Who else here /alt-history/?
>>1146975
80% of alt-history scenarios go like "Hurr what if my favorite country suddenly got super powers and fucked everybody in the ass"
>>1147536
Not true, they are just what if "Germany won the WWs".
How could this have happend?
>>1147583
Just make the >H>R>E win the Kettle War and there you have it.
>half the files you try to upload are too large
>>1147614
Why is one of the states called Wyoming?
Wyoming is named after some local tribe in that area
>>1147643
>Wyoming is named after some local tribe in that area
>The region had acquired the name Wyoming by 1865, when Representative James Mitchell Ashley of Ohio introduced a bill to Congress to provide a "temporary government for the territory of Wyoming". The territory was named after the Wyoming Valley in Pennsylvania, made famous by the 1809 poem Gertrude of Wyoming by Thomas Campbell, based on the Battle of Wyoming in the American Revolutionary War. The name ultimately derives from the Munsee word xwé:wamənk, meaning "at the big river flat."[12][13]
Looks like that area is around where the Munsee lived.
>giant Prussia blob
Always with this bullshit. In every alt history map this happens. Do these people not realize that western Slavs and g*rmans don't get along? Or is this just American germanboos being retarded?
is there a specific program used to make these maps? I'd love to take a shot at making some alt /his/ stuff, but I have no idea how to get started.
>>1146975
Make way for the best alt-history game mod.
>>1147740
>American germanboos being retarded?
Isn't it always?
>>1147946
>Assyria still under arab occupation
I'm secretely a fan of Bruce Munro's shit and it makes me wish to known more about Africa and India to match his map. I always get the creeping suspicion that the boundaries of the African microstates that he often draws are just made up because he doesn't want space-filling empires there.
>>1146975
Me.
Out of curiosity, is there any way Japan could've become Islamic instead of Shinto/Buddhist? I've seen some timelines where Japan became Christian but never Islamic. It's a stretch but maybe not ASB-tier, plus it could just be the Ainu or something.
>>1147306
How would that alter the global climate, especially Arabia and the middle east?
>>1147694
>Italy draining the Mediterranean
What if the Finnish Empire managed to complete Operation Tavallinen and stop the Hwan Empire from firing the Giza Mass Autism Array?
>>1148958
I don't think there was ever much direct contact between the middle east and Japan. The timelines where Japan is christian is due to portuguese and spanish influence during the age of colonization.
To make Japan muslim you would need some crazy over the top shit like a muslim chinese or south east asian (they both exist) conquering the place and somehow making the state religion.
>>1147694
The draining of the mediterranean never stops looking dumb
>>1147536
Sometimes it works though, depending on the author.
>>1147946
>>1148986
>>1148979
Yeah, either that or some crazy person goes to some part of Japan, sees all the un-islamic barbarians and takes it upon himself to convert them. Add in a few lucky coincidences and it could happen within a couple generations, even altering the writing system.
A muslim China/ east asian caliphate would be interesting too, maybe resulting in an Islamic Korea as well? Or it could cause Japan to become a fragmented mess of some Muslim, some Shinto/Buddhist provinces, and some christian areas to the south preventing it from ever truly uniting.
Are there any hyper-religious maps, where nation-states are subsumed into ethnic and spiritual collectives?
>>1148009
what the fuck happened here?
How does this make you feel?
>>1149006
But the man in question should be a very extraordinary man. Islam never had anything similar to the Society of Jesus who were master proselytizers. Islam expanded either by sword or by trade.
>>1149033
Yeah but if anything can produce eccentrics religious fervor does it best.. Could be a group of people too,establishing trade routes Via the silk road but with people traveling to Japan itself as traders? Hell if parts of Russia/Korea went Muslim then they could travel to Hokkaido.
>>1149048
Routes don't exist just because. The silk road is older than history.
To go from any potential muslim country to Japan, you need to go through China, the main source of culture for the japanese historically. In fact I mantain than any muslim influence into Japan should come from China and maybe Korea like Budhism did.
There's muslims in china, so we just need to explain why (not how, since that's easy) islam should spread to Korea/Japan and become the majority religion. Remember islam doesn't have the power of syncretism of budhism, not even on it's less orthodox forms like sufism.
>>1149075
Yeah shoulda clarified that. For a wholly Islamic Japan it would need to come from China specifically. Would it be possible for most of China to convert to Islam, then Japan, but not Korea?
What if it goes further back so that the borders of Mongolia are shifted further to the east, so Muslim steppe people have a greater chance of influencing Korea/Japan as well as China? sorry, my info on this region isn't the clearest.
>>1149090
I seriously doubt that it's possible for the majority of China to become muslim or any abrahamic religion. It didn't even work with the kind of budhismthat best fitted them. It just goes against the concept of imperial china to have something ideologically stronger than the chinese sentiment itself.
That said, a major muslim influence is by no means impossible although I don't feel imaginative now on how I would justify it. Maybe you could have more chinese merchants adopting islam like in east africa, but I don't really know to be honest. Maybe if the merchant elites of Korea and Japan started to adopt islam you could have something to work around.
>>1149106
I should also mention that the divinity of the emperor is even more of a red flag in islam than in christianity. That's gonna cause serious problems.
>>1149106
Yeah I suspect that to get China itself to accept Islam you'd have to fragment it a lot more, altering its history further back than the start of Islam. Chinese merchants or Mongolians would be a likelier bet.
>>1147022
Intrigued by the filename desu
>>1149031
>Balkan
>Alliance
No
>confederates
>ever winning against based industrial north
stay salty
>>1149114
Your other bet is the following: Kublai Khan (or a substitute for your reality) adopts islam > Khan is succesful in conquering Japan > after the dissolution of the empire a local mongol muslim dynasty rules Japan > somehow the whole thing manages to survive and flourish.
But my knowledge in mongol historyis not enough to grant you help for the details. Also the result would probably be something completely different to modern Japan (even more than if it's through chinese trade), don't expect muslim samurais or something if you choose this path.
>>1149136
Thanks anon. It really is a fascinating subject, this is the reason I got into alt-history to begin with.
>>1149188
I also thing that what makes alt-history good is the immense amount of details and small things you can learn when you ask yourself "what if...".
Sometimes I end up not even building the parallel world, and just get lost into a sea of information, but it's worth it.
Alt history right here: Charles the Bold never dies, so the Duchy of Burgundy isn't so easily crushed and there remains an influential buffer between Germany and France as well as the Habsburgs never gaining as strong a footing over Europe as they did.
>>1147946
>Foundation: 1917
>not 1958
We were so close to something beautiful.
>>1149269
How badly was it fucked up?
>>1149232
Yeah alternate history clusterfucks are fun. I hate when it's just blobs of countries with no explanation.
>>1146975
heres a map of my very very work in progress alt-his project, map is only accurate for europe
>>1149397
Got a link to anything explaining it?
Also, while I've seen pictures of green Sahara in this thread, what about green Australia? I've heard with intense forestation/sea level rise it would actually become greener most of the way through, even quicker than Africa.
>>1149338
the average arab level of fucked up
the year 1867
>>1149432
>entire coast of SA one country
wat
Fresh OC
>>1149523
care to explain?
>>1149532
Pretty straightforward, a what-if about the Rovman Empire conquering the world. Plenty of blobbers just paintbucket the world and call it a day, but no one ever shows the internal boundaries and administration.
>>1149133
If Lincoln died or something they could've just said fuck it to the war after a while and let them be.
Of course the south would quickly turn into a Colombia-tier shithole and the resulting riots would tear it apart and eventually the whole US.
>>1148966
Arabia and the Levant becomes partially grassland.
Iran is too far away to be really affected by this unfortunately.
Oh, and the Amazon shrinks as less Saharan dust comes across to feed it.
>>1149338
Typical Syrian bullshit killed Panarabism and set the Middle East up for forty years of civil war and sectarian conflict.
>>1148941
>Bruce Munro
You don't have to be a fan of his in secrecy. I feel you.
>>1149397
Wow, someone put a lot of work into this one.
As >>1149410 said, an explanation would be great.
>>1149969
what kind of challenge is that? just post the
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>>1149969
Ah, one of those. The mapgames are always fun.
I lurk on the forums every once in a while (looking for nice maps, looking for inspiration,...) but I never followed the map games.
Anyway, there's been a bit of falling out between the forumgoers and a group around Krall seems to have gone to a totally new forum; the link is http://althistoria.proboards.com/, if you (or anyone else) is interested.
Post some patrish alternate history
No time travel or aliens allowed.
Bumping with another map.
>>1149397
It may be set in a completely different period, but the map you posted reminded me of this one.
>>1147694
>Drained
>Mediterranean
>Farmland
>>1147583
stop
>>1149075
>islam doesn't have the power of syncretism
It did in Indonesia
>>1151364
The Man in the High Castle is a pretty shit example of an alternate history, but some good things came out of it. Like this map.
>>1151364
I don't get it either, I know silt is good for growing, but would'nt all of it be really salty?
>>1151827
Yes, it would.
this one would make me so happy desu
turks are terrible people
>>1152416
>>1152416
>Constantinople and Orthodox lands under control of the pope
>>1152416
>Constantinople and Orthodox lands under control of the pope
Can someone post a few templates? I'm particularly interested in Europe. Ones that you can just fill in the separate regions.
>>1152416
Constantinople should be an independent country 2bh.
You guys, I just got this crazy idea. What if the Holy Roman Empire actually holy, Roman, and an empire? What would have happened then?
>>1152641
The Latin Empire will rise again!
>>1149969
We should have one of those.
Was there a winner?
>>1153018
>>1150014
>Krall
Who's that?
>>1153032
He posted on the original forum a lot, made maps and led the Maps of the Fortnight competition. He was also the author of probably the best post on the forum ever, where he ranted about some newfag's shit map (it included channels(!) over the Atlantic Ocean(!!!), for God's sake). Krall founded the new forum, AltHistoria, after an argument with Ian, the owner of the Alternate History Forum, if I understand correctly.
Sort of related
>>1147583
It burns!
someone should post a template with all the stuff
>>1153547
>>1153113
Delaware looks like a fucking insect
>>1153553
Thanks, anon.
>>1147583
>free jan mayen
>iceland splits into 4 independent contries and a greenland colony
>funky irish partition
>papal state
>a fucking seahorse
>balkanized gibraltar
>based assad
>all those khanates and hordes
>polish order isn't even in poland
Please make a world map like this, or at least other continents.
>>1152882
>there will never be a Free Constantinople State à la D'Annunzio's Fiume
Working on one, will post.
Rate and ask me anything.
>>1153826
Gotchu covered familia.
>>1147583
Autism: The post
>>1153113
>KleinFlorida
REEE
>>1153113
Is there a proper balkanized map of the US? Because if some shit where it all collapses I'm quiet sure they won't have these friendly straight lines.
>>1153113
>"Manhattan" North of Westchester
And why would I want them?
>>1154367
Honestly, it probably would there's nothing on those straight lines.
>>1147694
>>1151519
Pretty sure pic related is the actual map.
Let me explain the Geography
Europe
>After the sacking of Rome, Europe fell apart.
>After 200 years of monarchy, it banned together to make The European Federation. Way ahead of its time.
>A few states didn't cooperate. For example, the first Riech was forming around now, the grey bits. The year is 1700.
>Russia made some land claims and didn't let go. They let the federation have everything except the yellow bits and didn't let go. The rest of Russia was wasteland Siberia.
>mah independent france states
>Yellow is independent spain-portugual
>Green is Spanish islamic state
>White is Constantinople-Byzantium
>Light Red is Turkish empire
Africa + Middle East
>The sage bit is the African + Middle Eastern Islamic Confederation.
>The pink bit is Makkah or Mecca.
>Beige is the Egyptian empire.
>White is the Carthage city state.
>Other white is Morocco, the Grey is Libya.
>The brown is a border from the Islamic Confed between indigenous African states.
>South Africa is obvious. Other African nations everywhere.
>"anon, what are the blue bits everywhere?"
>hold on, I'm getting there.
cont.
>>1154439
No it isn't. In the book, Canada is free and neutral, Africa was genocided into an empty continent by the Germans, and Italy embarked on their retarded draining scheme with German help.
That pic is more realistic, but was just made by some wheraboo or another.
>>1154446
Asia:
>Green bit down below? That's the Indian empire. It's one of the global superpowers.
>The light blue is the Mongolian empire.
>As you can see, China is fucked up as usual
>Manchuria in orange
>A bunch of tiny states
>Large blue land mass of China
>Red expanse is japanese empire.
>It expands to Alaska, the new world, Indonesia, a few bits of china, and Australia.
>They lost against Korea once, so they don't go there
>notice united Korea.
>Infighting has caused land grabs and losses for Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam.
>okay anon, Every place where there's that really dark blue tinge indicates a place where the European federation has colonialism or major influence
"Americas"
>inb4 not called america because reasons
>Light blue indicates native communes.
>Orange is the Aztek empire.
>Green is mayan.
>Brown is Inca.
>Light blue is Artbetz empire, a fictitious empire.
>Orange indicates Spainish claimed territories.
>Darker red indicates mesoamerican territories.
>Light greens indicate two non-imperialistic native communes.
>Note: Greenland and northern Winnipeg are NOT owned by japan, but are uninhabited.
Antarctica
>literally nothing
>There's nothing here. Nobody cares.
>>1154446
Almost forgot. In Europe, there's Norway, Sweden and Finland respectively.
Greece's entity is the Peloponnese state.
Madagascar, is... Madagascar.
>>1154266
Here's his rant:
http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/map-thread-v.108682/page-459#post-2718084
And this was the map it was responding to: http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/map-thread-v.108682/page-458#post-2717521
I remember there being a rant for another map (http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/map-thread-viii.200605/page-12#post-4701017) but I can't seem to find it. And I remembered wrong; it was a river, not a canal.
>>1154446
>converted Europa Universalis
You could at least clean up the borders.
>>1154439
The things that give away that it isn't are a lack of the American buffer state in the Rockies, as well as the Mediterranean looking normal.
>you will never live in this world
>>1155368
Thank God tbqh
>ugly Hungary
>Prague is the capital of Sudetenland
>Adrialand
>tiny Switzerland
>>1149458
It's Bolivia
>>1147583
Anon looking at this makes me literally feel queasy
The maps I'll dump now aren't the typical alternate history, but they look nice and they've got quite a lot of info on them.
>>1156053
perfect world
this thread is so fucking bad
alt-history is the worst autism
please try thinking about something else
instead of fantasizing about this shit
its masturbation for manchildren
>>1156128
Cry some more, please.
>>1147583
>soviet irish kingdom
>Soviet
>kingdom
Post some base maps for us to paint pls
>>1154439
how did they do it tho, it wasnt that germany actualy won, they somehow overlaped different realities and fooled everyones brains into just going along with nazis winning ww2, because of some explanation like -they got the bomb first-
>>1156740
I'll dump a few things that may help.
>>1156764
Maybe you prefer a bigger map.
>>1156778
This one includes a colour scheme, although the map is pretty outdated.
>>1156779
This is one of the newest maps I have.
>>1156781
And now for a few colour schemes that may be useful.
>>1156790
I like this one, but it's not complete.
1/2
>>1156800
2/2
>>1156802
And here's one that I found a few days ago. It's only for Europe, though.
>>1148009
my brain hurts
gonna dump some stuff
1. simple blank
2. detailed blank
3. roman republic
roman empire
1444
(if anyone wants any of these maps with the borders painted in black tell me)
victoria 2 starting date, don't remember which year
current day
present day + borders + capitals
>>1156938
At first glance, Serbia and Germany have a capital in the wrong province.
Anyway, here's an interesting base map of our solar system.
>>1156986
Here's a version with no annotations.
>>1156931
1836.
I remember that year well.
And here's a base map of the Star Wars galaxy. The background is Milky Way.
>>1156925
1356, province borders not outlined sadly
>>1157577
care to explain this mess?
>>1158406
It's a historical map of the world in 1356, not alt history. There is no explanation, that's just what it looked like back then.
If you're wondering why it's such a mess, most of the little splotches here and there are dynastic fiefdoms and vassals of something or other. For example most of the shit around France was actually dependent on France proper. The dark gold near Castille was the personal lands of the house of Trastámara, who eventually revolted and became the new ruling dynasty after the War of the Two Peters. And of course east of all that is the >HRE, the emperor of all messes. And of course the balkans are a mess too, as is tradition.
In the east, China was fragmented by the Red Turban Rebellion, which ended in the destruction of the Yuan dynasty and the establishment of the Ming dynasty.
Here's an interesting pair of maps.
1/2
>>1160789
For those that don't get it: the first one is how America shows the world to the citizens and this one is how it actually looks like. The point of divergence is the Cuban crisis.
2/2
One I made years ago
>>1160823
Looks pretty nice. I never finish any maps I start tbqh.
>>1160862
I honestly don't remember the point of divergence. All I remember is the US had a socialist coup, they were larger due to saber rattling/war but are starting to fall into two factions (the old south vs the rest more or less). Fashoda went hot for a few years and England now has all the land they need (whether directly or indirectly) to have a singapore to capetown railroad.
After that, little else like the fuck is going on in Boliva, Austria, or central India.
>>1157577
>Presumable Geats from Göteborg up to the modern finnish border
>Presumable Swedes in control of everything from Lund to St. Petersburg
>GrossDenmark
fun thing is this happened
>>1157577
>Livonia all nice and uniform
>this is what it looked like back then
I'm sure it did. It's not like you were trying to apply contemporary notion to a 'messy' world of several centuries ago.
>>1160891
Didn't he lose Pommern before going to Estland? Also, implying Danish Ösel in the 13th century.
>>1154948
I loved the Iron Dream timeline with no Hitler when Europe got wrecked so hard by the USSR that the USA and Imperial Japan make another Axis to stop them.
Carthage never gets annexed, Rome never falls, Constantinople never gets overrun, Carthage buffers against arabization and islamic activity west of Egypt. Sweden grows large, with the power of Novgorod and thus Russia diminished for a long time due to Hanseatic monopoly on trade. Finnish and Estonian as languages are quickly dissapearing due to forced assimilation. Hanseatic League becomes an independent nation and rapidly gains influence, unifying Germany untill the union fragments with the reformation, balkanizing southern germany untill its eventual unification. Then, Prussia gains enough power to strong-arm their own independence and triple in size against loosely unified white russian states. Kurdistan is given independence when the arab republic forms, against the will of Byzantium/Eastern Rome. Carthage/Southern Rome is weakening quickly with Spanish imperialism to the west, islamic conquest to the east, and shaky relations with Rome itself.
>>1161120
forgot map kek
>>1161120
>>1161124
A surviving Carthage would make for a completely different Europe. Without the victory over Carthage, Rome would probably not expand nearly as much as it did, meaning there would be no Constantinople. Those countries (and many of the borders) are too close to original timeline countries.
>>1161233
Sorry, meant to write "burned" instead of annexed. More proper, Carthage would be annexed rather than razed with the grounds salted.
>>1161250
Okay, I was wondering where there was a Southern Rome if Carthage was supposed to survive. It's pretty hard to theorise what europe would look like with a point of divergence so far back. I suppose a surviving city of Carthage (which was in OTL rebuilt by Julius Caesar about two centuries later) would mean a huge advantage for the Romans. Still, does that mean Rome expands but later breaks into three as well as loses large parts of its land to foreign invaders (who end up exactly where they did in OTL)? Also, why is a large part of Europe a wasteland?
>>1161279
Yes. It breaks into three rather than two when the statesmanship become too strenous and the amount of bureocracy became counterproductive in repelling various kinds of hordes, and of course the original reason as well. So they split into two. Each one more or less survived different barbarian invasions, although the original Rome was weakened more than the rest, and when Carthage wanted to secede, there wasn't anything Rome could do about it except accept it.
The white part is me not having any idea at all on the politics or history of slav lands, so instead that's a loosely unified bundle of states (think HRE) that barely co-operate.
>>1161321
.. Or well.. First they split into two, then the original Rome splits into two again, creating Carthage.
I have no idea how this impossible world can come to be.
>>1161432
>Black sea and Caspian sea are Russian territories
>Turkey and Iran are empty voids
what.jpeg
>>1163434
>>1161527
>>1161432
>3 Gross Germanium in a row
>>1163683
Sup, Kamerad
>>1163683
Hell, I bet I could dig up more from my folder.
>>1163683
>>1146975
/his/ multiplayer ck2/eu4/victoria2 game when?
>>1163683
A lot of mapmakers love Germany. Truly, it's either a mega Germany or no Germany at all.
>>1163683
I get you, though. The cliches get boring fast.
>>1164212
>>1164192
>>1164162
>>1164153
>>1163736
ENOUGH!
>>1164281
Hast du ein Problem?
>>1149432
Norway NO!
Don't have a map but:
>Iraqi Baath Party and Syrian Baath Party reconcile their differences before 1979
>Iraqi and Syrian branches of the PLO reunite
>Iraq, reconciled with Syria, does not go to war with the new Islamic Republic of Iran
>With support from Iraq, Syria, and Iran, the PLO manages to stay in Lebanon
>No Hamas, no Iraq War, no Al Qaeda, no ISIS
>>1164322
>No Hamas, no Iraq War, no Al Qaeda, no ISIS
Most of that shit would have been solved if the brits wouldnt have installed the house of saud and let israel happen.
Then persia would rule the near seaster bloc and the shias are better suited for that due to not being wahhabitarded.
>>1146983
>POD: 4.6 billion BC
what
>>1149410
>green Australia
sounds neat.
Here's one I saved yesterday.
Here's one
>>1161432
>New
>German
>Empire
kek.
>France got btfo by Americans and Germans
>Indochina dominated by Russia's influence.
>China being small and free Tibet
>That Pax America
>Turkey and Iran no longer exist.
What a world. 7/10 can live in it.
>>1149432
d-does wales own all of the coastal regions of south america?
why?
More like autism-history
feat. prussia-boos, byzi-boos, roma-boos, tea-boos etc.
>>1166212
I'm more of an aesthetic-boo tbqh.
Gotta love these threads and how 99% of maps posted here have no historical basis whatsoever
>>1166376
this
>>1149962
ilike those fantasy alt-history maps where i can find more ?
>>1166460
Alternate History Forum and AltHistoria.
This isn't near finished yet, it's just been taking longer than I like. It's a map of what would have happened if Henry V did not die so early and was therefore able to outlive Charles VI and inherit France instead of himself, meaning that England really won the HYW.
Another divergence is that Charles the Bold wasn't killed and though the Habsburgs were allied with the Spanish Royal Family they never inherited shit because you didn't have the unfortunate deaths there either.
Also the bits of Spain in Albania represent various attempts on the part of the Spanish to try and cuck both Venice and the Turks.
>>1166764
And I forgot the fucking pic
>>1166766
Interesting. I've never seen anyone draw subdivision borders in the national colour like that - looks quite good, I must say.
Anyway, here's a WIP of mine that I've put away for a bit. It's really more of an experiment on tiny little statelets.
The backstory: Axis victory (I know, cliche) that turns into a cold war between fascists and turns nuclear. The gray countries are fascist controlled, the white ones are neutral, the ones with colours are the strongerst powers and the ones in lighter colours are in their sphere.
What if the Jews didn't rule the world?
>>1168260
The world wouldn't function because Jews are crafty people :^)
>>1166802
Yeah, I liked the look of the borders and more than I like shaping how a nation might look geopolitically I'm also enthused with internal politics. In fact I have a project I'm working on for a Carolingian Revival Kingdom's network of governors after a long civil war and plague that killed a lot of the traditional aristocratic class.
>>1154945
>Now, I tend to prefer Japan to the USA ( for two main reasons; monarchy and women)
He's a fucking meme
>>1154945
> converted Europa Universalis
Is this even allowed?
>>1169464
Holy fuck I literally vomited what the fuck is this.
>>1169180
Here's the Carolingian Revival WIP
>>1169483
> what the fuck is this
I like to play CK2 into EU4 into VIC2 and save all end game results. This particular one wasn't that bad, compared to most average end game maps.
>>1148986
Uhh
Sauce?
>>1169454
Slit-eyes are preferable to whales tbqhwyf.
>>1149405
It's not even accurate there.
>>1160789
>Hate the reds plenty, but seem to dislike us too
>For some reason
kek
>>1151519
>>1154439
>germans killing off africans
Someone tell the author to kill him/herself for me thanks
>>1147781
If the Central Powers were victorious, how was Serbia able to keep its autonomy?
Something I've been working on.
>Hitler and Stalin die early, successors are too busy purging rivals to start Great Patriotic War
>Western Allies chew up Japan at great cost
>Germany offers peace in return for neutralisation of Western Europe
>Three-way Cold War ensues
>>1146983
That Portugal makes my dick hard
>>1164461
I mostly agree with you, but I think the hegemony in the area would be contested between the turks and the persians, and the turks would probably have more influence.
Still better than what we have now.
>>1173955
It happened the last time somebody gave them shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
>>1146975
Yeah.
>>1174227
Puppet of Austria, which is in turn a puppet of Germany.
>>1147946
>Founded 1917
>Not a Hedjaz led supermonarchy
>>1174227
Austria has to pull troops out of Serbia to settle ethnic tensions elsewhere after a disastrous Ausgleich negotiation in 1926 which nearly ended in civil war.
So they set up a puppet government of collaborators and get out of there
So what are some going alt-his fiction?
I've been thinking of getting this, but the reviews are ho-hum.
>>1173955
Yeah, you're right. They'd probably just sterilise them and use them as slave labour.
>>1147583
>(in a personal union with the Perm republic)
>>1169525
>albigesian heretics
>off all the possible things
they literaly wouldnt hurt a living fly, wouldnt kill an ant, by doctrine and dogma
its not like there werent other heretics that burned priests alive in their churches, whyd you have to choose the hare krsna ones
>the sort of thing that ruins alt/his
>>1175512
It was just a place holder for Heretics that were active in France in the time period, I'll be sure to do a bit more research on heresies to find something more suitable.
Are there any other issues you can find so far? I'm interested in hearing any criticisms
>>1164812
I guess that's how far back you have to go to prevent America from existing.
>>1174982
>I've been thinking of getting this, but the reviews are ho-hum.
Applies to nearly every single thing in the genre. It's like the horror genre in film, even the great movies in it get horrible reviews just because of their genre, and the only exceptions like Alien crossover into other genres.
The world according to japan.
>>1151344
>2068
>Manchuria existing
That's too far-fetched even for alt-his.
1926, only a year after the first world war.
The brits lost no pressure in becoming the dominant force in every respect. What rhey didnt realize is that the collective efforts of the Empire of the United States of America along eith the Russian Empire and Communist France where collectivly done with Britains shit. This central alliance against republican Germany and GB lasted 10 years. America alone lost well over a million lives and their entire navy and was unsurprosngly the first to leavs the war, after completely destroying britain so that the remainin powers picked them clean as well as all their puppets.
Britain then fell to fascism unable to defend itself against the blackshirt tide.
I love victoria 2
Ireland is a fucking great power because of that war
>>1177916
Explain American Canton to me.
>>1177925
Roleplay wise I saw china fall to chaos and wanted to cut off land routes for both portugal and britains treaty ports to the rest of asia. That and for my world war plan i needed more bodies and made them states right off the bat. So america now has 53 states. Soon to be more in africa.
Historically speaking America got these once again during the warlord period when she was just becoming a huge deal. And like america she didnt want a tiny treaty port. So she wrecked and took thay whole part of china to basicallt say to the european powers that she is the new big dog.
>all these retarded russiaboos
Literally worse the prussiapros
>>1147583
dirty genoian scum
Is all the alt-history shit limited to fucking maps?
>>1181247
4chan is a shitty medium to post 200-page novels or timelines.
That said, a forum is not a very good medium either, I wish they used wikis more.
>>1166507
>Florida gone
How?
>>1166018
What
I envy those who can draw up maps like these in ms paint.
>>1182025
The sea rose quite a lot and Florida isn't very high.
>>1182034
I hear you.
