Has India contributed anything valuable throughout history? Do they have anything to be proud of?
no poo comments pls
>>343206
Place the feces into the toilet bowl.
But yeah, they did. 0, the numbers as we know it, Damascus Steel, and making sugar powder.
Buddhism and epicureans
bhagvad gita is pretty dope too
>>343206
Ironically enough, they invented toilets.
>built the Taj Mahal, a tumb for one queen bigger than a stadium
>leave all the other dead corpses in the Gange river, in which they also drink and wash clothes.
FUCK LOGIC
>>343289
Who let you out of your cage?
Didn't india invent chess?
>>343287
That was before the aryan coming tho.
>>343305
So are you just ignorant of Indian burial practices, or do you not know what website you're on?
If it's the former, why are you posting? If it's the latter, why did you not listen to the whole "lurk moar" thing?
>>343468
I think it was more conflating the excesses of a muslim emperor with average hindu practices.
IIRC Indians are supposed to have invented the concept of zero.
>>343206
They invented toilets and spread them around the world
The Decimal system.
>inb4 Mesopotamians invented it independently too
well that doesn't exactly discredit the invention of decimal system in India.
>Panini (sanskrit grammarian) and his Ashtadhyayi are considered the origins of linguistics.
It influenced our understanding of modern grammar/language in the western world.
>Aryabhata and his astronomy/mathematical works like Aryabhatiya.
Influenced al-Khwarizmi directly and the west indirectly via him. Gave the west the "arabic" numberals (indian) and numerous other mathematical foundations.
>Ramanujan, a self taught mathematical genius
There are many mathematical proofs given by him that have been confirmed and many more uses of it will come years from now.
>Chess/SnakesNLadders
Fun games most people have played.
>>343206
[spoiler]Jesus was influenced by Buddhism.[/spoiler]
>>343206
Once my Xbox fried itself and an Indian guy helped me get it fixed.
>>343206
>Hinduism
>Buddhism
>mathematics
>>343289
To be fair, it took humanity a LONG time to figure out that shitting upstream was a bad idea. Supposedly that's why alcohol became so popular in the ancient world. If you drink shitty water then you die, but if you drink less water and more beer then you live.
off the top of my head
decimal place value system
various works on algebra and trigonometry
first explicit solution to second order polynomial
infinite series approximations of trig functions
some contributions to iron working, crucible steel
rocket artillery
One of the first radios
some other math not really familar with
bose einstein statistics
some research in chemistry and physics
I feel like China has always excelled at hardware and India at software
>>344010
>I feel like China has always excelled at hardware and India at software
Similar thought here. But my assumption was China produced more but India put more thought into their works.
India had always been obsessed with math/numbers and logic. from early on. Many of their religion/philosophy/temples/ancient relics reflect that.
>>343206
Memes aside, you should thank them for not having tu use letters instead of numbers.
They contributed to making the Brits rich who then contributed to the world with their wealth.
Indian cotton is what spurred the Industrial Revolution in England.
>>343206
Well, I don't know mIIX
>>343219
>>343511
>>343685
As a mathematician this always triggers me. The first known incident of someone writing down a symbol to represent zero is in India. Do they deserve credit? Is it even an invention? No. The concept of 'nothing' or 'one less than one' is so basic to counting things that any reasonably intelligent human (or even animal) has 'invented zero'. A monkey had two bananas and he ate them, now he knows he has no bananas. I'd argue the same applies to Algebra, which is just the realisation that there is a number that you do not know the value of yet, but which you can relate to other numbers. "I don't know how old my brother is, but I know he is 3 years older than me and I'm 8", there! A child has 'invented Algebra'.
No one claims any society invented music, painting, or even cooking, because they are basic consequences of needs in human society and are readily derived by anyone of reasonable intelligence.
>>344191
Thats obviously not what it means when they say they invented 0. You can't be a good mathematician if you dont know that.
>>344201
Enlighten me.
>>344201
humanities ignorance and smugness at work here
>>343685
well lots of things are invented independently, the important thing here is contribution; what was invented that was then transmitted and adopted and built upon to produce modern civilization.
>>344191
when it's said that Indians invented 0, it's not merely meant that they had a symbol signifying nothing.
the important bit is that it was integral to a place value counting system which was a big improvement on like roman numerals
>>344229
Think about it mXXC
>>343289
A loving tribute from a man to his favorite wife.
>>344284
Tell me then, as you seem well versed on the topic, who before brahmagupta used zero as a number?
>>344191
>>344191
> As a mathematician
I don't believe you.
You're simplifying the concept of zero way too much. It's actually a big deal.
Everyone knew that, yes, if you have two bananas and then eat both, you have nothing left. This is nothingness; it has nothing to do with the numerical concept of zero.
Zero is the additive identity for groups, for example. Without an additive/multiplicative identity, certain number systems can't be groups. There's a reason why (N, +) is not a group.
Zero also allows for one to perform algebraic operations almost effortlessly. Without zero, you literally could not justify any algebraic operation at all. The Muslims were able to see the value of zero; the original Al-Jabr treaty by al-Kawarizmi (sp) makes note of how crucial zero is.
1/0 is listed as "undefined", but since you're a "mathematician, " you'd know that lim x-> 0 1/x = inf. Why is that? Ever wondered?
Zero was/is a fucking breakthrough. Hell, you can't define certain spaces/subspaces if you can't show zero is contained in it.
>>344358
I could just as well go on a long rant about how the number 1 is a miracle. It's the multiplicative identity etc. But no one bothers to claim the invention of the number 1 as their own, because it would be ridiculous, for the exact same reason that the invention of 0 is ridiculous to claim. I just struggle to accept that such a fundamental and obvious concept can be given credit as an invention. Who invented breathing? Who invented singing?
>>344410
Because, like many things we take for granted today, it wasn't always so obvious m8. The whole reason we take it for granted now is because they defined the concept of 0 and through the centuries math has been built upon that concept.
>>344452
this
>>343289
The ganges is a single river flowing through the North East of the Indian subcontinent, the vast majority of Hindus don't live near it and can't dispose of their dead in it.
Tombs were a muslim thing.
Hindus cremate their dead, and there were some that ate their dead. This was thought of as abhorrent and savage by the Greeks, but these Hindus were otherwise vegetarian and other than being taboo was actually a completely logical and ethical position to eat a human that died incidentally instead of killing animals for food.
>>344191
Why the fuck didn't Roman numerals have zero then?
>>343206
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries
I'm actually surprised by this. I didn't know Pajeets contributed so much. Why is it such a shit hole now?
>>345001
Rapid overpopulation is a bitch.
>>344358
>1/0 is listed as "undefined", but since you're a "mathematician, " you'd know that lim x-> 0 1/x = inf. Why is that? Ever wondered?
Why is that?
>>345001
If you haven't guessed it by now, here's the answer.
The British. They dismantled Indian industry and made it into a labor country which they could exploit.
>>344010
Also they made a well functioning mars satellite that cost ~700 mill only ~70 mill which is pretty fucking impressive.
>>345043
Not only that, didn't they use homegrown technology for that too? Or maybe its some other event.
>>345080
They didn't gain independence till the 50s. One factor for slow growth is democratic government with multiple divisive view points. This slows down progress and creates overheads.
Compared that to Chinese state which is headed by 1 person and some oligarchy made up to support that 1 person. They have little overheads since any opposition is silenced and taken away.
The Chinese have more effective government policy but moral/ethics are last on the line. If you wanna compare China/India, it can be seen as an pragmatist(totalitarian)/idealist (democrat). But the Indian government's isn't doing too bad, they are still considered a successful democratic transition and their growth rate is climbing slowly which will in the coming decades pull millions out of poverty and such.
>>343518
This comment adds nothing to the board.
>inb4 neither does yours
Mine does by possibly cleaning up your stupidity from future threads.
>>345080
Indian here, nothing much to say, we were a colony and like most colonies we were kind of fucked up.
We've only had independence since the mid 20th century, which means we are quite young.
As a whole overpopulation is one problem and isolation is the other.
In social terms that is, the rural and urban poor just don't have that many opportunities, the current government seems to be taking a very liberal approach so all we can hope for is a good trickle down.
Tbh most Indians who are affluent enough to have Internet and access to 4chan have likely given up on their country, or at least will around their 30s.
This process is especially quick with the smart/hardworking ones who bounce abroad for jobs the first chance they get.
There are a tremendous amount of problems here and we can more or less give up on dreams of becoming a superpower, it makes me frown a bit when people bring up a patriotic spirit about our diversity and blah blah culture trying to praise a country with so much poverty.
It's sad really even in the richest cities in Mumbai you continuously see beggars on the road and you know there is no hope for them or their next 1-2 generations to live in remote comfort.
Were still better than Africa doe so there's that.
>>345109
I'm sure India was originally intended to be more socialist than it is now with the word in our constitution and the idea of five year plans as was followed in Russia and China.
We even had the license raj, an attempt at having a more planned economy which didn't work out well at all.
We prospered quite a lot from liberalising in the 1990s, opening up the economy and such.
Still, I think the next big event everyone has their eyes on is the possibility of federal rate hikes, with the focus our price minister is putting on encouraging manufacturing in our country it seems like foreign investors are a big cog in the wheel.
>>343289
Taj Mahal was designed and built by a Persian though.
>>345160
I can see why you would believe that.
The problem of rich/affluent moving abroad is a phenomena common to third world countries transitioning to second/first. People get educated/rich enough, they leave because other country is better.
Not an Indian, but I think the government is doing the right thing by investing more into the tech/space industry. If anything, they should invest more, the "cool" stuff that attracts people are the science. However you still need those fucking infrastructures like good roads, utilities that don't shit out, public housing, bathroom, parks. The government needs to plan out city/village development and enforce stricter rules regarding bathrooms and shit. If not for the meme, then for sanitation. Shitting on streets is a very very very huge problem for the country and should be discouraged in the news. Reduction in shitting streets will increase sanitation/reduce health problems/increase actual sight seeing (instead of shitting).
kek
On the zero thing:
The Egyptians had a zero technically. It wasn't a part of their counting system but when it came to administration they had a special hieroglyph to present "nothing".
Why? Because they had an economy based on a currency.
The concept of zero exist in some form or other in every civilization that uses some form of an currency.I think the Indians were first to see 0 as a number.
>>345199
and is overrated in every respect.
>>345210
Egyptian zero right here. It also means beautiful. But it wasn't used like
0,1,2,3,4,5. Egyptians had 1,2,3,4,5,6 but in matters of economy and distance they used pic related for 0
>>345210
Importance of the placement of 0 is not overstated. Many civilizations and people understand what "nothing" to a degree, but they haven't understood the true use of 0.
Bramagupta didn't just use 0 in calculations, he gave rules on how/when to use 0 and calculations regarding 0. India was the first to truly understand the concept of nothing and infinity series.
>>345216
for the time it was built, it's big, it's really intricate, it has cool architecture.
what else is necessary?
>>345276
eh, the deccan fortresses in India are pretty cool, especially the the one at golconda.
not as romantic, but pretty intricate and looks like something dorf kings would makes
Apu from the simpsons
>>345216
>overrated
Yeah whatever you want to say dude. I'm just pointing out that one of the most culturally significant and iconic landmarks in India was designed by a Persian architect.
Stay mad or whatever.
longest continuous civilisation, it's impressive that they still retain their heritage despite being constantly invaded
>>345001
caste system
their intelligentsia are not representative of their common denominator
>>345109
>>345160
Hmmm... I see. I was reading up about it and India in general. You guys seem to have done pretty well considering your markets only liberalized in 1991. You guys should clean up though. Both the poo and the rapes. Otherwise you guys seem to be pretty cool.
Meh. Guess you guys arnt that shitty.
>>345487
Same can be said for any country
The general population is pretty dumb.
>>345463
>culturally significant to the britbongs
>iconic for the same reason.
The cultural significance is dwarfed by the red fort, or even the Jama masjid.
just because a bunch of brits romanticized his waifu's tomb doesn't make it culturally significant.
>>345511
>bunch of brits
Keep flinging that shit, dude.
>>343894
pretty sure no one wants to drink poopwater, it is just an ordeal getting the peasants to walk to the other side of the city just to poo
the romans did a pretty good job though
>>343884
>thinking the study of history has spoilers
>>344027
>India had always been obsessed with math/numbers and logic. from early on.
Really? This makes me interested in India
>>345752
[spoiler]The British lose the Hundred Years' War[/spoiler
>>343206
of course, it was a major population center in the old world for millenia
the zero meme aside, various innovations came from india, carding and the spinning wheel for textiles, cementation steel and high temperature furnaces, a bunch of other math, chess, musical instruments and managing to defend against the mongols are all evidence of a sophisticated culture
in the modern day India was stagnant though producing many scientists until the end of the cold war but after economic liberalization has seen rapid economic growth, similar to China's just a fraction lower
>>345752
I know /his/ doesn't use spoilers. I was trying to make my statement seem like an unpopular fact.
>>344410
The invention of zero isn't about the number, it's about the numbering system, zero as a place-holder. If you remember old-school arithmetic there was the "one's place" and the "ten's place" and the "hundred's place" - basically there were orders of magnitude, and you could represent a whole lot of numbers with a whole lot less symbols this way, and you could find patterns in numbers and manipulate them in ways that were incredibly cumbersome with a system that only has a single "place."
>>345210
But again, "the invention of zero" is about using a numeral system that has orders of magnitude, and can represent those orders as "not in this number" with a symbol. It wasn't about the concept of nothing. Everyone understood 'no thing' but it was a paradigm shift to think a symbol meaning "nothing" should be put in a number that was counting SOMEthing.
>>345463
>one of the most culturally significant and iconic landmarks in India
Only to Europe.
India is largest democracy in the world in terms of population, so there's that. Yay freedomz.
>>343206
Indo-European languages
i like the Taj Mahal but I've always been interested in Hindu temples.
I like that the ancient pyramid-style has been maintained, and it's so colorful.
>>347607
>>347616
>>343219
Mesopotamia invented numbers, Indians invented shit streets
The numbers you are using now are ARABIC learn to history
>>347631
>learn to history
the irony
is this meant to be bait or are you just retarded?
>>347631
I see what you did there
>>347631
:^)
i remember seeing these intricate carvings
was cool, i'm surprised they're not so popular as mughal era architecture seeing as how it's much more ancient too
>>343206
Hindu culture (which is pretty much synonymous with India) is a proud, beautiful, and ancient culture.
>>347618
What's this?
>>347672
it's a hindu temple complex in a southern state Tamil Nadu
never seen it personally but after having visited some south indian temples i've always been interested in it
>>347657
because when people say mughal era architecture they mean the taj mahal.
that and its fairy tale story is easily digestible.
how is it that Hinduism became synonymous with hippies and peaceniks when its scripture is pretty much all wars and militarism
>>343206
Ironically the harappans were thought to have a plumbing system, so there's that.
these temples look like candy
>>346939
They originated somewhere in the Ukrainian steppe, not in India.
In the modern era, Bose is considered one of the fathers of Radio(though there are a shit ton of people who are), and the inventor of fiber optics is also Indian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narinder_Singh_Kapany
They've also done some interesting work in Physics, chemistry and computer science and started a number of cool companies: Bose Audio, Sandisk, etc.
>>345510
This is true, people like to spout the "Germanic master race" meme, but most of the people I've met in the US who are of Anglo/German ancestry are pretty average/dull, even though those peoples more or less created the modern world. Seems to be a different case with the Indian caste system though, the amount of achievements the Brahmins and Kshatriyas have relative to their numbers within each Indian ethnic group are pretty impressive.
Unlike the case with most western Europeans who have an average IQ of 100, or East Asians who have an average IQ of 105-107, India averages at around 82(though this could possibly be from poor nutrition), and then you have small clusters of people with Ashkenazi-like IQs. I think with proper nutrition average Indian IQ would be in the 90-range, which is true for most of Eastern Europe.
>rapid economic growth, similar to China's just a fraction lower
Chinas economy is several times the size of Indias and half their population doesn't live in abject poverty and squalor.
>>347934
The Gita is such a disconnect from the rest of the Mahabharata, many consider it a later insert. The Mahabharata is an incredible epic. It's basically taking a hard look at dharma and the rules of society applied to "real life." Over and over again the conflict of what to do according to this or that custom or sanction is brought up. How do you honor your word when it is hurting the kingdom to do so? How do you fight and kill family under the banner of "justice" and "duty?" How much harm do you accept to follow rules others keep breaking?
It shows all of the characters breaking their word, or going against dharma at some point (except for Yuddhisthir, I believe). Even in >>347915's pic, you see Krishna breaking his word that he wouldn't fight to protect Arjuna from Bhisma. The Gita has it come to a focus with Krishna instructing Arjuna that it isn't the action or the result that is really up to the person, it is their intent and awareness that matters. People split on whether this is Krishna the sage saying you should keep your awareness on a Supreme Energy, or Krishna the God saying you should keep your awareness on Him, the Supreme Person.
But still, ya - the Gita is absolutely about Krishna telling Arjuna, "No, serious dude, you gotta kill your family and everyone else, it'll be totally sweet, trust me."
>>343431
yes
>>349500
They make up roughly half of the Indian genetic component, Sanskrit(the original Indo-European language), is Indian.
>>349837
Pretty much this desu senpai baka. I just wrote a 15pg paper about how Krishna telling arjuna to kill his family is the philosophical equivalent of God telling Adam and Eve not to eat the apple. Feelings are feelings, desires are desires, they have no worth/significance. All we gotta worry about is our duty so that we become one with God/Brahman.
>>349828
It's probably Iodine deficiency. A lack of Iodine lowers IQ and it apparently isn't abundant in the soil of the subcontinent. I believe it is anywhere from 25 to 50% of Indians are low on Iodine.
>>343206
Indoor plumbing and public sanitation. Don't ask me wtf happened.
>>349837
Its a later creation for sure, during the Buddha's time, there was only 3 Vedas. If you read into the Gita, you can see the reason for this change. It was in many ways, a revitalization and also a rebuttal to the sramana views encroaching in the India.
>>343206
Math. Lots and lots of math.
>>343206
a severely complex mythological / spiritual tradition, which gave birth to myriad varieties of hinduism, buddhism, and jainism.
the concept of monism.
>>349828
It might be nutrition, but most equatorial climates average lower, even in China.
It might simply be that these parts of the world are more densely populated, developing, tend to be warm, humid, and support a wider variety of pathogen host species.
If the load from disease is too great during childhood or during pregnancy, it's possible that resources are diverted away from development of other body systems to combat illness and repair itself. Brains in particular are expensive in terms of energy and nutrition.
>>353171
Could be.
India had a society that was comparable to most other big Eurasian civilizations pre-industrial revolution. Even at the time the British started colonizing them, the technological gap between them was not large, India had gunpowder and manufactured rifles and high-quality steel, and even made artillery rockets which the British stole and ripped off for themselves. Other people in this thread have already listed their contributions to the world.
Aside from some isolated tribal groups the genetic distance between most Indians and Europeans/East Asians is very small.
I wouldn't say they are an inherently low IQ people at all.
Unfortunately the British fucked them over and they went from being "comparable to other major civilizations at the time" to being 20 years behind where most modern civilizations were in the 80s.
India has a pretty good (not perfect by any means though) multi lingual education system.
making education federal was a positive step.
>>343287
this.too bad the vedic barbarians who came later destroyed everything.
>>345510
But this is different.Unlike other cases where people tried to civilize what they thought as undersmenchs,Indian caste system segregated the priviledged and the lower castes.you won't believe the upper castes had to do a ritual when they come in contact with a lower caste.Marrying one was out of the question.It only increased more and more idiocy until their average IQ became 81.
>>354031
>le Aryan Invasion Theory face
>>343468
new fag stop trying to old fag
>>354031
t. subramanian ramaswamy
>>343884
What the fuck was happening in India before the Mughals?
Sri Lankans nd southern indians are apparently the smartest race
>>354096
It was a collection of Muslim and Hindu states. Everyone was busy making an empire in the region.
>>354146
>post idiotic shit
>get butthurt when called out
that anon is right, leave this board.
