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Why did Hadrian have to fuck up the good thing that Trajan had
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Why did Hadrian have to fuck up the good thing that Trajan had going? He should have fucking destroyed the sandpeople.jpg while he had a chance, instead of allowing them to become strong enough to become a threat again
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>>345728
I think Rome couldn't sustain economically other wars
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>>345728

It quite literally took half of Hadrian's army years just to put down Bar Kokhba and his relatively tiny army of Hebrews.

How's he going to take on everything else?
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>>345728
The expansion that Trajan made was unsustainable and Hadrian knew it. That's why he focused on defending the stuff they knew they could keep.
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>>345728
Trajan's war wars were stupid and unsustainable, Rome would never have been able on to further eastern provinces just like they couldn't hold onto Dacia. Trajan should have stuck to Augustus's advice. Don't expand the empire.
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>>345843

But Trajan didn't really try to hold the areas he took, he certainly didn't garrison them heavily.


Mostly, they were just raids for plunder on a colossal scale.
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>>345728
You don't seem to understand how difficult it is to defend an empire of that size with 25 legions and auxiliaries.
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>>345728
>they will soon be back, and in greater numbers.
Stop posting on the internet, Obi-Wan. You are dead and not even from this galaxy.
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>>345728
BUILD
WALL
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>>346155
FUG OFF HADRIAN AND/OR PIUS
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>>345728
Trajan's conquests were beyond rome's natural borders. Every time romans conquered beyond that, they got problems with the "sandpeople". Everytime they kept to their part of the middle east, there was peace.
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I can understand not wanting to hold that land but why just abandon it?

Wouldn't setting up a puppet/client Kingdom similar to Armenia be a gr8 idea?

Having a buffer state between you and the Persians sounds like a gr8 idea
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>>348776
More money needs to flow to that kingdom.
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>>348776
OP here. Seriously, just set up a client king and tell him to "March East"
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Such was the state of the Roman frontiers, and such the maxims of Imperial policy, from the death of Augustus to the accession of Trajan. That virtuous and active prince had received the education of a soldier, and possessed the talents of a general. (13) The peaceful system of his predecessors was interrupted by scenes of war and conquest; and the legions, after a long interval, beheld a military emperor at their head. The first exploits of Trajan were against the Dacians, the most warlike of men, who dwelt beyond the Danube, and who, during the reign of Domitian, had insulted with impunity the Majesty of Rome. (14) To the strength and fierceness of barbarians, they added a contempt for life, which was derived from a warm persuasion of the immortality and transmigration of the soul. (15) Decebalus, the Dacian king, approved himself a rival not unworthy of Trajan; nor did he despair of his own and the public fortune, till, by the confession of his enemies, he had exhausted every resource both of valour and policy. (16) This memorable war, with a very short suspension of hostilities, lasted five years; and as the emperor could exert, without control, the whole force of the state, it was terminated by an absolute submission of the barbarians. (17) The new province of Dacia, which formed a second exception to the precept of Augustus, was about 1300 miles in circumference. Its natural boundaries were the Dniester, the Teyss [Theiss modern form], or Tibiscus, the Lower Danube, and the Euxine Sea. The vestiges of a military road may still be traced from the banks of the Danube to the neighbourhood of Bender, a place famous in modern history, and the actual frontier of the Turkish and Russian empires. (18)
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Trajan was ambitious of fame; and as long as mankind shall continue to bestow more liberal applause on their destroyers than on their benefactors, the thirst of military glory will ever be the vice of the most exalted characters. The praises of Alexander, transmitted by a succession of poets and historians, had kindled a dangerous emulation in the mind of Trajan. Like him the Roman emperor undertook an expedition against the nations of the east, but he lamented with a sigh, that his advanced age scarcely left him any hopes of equalling the renown of the son of Philip. (19) Yet the success of Trajan, however transient, was rapid and specious. The degenerate Parthians, broken by intestine discord, fled before his arms. He descended the river Tigris in triumph, from the mountains of Armenia to the Persian gulf. He enjoyed the honour of being the first, as he was the last, of the Roman generals, who ever navigated that remote sea. His fleets ravaged the coasts of Arabia; and Trajan vainly flattered himself that he was approaching towards the confines of India. (20) Every day the astonished senate received the intelligence of new names and new nations, that acknowledged his sway. They were informed that the kings of Bosphorus, Colchos, Iberia, Albania, Osrhoene, and even the Parthian monarch himself, had accepted their diadems from the hands of the emperor; that the independent tribes of the Median and Carduchian hills had implored his protection; and that the rich countries of Armenia, Mesopotamia, and Assyria, were reduced into the state of provinces. (21) But the death of Trajan soon clouded the splendid prospect; and it was justly to be dreaded that so many distant nations would throw off the unaccustomed yoke, when they were no longer restrained by the powerful hand which had imposed it.
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It was an ancient tradition, that when the Capitol was founded by one of the Roman kings, the god Terminus (who presided over boundaries, and was represented according to the fashion of that age by a large stone) alone, among all the inferior deities, refused to yield his place to Jupiter himself. A favourable inference was drawn from his obstinacy, which was interpreted by the augurs as a sure presage that the boundaries of the Roman power would never recede. (22) During many ages, the prediction, as it is usual, contributed to its own accomplishment. But though Terminus had resisted the majesty of Jupiter, he submitted to the authority of the emperor Hadrian. (23) The resignation of all the eastern conquests of Trajan was the first measure of his reign. He restored to the Parthians the election of an independent sovereign, withdrew the Roman garrisons from the provinces of Armenia, Mesopotamia, and Assyria, and, in compliance with the precept of Augustus, once more established the Euphrates as the frontier of the empire. (24) Censure, which arraigns the public actions and the private motives of princes, has ascribed to envy, a conduct, which might be attributed to the prudence and moderation of Hadrian. The various character of that emperor, capable, by turns, of the meanest and the most generous sentiments, may afford some colour to the suspicion: It was, however, scarcely in his power to place the superiority of his predecessor in a more conspicuous light, than by thus confessing himself unequal to the task of defending the conquests of Trajan.
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>>346155
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>>350311
are you just copy pasting from wikipedia
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>>345728
Romaboo pls go
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>>350339
look where all the wars with rome got the sassanids...
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>>352293
Look where all the wars with the Persians got the Romans.
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>>350257
>>348776

If the Romans weren't equipped to deal with the Persians, what makes you think some dinky puppet state is going to be up to the task? Far more likely they would defect first chance they got since one threat was a lot nearer than the other.
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