characters)
Storyboard
Animatic (with audio)
Start animating. Obviously this is a process on its own with regards to getting organised with dope sheets etc. but it really depends.
Alright guys give me something to animate before bed
>>2393196
I'm actually thinking about going to Japan for a year or two for exactly that. Becoming a slave and learning some retarded work ethic.
>>2394538
A girl taking off her skirts.
I'm doing my first animation. What's the one thing that's gonna give me the most trouble?
>>2394554
Starting
>>2390696
If we were to go by Richard Williams definition then those exactly are key frames and what you're talking about would be extremes.
>>2394554
more like what's not gonna give you trouble
>>2394812
I've already got a decent story, and about 80% of it storyboarded. I've practiced a few basic animations (running, walking, blinking, etc.), but otherwise have zero animation experience.
So far, what will give me the MOST trouble?
>>2394816
Probably getting that animation done, depending on how long it is. If you haven't completed a full animation with story you'll soon find out how really time consuming it is. Anything you might not have practiced will take a while to have it read properly and get the timing to work well for the audience. Also make sure to save often.
>>2394848
A year?
>>2394826
I'm planning on doing 20-30 mins. at 12 fps; how long would something like that take on average?
>>2394852
Sorry, meant 12, not 18
>>2394854
It takes me two months for something that usually lasts around 6 minutes with 24 fps. You do the math
>>2394855
gotcha.
For context, Miyazaki said that Studio Ghibli made 5 minutes of finished animation in a month, if I remember correctly
>>2394854
20-30 minutes is A LOT, even 5 minutes is a lot for one person.
You've never done an animation before so I'd suggest doing several small ones before attempting a big one. You'll learn more, get better faster and it won't be disheartening when you're months in with little done.
>>2394854
depends on how complex your animation is
I finished this in 2-3 weeks, 38 scenes in total,
since there are not much action scenes
https://vimeo.com/136430697
this one has only 1 scene
but took me 4-5 days to create it
>>2376631
btw,study some "story structure",
It can help you create some short and good story
>>2394068
thank you this was very helpful.
>>2395440
that was nice
>>2395440
What are some resources on story structure? I really struggle with this
>>2376625.
one of my old art .. i know it's shit..
>>2395473
maybe this will help?
https://virgam.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/anim-draw-48-ssa-ideas-anim-shorts.pdf
basically
there're 2 concepts: 3-act structure or 5 stage plot
both are similar, you can base on these to create long or short story
https://creatureartteacher.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0lLeNdvLrFozQRsQ1TQiAw
Sharing this with anyone if they're interested.
>>2394854
That's going to take a long time for one person to do. It takes students at animation schools about a year to make a 2-4 minute long animation, though that includes preproduction like designing, storyboarding, and layouts.
>>2386012
no construction on the jaw at all. It's really bothering me. beautiful front, horrendous side view.
>>2386012
ref that shit, damn
What do you lot think about the timing?
http://flipbook.in/id/1455449300
>tfw im a classical fine artist and i did this with my laptop touch pad
how do u gentlemen like my garbage
>>2386109
>mature animation
>porn
ok then kiddo
>>2397231
>that profile
are you for real?
>>2397478
That second bounce seems to short and quick
>>2397671
Yeah, I thought that might be the case. I had another try to sort out those last bounces.
>lad 1: I love the animation!
lad 2: It's not bad, but the character's head could have been more round to make her cuter.
>lad 1: I was talking about the animation, not character design. Those two are as different as night and day.
lad 2: I thought you were talking about the animation as a whole. Sorry, I misunderstood your point.
>lad 1: I know very well what animation means, I do and study it. I did mean the animation as a whole, character animation is also animation. Character design is another thing all-together.
Is character design not included in "animation as a whole"? I though animation as a whole meant everything: animation, design, the atmosphere, the sound etc.
