You're Hitler. What next? Can you still win the war?
>>1058658
Okay I'll make defensive lines towards Russia but I mobilize most of my troops toward Western Yurop. I tell Norway to invade Iceland and if they're successful, move down against Scotland where the Germany Navy and Airforce will move upwards from the south, completely surrounding Britain.
Once Britain is surrounded completely, we invade, destroy Britain, conquer it, and then wait for the Americans and Canadians to arrive.
Meanwhile I put some of my other troops from the Western Front into the Eastern Front just in case Russia wants to invade my defensive line, in order to strengthen the defensive line some more.
I win as Hitler, Third Reich confirmed.
>>1058658
At this stage in the war, not even Hitler knew he could win. At best he was hoping for a white peace or a stalemate
>>1058680
With what navy do you invade with? Even if you somehow land a force massive enough to beat the British, how do you resupply them, dodging the fire of the superior RAF while at the same time avoiding the laughably superior RN?
Tell the allies they have one week to have a white peace before mass executions of French citizens begins, if they comply release France and move all troops from the western back to Germany.
>>1058690
Just tell the Norwegians to invade Britain. Problem solved.
>>1058658
First off, and most importantly, when Pearl Harbor gets bombed DO NOT DECLARE WAR ON THE UNITED STATES. This would severely delay if not
stop the US from getting involved in Europe.
Second, I wouldn't invade Russia until Britain has been dealt with and to do that I'd focus on getting Britain to the negotiating table. Whether that be by going the benevolent route and stopping the bombs, dropping aid, and trying to help or heavier bombing because an invasion of the British Isles is just logistically unfeasible given their superior navy and a multitude of other reasons.
Third - If, by some miracle, peace with Britain is made, get ready to invade the Soviets. Take them by surprise, start the invasion in the last few weeks of Winter/first few weeks of Spring so there's plenty of warm weather and drive straight to Moscow, don't divert attention, focus on Moscow first. Once Moscow is captured focus on securing oil fields. Don't try and take Stalingrad, starve them out like Leningrad.
>>1058690
I invade with all of my navy, and the landed armies will be resupplied by looting the British countryside which is why I said I wanted to destroy it in favor for my troops' morale.
Invade Russia, destroy the Red Army west of the Dniester River, occupy Leningrad, Moscow and the North Caucasus with in three months. Subjugate the rest of the USSR up to the Urals the next summer.
>>1058704
>a plan that literally depends on a miracle
>>1058713
>with all of my navy
wat
>>1058713
Germany's navy was just barely more than a bunch of out-dated subs
>>1058718
All of my navy. ALL OF IT.
>>1058717
Look it's a long shot but if Hitler pulled out of North Africa and agreed not to touch British colonies maybe their would've been enough public pressure on Churchill to negotiate. Oh who am I kidding, only way to get Britain to the negotiating table is to have Churchill killed. I recommend using the IRA, once Churchill is disposed of it'd be considerably easier to get them to the table
>>1058722
You don't know how naval warfare works or Germany's naval power during the war
>>1058717
>a plan that literally depends on a miracle
Like Case Blue, Yellow and White. He is just being in character.
>>1058704
>First off, and most importantly, when Pearl Harbor gets bombed DO NOT DECLARE WAR ON THE UNITED STATES. This would severely delay if not
>stop the US from getting involved in Europe.
Don't you think Roosevelt would have found a way to get involved if he really wanted to? Some staged incident à la Vietnam maybe...
>>1058680
>Norway invade Iceland
Have fun moving all those transports past Scapa Flow and half the British surface fleet. Even trying to move troops to Norway cost the Germans the majority of their surface fleet. Trying to crawl across the RN-infested North Sea to stage an amphibious invasion of Iceland with no ability to resupply, no air support, and no surface ships for artillery purposes is not a winning paradigm. This is just as bad for invading England itself, and made worse by the exceptionally homeland defense measures they were taking. It'd be a nightmare.
And of course, you yourself stated the most important problem - the Americans and Canadians. The fall of England would probably be enough to trigger an American declaration of War. At that point, the only difference would be US landings in Iceland, then England in reverse order to your plan followed by the invasion of France. Any sign of weakness or significant withdrawals of troops from the horrendously long and faulty defensive line across Eastern Europe would be enough to send Uncle Joe across the border, fighting the offensive war he'd always wanted with the time to rest and reorganize he's always needed.
You'd end up with a more rapid decolonization due to a heavily Americanized England, as well as a stronger Soviet sphere of influence in Eastern and parts of Western Europe due to the Commies having more time to overrun stuff.
It's be interesting in its results, but other than that I don't know.
>>1058723
the IRA were a bunch of incompetent shits at the time though
>>1058729
What are you talking about? Roosevelt was scrambling to find a reason to go to war in Europe and public support was only for going to was in Pacific against Japan until Germany declared war on the United States.
>>1058701
kek
>>1058713
What fucking supplies do you think the British are housing? Where are you going to get more ammo? Replacement tanks? New artillery? Fuel? You're not computing what a modern military force needs to continue operations, this isn't the 1400's, you need a constant chain of supplies. Germany also doesn't have NEARLY enough ships to land a sizable force in the UK, and the RAF can easily bomb any shitty collection of fishing boats into submission. And, if Germany does succeed in landing the massive army in the UK, by swimming across the channel, I suppose, defeating the RAF, neutralizing the RN, and getting a supply chain that runs from London to Scapa Flow, what do you think the USSR will do while you're fighting the Home Defense Force? Stand there with their thumbs up their asses? No, they'll stab you in the back, and be in Berlin by the time you pull your forces out.
>>1058741
But IF a member of the IRA kills him and they don't find out about German involvement he wouldn't be martyred by the Nazis but by the Irish
>>1058714
Honestly, this sounds like a great plan. Secures your Eastern flank, gives you oil and a ton of other ressources and gives you the possibility to threaten the Brits in the Middle East. Hitler gets unreasonably much shit for it.
>>1058750
Even if there is no evidence of German involvement, they'll be assumed responsible.
>>1058756
Well it's a lot more likely than operation Sea Lion working
Why didn't Hitler make an effort to assassinate Stalin in 1941? Like sending a suicide parachute divison right to the Cremlin. The ensueing infighting could have really got things going
>>1058658
Challenge Churchill to single gladiatorial combat, winner-take-all
>>1058737
Gallup polls after the fall of France show an ever growing push for war among the U.S. populace.
>>1058773
Churchill would tear off Hitler's head and use it the stump to put out his cigar
>>1058779
Doesn't change the fact the American public was still largely isolationist
>>1058768
>cremlin
>>1058658
My best bet would probably be to give total control of all of France back to Vichy and install a vaguely right-wing phony-borgeoisie government that would act as a plausible replacement for the deposed one. Partition the Balkans up between Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary because who gives a fuck about the Balkans.
Pressure Spain to be more of a team player and lend at least total political recognition of a new European order. Same with Sweden. Also military transit rights from both.
Use secret police and SS to destroy political opposition within occupied lands and support any nationalist independence movements that are right-leaning in order to gain an international image as a 'liberator' rather than conqueror.
Keep German-speaking low countries, Denmark, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and western Poland for myself but otherwise try as hard as I can to achieve peace with England by 'conceding' things I already own and have no need for.
If they refuse- then the sitzkrieg begins. Rather trying to conquer England (retard level move) I do what Napoleon did and embargo them and sit on my superior land army while NOT invading Russia.
Capturing Gibraltar would be key for this- but if Spain isn't retarded they'll help me or get anschluss'd.
Eventually even with American foreign aid- short of getting the US to declare war on me for no reason England will be pretty well fucked. They can have a colonial empire if they want- I don't want Africa back- and in fact I won't even waste the troops helping Italy fuck around in the sand with the Britbongs.
Abandon Jap alliance when they fuck up and attack US.
Eventually even if peace is never declared- the UK will have to concede they've lost. If not start throwing V3s at them until that changes.
If I can keep my territorial integrity straight until about 1945-6 I probably did it. This all assumes this map is before declaration of war on USSR. Otherwise too late I shoot myself for being retarded.
>>1058798
How are you going to deal with an inevitable economic depression because your economy is geared toward conquest?
>Land a large force in North Africa to engage the Empire, rest of the army guards the Eastern border and the French coast
>take Egypt, if possible kill and capture many British soldiers while doing so
>ask Britain to sign a peace treaty
>if they decline, invade Palestine and Iraq to get the oil
>install independent regimes
>scale up aircraft and submarine production and resume the attacks on RAF airfields
>take Gibraltar
>try to inflict further losses on the British army in Africa
>fortify the Eastern border and wait
>>1058680
Please delete this cancer.
>>1058780
Not sure about that one, Hitler had seen the trenches, I'm sure he knew how to bludgeon a man to death.
>>1058658
At no point in the war did hitler have a realistic chance of winning. I cant even imagine what he could have done to give himself such a genuine chance
>>1058904
>Land a large force in North Africa to engage the Empire, rest of the army guards the Eastern border and the French coast
>They starve and run out of food and fuel about 200 miles out of Tobruk because there are no railroads and the British are taking potshots at your supply ships.
FTFY.
>>1058941
He would need to alter the political foundations of the war that people would be willing to accept limited war with limited aims and peace treaties after his initial successes.
>>1058755
He gets shit for it because it had virtually 0 chance of succeeding, the fact that he literally HAD to do it is irrelevant
>>1058967
>He would need to alter the political foundations of the war
His entire economy was underwritten by an assumed war of conquest. If war spoils hadnt started pouring in then the whole german economy would have collapsed again
>>1058717
Pretty sure that's how Hitler got to where he was by 1939.
>betting that nobody would mobilize against him while Ger was obviously expanding and readying for war
>>1058967
>British are taking potshots at your supply ships.
What if I take Malta before?
>>1058658
gg no re
>>1059014
That eliminates one source of raiders. You'll have more sortieing out of Gibraltar, Alexandria, and Cyprus.
What about changing the economy entirely. Scare piss off the Americans by making an actual alliance and economic pact with the Soviets? Would that work? My goal here would be to genocide the English. While I probably won't be able to do that, I could at least fuck them hard so they lose their empire quicker and are a lot more miserable.
Just hold eastern europe instead of pushing all my troops to some worthless Caucasus shit hole to lose all my men at. The USSR already accepted a limited war with finland for minimal territorial exchange and an armistice
>>1059048
Soviets and Nazis HATED each other, people were surprised they signed a non-agression pack
>>1059059
Yeah, Hitler did not like the Soviets I get that. However in this scenario WE are Hitler we can do things differently. I don't have to exterminate the Jews for example. I just want to make Germany as powerful as possible and fuck the UK and the US as hard as possible for revenge for WW1. So I can try to be nice and make deals with the Soviets. Because I can tell Stalin that while America and it's Allies hate me, after I'm gone they will be after you and the Comitern next. So it's in both of our interests to cooperate. I won't attack the Russians instead of wasting all those german lives fighting the Soviets, I'll just use them to fight against the British.
>>1059035
How exactly? Isn't that out of range for fighter aircraft?
>>1059075
>implying Stalin will ally with facist pigs
>>1059075
I swear some people never learn, hitler hated the french for defeating the kaiserriech and now some new fan boys haplessly move the goal posts to the next victor
>>1059109
Well Hitler beat the French so there is that. But I'm not a Hitler fanboy dickwad. I think Hitler was stupid and he caused Germany to lose. If Hitler wanted "Living Space" he should have taken it from France and tried to wipe out the Anglos instead of looking east and fighting the slavs and killing the jews. If he did not chase out jewish scientists like Einstein he might have been able to build a nuke.
>>1059085
I don't think Stalin really cares. Besides I'd be willing to "convert" to communism so long as Stalin helps me with resources and helps me fuck over the UK.
>>1059120
Well then enlighten me.
>>1059122
Alright well I don't have time for sources but here's a crash course. Facism was diametrically opposed to Communism. The Nazis loathed the Soviets. The feeling was mutual. See this political cartoon from the era
>>1059128
You aren't telling me WHY they hate each other. How is national socialism and communism different? I know the Nazis had wacky racial theories and shit, but what were their economic policies. I know that the Nazis hated the Russians and other Slavs for racial reasons. But guess what I don't, and Stalin is a smart man. If I don't give him cause he won't start a war with me. And since I'm basically dictator of Germany I have the power to make sure Germany tries to stay on good terms with Russia. The Russians are not a threat, they aren't nearly as dangerous as the Americans and British. Honestly the UK and US beat Germany in world war 1. Russia did not. Stalin also did not get into power by promising vengeance and making Germany great again. He got in through regular communist things and killing his political rivals. I'm not going to threaten Stalin's position, and I'll even be willing to give him control over some parts of eastern Europe if he supplies me with gas and other resources so I can fight the British. I'd make that clear to Stalin. I only have one goal fuck up the US and UK the same guys who don't like him. I'm willing to apologize, change, and even give some reparations in exchange for his friendship and help. After all those of us against democracy have to stick together.
>>1059137
The US was barely involved in ww1, at best they made it a little shorter. WW1 was germany vs France with british help
>>1058658
Attack Russia, go with everything toward Moscow and pray for that to work.
Playing from the German position of 1941 is basically a losing scenario all around. You're already bogged down in a two front war with nowhere to go. You'd have to be working with a fundamentally different Germany and Italy. If I had to make an effort say starting in 33'
>Have Italian and Romanian commanders all learn from German military schools and tutored by German officers so they can fail less spectacularly.
>Send the Italians and Romanians German weapons designs so that can suck less.
>Shift money from Kriegsmarine to Luftwaffe and Heer because you will never out do British sea power.
>Instead of producing Pnz III concurrently with Pnz IV, produce the latter only with the larger guns that were added after France.
>Instead of making completely new tanks over the course of the war, simply upgrade and improve on Pnz IV design.
>Full war economy from outset.
>Move forward as history did until the aftermath of France
>Instead of shifting to terror bombings never stop pounding the RAF
>Kill the fucking radar towers first
>Hopefully will not need to bail out Italians in Greece and N.Africa. If they need help in the latter make sure they finish it and take Suez
>Don't fuck over the Eastern Europeans who were all for supporting Germany until the Nazis acted like... Nazis.
That's a start.
>>1059147
Nope, America really did supply a lot of the weapons and materials the allies used. Without America Germany might have had a chance to win. Once America got in the war it was all over. This applies to both world wars. After all in the first world war right after the Russian Empire left the Americans came in with a fresh force. There is no way Germany could compete with that. It was all because of their trade relationship with the UK and german uboats sinking ships keeping the Brits afloat. Same thing that is happening now in world war 2. The only way Germany can survive is by not pissing off Russia. The UK has an unfair advantage by having a superpower the US sponsor it. Germany to close the gap should ally with another upcoming super power the USSR to help supply them against the Brits. Then if you don't have to worry about being invaded from the east you can sit and consolidate your annexed territory in western Europe and stare angrily across the Chanel and think of a way to improve your navy so you can sink some English warships and try to land troops on the British Isles.
>>1058930
He wasn't as experienced as Churchill from what I understand, though he was probably in better shape by 41.
>>1059137
If Hitler decided in 1941 to just say 'welp I actually don't have any problem with slavs' he'd completely lose support.
Now as far as differences, it goes deeper than economics. Economically, the Nazis were more capitalistic. They had a system pretty close to Italy's corporatism, where free enterprise is encouraged as long as it is deemed beneficial for the goals of the country. The Soviets were still trying to do the whole planned economy thing.
Other than that, they also had very different goals. While Stalin was nationalistic, communism is inherently internationalist and Stalin had internationalist plans of world-wide communism. Germany was more focused on Europe, and only really got involved outside of Europe when Italy or Japan dragged them into it. Their base plan was lebensraum, or living space, for the German people. The idea was that everything east of Germany up to the Urals would be conquered by Germany as a sort of frontier for the German people to settle.
Ss much as Hitler hated the US, he loved the frontier culture of the Wild West and thought that the key to a hardy nation would be to have a German version in Russia. Of course this also entailed the ethnic cleansing of Poland and Western Russia.
>>1059179
You know the Nazis were not the only group in Germany at the time right? So yes you can moderate it, and say that it's not the slavs who are the problem it's the anglos who are the inferior race. As for economics I've heard that before, and I highly doubt Stalin will care how I order my economy as long as I don't disturb him or his puppet nations/protectorates. Also you are vastly overestimating Stalin's internationalism he was not Trotsky after all, if I am friendly to communists and support them. He won't care if I actually implement central control of the economy and have me and my government order everything or just let whatever happen. And yes Germany was promised living space, however why go fight Russia for it, when we can just take it from France when we already have the territory there under our control?
>>1058658
Give England and France a favorable peace like don't take anything from France no territory or indemnity leave Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Netherlands.Create puppets in eastern Europe including a relitivly large Poland minus the German settled territories and then invade USSR
>>1059240
Probably won't work. Hitler tried to make peace with the UK Churchill did not want anything less than unconditional surrender.
>>1059019
I love HOI 3 and that was beautiful.
>>1059252
What I'd Poland had all its territory minus Danzig and Greece amd Yugoslavia would also be evacuated of German troops.
>>1059200
>ou know the Nazis were not the only group in Germany at the time right? So yes you can moderate it, and say that it's not the slavs who are the problem it's the anglos who are the inferior race.
But that's just absurd, you'd be contradicting the entire basis of the Nazi platform. By 1941 the Nazis were the undisputed leaders of the nation. You're not going to get them out of power without a civil war, and that would be the end of Germany.
>As for economics I've heard that before, and I highly doubt Stalin will care how I order my economy as long as I don't disturb him or his puppet nations/protectorates.
Except, y'know, Stalin was readying for an invasion of Europe. One of the reasons why the initial stage of Barbarossa was so successful was because the Soviets weren't in defensive positions. And why do you think he set up communist puppets in the East after the war? Stalin believed in Communism in one nation, that means forming an economic bloc of communist nations led by the Soviets, with the goal of applying this to the world.
>Also you are vastly overestimating Stalin's internationalism he was not Trotsky after all, if I am friendly to communists and support them.
But that doesn't make sense at all. The Nazis and Soviets are the antithesis, their entire existence is to stop the other. Nazis saw the Soviets as thuggish red barbarians and the Soviets saw the Nazis as the last gasp of the bourgeiosie, aka capitalism in decline.
>And yes Germany was promised living space, however why go fight Russia for it, when we can just take it from France when we already have the territory there under our control?
There was a historical precedent of Germans moving East to colonize, starting with the German monastic orders like the Teutonics and Livonians. Poland, Czechoslovakia, and the Baltics all had huge populations of German settlers. I mean this isn't just the Nazi plan, this is an extension of what the German Empire was planning for in WW1.
Secure the Mediterranean for starters. Cut the Brits off from their colonial holdings and thus oil. Invade Malta and Cyprus, coerce the sympathetic Spanish nationalists to help you take Gibraltar, assist Italy with logistics and technology more so they stop getting rekt. Once your southern flank is now secure, attempt to (somehow) delay the Brits long enough for you to take the USSR.
ITT: Cancerous and childish armchair generaling
>>1058798
>sitzwar
Have fun being rolled over by the full might Red Behemoth in 1942 instead of crippled one in 1944-45. USSR from Lisbon to Vladivostok. All while on a depressed economy blockaded by RN (unironically blockade Britain, that's sweet).
>>1059395
>Stalin was readying for an invasion of Europe.
not at the time of barbarossa
>One of the reasons why the initial stage of Barbarossa was so successful was because the Soviets weren't in defensive positions
but they were - defensive in the sense of the soviet doctrine at the time, which was very much in line with the spirit of the counter-offensive
they were not, however, in actual invasion (as in offensive) deployments as evidenced by no artillery formation preparations and zero of the logistical work that lead up to both the winter war and the conflict in poland
>>1058680
>Once Britain is surrounded completely, we invade, destroy Britain
You're an idiot.
>>1059485
Admiral Reader's Mediterranean strategy?
>>1059253
Too bad HOI4 looks like a gamey casual clusterfuck :(
>>1059014
What do you think the Axis tried to do IRL? Protip: literally what you're describing
>>1059608
The problem is getting more useful troops to Africa. The only port big enough for ops on that scale along the North African coast is Alexandria. So you have the situation where you need more men and materiel to capture Egypt, but the only way to get them there is to cature Egypt. This ignores the fact that the RM was getting its shit well and truly slapped by Cunningham at the same time.
>>1058658
wouldnt do much of anything
the silly thing is that at that point the war was allready won
britain couldnt realy do shit outside of africa, soviets were practicaly allies and america wasnt even in the war, it could of just ended there and then
all hitler should have done was consolidate the axis into some sort of europaische union thing, and send a diplomatic mission to washington to sort things out and hint that germany might be a better friend than commie rusia in the longrun
the one thing he should not have done was invade fucking sssr and go to war with america, at the same time
but then, hitler was a insane megalomaniac and the whole nazi top were criminaly incompetent morons and psychos so it realy could not have gone any other way
it realy was a catastrophy in every way imaginable
>>1059632
As usual with Paradox games for every problem it fixes(the new technology and production systems are great) it fucks up another one(land combat...).
>>1058658
Yes. At that point you could still negotiate from a position of relative strenght.
>>1059137
>How is national socialism and communism different?
pic related
>what were their economic policies
For USSR it was central planning, for Germany it was hardcore Keynesianism turned into aggressive robber economy, by 1941 they were out of countries they could easily invade and steal from.
>I'll even be willing to give him control over some parts of eastern Europe if he supplies me with gas and other resources so I can fight the British.
He stopped supplying him because Germany traded on debt for several months.
>>1059163
> It was all because of their trade relationship with the UK and german uboats sinking ships keeping the Brits afloat
The tonnage sunk started to drop by 1941 and then skyrocketed in 1942. Guess who's ships were the next prey.
Stalin wanted Germany, Great Britain and France to bleed out during the war. He would gladly support Germans if the war would bog down into WW1 scenario but it didn't so he used their trade debt as an excuse to stop selling them resources(and by this - cripple them and enforce stalemate) whether it was effective or not it's debatable but it sure happened.
After they would bleed over that war, that German-Soviet alliance would disappear and war-thorn Germany would get raped by the Red Army after the military reforms(that is post 1943 Red Army).
And invading England was impossible from Germany's perspective.
>>1059753
>it fucks up another one(land combat...).
I don't think it looks too bad if I'm honest. It's not great, they should have refined the HQ system rather than just getting rid of it, but making a coherent plan without taking ages to do it is nice. And the counters don't stack ridiculously any more.
>>1058658
I open the console and type conquerall RUS
>>1059782
>After they would bleed over that war, that German-Soviet alliance would disappear and war-thorn Germany would get raped by the Red Army after the military reforms(that is post 1943 Red Army).
This. 1941 was really hitler's last chance. Few more years and red army would be like it was in 1944 - invincible. And Stalin WAS planning an attack.
>And invading England was impossible from Germany's perspective.
It was more than possible, but it wasn't a part of hitler's major strategy. He never wanted war with Brits in the first place. He saw europe as german's domain but was respecting GB colonial power status. He played easy with brits (see dunkerque, first stage of battle of britain, before churchill ordered to bomb berlin) because he was hoping that churchill will be kick out an GB will sign a peace treaty.
In fact if GB would do that and Germany would won the war, british empire would be still here, and murrica would be their little pet. Churchill is the one who made GB what it is today, and what it is, we all know.
>>1060220
Defeating brits = make murrica great (well not again but rather for the first time). Hitler knew that.
And btw that was exactly the outcome of wwII
>>1058658
Invade USSR because I'm not a pussy.
Use all my naval resources to build more U-Boats so I can continue to starve Britain.
Don't declare war on America even when the idiot japs bomb Pearl Harbor. It's their problem, and it's not like they helped us with USSR.
Try to capture Moscow as quickly as possible. When the Winter sets in, hold a defensive line to hold off any major Soviet counterattacks and then sue for peace.
Britain is now alone and I can just wait until the Brits surrender.
>>1059137
hitler wanted to turn the east into farm land run by slavic slaves n german people
>>1059168
Who would win in a fight: guy who is constantly drunk or guy who is constantly high as fuck on amphetamines and cocaine?
>>1058658
develop nukes, nuke moscow. Annex the east. Tell brits to submit or London would be next.
>>1058658
Tell Japan to slow down so they don't get desperate for resources and attack America
No telling Mexico to fight the US, no declaring war on them
If they go to war anyway don't fall for the bait and listen to my advisors for D-day
Don't try to ask for tanks bigger than the tiger
Dunno what to do about Russia, that will be inevitable. Maybe hold off on declaring on them as soon as possible?
Bomb factories, not regular citizens
Also, try to negotiate for peace because holding onto some land is way better than how we ended up
I only know how he screwed up, not how to win
>>1058658
It's probably too late to reverse the policy wrt to Poland, but I'd start by negotiating a "peace with honour" for the French, making a point of NOT going all Versailles on them and using this as an opportunity to make peace with Britain, or at least, to curry favor with the USA. On the Eastern front, I'd give my generals the authority to manouver as they saw fit, including permission to retreat, and I'd not bother trying to take Stalingrad and Leningrad, just beseige them and move on, Baku is the real prize.
>>1058755
It's interesting to note how quick his generals were to put all of the blame on him when the plan failed despite them all having been involved in its conception and approving it.
>>1058658
Let my military command be the military command and move myself to being the figurehead I need to be.
Do I win?
>>1060473
has your decision somehow bumped german gdp by about fifty percent minimum, streamlined production, improved logistics and/or had done the opposite of the above to your enemies? no? then you probably have not won
>>1058658
Thank you, OP. Thus thread shiwed me that however idiotic Hitler's decisions were at times, there were always people much more brainless.
Literally 2 propositions from 1 post out of 90+ had any sense whatsoever.
>>1060483
>my
I'm just a figurehead, I don't actually run the bloody gig.
>>1060483
Logistics
>>1058704
>start the invasion in the last few weeks of Winter/first few weeks of Spring so there's plenty of warm weather
Are you an idiot? This is the most retarded time, snow melt, level of water in rivers increases, most of fields near rivers literally became lakes.
>>1060220
>It was more than possible,
No it wasn't. Germany never possessed enough sealift to move more than about a division and a half at a time. Even in the worst days, from the British perspective, they possessed over 25 divisions in England itself.
http://www.britishmilitaryhistory.co.uk/webeasycms/hold/uploads/bmh_document_pdf/40.09_Order_of_Battle_UK.pdf
Even if the RAF and RN smile and wave while you mount an invasion, it would be damn tough to make headway on the beaches. With air inferiority and barely a naval presence relative to the Brits, you're not getting anywhere.
>In fact if GB would do that and Germany would won the war, british empire would be still here, and murrica would be their little pet.
Are you retarded? U.S. industrial production was more than double of the entire British empires. They were hugely powerful, and even if the Brits sign a peace treaty (ha!) and keep their empire (ha!) it wouldn't push the U.S. into irrelevance.
Does your IQ rise into the triple digits?
make peace for fucks sake
>>1059080
Single engined fighters, sure, but not twin-engined ones, nor bombers, and certainly not to submersibles or small attack (naval) craft.
So is there any way Germany can beat the UK? Note I am asking for everything possible not likely. Like for example if Germany was willing to become completely communist and sell out the Nazis in exchange for Soviet help would they be able to hold onto France and invade the UK?
>>1061073
Short of getting an American military alliance and having the U.S. carry out the task of building up the navy and airforce necessary to blockade and/or invade, I don't really see anything.
>>1061081
But the Soviets are an up and coming super power that can rival the Americans. I mean if the Germans don't have to worry about starving, or running out of resources they can keep control of France and keep the pressure on the UK indefinitely.
>>1058658
>You're Hitler
rude
>>1061091
>But the Soviets are an up and coming super power that can rival the Americans.
Mostly because of their ability to project a huge ammount of power into the heart of Europe. They were always considerably behind when it came to naval stuff.
>they can keep control of France and keep the pressure on the UK indefinitely.
Oh, for certain, but that's a long way from "beating the UK". They'd either have to build up enough of a fleet to invade and occupy Great Britain, or get the blockade to actually work, and neither are really that feasible.
>>1061134
True the navies of Germany and Russia aren't as good as the navy of the UK or the US. However if the Germans have control over all of western Europe and the Russians have control of the east, I'm pretty sure the resources of all of Europe from France, to Spain, to Germany, to Russia will be able to overwhelm the UK and burn Britain to the ground.
>>1061204
Extremely unlikely, especially as U.S. aid is almost certain to come to the British. Strategic bombardment campaigns are slow, uncertain, and hugely casualty prone. Germany had a CAS based airforce, not a strategic bombing drive, and even as things were historically, the British outbuild them in airplanes. If you double their air production, you still would barely have an air advantage, and certainly not large enough one to "burn Britain to the ground", and that's before the U.S. starts sending their own planes over..
Do we need to have this fuckin thread every single day?
>>1059161
That seems pretty reasonable.
>>1061219
Dude are you saying that if France, Germany, Spain, and Portugal united and tried to destroy England they would fail? I doubt that. If Germany has Russia backing them they won't lose world war 2. And America may not join in especially if Germany has nothing to do with Japan. Besides when you have the resources of an entire continent you can build up a larger navy and airforce than what the UK has.
>>1058658
>ally Turkey, then try quickly conquer Cyprus with them
>invade Syria and set up Arab state if they agree to supply oil
>secure this route and take my time to build up before next move
That would have helped rather than getting at the oil fields in Central Asia, and made Greece useful as a trade route but obviously the British and Russians are still a problem
>>1061275
Germany occupying France and most of southern Europe is not the same as them "uniting" against England.
To be honest, Soviet backing is pretty implausible in and of itself, and even if they did,
> And America may not join in especially if Germany has nothing to do with Japan.
I suggest you look up the timing of the Lend-Lease acts, the occupation if Iceland, and the ever expanding perimeter where the U.S. warships would 'guarantee trade' i.e. shoot at u-boats.
> Besides when you have the resources of an entire continent you can build up a larger navy and airforce than what the UK has.
Just because Germany expands their control doesn't mean that you get the same levels of productivity and industrial output in your conquered areas as you do in your base areas. While primary resource extraction, things like food and specific metals, comes relatively easy, actually increasing your secondary resources, finished products, out of a subjugated people is tough as hell. France's industrial output was roughly 1/10 its prewar levels under German occupation.
tl;dr REAL LIFE ISN'T LIKE RISK YOU IDIOT.
Invade North Africa making use of the Italian Navy and take Iraq. Then you can sit still.
>>1061329
Well fuck you dude. Ok what about this, instead of purging the slavs why not purge the France, Norway, and other places you have conqured in western Europe that way eventually you can colonize the empty land with Germans and in a decade or two have the resources and output to outproduce the English.
>>1061428
You want to eliminate the French population and replace that area with Germans, and expect the U.S. to stay neutral and not nuke you back into the stone age in the decades it would take this plan to work?
Not to mention your Soviet "Allies" would probably look askance at these policies given what Hitler's said very publicly about Slavs and Bolsheviks. If you're willing to do that with "honroable" Franks, what are you going to do to untermenschen like themselves?
>>1058658
>You're Hitler. What next?
Invent anime before the fucking japs do
Whats the ideal end game here?
Just keep the territories, secure them, and send diplomats.
No need to go against Britain, America or Russia.
Perhaps Britain would have agreed to a peace after some time because of the threat of the Soviets taking over a weakened Europe
I'm gonna throw my hat into the ring.
What I do is that I don't count on the Finns to help win at Stalingrad.
>>1060220
>It was more than possible
Let's forget basic things like sealift(lack of it) etc.
How are they going to defend their landings and supply lines to them?
Royal Navy before the war had:
>5 Queen Elizabeth class
>5 Royal Sovereign class
>Renown and Repulse
>HMS Hood
>2 Nelson class battleships
That's 1939 state.
Meanwhile they've built 5 King George V class battleships.
Meanwhile, Germany had Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, Deutschland class pocket battleships - 3 of them but see again - they're very lightly armed and almost unarmoured when compared to the actual capital ships RN had and also 2 pre-dreadnaughts - Schleisen and Schleswig-Holstein.
All of those are completely and utterly inferior to anything British had(they're faster, outside of those two training pre-dreadnaughts but for the conditions in hypothetical battle for English channel it doesn't mean much) but it's not the end.
Later on they've had two actual battleships - Bismarck and Tirpitz. While they were bigger than let's say KGV class, their armament was comparable to them(10x356mm on KGV and 8x380mm on Bismarck) but their armour was very "old school"(strong, but didn't follow newest trends like all or nothing). However the "fun" doesn't end here - Nelsol and Rodnol were both much, much better armed than those ships, sporting 9x406mm guns. Older battleships British had, weren't as fast or as well armoured as Bismarck and Tirpitz were, but they were armed mostly the same(even old-ass Royal Soverign class had 8x381mm main battery).
>>1061275
You are forgetting that at the time Hitler was on a ticking time bomb with Britain. Stalling for the long play would ruin him. Britain struggled so much because it was a big empire that took a long time in getting the cogs spinning in war time. Once the cogs started spinning then Britain was getting to work around the world and winning. That is why with Britain back then you had to do an absolute all or nothing Blitz Krieg and that doesn't work well with Islands.
>>1061825
I won't play dickwaggling between those battleships for too long because it doesn't matter when they're outnumbered like that.
Kriegsmarine had 7 ships that were somewhat like capital ships and only 2 of them could stand a fight in battle against enemy battleships, which British had 20.
Then we're getting to lighter vessels:
Britain - 14 heavy cruisers, 49 light cruisers, 196 destroyers.
Germany - 3 heavy cruisers, 6 light cruisers, 16 destroyers.
I won't count aircraft carriers because land-based aircraft will do in this case.
Germans didn't have air superiority neither they've had several thousand bombers of various kinds to negate the advantage British had. At NO single point of war British couldn't send numerically superior fleet against invading forces because of RN being too spread-out.
The cargo ships, landing crafts and land forces on beaches would be turned into ashes by heavy naval artillery while Germans wouldn't be able to do anything.
>>1061592
Too late mate
>>1061898
And before you'll start shitting muh submarines - during entire WW2 they've never achieved much during battles but forget it - depth of quite large part of english channel is below 60 metres deep. it's not practical area for operating submarines.
>>1061483
The US does not get nukes until 1945. They won't get involved in the war as long as their trade interests aren't threatened they did not care about Poles being genocided. Also the Soviets won't give a shit about the French. Especially if I change the rhetoric I say that the Slavs are great people and they aren't subhuman, then say that the true subhumans are the Anglos and then say that they are lower than blacks and if Germany beats them the surviving Brits will be forced to live just like blacks. Most of the world won't really care about the racial hierarchies as long as they aren't the ones getting shat on.
>>1061878
Yes Britain is an empire however you can subvert that, by starting wars and rebellions in the middle east supporting the Indians independence movement etc. The only reliable colonies the Brits will have is Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
Don't declare war on America
The RAF
Full press to Moscow, ignore Leningrad, ignore Stalingrad.
Once the Soviets are chased into Siberia, consolidate the Caucuses and do what the Red Army did to the Whites during the Russian Civil War (hunt down each individual army, while keeping the bulk of the Soviet machine trapped in Siberia where they'll eventually run out of resources).
>>1062430
>The RAF
Keep pounding the RAF*
>>1058784
It was seriously dying out from 1940 onwards, with the reported atrocities and the bombing of London.
>>1059723
>british would definitely come back for another round
>soviets fucking HATED the nazis, like seriously.
>hitler didn't choose to war with America, it was those insane chinks that gave the USA the excuse to declare war on nazi germany.
>>1062430
>keep a city that has over a million Soviet soldiers sitting in in it untouched behind your lines
good job.
>>1058658
Halt all expansion.
Quit meth.
Fortify borders.
Work on establishing and fixing infrastructure.
Give all people within my borders citizenship.
Give up expensive, overly bureaucratic, and pointless genocide.
Fund education.
Hitler was doing what everyone else before him did. He just needed to learn to fucking stop. Every great empire in history knew when to stop. Hitler did not.
>>1058704
Roosevelt spent the whole time of WWII before the US got involved thinking "I wish a nigga would."
Japan was allied with Germany. They attacked. It doesn't matter if Germany did or did not declare war. The US sure did.
>>1058768
>Alright men, we're going to parachute you hundreds of miles behind enemy lines right into the enemy capitol. Once there you must search the streets for Stalin while avoiding the hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers, police, and guards that WILL kill you whether or not you succeed.
>Any volunteers?
>>1062527
NEVER FORGET THE 6 GORRILION, GOY
>Invite Stalin and Molotov to a conference to renew the non-aggression pact
>Kill them
>attack the USSR immediately
>b-b-but germany couldnt sustain itself without attacking
kindly end yourself if you think this way. literally all of europe's assets and infrastructure was at their disposal. if you just wait for the red army to commit suicide on the fortifications in poland, germany can win with literally zero effort. after russia falls, britain would give their unconditional surrender due to an impenetrable trade blockade surrounding their waters
by then only the U.S. would be left, and since germany under non-retarded leadership didnt declare war on them a new status quo would arise. neither side can really wage war across an ocean so that's pretty much the end of the war
>>1062823
>I am LITERALLY retarded.
1) Economies are much more complex than you're giving them credit for. IT's actually hard to extract meaningful resources from countries you occupy and whose population hates you being there.
2) What makes you think the Soviets will "Commit suicide on the fortifications in Poland"
3) You are quite simply wrong about the blockade. It was never even close to knocking out Britian, and was quite penetrable.
http://jmss.org/jmss/index.php/jmss/article/view/236/251
4) The U.S. has been spoiling for a fight since the fall of France, or at least FDR is. And the populace is slowly swinging around. Especially if you put Britain on the ropes, they're likely to come in.
I recommend getting an operation where you have neural transfusions from people who can think more clearly than yourself
You have to push the Soviets beyond the Urals.
At whatever cost it takes, it's literally the only way you can win the war.
You can wait the Brits out a couple more years, but the Soviets are too dangerous, as has been pointed out ITT.
>>1058658
Invade Britain and Iceland with everything I have and give them to Stalin in exchange for Ukraine and Moldavian SSR. Then invade Africa if its necessary and make movies about how bad democracy is.
>>1063033
I'd be willing to bend over backwards to accommodate Stalin, he is not more dangerous than Churchill and Roosevelt.
>>1062555
>What is the rescue of Mussolini
Also it's not like Hitler was in short supply of fanatical soldiers.
>>1058658
Well to be fair, I have a basic understanding of a a-bomb. Either take a uranium core and encase it in explosives or take a uranium bullet and shoot it into another uranium core.
And then tell the scientists to figure it out based on that.
Nuke London and Moscow. Problem solved.
Though. If I was really Hitler I wouldn't be privy to this knowledge so I don't know your question.
>>1063195
>I'd be willing to bend over backwards to accommodate Stalin
As you demonstrated numerous times itt you filthy commie.
I would renounce the invasion of Russia.
>>1063435
And you are someone who is willing to suck English dick.
>>1058658
Instead of wasting 6 million lives for a death camp and waste resources, I'm going to make all Jewish men enlist in the army and the women work in factories. I'll also invade Turkey before I go balls deep into Russia.
Give all my POW and concentration camp prisoners to the UK
Sure they get possible soldiers to fight for them but its millions of mouths to feed
Make a big show of what a humanitarian I am to the USA to try and get on their good side
Drop alliance with Japan to try and please Stalin before they attack the USA try and convince him China and India are top places to spread Communism
Set up puppet states in all occupied territories
Maybe try and fix economy, got no idea how to do this, might ask imprisoned Jews
Also fuck waifu and start a new Hitler dynasty and become Kaiser
>>1058658
Don't move on Russia until they start first.
Use planes to keep British air force away from the coast.
Use bombers to protect blockade submarines.
Sack Goering for suggesting bombing England. Sack Himmler for his fuck up of sending untrained men in to Poland.
Sack Doenitz for demanding daily reports from sub captains.
Don't move on the Suez canal until England is staved in to submission.
After Russia's submission attack U.S through Canada.
Burn Washington & the white house to the ground so they get the point.
>>1063890
>Don't move on the Suez canal until England is staved in to submission.
If you're doing almost nothing differently in the Battle of the Atlantic or the air war, why would this happen?
1. Be sure all enemies can read since 40s the ENIGMA-Code - so use an alternative code.
2. Build more U-boats
3. Inform the Germans about total war much more earlier
4. Don´t kill the Jews, Gipsies, gays nills - use them to invade Palestine and the Middle East in front of a SS division and get rid of em.
5. After the fall of France: get their navy and get them as allies. (if not: see 9th)
6. Start Barbarossa 3 month earlier n let the Italians fight the balkan-states and Africa alone and fix the problem maybe 1 year later incl. Italy.
7. Get Japan to invade Sibiria - otherwise declare war.
8. Force to use the Jets and rockets tec maybe 1 or 2 years earlier (both: fighters and bombers)
9. Use chemical and biological (maybe atomic) weapons against UK and/or USA in a massive strike
10. Kill the Pope and be the next Pope to annihilate the org n stop religion.
11. Always say you come in peace
12. Send the complete beer production of the Reich to the US and invade with the Octoberfest 1941 people and music
Promise the Japs everything they want so they open a second front in Siberia.
Create a Ukrainan state with their own army.
Tell the Italians to bring some heavy weapons.
Don't wait until 44 for the switch to war economy.
Instead of the V2 fund the Wasserfall AA rocket.
>>1058699
>Tell the allies they have one week to have a white peace before mass executions of French citizens begins
Basically just another reason for the British to keep fighting.
>>1063961
>hi I am 12
>>1062823
>literally all of europe's assets and infrastructure was at their disposal
yeah yeah, and they were running out of metals, food and other materials when Russians stopped selling them shit on debt
> if you just wait for the red army to commit suicide on the fortifications in poland
Yeah, because fortifications worked so well for French, right?
>britain would give their unconditional surrender due to an impenetrable trade blockade surrounding their waters
What trade blockade? Nigga it was the other way round.
>le idiot teens discuss their shit tier tactics and strategies with no idea about how world politics and economics work
This thread is /pol/ and /b/ tier
>>1058658
Not sure
I either let the Soviets join the axis or invade them
and I tell the japs to leave 'merica alone
>>1060220
>And Stalin WAS planning an attack.
There is no reason to beleive this. The whole story that teh Red Army was in an offensive formation in 41 is bullshit. The size of the army at the border of Russia was minimal, and that idea that they were ready for attacking was due to faulty intelligence by the Germans. Stalin literally could not beleive an attack was happening, because the idea seemed outlandish to him, as well as that he couldn't beleive he was betrayed like that.
There is no reason to beleive Stalin would have attacked Germany in 41 or even later. Stalin was the calculative manipulator, that liked to play the long game and purge his people every few years. He wasn't the yolo type that Hitler was. And lets face it, a 1v1 of Nazi Germany with Soviet Union on teh defensive, would have been a very bloody war for the Soviets.
>>1064482
>Promise the Japs everything they want so they open a second front in Siberia
Unless the Japs shifted their enture strategy from dominating China, and the Paciffic. It aint gonna happen. At best they would send an expeditionary force that would be wiped out by superior Russian armor, just like in Khalkin Gol. And why would the Japs go to war with Soviet Union at the time, over Siberia?
Even with the defeat of the USSR, USA alone could had won Germany.
Prove me wrong but, they had better equipment, more numbers and they were fresh.
Not even ameriboo, just being honest.
>>1063865
They get about 1.8 million French soldiers. You sure that's a good idea?
>>1064706
You're generally correct, but this part
>The size of the army at the border of Russia was minimal,
Is wrong. You had close to 3 million troops within 50 miles of the Polish/German Polish border. That's hardly "minimal", and it's one of the reasons why the surprise attack was so devastating: With limited operational mobility, a few breakthroughs meant that entire army groups (Or fronts as the Soviets called them) got pocketed and wiped out.
>>1058658
No, there was no way, besides all the counter-attacks there was a huge partisan movement across the Reich. Nazi Germany would fall anyways, it was just a matter of time. The USA wasn't fully involved in the war, if was Germany would suck immediately. Hitler was a fucking loser.
>>1064706
Stalin's plan was to wait it out until the British and the French fought it out with Germany in the West, just like they did it in WW1, wearing both sides out and then invade them from the East.
Of course it all went to shit, once Germans steamrolled them in 6 weeks. After that, Stalin tried to appease Hitler as best as he could with grain shipments, oil, etc. , because he knew that Red Army was weak because of the purges (like Winter War proved) and were in need of some reforms.
>>1058658
>Further Strengthen allied regimes in Norway, Romania, Bulgaria and France
>Tell Italy to stop fucking around in North Africa and help in an allied assault on Britain
>Tell Franco to stop being a little neutral bitch and invade Britain also.
>Encourage nationalist movements in British and Free France allied colonies; Indians overthrow weaken British troops backed with German arms
>Burmese and Nepalese too busy with Japan to really retaliate.
>Encourage puppet regime in Britain; Get Edward back on the throne and get Mosley as PM
>>1059753
the land combat looks good to me, they just havent shown it off very well in the streams
>>1059395
they weren't in defensive positions because they were still transferring from the Stalin line to the Molotov line
