Discuss everyday transcendence of slave morality
I used to masturbate as little as possible because I thought it was a bad habit, immoral even. Now I do it about a dozen times a day.
I used to think that i should get a job in order to "serve society". But now i kek a little at the idea. I just want a job in order to get money, i really wanna work as little as possible for someone else...
>>725089
Haha. Too true. I remember Nietzsche said something like if you work more than a couple of hours a day, you're a slave.
>>725073
>implying addiction to pornography is aristocratic
A true übermensch lives unchained to any external factor, be it drugs, money, or masturbation. Spending all day on an anime messageboard and only living for your next nut is a lifestyle that Nietzsche would've spat upon. To take control of your fate, you must first take control of yourself.
>>725207
Wasn't Nietzsche pretty much a shut in writer whose most robust activity was evening walks?
>>725240
Yeah, but he still didn't fap or do drugs or any of that. Besides, I don't think he considered himself an übermensch anyways.
>>725089
How can you expect to achieve anything without a job?
I used to empathize a bit with people, specially victims. Now I get extremely angry at them and try my best to keep them miserable and victims.
>>725250
Wagner said he masturbated extensively.
He didn't drink alcohol for the same reason he didn't drink coffee: it disagreed with his frail constitution.
>>725260
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_of_Wagner
>>725257
Edgy
Nietzsche didn't advocate being actively hostile towards victims. He just saw pity as contagious suffering, and so he recommended simply being apathetic towards them and moving on with your own life.
>>725269
Right, Nietzsche was resentful of Wagner for making fun of him. But you'll noticed he waited until after Wagner was dead to attack Wagner.
>>725277
What if it's your friend who is suffering?
>>725277
Also, how did he feel about contagious joy?
>>725257
Nietzsche's attack on empathy isn't a call for retarded autistic faggot morons to tell their mom to shut up because they don't care how her day at work went.
>>725282
Well then don't sit there and cry about it. Go help them if you want to. But you don't have to feel bad for every poor soul on the planet, especially the ones we can't really help.
>>725282
Empathy is fine for them. Nietzsche is more against the types of empathy about 3rd-world suffering, "muh homeless", and other fakey, inherently narcissistic types of empathy than actual, real empathy.
>>725284
He loves joy. When Zarathustra comes across a singing, dancing man in the forest, he's delighted and doesn't want to end his joy.
>>725297
Can we feel bad for friends, though? Is mourning permissible, for instance?
>>725284
Well, that's joy. Who doesn't need a little joy in their lives?
>>725301
Isn't contagious joy just as fake though?
>Today as always, men fall into two groups: slaves and free men. Whoever does not have two-thirds of his day for himself, is a slave, whatever he may be: a statesman, a businessman, an official, or a scholar.
>>725277
>He just saw pity as contagious suffering, and so he recommended simply being apathetic towards them and moving on with your own life.
Not the case. It depends who you're feeling empathy for and why. Pity is always a negative form of empathy.
Having empathy for something diseased and dying? Stupid. Having empathy with Oedipus? Good.
Edgy fedoralords love Nietzsche, and I hate them for it.
>>725306
Napoleon confirmed for slave
>>725312
So, before we feel empathy, we must rationally justify it?
>>725302
It's not like he's telling you to do anything. It's best for you to live your own life and make your own values. But I don't think he'd see a point in mourning for events you can't change. I bet he wouldn't want people mourning him, either. It's just unproductive.
>>725321
So it is best to only feel emotions which increase our productivity?
>>725305
>Isn't contagious joy just as fake though?
No..?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUgQPzq6ifc
Watch that video. That's the sort of empathy Nietzsche is against. That lying, false bullshit that tries to cover up reality.
If you live in the western world, then your lifestyle is possible because it's paved on the suffering of people in 3rd-world countries. You just have to accept that. The fake sympathy, donations, charity, all just covers up the ugly truth. N just wants you to recognize that in truth, human society is ugly, vicious, it's not nice. And once you displace all the retarded IDEALS of sympathy, can you actually understand what sympathy is and why it's necessary.
It's about getting you to dispel the retarded, Christian conception of sympathy and relearn it.
>>725324
Yeah, basically. I don't follow Nietzsche's philosophy myself, but I can see his reasoning.
>>725319
>So, before we feel empathy, we must rationally justify it?
No. You're going to experience empathy no matter what. Nietzsche just wants you to investigate the reasons for it, and discover when it's better and worse. It doesn't have to be done "rationally".
>>725336
So are people in the Peace Corps, etc., basically just phonies?
>>725339
False. Wrong. Absolute bullshit. Nietzsche LOVES aesthetic wastefulness, destruction and chaos.
>>725339
Interesting. Does this mean work productivity, or....?
>>725340
Well, you have to qualify "better" and "worse". I meant, do you use reason to qualify those?
>>725346
So Heath Ledger?
>>725345
>So are people in the Peace Corps, etc., basically just phonies?
That depends. You can't get a clear answer here because there is no clear answer. Nietzsche may or may not have been for the Peace Corps., but he would certainly want everyone in the Peace Corps. to have really investigated themselves, tested their reasons, and really tried to discover what their own motivations are.
Nietzsche is more for you building, discovering, investigating morals than laying railroad tracks for you to follow. He just doesn't want you appealing to preconceived biases, and erroneous justifications for your behaviors. That's why he attacks empathy, so much of what we believe about empathy is built on poor foundations. YOU have to find the right foundations, you can't be taught it. That's the critical difference between views.
>>725350
>Well, you have to qualify "better" and "worse".
That comes from you. Doesn't have to be qualified in any way.
>>725353
Uh, maybe? I don't know Batman too well. But N doesn't value destruction for destruction's own sake, but destruction isn't a bad thing. He attacks empathy so you can rebuild it, not just so you can dance on it.
All of this will be clear when you read Thus Spake Zarathustra and figure out what he's trying to do with it.
>>725357
Er, he wants us to build a foundation in a vacuum?
The hard thing is to not let your disdain for the slaves become a form of ressentiment itself: having your entire mental energy based on hating other people.
Remember that Nietzche was 'for' things, being pro-active and embracing and the ideas and people he was disguest with were lowly because they always stood 'against' things defined by being negative.
It is not so much that you are 'against slave morality' but 'for greatness'
>>725364
>That comes from you
Okay, empathy has values. What I'm asking is, what is the metavalues Nietzsche wants us to hold empathy to?
>>725372
>he was disguest with were lowly because they always stood 'against' things
He literally wrote a work called "The Antichrist".
>>725371
>Er, he wants us to build a foundation in a vacuum?
Not at all. Humans without social biases aren't nothings. But clearly a shitload of our language, beliefs, and the entire structures through which we view the world have a genealogy, a history (this is one of Nietzsche's most famous stances) and when you investigate the reasons for which we believe things, they are really poor reasons.
Thus Spake Zarathustra is, in large, a book that attempts to say, "did the Bible have to end up how it did?" He's saying, no, much of the western tradition is centered around the bible, but it's totally possible to imagine society taking a different course on a different holy book. IOW, the reasons we give for many things are just contingent, and so you have to explore that and think about it. But just continuing on the path we already are will lead to catastrophe. He literally says, Germans better check themselves, because our militarism and antisemitism will lead to horrible wars and Germany will be defeated. Germany didn't check themselves.
Seriously, Nietzsche literally predicted western society's descent into Nazism, and recognized that our devotions to unchecked, unexamined beliefs would cause that. And he was right. He was so right it hurts.
>>725397
Didn't all the things Nietzsche complained about mostly take root with the the reaction against Christianity in the West? As far as I understand it, the serfs were not ruling society in the Middle Ages.
>>725378
>What I'm asking is, what is the metavalues Nietzsche wants us to hold empathy to?
There are ultimately no metavalues. In the Louis CK video where he says, some people are just ugly, and that's an unconscious thing, that's where Nietzsche believes our metavalues come from. It's a form of sentimentalism.
Nietzsche says something like, "Thoughts are the shadows of our emotions". Which is to say, we are primarily feeling, unconscious creatures, and the reason comes in later to justify ourselves. We can try to understand ourselves through reason, but ultimately what we DESIRE to do will have some uncontrollable basis.
>>725404
So which is the paramount sentiment which empathy should be beholden to? since Nietzsche clearly doesn't think empathy itself is the paramount sentiment.
>>725403
>Didn't all the things Nietzsche complained about mostly take root with the the reaction against Christianity in the West? As far as I understand it, the serfs were not ruling society in the Middle Ages.
No, Nietzsche's basically entirely anti-Christian. But the development of why is interesting. Nietzsche has more against Paul the Apostle and Martin Luther than against Jesus Christ himself.
But N thinks the Christian metaphysic is an entirely bad one, and much of what he criticizes (scientism, lack of faith, anti-mythologizing) are actually the products of Christendom.
It's not so simple to N that social equality is good or bad. Of course, socialism and the French Revolution were bad, but that doesn't make all social hierarchies good. It's hard to work out exactly what his ideal society would look like, except that it would look alot more like Greek society (where people were more honest, competitive and truly aristocratic)
N would probably look at contemporary America and despise it. We have one of the worst forms of hierarchy in America.
>>725417
Again, that's for the individual to decide.
It's just.. wrong.. to come at Nietzsche looking for simple "he likes this he doesn't like that". N almost never criticizes single, individual emotions or ideas. Empathy can't really be criticized because it's just a human thing. People just DO it. You can't say it's good or bad. What's good or bad is more the social structures, beliefs and attitudes surrounding and shaping our experiences of empathy, and that we believe they are not contingencies.
The ultimate things N believes are: our society is extremely afflicted by Christendom, that any moral system which leads you to disengage from life is bad, and that we need to destroy and look forward to build new reasons, myths and structures to make our society healthy.
>>725138
What if you enjoy your work?
>>725455
Then chances are you're slave deluding himself to cope
>>725460
There's a difference between working for someone else and working for yourself though.
Nietzche "worked" on writing. Alexander the great "worked" at war.
>>725480
So being a shopkeeper is okay?
>>725483
It depends how much is you doing something because you genuinally want to vs being an extension of someone's will.
To borrow from Max Stirner who si very close to Nietzsche. He ran a milk-shop because he wanted to, not because he was instructed to.
>>725489
How was Max Stirner close to Nietzsche? He didn't have any problem with resentment.
>>725458
>What did Paul add that Jesus Christ didn't talk about?
Ah, that's just the trick of things. Look at who he was and his "transformation".
>Doesn't Christianity consider human life inherently valuable?
Maybe nominally, but no, Christianity absolutely despises the human and tries to get them to deny the world. Literally, "not of this world".
>>725502
>How was Max Stirner close to Nietzsche? He didn't have any problem with resentment.
How did you get that reading?
>>725561
How did you get any reading that he did? Stirner just says to indulge in what makes you feel good, which resentment certainly can.
>>725560
Christ says the meek shall inherit the earth, not the "the meek shall transcend the earth".
The confusion arises from thinking "world" means "that which is material", when in fact tid doesn't. "Earth" means the material, "heaven" means the spiritual.
>gḗ – properly, the physical earth; (figuratively) the "arena" we live in which operates in space and time which God uses to prepare us for eternity.
The word for "world" is
>kósmos (literally, "something ordered")
Satan is the ruler of the post-fall order, not the ruler of the material. There is also a spiritual post-fall order, that is the one of Satan and his demons, they're not material beings after all.
>>725575
>which resentment certainly can.
Resentment never feels good for me, so I disagree.
>>725583
>Christ says the meek shall inherit the earth, not the "the meek shall transcend the earth".
I don't think Nietzsche would even address this, as it's a preposterous statement that nobody serious could believe.
Now that the dust has settled, can we agree "hipster" was the ressentiment meme par excellence of the century so far?
I am no longer ashamed to like high quality nutritious meals, use healthy transportation like cycling, enjoy both the classics and the best of pop culture (counter-culture), to dress in classic or counterculture styles, learned in the most prestigious (and apparently least utilitarian) fields, and all in all to be cosmopolitan, leisurely, and informed in the many things I do. I'm also nihilistic with a wicked sense of humour.
>>728235
>I'm also nihilistic with a wicked sense of humour
B8 confirmed
>>725381
That's not a completely accepted translation of the title. Some say it means 'antichristian' re-evaluation. Dionysus over the Crucified.
>>728247
would have been a bit boring otherwise.
>>725073
>Now I do it about a dozen times a day.
Now you're just a slave to your body
>>725207
Consumers are the ubermensch.
>>728308
Nietzhe was not Diogenes.
>>728308
But your body IS you, Nietzsche doesn't believe in some spooky soul which is separate from the body.
'slave to your body' might as well mean 'slave to yourself'
OP's example might be retarded but your answer sucks.
>>725312
>Having empathy for something diseased and dying? Stupid. Having empathy with Oedipus? Good.
And the best irony is that the thing which supposedly drove him insane was watching a man whip his exhausted horse
>>729245
It's a cute story but there's no basis for it happening, like the syphilis thing, it's the type of thing where rumors of it start appearing decades after his death with no real primary source.
And in the first part of your statement you fail to realize Nietzche makes a distinction between pity and empathy. Nietzsche placed a huge priority on understanding how other people are feeling, it's a necessity in perspective epistemology because how other people feel is part of their perspective and thus their reality. Pity on the other hand is type of infectious disease which preserves things ripe for destruction.
>>725073
I invaded Poland and France, then attempted to rid the world of European Jewry
>>725336
>If you live in the western world, then your lifestyle is possible because it's paved on the suffering of people in 3rd-world countries.
I wish this meme would die. Post colonialism Africa and South America are doing much, much, much better than if they had never been colonized.
>>729187
Not him, but a better way to phrase it would be "a slave to your bodily processes." Eating and drinking are all well and good, especially since you can't live without them. But letting yourself be regularly taken over by gluttony, lust, or any other primal instinct is dumb shit.
Now I know that gluttony and lust are two of the so-called Seven Deadly Sins, and I'm not a Catholic by any means. But even from an atheistic perspective, they're bad in that, like other desires, they can take control of you if you don't discipline yourself and take control of them first. In short, control your body. Don't let it control you.
>>728273
>"Der Antichrist"
>"The Antichrist" is not the right translation
>>729834
>In short, control your body. Don't let it control you.
This statement is bound in the concept that 'you' are not your body. Ok, if I am not my brain, not my body, and not the sum total of all it's functions what am I?
>But letting yourself be regularly taken over by gluttony, lust, or any other primal instinct is dumb shit.
Passions are the energy of life. Your type of denial of will is exactly the thing Nietzche is against. Rather than resisting a central part of the human experience one should be intoxicate with primal emotions, all great strides are the result of passion, because intoxication with passion is what pushes you beyond the normal limits.
> Seven Deadly Sins,
A sin is an inherit and necessary part of life that slave's reject. If you look at the 7 deadly sins all of them are what you should pursue if you want to have a lasting impact. Alexander the great was a wrathful warrior, with so much pride he called himself a god, lusted after foreign women and had orgies, greedily conquered his enemies, and celebrated victory with gluttonous feasts. If he acted out the Christian way Greece might have ended up being Persian territory.
>>729868
>Passions are the energy of life. Your type of denial of will is exactly the thing Nietzche is against.
Do you really think Nietzsche would've advocated becoming a slave to your passions? Obviously, emotions are what makes life worth living, but you should be in control of them as much as possible. Anger is a perfectly healthy emotion. Being blinded by your anger isn't.
>>729868
You have your rationality and you have your bodily desires.
If bodily desires beat rationality, you are no better than a chimpanzee.
>>729895
What exactly are "you" completely abstracted from both your material body and sentiments?
>>729918
So passion is only okay when it is rationally justified?
>>729868
>Passions are the energy of life. Your type of denial of will
The temptations of the heart is not will.
>>729895
>Do you really think Nietzsche would've advocated becoming a slave to your passions
Again why is that "you" and "your passions" are seperate. Do you exist outside of your sensations? Isn't everything you have ever experienced been through the perspective of your body and brain?
The Nietzsche concept of 'self' is that an individual is literally a combination of various passions and urges or "Wills" that are struggling for dominance. It's an extension of Schopenhauer's concept. You literally are passions, the only question is which ones will be the dominate ones?
Now Shoupenhaurer thought people should run from the Will, to detach one's self from all it's drives that is why his divine figures were the Hindus and the Buddah who master detachment.
Nietzsche see's this as a rejection of life, that is why his divine is Dionysus: Dionysus was the God of wine who would make people mad with passion. For him spiritual fulfillment is found not in Asceticism but in the full embrace of passions. Asceticism he viewed as a death drive.
>>729868
>trying this hard to justify jacking off 5 times a day
Stop trying to glamorize marathon fap sessions. You're not a fucking god-general cause you drool a bit when you're really into the porn you're watching. Christ being the master of yourself doesn't mean following every fucking impulse you have to its extreme. That's weak shit
>>729954
You are not your passions. you're the ground consciousness that presupposes those passions
>2016
>thinking you have an intrinsic self
>>725073
>Implying your now not a slave to your own biological impulses
Stay untermensch, friend.
>>729958
I am not the person talking about masterbation. If you want to come up with a counter point why don't you actually address the issues?
Nietzche asserts that a person is composed of a variety of competing urges, impulses, and passions. The "real you" isn't hidden in them but formed by them. In other word's "You" is a psychological being.
So there is no action or position you can take that is not some sort of impulse, instinct or passion. This is the nature of us as psychological beings. More recent science has shown that the subconscious parts of our brain are ALWAYS working, you can't turn them off just because you said a prayer or two.
>>729981
So what happens when you meditate and silence your mind? Am I dead? No.
>>729986
The only way to truely silence your entire mind is yes, to die.
As I've said the self according to Nietzsche is a collection of impulse, passions, and drives. And they are arranged in a heir achy with some being above the others. When you supress some part of yourself all you are doing is changing the heirachy. "You" are still "you" not matter how much you change things around. Today we can even forcefully change the hierarchy of impulses with a lobotomy.
What Nietzsche is saying is that you shouldn't see your passions as an enemy, you need to weaponize them. If you have a burning urge you can use that to push yourself and this requires embracing passion. He views the killing of passions as a type of self-mutilation for people that want to run from their problems.
>>725240
Has zero to do with his actual thought. If anything it shows his dedication. Nietzsche was a bit of an asocial weakling with unrequited love. He didn't fall prey to resentment however. He could have become a christian egalitarian as that would have suited his position in life more but he rejected it entirely.
>>729964
>drawing a distinction between biological and metaphysical
Stay slave
>>730032
>He didn't fall prey to resentment however.
He said he hated Christianity over and over, I'd call that resentful
>>730048
Resentment is not hatred.
I never read Nietzsche. Judging by this thread, is his philosophy the opposite of Stoicism and Socrates ethics?
Does anyone really thinks this is a good idea?
>>730054
Nietzsche blames them over and over and over as well.
>>730094
Yeah he attributes problems to Christianity. Again, that isn't resentment. Elliott Rodger was resentful.
>>725583
>>725655
Nietzsche address this directly. This is one of his main examples of slave morality. He says that by the Bible telling Christians that "the meek will inherit the earth," Christians then need do nothing but follow an imposed moral code that glorifies weakness, frailty, thoughtlessness and poverty. If all people become Christians then the human race ceases to exist because it becomes too meek to sustain itself. The ultimate irony of this is that by Nietzsche's time, he believed there was more than enough evidence to disprove the divinity or existence of God, hence, "God is dead."
>>730067
He's highly critical of Stoicism and he says Socrates was a corrupter of the youth. He is the anti-Socrates as much as he is the anti-Christ.
Everyone knows about his book where he critisizes Christianity for causing all sorts of shit. But Twilight of the Idols gives the same treatment to Socrates (and to some exstent Plato).
>>730101
I think you're conflating resentment with envy.
>>730115
He's quite friendly with stoicism IIRC, he's more critical of epicureans
I dared to surpass the shitty hivemind discussion of /his/ and actually read and studied Nietzsche.
>>725345
No peace corps are good because they're actually out doing shit. It's the rich celebs who hold galas etc that are the problem think of that South Park episode.
>>730144
He doesn't believe
*humans are entirely rational
*that is desirable to suppress emotions and try to be entirely rational
>>725460
I want to create something that is why i am studying at a gymnasium, am i a slave for working towards what i want to do?
>>730202
If you are working on what YOU want than you are not a slave, you are allying with the Will of others to meet your end.
If you are doing what someone else wants you have become an extension of their Will.
>>729385
And to add to this europe would, maybe not on the same schedule but still would have become what it is now.
>>730176
Seems like the opposite of Buddhism. And seems like bad life advice. Was he a hedonist?
>>730207
He's deluding himself into thinking HE wants it, In fact, others do, he's just making himself feel in control
>>730227
No he wasn't a hedonist. You need to pay attention to the part about passions being in a heirachy. He isn't saying you let them buble up with no rhyme or reason.
>>730231
Perhaps, but if it is the best way for him to acquire some sort of power it's a useful interpretation. But given the world economy we need workers, it's better for them to work with a sense of dignity and purpose than for them to build up ressentment about how much their hate their life but can't escape it. Nietzsche makes it very clear his philosophy is not a universal answer for everyone.
>>730366
>But given the world economy we need workers
No quite the opposite, we need more jobs.
>>730412
A job just means that someone else's Will wants to get something done that cannot be done with mechanical labor. In order to do that he needs workers.
When someone says they "need a job" it just means they need more strong entrepreneurs to come up with a big plan.
>>730447
I can tell you've studied economics extensively.
>>729294
>Nietzsche placed a huge priority on understanding how other people are feeling
Why is this important, doesn't it hinder you to achieve your goals ? Also, it's all about the control of the will, besides ruling over others, when do you need them.
>>725073
Resorting to cliched namecalling has no effect on the contemporary NEET. We are economic auto-didacts, self-taught philosophers and gifted visionaries. While others waste their life labouring under the orders of those who see only material cost in life, we pursue leisure above all else, knowing as we do that leisure and time to oneself is the basis of genius. Despite many people disliking the culture and society they help maintain through their work, and despite understanding now that we have only a single life on earth and that any meaning we attribute to it as the result of self-willed or socially-inculcated ideologies, they continue to wake early and trudge to their jobs for one single reason: Guilt. Throughout time religions have taken advantage of Man's guilt, a guilt experienced for no logical reason except that he unlike other animals is a self-aware being whose abstract thoughts conflict with the apparently practical, rational reality he finds himself a part of. We post-guilt NEETs will not bow to internal or external pressures encouraging us to sacrifice our contentment and sensitive dispositions for the sake of attaining money, or womenfolk. We alone stand proudly, detached from but keenly observant of the slave masses who yell at us for not being as unhappy as they are. We alone, we band of true men, defend our right to live a dignified life against those wishing to deprive of us of it. Yes you can mock, you can criticize, you can echo the demands your masters make upon you. But who is likely to regret their lives more? The noble and dignified NEETs who spend their truly precious time reading, pondering, philosophizing and engaging in critical, urgent debate online? Or the miserable, resentful masses, their eyes bloated and sagged by excess folds of skin, their hair falling out and their gums bleeding from stress, their bowels destroyed by a sedentary lifestyle spent at their desks clicking endlessly while their boss breaths down their necks?
>>732889
That's all well and good but womenfolk can be NEET too, look at Schopenhauer's last word on women (and he was a famous misogynist). Basically you could have a NEET gf without guilt.
NEETdom should also be linked to retirement and inheritances, because the latter effectively have the same advantages. They are also more understandable to the wage slave, if you want him enlightened.
>>732902
women crave amusement, this is why women who manage to loss their providers choose to have cats.
So, Nietzsche was a chronic masturbator who wanted people to be slave to their physical desires?
>>725073
Congratulations! You are now a truly free man!
Just keep it up!
And remember - if you do it with gf then you are always limited by what she wants or not.
You can be truly free only alone.
So keep it up.
>>725404
>We can try to understand ourselves through reason, but ultimately what we DESIRE to do will have some uncontrollable basis.
That is such bullshit. Neuroscience can determine that will arises in the brain very well before the decision to act (and awareness) on it does. We see will as totally determined from mineral-electrochemical, meaning that seeing how these arise would mean we could understand it
philosophers still can't handle science smdh
>>725315
Not really. Having more than a third if the day "not to yourself" implies that if you weren't constrained by laws/obligations/financial factors etc then you wouldnt spend that third+ of your day working. Napoleon genuinely wanted to create a French empire, it's not like he hated doing Napoleon shit but did it anyway cause he had bills to pay.
>>728235
while I know you're trying to fetch a laugh from us with your last sentence, I can't help but feel you're right. I've been called an avant-teen on /mu/ or contrarian simply because I listen to very "out of there" genres (noise, ambient, sound collages, etc.). Someone thought I was being pretentious for calling the name out of french "impressionist" composers i like to listen to. I'm also self-conscious of what I eat so I also make sure to select healthy foods (which might end up being "exotic" at times) and I prefer to walk to school and save gas. I also enjoy literature and philosophy (which is really useless) and to top it off I'm a STEM student which puts me in complete disarray with everyone I engage in school resulting in being called a hipster
to this all i have to say: is it not possible to enjoy things without thinking one is trying to engage in dandyism or trying to appear elegant? does knowing obscure stuff by necessity imply you're making up for something? when did the culture of "having no culture" start?
>>733191
I think this would be much more easier to understand if people read Stirner's "Art and Religion."
What you're trying to address here seems to be a lot more easy to understand in that short pamphlet of his. To put it in very short terms (and applying it to this discussion), physical desires is our will, rational desires (wanting to be in tune with "reason," "being a good christian," etc.) are instigated from the outside
basically, the latter is pure ideology
>>733419
Does he have any evidence of this?
That sounds arbitrary.
>>733584
the evidence of what?
>>733591
That physical desires are our will and rationality are instigated from the outside.
>>733604
what I meant is that physical desires is internal Will, rational desires are outer Will.
actually I'm just speaking mumbo jumbo ayy lmao
A lot of people in this thread obviously have read and understood Nietzsche
As someone who has read everything by him and is just coming over from /sci/, props to you /his/.
